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_DT3

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_DT3 2017-10-27T21:53:53+00:00

Replies for A r M i N (and missed ones by Plaudible)

Yoges wrote:
[A r M i N]
00:00:482 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm curios, why this rhythm? Are you trying to put emphasis on the pitch changes in the snares? If you are then could you maybe not have a slider for the (3) or do something a bit more different for (4,5) cause the pitches pair the later 2 while the first is on it's own. Do agree here, gonna change the patterning a bit
00:32:739 (1) - Need more emphasis through angles for this slider cause of the vocal like you have for 00:34:840 (5,1) - . Movement between from the (4) before it into itself is too smooth. It does sound weaker than the other one tbh, so I think that this pattern works just fine too
00:38:666 (2,4) - These don't exist. And rhythm wise the transition from the stream into the 1/1 notes is more natural with 1/2 notes at the end if you delete these. I think it helps emphasize the (1) more personally
01:16:700 (5,6,7) - Why do you think that's appropriate here? What is there to express by breaking the movement from before with co-linear jumps? Only thing I can think of is vocals but if it is that then I think replacing the (5,6) with a slider would be more appropriate. Breaking movement with linear jumps is more appropriate when there's a sound on EACH object the vocals only land on the (5) and possibly the (6) if you want to map the guitar passively and express the vocals "hold" feel. Kinda agree here but I think that this pattern works better: A slider would ruin motion here quite a bit, even if emphasis here is fitting (although emphasis with the slider would be wrong to me imo), I can't think of a pattern that would exactly fit the condidtions

[Plaudible]
00:25:688 (1,2,3,4) - Those could be spaced more to reflect the build up. Bit underwhelming atm. Structure is more important here imo
00:07:383 (5,1) - Maybe stack the (1) on the 5 instead? I get the movement but it's just the slider's more suited to accepting clockwise motion into it as opposed to anti-clockwise movement. Stacking just eliminates that and makes it snappy. Meh, might have some truth to it, would be inconsistent with how other similar patterns are emphasized and stacking for those is not fitting imo

MaridiuS wrote:
[a r m i n]
00:01:213 (3,4) - Don't really like these being soft, they're clear drum hits and should also be drums or normal idk Tested it beforehand tbh but didn't blend in well with the other hitsounds
00:01:506 (1) - this looks like it is unsnapped in the new timing line, I believe this to be unrankable. Fixed
00:06:333 - seems like you have two inhereting points here Oops, fixed
00:06:333 (2) - I suggest giving this one more emphasis, it is really impactful compared to other cymbal/guitar sounds. Fixed
00:10:534 (3) - suggest in making this a triple, its a drum roll afteroll xd Yeah, done xd
00:19:536 (1,3,4) - a bit confused as to why are you switching from drum (questionable following) to 00:22:087 (1,3) - vocals here Not sure either but gonna leave it because I can't find another suggestion
00:26:288 (1,1) - pattern seems perfectly fine without these being NCed. Agree
00:32:664 - could use this note, its a snare or something. Don't hear anything there o.o
00:34:540 (4,5,1) - small suggestion, but giving them big spacing would be dope, since the snares are different than the rest, and it sounds louder with the guitar backing it up strongly. I'd give special notice to this. Yep, increased spacing for (5)
00:35:890 (4,5) - you could make this into 4 circles since every note is either a kick or a snare, and would prepare the players for the jumps to come. Feels a bit weird with the rather calm vocals imo, gonna leave this
00:38:666 (2,4) - these seem to be overmapped, therefore I suggest to make the notes on white/red ticks into kickslider to follow the nature of 1/4, without feeling like overmap. As above
00:47:293 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - little confused to why is the intesity dropping here in the map, its lower than when it started. It feels fine when the density in rhythm gets increased, it feels harder to play but I can increase the pattern as a whole (increased to 5.85 lmao)
00:53:144 (1) - strong guitar cymbal kick gets less spacing, and simply flow than random 00:52:994 (5) - snare, I don't suggest that.
00:54:045 (4) - not sure what is this following when the vocal hit is here 00:53:895 (3) - Looks like vocal pitch is being followed here too I think, can be fixed in the future though
00:57:045 (2) - earbleed vocals given 0 emphasis :V I think I fixed it
00:58:396 (2) - also no need to make this 1/1 when it doesn't follow vocals, + it ends on a rather strong beat that could be made to use to emphasize the last jumps before the section ends. I think he wanted to emphasized the vocals more like that, it pauses before the spaced hitcircles here 00:58:846 (3,4) -
00:58:621 - what is this inheriting point doing here Copied over from hitsounds, removed tho xd
01:03:947 (1) - earbleed vocals again 0 emphasis ;v Same as above
01:05:147 (1) - in order to keep the cymbal guitar hits the most emphasized, you could give this an red anchor not make it go off screen with given bigger spacing. Yep, should be fixed
01:06:498 (1) - impactful head and sliderend, I recommend to make it into 2 circles, otherwise I don't really understand why is it a slider, when you usually follow vocals with sliders like here 01:06:798 (2) - Gonna leave for now because I'm unsure whether Armin would want to fix this, gonna be fixed ofc if mentioned again
01:07:023 - 01:05:823 - random inheriting points, there are even more stray green lines, revisit and delete. I'll delete all you point out, but tbh it's not necessary
01:16:850 (6) - instead of giving this low spacing (since it has a kick on it, I suggest not to) I suggest giving this one instead 01:16:550 (4) - since its just a hithat, the only exception in the jump pattern of not being a kick or snare. As in Yoges' mod

