?????Sotarks wrote:
o lol anime war 3 rhapsody maps bubbled xd
also IamKwaN checked my full ver and it's the good romanisation
add this to tags too : aozora no junichi sato yuxuki waga kevin mitsunaga tv size anime
gl~
what is Romanised LMAO
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what is Romanised LMAO
i agree with Meg, having an english translation as the romanized title for an obvious Japanese title just seems unbefitting
unless there's a rule about this that i don't know about i really think the original title is much more suitable
unless there's a rule about this that i don't know about i really think the original title is much more suitable
It would be better to confirm with alacat instead of Kwan for such romanisation issues as Kwan herself said she was bad at it.
since when is romanized synonymous with translated lul
Yeah but it's the official title, and even if you type aozora no Rhapsody you can find the map, since it's on tags.SadiStick wrote:
since when is romanized synonymous with translated lul
But I can agree that it would be better with the actual romanized title lol
I do understand your point and why Kwan and Xexxar found "RHAPSODY OF BLUE SKY" is adequate to the metadata but in my opinion, "official title" must be defined as a state of how it's described on an official website of the record company, or something related to it.Sotarks wrote:
Yeah but it's the official title, and even if you type aozora no Rhapsody you can find the map, since it's on tags.SadiStick wrote:
since when is romanized synonymous with translated lul
But I can agree that it would be better with the actual romanized title lol
I went over once but apparently there's no descriptions like that, so I think using a romanized name makes more sense here.
btw how to search a map is not the matter, that's how tags system works and not how metadata does.
gl anyways
fun fact
official missing "of" in the url lo
official missing "of" in the url lo
The title of the song is still "青空のラプソディ", but the romanization (which is the title used for the website) comes from the CD-cover which is being treated as the official romanization of the song. In cases where preferred romanizations exist, they are used.
As you can read on the CD cover, RHAPSODY OF BLUE SKY is used. This is what Kwan used to justify that this is official romanization. If you can find other instances of different, OFFICIAL romanizations, please link them.
Edit: Rebubbled since I saw it was popped for updating of Mrsergio's points.
As you can read on the CD cover, RHAPSODY OF BLUE SKY is used. This is what Kwan used to justify that this is official romanization. If you can find other instances of different, OFFICIAL romanizations, please link them.
Edit: Rebubbled since I saw it was popped for updating of Mrsergio's points.
dropping my two cents on metadata:
it should use "Aozora no Rhapsody" instead of the English translation. the editor says to provide the Romanised title, not the English title, so i don't see how this should be acceptable. even if we consider the preferred romanisation rule into account, an english translation isn't a romanisation. to clarify, 青空 translates to "blue sky," but is romanised as "aozora."
i'd like to present a previous discussion regarding the use of an official English title vs. the Romanisation title from a previous mapset; for convenience, here's the actual post that Kwan makes regarding whether to use the English title or the Romanised title: t/467414/start=131
in this case, the Romanised title is being used over the English title, so why is that not the case here? because the English title was on the cd cover?????
there needs to be consistency regarding metadata cases like this.
obviously this should apply to all the other mapsets as well
it should use "Aozora no Rhapsody" instead of the English translation. the editor says to provide the Romanised title, not the English title, so i don't see how this should be acceptable. even if we consider the preferred romanisation rule into account, an english translation isn't a romanisation. to clarify, 青空 translates to "blue sky," but is romanised as "aozora."
i'd like to present a previous discussion regarding the use of an official English title vs. the Romanisation title from a previous mapset; for convenience, here's the actual post that Kwan makes regarding whether to use the English title or the Romanised title: t/467414/start=131
in this case, the Romanised title is being used over the English title, so why is that not the case here? because the English title was on the cd cover?????
there needs to be consistency regarding metadata cases like this.
obviously this should apply to all the other mapsets as well
Again, according to IamKwan, when there exists an official romanization of the song, that is what is used. The same is true for prefered romanizations of artists. (hence why Kawada Mami became Mami Kawada). The whole argument is that RHAPSODY OF BLUE SKY is the official romanization of the song because it is used for the official album cover.