Yasaija 714 wrote:
m4m

Plaudible's Insane
00:07:533 (1,1) - stack miss? Won't be recognizable anyways, I think it's fine
A r M i N's Extra
00:15:185 (1,2,3,4,1) - The shape looks strange
00:14:885 (1,2,3,4,1) - It is better to clean it like this Cleaned
01:08:748 (2,2) - How about stack? Gonna leave for now, unnecessary
01:09:048 (2,2) - like this
01:18:801 (5) - Add NC? Yep
Good luck!

Sinnoh wrote:
i hate lisa

General
Check AI mod Fixed
something is telling me 199.95 bpm can't be right, can you check with someone who times stuff well Believe it or not everything lower sounds too late and 200 already sounds too early later on lmao
00:28:088 (1) - timing is off here Agree, I have a timing I think could work, gotta ask for opinions tho

Collab Normal
01:27:503 (6,7) - yeah don't do that on normal, just delete 01:27:803 (7) - Replaced with a repeat slider
seems fine

Another
00:17:135 (1) - This is 1/6 It actually is snapped the following way: Head lands on the red tick, repeat lands on the last purple tick and end on the white tick (that's how it is for me at least). Playing that would feel weird so I simplified in a comprehensible way, Lasse did too. I can however make it consistent with Lasse's diff
00:27:488 (3,4,1) - Clean this up so it's straight Wanted to represent the 1/1 with a similar pattern as 00:05:132 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Starting around 20 seconds, the left side is almost totally ignore. You could put a couple objects on that side to use the playfield a bit more Heh yeah, was like that in a previous map of mine, I guess I do tend to place stuff on one side. However, I wouldn't want to ruin patterning with that so I'll leave it
00:55:395 (4,1) - Distance is really small here, compare to 01:02:597 (4,1) - & 00:57:796 (4,1) - It is the weakest one tbf, the stack on the tail is enough imo
For 1/1 sliders used in the kiai, six in a row are all vertical. If you could make one horizontal that would add some variety Again, I kinda do agree but the patterning takes priority for me since it is a big part of the map, as stuff is fine without moving it around, I'll leave these things

Set looks fine, but I'm not a fan of Evanescent's diff. There's a lot of questionable parts that ignore large downbeats or important sounds and prioritise sounds that don't exist. Call me back once that's been fixed

Thanks everyone for modding! Did some self-fixes too and will update everyone's diffs! Waiting on a response from Evanescent- and Kibbleru
Edit: Updated everyone's diffs and replied for Astarte since he's busy in the previous mods! Still waiting on Evanescent- ...

Last edited by _DT3 2017-10-29T15:21:09+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-10-27T22:51:08+00:00

fix all from sinno

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_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-10-29T14:00:05+00:00

Ok since stuff got cluttered, I want to make an extra post for the updates:

-Updated everyone's diffs
-Replied for Astarte, Armin and Plaudible's missing mods
-Deleted Evanescent's diff after asking him what he would want to do with the diff
-Did some self-modding and fixes on Another and A r M i N's Extra
-Changed HP Drain and OD a bit to match the spread
-Other fixes on placement and rhythm
-Added a timing diff, gotta get confirmation for it
-Also deleted soft-hitwhistle11, dunno what it was doing there

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-10-31T14:54:43+00:00

Bubbled!

We deleted some unused hitsounds, fixed timing points, changed bg to jay peg, and removed a 1/12 snap

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-11-19T07:51:05+00:00

Can I get the metadata

Kibb
00:37:090 (3,2) - might as well stack them
01:17:600 (2,3,4,5) - rhythm is a bit weird imo since 01:17:901 - 01:18:201 - has pretty strong downbeats.

ar0
00:07:533 (1,3) - fix blanket
00:57:946 (1,2,4) - this looks pretty bad tbh
01:27:203 (1,1,1) - no need to NC spam
01:27:953 (2) - NC this
This should be cs4 tbh, 3.8 feels really awkward due to some spacings. Feels like you mapped with cs4 then made it bigger...
00:26:888 (1,2) - 00:28:688 (1,2,3) - etc looks bad

Another
00:48:193 (4) - NC

Normal
00:22:387 - use a 1/1 slider instead, it is too empty now
00:24:487 - circle

Also use a higher cs for easy because some notes almost overlapped.

m4m https://osu.ppy.sh/s/643391

Shunao

1,906 posts

Joined February 2016

Shunao 2017-11-19T15:11:07+00:00

i think 3.3 it's fine

s

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
Artist:LiSA
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Creator:_DT3
Version:Shogun's Easy
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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-11-19T15:20:01+00:00

metadata

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-11-19T16:00:20+00:00

Got some other metadata:
http://www.lxixsxa.com/disco/archive/?SVWC-70183

It's from LiSA's own website so I think that it's official too

Then ofc Sinnoh's metadata: https://www.aniplexplus.com/itemzCousYJk

sahuang wrote:
Can I get the metadata ^

Another
00:48:193 (4) - NC I've explained this before and my reasoning is that it wouldn't be consistent with 00:46:993 (4) - , which is essentially the same as the hitcircle

Normal
00:22:387 - use a 1/1 slider instead, it is too empty now Fine, so many people complained about it now I understand your concern and I'll fix it. Did sth else here though to follow vocals then
00:24:487 - circle Also did sth different but it's less empty now

m4m https://osu.ppy.sh/s/643391

Thanks sahuang! Updated with Shogun's Easy~
Waiting for Armin and Kibbleru

A r M i N

1,298 posts

Joined October 2014

A r M i N 2017-11-19T16:36:55+00:00

sahuang wrote:
Can I get the metadata

ar0
00:07:533 (1,3) - fix blanket
00:57:946 (1,2,4) - this looks pretty bad tbh I wasn't really sure what you didn't like about it so I replaced it with this: https://puu.sh/ypl8w/c1f55f1854.jpg ^^
01:27:203 (1,1,1) - no need to NC spam
01:27:953 (2) - NC this
This should be cs4 tbh, 3.8 feels really awkward due to some spacings. Feels like you mapped with cs4 then made it bigger... okay ^^
00:26:888 (1,2) - 00:28:688 (1,2,3) - etc looks bad spaced it more ^^

m4m https://osu.ppy.sh/s/643391

Fixed all thanks <3

@DT3 Vergiss nich die HS wieder drauf zu machen weil ich was geändert habe ^^

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
Artist:LiSA
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Creator:_DT3
Version:A r M i N's Extra
Source:クオリディア・コード
Tags:Qualidea Code OP Opening Risa Oribe Tomoya Tabuchi Koichiro Takahashi 10th Single ShogunMoon Astarte Mir LCFC LowComboFC Plaudible Lasse Evanescent- A_r_M_i_N Armin Kibbleru
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Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

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Joined August 2013

Kibbleru 2017-11-20T00:55:01+00:00

fix first one.
second one i was intending to follow vocals o-o, rhythm sounds pretty natural for me

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_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-11-20T17:29:36+00:00

Ok updated!
A r M i N's Extra is now harder than Kibb's Belief SR-wise so I have to rename both diffs lmao

Please re-download for that reason!