I will try to contact Kwan about this because I think this is incorrect as well but, she is metadata daddy.
I will try to contact Kwan about this because I think this is incorrect as well but, she is metadata daddy.
That example is still a bit different though, Kawada Mami and Mami Kawada are both the romanised form of 川田 まみ, it's just catered differently to an asian audience vs a western audience
the dispute here is regarding romanised (japanese romaji) vs english translation
since the client asks for the romanised title, i strongly believe we shouldn't be using the translation of the japanese title, even if it is on the cd cover
just wanted to point that out so we can be confirming the right thing here :d
also kwan is a girl /slapped by kwan
the dispute here is regarding romanised (japanese romaji) vs english translation
since the client asks for the romanised title, i strongly believe we shouldn't be using the translation of the japanese title, even if it is on the cd cover
just wanted to point that out so we can be confirming the right thing here :d
also kwan is a girl /slapped by kwan
instead of having xexxar bubbling this set since it's hard to get t2 bns zzz try and find a t1 bn to bubble and get xexxar to qualify lol
You guys fighting but forget something, how so embarassing you guys
http://maidragon.jp/product/cd/soundtrack.php
青空のラプソディ(TV size)
歌：fhána
Title: 青空のラプソディ(TV size)
Romaji title: RHAPSODY OF BLUE SKY(TV size) or Rhapsody of Blue Sky(TV size) since fhana official Facebook say Rhapsody of Blue Sky, so it's fine to used both but it's up to you
No kudosu and good luck! :3
http://maidragon.jp/product/cd/soundtrack.php
青空のラプソディ(TV size)
歌：fhána
Title: 青空のラプソディ(TV size)
Romaji title: RHAPSODY OF BLUE SKY(TV size) or Rhapsody of Blue Sky(TV size) since fhana official Facebook say Rhapsody of Blue Sky, so it's fine to used both but it's up to you
No kudosu and good luck! :3
can we end this metadata war one day?
This case is closed. We following from fhana's CD-cover with say RHAPSODY OF BLUE SKY as Romaji title. Just waiting RepL4y to add (TV size) to title since the original soundtrack is released and the metadata war is over nowSotarks wrote:
can we end this metadata war one day?
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[General]
[General]
- you need to fix the metadata
- The video's audio track must be removed from the video file although video is silenced, it still contains an audio track, which should be removed
- 00:11:322 (3,4,5) - as the sound on 00:11:655 - is weaker than the others, i think this rhythm would fit the song better
- 00:31:655 - isn't this supposed to be a clap?
- 00:47:323 (1,2) - i think they look too close each other compared to the rest (really nazi lol)
- 00:21:433 (5) - the slider whistle sounds kinda weird, i believe it's a mistake lol
- 00:32:877 (3) - maybe you could move this slider somewhere to the upside so that 00:33:099 (1) - gets more emphasis. it's just a suggestion tho
- 00:21:433 (4,5,7,1) - i wouldn't recommend to use different rhythms in just one stack, it's confusing, especially for this level of difficulty
- you have a lot of spacing inconsistencies, stuff like 00:17:877 (2,3) - is too difficult for newbies because they're not yet accustomed to move the cursor lol. besides, you have combos where the distance suddenly decreases (this one 01:05:099 (1,2,3) - for example) so please check the map carefully
- 01:03:322 - i think you shouldn't be changing the sv, although music is more intense, the song's pace stays the same so it might be too confusing for beginners
- 01:14:877 (7,1) - i kinda mentioned this already, but time distance equality should be used, using a stack is confusing because you're already using stacks to represent 1/2 gaps
- 00:59:766 (5) - same whistle as insane lol
So that one TV Size already ranked is not written (TV Size) but this one is? How about making this consistent...