A r M i N

1,298 posts

Joined October 2014

A r M i N 2017-11-20T19:59:00+00:00

kool i am belief now

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-12-09T03:20:46+00:00

Good for rebubble

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-12-09T03:29:27+00:00

probation is more of a hindrance to mappers than the bn

bite you death

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bite you death 2017-12-09T13:06:59+00:00

what happened here

DeRandom Otaku

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DeRandom Otaku 2017-12-09T14:38:28+00:00

bite you death wrote:
what happened here

probation happened

sahuang

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sahuang 2017-12-11T13:24:54+00:00

DeRandom Otaku wrote:
bite you death wrote:
what happened here
probation happened

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_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-11T14:13:33+00:00

Thanks a lot, sahuang and Sinnoh!

Astarte

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Astarte 2017-12-11T16:37:24+00:00

Woohoo!

A r M i N

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A r M i N 2017-12-11T19:16:59+00:00

Gz!!

Shmiklak

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Shmiklak 2017-12-12T01:07:55+00:00

Grats

Kyouren

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Kyouren 2017-12-12T11:00:24+00:00

Congratulations!

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-12T15:17:08+00:00

hi
your another diff could use a bit of work imo.

first off:
ar 9.4 feels very unfitting, it is too high. currently the object density is ridiculously low, there is like 1 or 2 things on screen at most points. it just feels like playing whackamole since there are no recognizable patterns; there are never any other things on screen to create a relationship. i suggest an ar between 9 and 9.3 instead. same thing for top diffs tbh, but it's particularly bad here because you use a lot of sliders so the object density is quite low relative to armin and kibb.

second:

your kiai rhythm feels like it doesn't really take into account the variations in vocal rhythm in the song.

here's what i mean:
00:50:744 (1,2,3,4,5) - these are all mapped to vocals. however, at 00:52:244 - the vocal very clearly switches to the red tick. this is not reflected in your clicking rhythm at all since you now have a bunch of vocals on slider ends. I suggest a rhythm like http://puu.sh/yEP5c/b7d9233986.jpg this in order to highlight the offbeat vocals a bit more. atm they are pretty much ignored in favor of background drum stuff which is subpar since the vocals are much more prominent.

00:54:345 - same idea here, the vocals are quite strong and on the red ticks but the drums are given priority instead which feels rather unsatisfactory in gameplay.

00:56:895 (1,2) - this is even worse, there is a really loud vocal climax here, 00:57:045 - is super strong, but it is completely ignored
01:01:697 (1,2) - here you can see the vocal goes up in density, but again this is not really communicated to the player in any way since you copy pasted the rhythm from the first half.

yea basically, i think only following the white tick drums and ignoring all the vocal variations is not a good way to go about representing the most important part of the song which isn't the background drum beat but rather the more prominent vocal melody that has variations and offbeat based rhythm.

Mir

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Mir 2017-12-12T15:33:29+00:00

adding onto nao's post above, it doesn't even follow the drum variation properly since 1 and 3 of each 00:54:495 (1,2,3) - pattern have double drums on them which could be represented with circles better, or just following the vocals.

I talked to you about this rhythm like 2 months ago too... admittedly I wasn't as caring about it back then but I wish you would have actually taken it into account (also i didn't notice this was qualified so pls dont blame me with "why didnt u mod before qualify you were on the set!" tbh i forgot about this set lol)

also: 00:59:446 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why on earth is this 1/4 stream hitsounded with 1/2???? like in the topdiff 00:59:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this gets very very obviously incomplete and really doesn't represent this stream in the song at all. this happens at 01:08:898 (1,2,1,2,1) - as well and pretty much 00:28:688 (1,2,3,1,2) - everywhere 00:38:291 (1,2,3,4,5) - there's 00:14:885 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -a 00:04:532 (3,4,5,6) - stream and seems very unfitting. I would actually recommend doing something about this, strongly recommend. It feels very out of place

imo this 01:05:147 - whistle thing? the loud one not the finish, seems a bit spammed overall. I'd use it less on every finish spot and more on notable changes in the song sections, like at the start of kiais or something

01:09:949 - 01:14:750 - should this really be kiai still tho? seems not as intense and more like an intermission between the second and last chorus bit

i would really recommend doing something about the rhythm and hitsounding - the rhythm just frankly ignoring the song and the hitsounds sounding very incomplete on those streams

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-12T15:57:38+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
hi
your another diff could use a bit of work imo.

first off:
ar 9.4 feels very unfitting, it is too high. currently the object density is ridiculously low, there is like 1 or 2 things on screen at most points. it just feels like playing whackamole since there are no recognizable patterns; there are never any other things on screen to create a relationship. i suggest an ar between 9 and 9.3 instead. same thing for top diffs tbh, but it's particularly bad here because you use a lot of sliders so the object density is quite low relative to armin and kibb. Could agree to this but imo lowering the AR does not make too much of a difference. I'm willing to fix this in case of a DQ but I'm not just DQing this for that sake

second:

your kiai rhythm feels like it doesn't really take into account the variations in vocal rhythm in the song.

here's what i mean:
00:50:744 (1,2,3,4,5) - these are all mapped to vocals. however, at 00:52:244 - the vocal very clearly switches to the red tick. this is not reflected in your clicking rhythm at all since you now have a bunch of vocals on slider ends. I suggest a rhythm like http://puu.sh/yEP5c/b7d9233986.jpg this in order to highlight the offbeat vocals a bit more. atm they are pretty much ignored in favor of background drum stuff which is subpar since the vocals are much more prominent.

00:54:345 - same idea here, the vocals are quite strong and on the red ticks but the drums are given priority instead which feels rather unsatisfactory in gameplay.

00:56:895 (1,2) - this is even worse, there is a really loud vocal climax here, 00:57:045 - is super strong, but it is completely ignored
01:01:697 (1,2) - here you can see the vocal goes up in density, but again this is not really communicated to the player in any way since you copy pasted the rhythm from the first half.

yea basically, i think only following the white tick drums and ignoring all the vocal variations is not a good way to go about representing the most important part of the song which isn't the background drum beat but rather the more prominent vocal melody that has variations and offbeat based rhythm.

Ok, I know about the fact that I switch between instruments every measure in the kiai but I actually have a reason for that: Every time I switch from the instruments to the vocals back again (e.g. 00:53:144 (1) - 00:55:545 (1) - 00:57:946 (1) - etc.) I wanted to highlight the stronger vocals/the ones that land on finishes. This is best achieved imo by switching to the vocals when it actually seems necessary to make them stand out from the previous measure. Also, the strong vocals on the measures with the instruments are mapped on the white tick anyways (like 00:56:895 (1) - 00:52:094 (1) - )

Mir wrote:
adding onto nao's post above, it doesn't even follow the drum variation properly since 1 and 3 of each 00:54:495 (1,2,3) - pattern have double drums on them which could be represented with circles better, or just following the vocals.

I talked to you about this rhythm like 2 months ago too... admittedly I wasn't as caring about it back then but I wish you would have actually taken it into account (also i didn't notice this was qualified so pls dont blame me with "why didnt u mod before qualify you were on the set!" tbh i forgot about this set lol) Dw lol, I would never actually say sth like that and I don't blame you for forgetting xd

also: 00:59:446 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why on earth is this 1/4 stream hitsounded with 1/2???? like in the topdiff 00:59:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this gets very very obviously incomplete and really doesn't represent this stream in the song at all. this happens at 01:08:898 (1,2,1,2,1) - as well and pretty much 00:28:688 (1,2,3,1,2) - everywhere 00:38:291 (1,2,3,4,5) - there's 00:14:885 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -a 00:04:532 (3,4,5,6) - stream and seems very unfitting. I would actually recommend doing something about this, strongly recommend. It feels very out of place This is pretty subjective imo but I know where you're coming from. The 1/4s were highlighted with the drum samples. If I hitsound those notes on 1/4 too, it sounds really obnoxious imo

imo this 01:05:147 - whistle thing? the loud one not the finish, seems a bit spammed overall. I'd use it less on every finish spot and more on notable changes in the song sections, like at the start of kiais or something It's only used 4 times... o_o. The whoosh compliments the stronger notes imo