Because the original soundtrack is not released after the opening is released first
no kudosu
- 00:01:100 - make the green and red lines hitsounding consistent
- delete the space in between 青空のラプソディ and (TV size) (only in the unicode title)
- replace the spinner 01:28:766 (1) - for something else, auto can't reach 1k with hr so i doubt it's doable
- i don't think tick rate 2 is appropiate for this diff, tick rate 1 is enough imo
- 00:13:544 - rhythms here are kinda confusing, you could try something easier by deleting this circle 00:14:877 (2) -
- 00:31:322 (3,4,1) - balance the spacing so people don't recognize them as different time gaps
- 01:03:322 (3) - sv change is too sudden, you should be keeping constant sv
- 01:06:877 (3,4) - spacing mistake
- 00:24:988 (2,3) - spacing mistake
- 00:32:099 (5,6,1) - could balance the spacing as well
- 00:59:766 (5) - whistle didn't get fixed
ついに来たね
hello, i saw a bubble
trigger alert
kiai times across difficulties is inconsistent
for the next couple of lines i'm going to complain about the highest difficulty:
following lists are only examples of a /major/ problem within the mapset
01:13:988 - this whole section onwards is really cool though, good job!
tl;dr: you need to remap it - strongest beats land on slidertails, overmapped notes (by overmapped i mean, there's nothing in the music to support such notes), overdone calm sections
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i will come back after you have remapped/applied everything you can
for the time being, good luck!
trigger alert
kiai times across difficulties is inconsistent
for the next couple of lines i'm going to complain about the highest difficulty:
following lists are only examples of a /major/ problem within the mapset
- your rhythm is questionable. no, not even questionable; it actually goes against the idea of "strong sounds get clicked, weaker sounds get passively hitsounded".
when talking about mapping, we have two type of rhythms/actions: active and passive
-active hitsounding refers to everything players click, that is circles and sliderheads (could also argue that players also click spinners, but that's for later). now, these notes are supposed to represent the most prominent beats in the music thus creating some kind of pressure for the players. unlike sliderends, for example, players get more feedback from the clicking action rather than the non-clicking one. it should be obvious by now, though.
-passive hitsounding refers to everything that have a passive functionality. examples being slidertails, reverse arrows, sliderbodies, sliderticks and spinnerends. these don’t generate any kind of pressure; these are only mapped for the purpose of emphasizing certain objects over others and/or when extending certain sounds. if you are going to silence the tails (which you should in most cases), it should sound natural to the player.
throughout the whole map, there are a lot of instances where you prioritize non-existent beats over very audible notes:- 00:17:433 (2) - if you are following the drums or the vocals during this section, there's no way this note is being mapped. the sound this object holds is completely different from what you're following. it lands on the guitar. from here you could argue that "well, there's a guitar sound (even if it's really, really, really quiet) so i placed a circle", but it doesn't work like that. if you were to map the guitar, you would place objects like this http://i.imgur.com/XzwPgD2.jpg . but that'd be inconsistent with everything else, so let's avoid guitars.
- 00:19:211 (2) - same occurs here; this follows a different rhythm
- 00:20:988 (2) - and here, etc. etc.
- 00:29:099 (3,4,5,6) - nothing landing on 00:29:211 (4) - so it ruins the emphasis on vocals 00:29:322 (5) -
- 00:54:099 (4) - etc. etc.
i strongly suggest you to stick to vocals, they are very prominent on fhána songs - 00:19:211 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - three different patterns for three different sounds, yet the emphasis is not executed properly;
00:20:988 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - this patterning works way better, even if the rhythm is really unclear (because as i told you above, you are following 48092 sounds at the same time) - 00:22:433 (1,2,1) - weird way of NCing, it should be placed 00:23:211 (3) - there
- 00:33:099 - this whole section as a whole doesn't feel special at all. it's the most calm section of the whole song, but it contains the same slider velocity, density and spacing that everywhere else. for calm parts, you always want to make a clear distinctiveness so there's a noticeable contrast between different sections of the song.
this section feels the exact same as the whole rest of the map - the whole map looks and plays the exact same throughout different sections. there's no build-up into the chorus, there's no calm section, there's no difference between non-kiai and kiai
- 00:41:099 (1,2,3,4) - there is no consistency whatsoever (as i said before) for stronger beats over weaker ones. if you are not planning to space them out consistently, in a way that they make sense with the song, then don't space them at all because it plays really baddd
- 00:43:988 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this one is a personal one, but a build-up into the kiai would be more appreciated, spacing the notes out every triplet plays and looks better
- 01:01:544 (1,2,3,4,5) - again, you swap from vocal mapping to... whatever this rhythm is following
- 01:04:544 (1) - you are almost never supposed to start a stream on the blue tick. why not? because stronger beats tend to land on whites/reds, so the emphasis should be put there; in this case http://i.imgur.com/N1vJCaU.jpg would work better because there's a full stream starting on 01:04:211 (1) - and there's nothing landing on 01:04:988 (5) - other than extended vocals from the previous tick.