01:09:949 - 01:14:750 - should this really be kiai still tho? seems not as intense and more like an intermission between the second and last chorus bit It has a similar instrumental/musical structure as the kiai, I think it's fine to use there

i would really recommend doing something about the rhythm and hitsounding - the rhythm just frankly ignoring the song and the hitsounds sounding very incomplete on those streams

I understand your opinion guys and am definitely open for discussion. I do think that my reasoning is fine though

Mir

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Mir 2017-12-12T16:04:10+00:00

_DT3 wrote:
Ok, I know about the fact that I switch between instruments every measure in the kiai but I actually have a reason for that: Every time I switch from the instruments to the vocals back again (e.g. 00:53:144 (1) - 00:55:545 (1) - 00:57:946 (1) - etc.) I wanted to highlight the stronger vocals/the ones that land on finishes. This is best achieved imo by switching to the vocals when it actually seems necessary to make them stand out from the previous measure.

i.. can't agree with this. What you actually do is confuse the player because they expect to follow vocals and then a generic rhythm that doesn't really follow anything gets thrown in and actually puts more emphasis on itself than the vocals due to this, which goes directly against what you're trying to achieve. The player will more likely think "why am I not playing these vocals the pattern before was following them" so this kind of just works against the player in every way.

I understand you want to highlight the vocals but doing that with patterning or emphasis would be a lot nicer than if you did it with rhythm because in some songs changing the rhythm like this ends up ignoring so much else that would make sense to play.

Mir wrote:
also: 00:59:446 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why on earth is this 1/4 stream hitsounded with 1/2???? like in the topdiff 00:59:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this gets very very obviously incomplete and really doesn't represent this stream in the song at all. this happens at 01:08:898 (1,2,1,2,1) - as well and pretty much 00:28:688 (1,2,3,1,2) - everywhere 00:38:291 (1,2,3,4,5) - there's 00:14:885 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -a 00:04:532 (3,4,5,6) - stream and seems very unfitting. I would actually recommend doing something about this, strongly recommend. It feels very out of place This is pretty subjective imo but I know where you're coming from. The 1/4s were highlighted with the drum samples. If I hitsound those notes on 1/4 too, it sounds really obnoxious imo I don't see how it could sound obnoxious when it's part of the song?? that doesn't really seem like a good reason tbh lol, if they're too loud or something you can lower the sample volume or the volume of that part? I really really really don't think leaving these as 1/2 is a good idea

imo this 01:05:147 - whistle thing? the loud one not the finish, seems a bit spammed overall. I'd use it less on every finish spot and more on notable changes in the song sections, like at the start of kiais or something It's only used 4 times... o_o. The whoosh compliments the stronger notes imo maybe i exaggerated lel, but i think starting it at the start of the kiai sections only put even more emphasis on the whole section and if you put another in the middle of the second it kinda loses value if that makes sense

i would really recommend doing something about the rhythm and hitsounding - the rhythm just frankly ignoring the song and the hitsounds sounding very incomplete on those streams
I understand your opinion guys and am definitely open for discussion. I do think that my reasoning is fine though

Fair, I'll discuss. Let's see where this goes.

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-12T16:20:10+00:00

Yes, I will comment some more probably tomorrow or late tonight.

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-12T16:20:27+00:00

Mir wrote:
_DT3 wrote:
Ok, I know about the fact that I switch between instruments every measure in the kiai but I actually have a reason for that: Every time I switch from the instruments to the vocals back again (e.g. 00:53:144 (1) - 00:55:545 (1) - 00:57:946 (1) - etc.) I wanted to highlight the stronger vocals/the ones that land on finishes. This is best achieved imo by switching to the vocals when it actually seems necessary to make them stand out from the previous measure.

i.. can't agree with this. What you actually do is confuse the player because they expect to follow vocals and then a generic rhythm that doesn't really follow anything gets thrown in and actually puts more emphasis on itself than the vocals due to this, which goes directly against what you're trying to achieve. The player will more likely think "why am I not playing these vocals the pattern before was following them" so this kind of just works against the player in every way.

I understand you want to highlight the vocals but doing that with patterning or emphasis would be a lot nicer than if you did it with rhythm because in some songs changing the rhythm like this ends up ignoring so much else that would make sense to play.
I think that the player is actually going to think "this note is actually following the vocals again, it must seem important!". It also gets highlighted by a spacing increase too so a player will definitely be able to feel the impact of those vocals. Also, about the thing being confused (might sound a bit lame lol), if it lingers throughout the whole section, the player gets used to it (especially due to the repetitiveness of the rhythm) and it doesn't put too much emphasis on the concept like that

also: 00:59:446 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why on earth is this 1/4 stream hitsounded with 1/2???? like in the topdiff 00:59:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this gets very very obviously incomplete and really doesn't represent this stream in the song at all. this happens at 01:08:898 (1,2,1,2,1) - as well and pretty much 00:28:688 (1,2,3,1,2) - everywhere 00:38:291 (1,2,3,4,5) - there's 00:14:885 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -a 00:04:532 (3,4,5,6) - stream and seems very unfitting. I would actually recommend doing something about this, strongly recommend. It feels very out of place This is pretty subjective imo but I know where you're coming from. The 1/4s were highlighted with the drum samples. If I hitsound those notes on 1/4 too, it sounds really obnoxious imo I don't see how it could sound obnoxious when it's part of the song?? that doesn't really seem like a good reason tbh lol, if they're too loud or something you can lower the sample volume or the volume of that part? I really really really don't think leaving these as 1/2 is a good idea Well maybe obnoxious was the wrong word lol. I meant more like overpowering the song and that's definitely I don't want to do that. The hitsounds now really compliment the stuff going on in the 1/4 imo and finding another less strong hitsound where the 1/4s would be hitsounded would be too underwhelming for me

imo this 01:05:147 - whistle thing? the loud one not the finish, seems a bit spammed overall. I'd use it less on every finish spot and more on notable changes in the song sections, like at the start of kiais or something It's only used 4 times... o_o. The whoosh compliments the stronger notes imo maybe i exaggerated lel, but i think starting it at the start of the kiai sections only put even more emphasis on the whole section and if you put another in the middle of the second it kinda loses value if that makes sense Definitely can agree with you here with what you mean but this is similar to Nao's point on the AR, of course it would improve things it by a little bit but as long as it's not a major flaw and it works, it's fine

i would really recommend doing something about the rhythm and hitsounding - the rhythm just frankly ignoring the song and the hitsounds sounding very incomplete on those streams

I understand your opinion guys and am definitely open for discussion. I do think that my reasoning is fine though
Fair, I'll discuss. Let's see where this goes.

Hope that did clear stuff up also if I look desperate for keeping this in qualified or some shit like that, I don't mean it lmao

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-12-12T16:27:08+00:00

I usually don't get involved in the ranking process of sets I gd on but after taking a look a the another diff

reasoning or not, I don't think it works very well here
rhythm just feels very uninuitive, it's basically impossible to figure out what you're supposed to tap to since it switches all the time, so you basically just play the map by looking at approach circles instead of listening to the song. (I personally actually did better on the map with muted audio...)

hitsounding 1/4 drums with 1/2 even though you map them as 1/4 is just really weird to play since the hitsound feedback becomes really confusing and unfitting

have to agree with the woosh sample thing sounding pretty weird and not really fitting the song (didn't have it before since it's been a long time since I last redownloaded the set), just sounded pretty annoying to me
should've probably redownloaded earlier since now it also seems like the intro until 00:06:333 - is somehow using electronic drum samples on a lot of difficulties, which sounds really out of place for this song :/

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also rhythm and patterning on kibb's diff is really questionable in some spots, like 00:51:194 (2,3,4,5,6) - 01:00:796 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - what is the 1/2 triangle even following... your overmapped 1/4 highlights the vocal, but putting a jump onto nothing right after does the opposite and also makes it seem like things like 00:51:494 (4,5,6) - are put as a group of 3 which makes no sense with anything that's happening in the song...
the whole kiai just feels really weird to play since it's completely unclear what you're following

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-12T17:29:52+00:00

Ok, gonna ask for a DQ to fix the issue, already checked a new version of it with Mir and he said he was fine with it. Thanks guys!