- 01:07:211 (2,3) - not spaced vs 01:08:099 (2,3) - spaced vs 01:08:544 (4,1,2,3) - spaced spaced spaced
01:13:988 - this whole section onwards is really cool though, good job!
tl;dr: you need to remap it - strongest beats land on slidertails, overmapped notes (by overmapped i mean, there's nothing in the music to support such notes), overdone calm sections
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i will come back after you have remapped/applied everything you can
for the time being, good luck!
i dont get this bubble pop most of the changes proposed would make the map more boring for the sake of making more sense?
like the individual patterns pointed out as suggstions make sense but the conclusion that the entire thing needs to be completely scrapped from that seems ???
like the individual patterns pointed out as suggstions make sense but the conclusion that the entire thing needs to be completely scrapped from that seems ???
To:Yuii-
Do you think ALL emphasized(means you said "active"?) points must be clickable?
It's wrong. Maps should have originality and personality.
If changed like your opinions, almost maps will be similar rhythms, I guess so at least.
From below, I wrote counter to your mod.
Do you think ALL emphasized(means you said "active"?) points must be clickable?
It's wrong. Maps should have originality and personality.
If changed like your opinions, almost maps will be similar rhythms, I guess so at least.
From below, I wrote counter to your mod.
I just agreed with Okorin's post.Yuii- wrote:
throughout the whole map, there are a lot of instances where you prioritize non-existent beats over very audible notes:you get the point, there are overmapped sounds following a complete different layer. your rhythm isn't consistent. you are /trying/ to follow pretty much everything in the song, but you are not prioritizing anything, so what are you exactly following?
- 00:17:433 (2) - if you are following the drums or the vocals during this section, there's no way this note is being mapped. the sound this object holds is completely different from what you're following. it lands on the guitar. from here you could argue that "well, there's a guitar sound (even if it's really, really, really quiet) so i placed a circle", but it doesn't work like that. if you were to map the guitar, you would place objects like this http://i.imgur.com/XzwPgD2.jpg . but that'd be inconsistent with everything else, so let's avoid guitars.
00:17:433 (2) - this circle followed vocal so clear. It plays a very important role for following vocals in playing, and it makes playable. If remove this note, players will feel boring and weird, since this part is generally called "alternating"(we can know from snare drum sounds). So I don't think it appropriate to delete this circle.
i strongly suggest you to stick to vocals, they are very prominent on fhána songs
Yes. It is music theory.Meg wrote:
Do you think ALL emphasized(means you said "active"?) points must be clickable?
Also, you completely misunderstood what Okorin said. And if anything, if he meant that maps are supposed to be different (which I would agree to a certain extent; because we map to the song, following a certain rhythm) in a way that they can follow whatever the mapper wants, then that is a very wrong mentality.
You follow the song and you emphasize certain sounds. Try mapping anything where all the relevant sounds land on slidertails and the non-important/non-existent notes are the circles/sliderheads and get some feedback. You would be surprised by how the community receives it.
LOLYuii- wrote:
Yes. It is music theory.
nice meme
its not subjectiveFiris Mistlud wrote:
LOLYuii- wrote:
Yes. It is music theory.
nice meme
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This map is fine in my eyes (in fact its better than most maps and has a nice older style to it). I'll let you guys come to a conclusion but I plan to rebubble / qualify this depending on what Repl4y wants to do regarding this mod. Come to an agreement or agree to disagree and call me back.
I can help re-bubbling this later.Xexxar wrote:
This map is fine in my eyes (in fact its better than most maps and has a nice older style to it). I'll let you guys come to a conclusion but I plan to rebubble / qualify this depending on what Repl4y wants to do regarding this mod. Come to an agreement or agree to disagree and call me back.