Deif

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Deif 2017-12-12T18:21:10+00:00

Disqualified as requested by the mapper. Good luck!

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-12T19:26:45+00:00

Lasse wrote:
I usually don't get involved in the ranking process of sets I gd on but after taking a look a the another diff

reasoning or not, I don't think it works very well here
rhythm just feels very uninuitive, it's basically impossible to figure out what you're supposed to tap to since it switches all the time, so you basically just play the map by looking at approach circles instead of listening to the song. (I personally actually did better on the map with muted audio...)

hitsounding 1/4 drums with 1/2 even though you map them as 1/4 is just really weird to play since the hitsound feedback becomes really confusing and unfitting

have to agree with the woosh sample thing sounding pretty weird and not really fitting the song (didn't have it before since it's been a long time since I last redownloaded the set), just sounded pretty annoying to me
should've probably redownloaded earlier since now it also seems like the intro until 00:06:333 - is somehow using electronic drum samples on a lot of difficulties, which sounds really out of place for this song :/ I thought this was there since a while xd. I'm gonna leave the hitsounds as they are, they suit the song just fine (the woosh for the guitar for the kiais and the electronic stuff for the drums which sound a bit more intense to me than the kiai), appreciate your opinion though!

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also rhythm and patterning on kibb's diff is really questionable in some spots, like 00:51:194 (2,3,4,5,6) - 01:00:796 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - what is the 1/2 triangle even following... your overmapped 1/4 highlights the vocal, but putting a jump onto nothing right after does the opposite and also makes it seem like things like 00:51:494 (4,5,6) - are put as a group of 3 which makes no sense with anything that's happening in the song...
the whole kiai just feels really weird to play since it's completely unclear what you're following

Gonna ask Kibbleru to reply to his stuff but I did some fixes:
I changed the rhythm of 00:52:094 (1,2,3,4) - 00:56:895 (1,2,3,4) - 01:01:697 (1,2,3,4) - 01:03:947 (1,2,3,4) - to match the vocals. I also changed the placement around for 00:52:094 (1,2,3,4) - 01:01:697 (1,2,3,4,5) - to emphasize the following 1/1 slider with the 'abuse' of slider leniency. Spacing of 01:03:947 (1) - and 00:56:895 (1) - have been made bigger for better emphasis. Also changed AR and made some self-modding, thanks again!

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-12-13T05:22:58+00:00

don't really know what i was thinking either when i made this. forgot

~~ill fix it tomorrow~~

fixed here

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Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-14T02:46:30+00:00

ping me when you update i guess, i dont see any changes..? not really looking to kill the set so yea

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-14T06:38:04+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
ping me when you update i guess, i dont see any changes..? not really looking to kill the set so yea

Dw, just didn't update yet, will do when I arrive from school

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-14T16:09:55+00:00

he pinged me and its ok

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-12-25T09:33:52+00:00

no kd obviously

recheck for another
00:56:595 (4,5,1) - Would just nerf this a bit, 01:03:497 (3,4,1) - is easier since there's a slider rather than two circles.
01:10:399 (2,3) - maybe change rhythm here since vocal is followed everywhere else, maybe use 1/2 slider on 01:09:949 (1) - and move 01:10:399 (2,3) - back by 1/2
+ overlap is pretty inconsistent with how rest of this was mapped, would just avoid

will bub after change since nao approves

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-25T10:38:51+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
no kd obviously

recheck for another
00:56:595 (4,5,1) - Would just nerf this a bit, 01:03:497 (3,4,1) - is easier since there's a slider rather than two circles. Would rather not, distance between the two is similar anyway + density is higher on the first one anyway
01:10:399 (2,3) - maybe change rhythm here since vocal is followed everywhere else, maybe use 1/2 slider on 01:09:949 (1) - and move 01:10:399 (2,3) - back by 1/2
+ overlap is pretty inconsistent with how rest of this was mapped, would just avoid I changed rhythm but left an overlap, similar stuff is in the map too

will bub after change since nao approves

Thank

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-12-26T13:03:10+00:00

Your message is too short.

sahuang

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sahuang 2017-12-29T10:17:44+00:00

ok requalified then

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