とりあえず、Yuii-のmodに一通り目を通して頂いた上で、英語等で不明な点があれば呼んでいただければ協力します。（翻訳等）
This is... just not trueYuii- wrote:
Yes. It is music theory.Meg wrote:
Do you think ALL emphasized(means you said "active"?) points must be clickable?
LYuii- wrote:
Yes. It is music theory.
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actually it is not music theory, but your own idea of beatmapping, which makes map boringly standardized rather than making more sense
anyway this map seems fine imo
No, it's not music theory. It's mapping theory, and it's your mapping theory. Music theory says nothing about how other art forms should interact with music.Yuii- wrote:
Yes. It is music theory.
This is one of the best beatmaps I've seen in the last year. It's fun, it's original, and it feels good with the music.
Why do you have to take down anything that doesn't fit in your narrow personal idea of mapping?
The mapper's creative choices are not mistakes as you describe them. They are conscious choices that allow the map to express the music.
Just because you limit the creativity of your own maps with rules you invented for yourself, doesn't mean others have to do the same.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYuii- wrote:
Yes. It is music theory.
never heard of mapping need music theory
Meme is kinda dead at this point. Keep your thoughts and stick to them. Map has its mistakes regardless and the pop will remain until the mod gets properly replied.
For the time being, if you have nothing else to add other that "o m g you trynna to put your mapping theories into other people's maps!! how mean of you, i cri" (or other less smart messages, let's not address them, let's keep it cool), then you can leave.
Also, @Little: calmest section of the song being the exact same as everything else IS indeed an issue. You probably are saying "it is not", but even you are aware that a map is not supposed to be done that way. That's not even subjective, it is reality. Not even a theory, it's contrast between sections.
I will come back after the mod gets replied and applied.
Not a good place to meme, peace.
For the time being, if you have nothing else to add other that "o m g you trynna to put your mapping theories into other people's maps!! how mean of you, i cri" (or other less smart messages, let's not address them, let's keep it cool), then you can leave.
Also, @Little: calmest section of the song being the exact same as everything else IS indeed an issue. You probably are saying "it is not", but even you are aware that a map is not supposed to be done that way. That's not even subjective, it is reality. Not even a theory, it's contrast between sections.
I will come back after the mod gets replied and applied.
Not a good place to meme, peace.
No, it is not meme. We were discussing how unfair it is to mark mapper's choices as "mistakes". The problem is, you are sticking to your own principles, thus taking what other think of as, "wow, fantastic and fun!", as "mistakes".
The second thing is that your mod is "unfixable". Trying to fix your mod here equals to a total remapping in a totally different style of choices of rhythm, choices of patterns, etc. Yeah, you are forcing the mapper to map in the way you want to see, just because there's nothing in the world is right other than your theory of mapping? That's UNFAIR.
In addition, it is variety, not a standardized rulesets of mapping, or so-called "music theory", that makes mapping such a fun thing.
Back to topic, since discussion to a map is always open, is discussion to your mod open?
The second thing is that your mod is "unfixable". Trying to fix your mod here equals to a total remapping in a totally different style of choices of rhythm, choices of patterns, etc. Yeah, you are forcing the mapper to map in the way you want to see, just because there's nothing in the world is right other than your theory of mapping? That's UNFAIR.
In addition, it is variety, not a standardized rulesets of mapping, or so-called "music theory", that makes mapping such a fun thing.
Back to topic, since discussion to a map is always open, is discussion to your mod open?
Nevertheless, this map is awesome to play!
Good Luck on pushing this forward
Good Luck on pushing this forward
variety should not include placing rhythm backwards and missing strong beats and putting clicks on weak ones. it isnt even like there are special patterns being made, the entire map is just one long distance snapped string of notes; you could easily switch up the rhythm a bit and improve it while maintaining the same type of cursor movement ideas...
also please guys, yes you don't need to follow the song with the map, but generally speaking doing that is a good idea in this game =)
also saying yuii has developmental disorders is rude, we call that "mental challenge" here in the west :c please reconsider your word choice to avoid being offensive!!
also please guys, yes you don't need to follow the song with the map, but generally speaking doing that is a good idea in this game =)
also saying yuii has developmental disorders is rude, we call that "mental challenge" here in the west :c please reconsider your word choice to avoid being offensive!!
disregarding the song so you can make your map more generic is not creativity
the map is enough to rank, it is reality.Yuii- wrote:
That's not even subjective, it is reality.
modder should follow mapper‘s mind, .. i just agreed with Little's post.
so what's happening here now?
Delis-chon please
Delis-chon please
Hello! how may I help you?
I also have no idea what's going on lol
I also have no idea what's going on lol
me too
by the way, you can overmap for sake of emphasising intensivity of the song, it's like what people do since 1734
idk for a reason i don't know people these days think that you should have every w h i t e t i c k mapped by clickable object and if you want to map something on offbeats, making it main theme of the map making your map trash in people opinions (it's not the case of this map, but i see all this coming from the same place)
So yeah, idk if my opinion counts, but consistency of the rhythm (read emphasising things with the same rhythm patterns) > "music theory" (even while thing people call music theory is a nice thing to follow you don't have to pray on it). So, in case of this map, if mapper deicded to overmap the song because it being somehow intensive, it's fine thing to go with, removing these objects on blueticks will make the map worse, because of sudden intensivity changes which are usually cockblocking people.
In conclusion: While the map isn't my cup of tea, i don't really see why the concept can be a reason to not rank the map. I'd say it need some polishing because some of patterns like ew, but again, thats about my tastes.
by the way, you can overmap for sake of emphasising intensivity of the song, it's like what people do since 1734
idk for a reason i don't know people these days think that you should have every w h i t e t i c k mapped by clickable object and if you want to map something on offbeats, making it main theme of the map making your map trash in people opinions (it's not the case of this map, but i see all this coming from the same place)
So yeah, idk if my opinion counts, but consistency of the rhythm (read emphasising things with the same rhythm patterns) > "music theory" (even while thing people call music theory is a nice thing to follow you don't have to pray on it). So, in case of this map, if mapper deicded to overmap the song because it being somehow intensive, it's fine thing to go with, removing these objects on blueticks will make the map worse, because of sudden intensivity changes which are usually cockblocking people.
In conclusion: While the map isn't my cup of tea, i don't really see why the concept can be a reason to not rank the map. I'd say it need some polishing because some of patterns like ew, but again, thats about my tastes.
I have some concerns on rhythm in easier difficulties, especially how some objects are placed on blue ticks.
Let me post some of them below. /me lazy to mention all _(:3 」∠)_
There are more things that could be improved in my eyes. Check Easy/Normal difficulties once again. (Sorry for my laziness _(:3 」∠)_ )
Also I don't mean to be rude/aggressive, but you guys should carefully take a look at not only higher difficulties but also easier ones. Recent ranked maps always make me think so.. :/
GL
Let me post some of them below. /me lazy to mention all _(:3 」∠)_
[Easy]
- 00:13:544 (1,2) - I wonder why these sliders are made with different length. (They follow exact same sounds, right..?) How no one noticed this during modding process before the map got bubbled.. Fix this by extending (2)'s end to 00:16:099 - .
- 00:45:544 (1,2,1) - Are these gaps between objects acceptable? (5/4 vs 1/1) It'd be much better to simplify 00:45:544 (1,2) - by turning them into a slider in my opinion. (start// 00:45:544 - end//00:46:877 - ) The current rhythm is definitely unsuitable for the easiest difficulty.
- 00:47:322 (1,2,3) - Exactly same as above.
- etc.
There are more things that could be improved in my eyes. Check Easy/Normal difficulties once again. (Sorry for my laziness _(:3 」∠)_ )
Also I don't mean to be rude/aggressive, but you guys should carefully take a look at not only higher difficulties but also easier ones. Recent ranked maps always make me think so.. :/
GL
Rank when?
rank when ?
Extra
00:27:322 (2,3) - here i think little bit overspaced..
HP drain in extra still feels weird and idk how fix that ;_;
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