kd pls
18:19 LMT: i just made a new map, do you want to take a look?
18:19 BOUYAAA: ye
18:19 *LMT is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1329273 Kamelot - Liar Liar (Wasteland Monarchy)]
18:20 BOUYAAA: bancho == retard
18:20 LMT: it's been pretty ded lately lol
18:26 BOUYAAA: mmmh
18:26 BOUYAAA: it's pretty good
18:27 BOUYAAA: There are some thigns i'd do differently though
18:27 LMT: feel free to point them out
18:28 BOUYAAA: 00:13:178 (3,4,5,6) - i prefer it when the kickslider points away from the pattern like here 00:16:002 (3,4,5,6) -
18:28 BOUYAAA: makes it more readable for me somehow
18:28 BOUYAAA: differentiates the triple better
18:29 BOUYAAA: 00:22:178 (3,4,5) - sometimes transitions are very uncomfortable to play because spacing changes while angles being very obtuse
18:30 LMT: 00:22:355 (4,5,6) - this i agree ye , gonna change it
18:30 BOUYAAA: 00:47:414 (3) - ignored vocals are very noticeable in the slow parts
18:31 BOUYAAA: 00:57:296 (1,2,3) - same here tbh it's so much more noticeabel than the feint synth
18:31 LMT: 00:57:296 (1,2,3) - this is more like violin
18:31 BOUYAAA: 00:58:355 (4) - and then there is also that super noticeableguitar on the sliderend which is a bit awkward
18:31 LMT: which comes in play here i think
18:31 BOUYAAA: 01:00:472 (8) - ye$
18:32 BOUYAAA: 01:02:767 (2,3) - and then suddently vocal focus xd
18:32 BOUYAAA: 01:13:884 (3) - should be snapped to blue
18:33 LMT: 01:02:767 (2,3) - this is more noticeable imo
18:33 BOUYAAA: 01:16:355 (1) - a good way of representign vocals in this case is to somehow put the kink where vocals land
18:34 BOUYAAA: imo it's not because 01:02:237 (1,2,3,4,1) - focuses on an instrument so at least i do not rly interpret vocals there. Might just be me though
18:35 BOUYAAA: 01:23:590 - if focus is on vocal you should map these
18:35 LMT: 01:02:237 (1,2,3,4,1) - tbh this thing kinda dilutes the vocals but like it's been so consistent so i can't ignore it
18:35 BOUYAAA: 01:34:708 (1) - nice nc
18:36 LMT: 01:23:414 (1) - ye
18:36 LMT: 01:34:708 (1) - lol how should i do this differently
18:36 BOUYAAA: chorus is where i had trouble with rythm a bit
18:36 LMT: like i'm kinda stuck lol
18:36 BOUYAAA: things are done well and consistently
18:37 BOUYAAA: however i think the triple should be on 01:35:061 (3) -
18:37 BOUYAAA: and not on the red tick before
18:37 BOUYAAA: that way emphasis is put on the strong beat
18:38 LMT: shouldn't the emphasis on the slider?
18:38 BOUYAAA: imo
18:38 BOUYAAA: slider doesn't emphasize much
18:38 BOUYAAA: i usually use it as a "fast" transition to the strong beat
18:38 LMT: ye but like when you play triple the last note has the most emphasis tho
18:38 BOUYAAA: makes much more sense to me
18:39 BOUYAAA: the last note of a stream rarely emphasizes anything
18:40 BOUYAAA: in your specific case at least i think it's make more sense to have the spacing and the triple on the strong beat
18:40 BOUYAAA: up to you
18:40 BOUYAAA: both work
18:40 BOUYAAA: i just think one is better xd
18:40 LMT: i'll think about it but like visually the slider as an emphasis makes more sense to me
18:40 BOUYAAA: 01:37:531 (1,2,3) - on thise i thought you emphasized vocals but i imagine you had drums in mind
18:41 LMT: like it looks and rhythmically makes more sense
18:41 BOUYAAA: idk
18:41 LMT: the reason why i didn't map the vocals on the previous measure and map it on this measure is cus
18:41 LMT: like later on on the last kiai
18:42 LMT: with the female vocals it is very different but like rhythm is the same
18:42 BOUYAAA: ye
18:42 LMT: 05:02:947 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) -
18:42 BOUYAAA: abotu that
18:42 BOUYAAA: if you wanna keep that pattern i suggest yopu hitsound vocals heavily
18:42 BOUYAAA: cuz i was like "????"
18:43 LMT: yea
18:43 BOUYAAA: even though it's right
18:43 LMT: hitsounds are so needed here lol
18:43 BOUYAAA: yea lol
18:43 LMT: but like that's what i thought would be correct
18:43 BOUYAAA: can work imo
18:43 BOUYAAA: withoût it it was rather confusing
18:44 BOUYAAA: real question
18:44 BOUYAAA: 02:26:993 - why are these not mapped as sliders
18:44 BOUYAAA: xd
18:44 BOUYAAA: 02:29:816 -
18:45 BOUYAAA: you map half the held vocals as sliders too so why not the other ones
18:46 BOUYAAA: other thing my head has trouble with
18:46 LMT: 02:26:590 (1) - like a slow down is needed here and i don't want to overmap the sliderend lol
18:46 BOUYAAA: but that is not necessarely an issue
18:46 BOUYAAA: overmazpping the sliderend is not a thing
18:46 BOUYAAA: especially when you have such a noticeable continuous sound
18:47 LMT: also there's a timing point there
18:47 BOUYAAA: 02:27:875 - also sound here
18:47 LMT: 02:26:590 (1) - uhhh that's like the guy is inhaling lol
18:47 BOUYAAA: i said sound
18:47 BOUYAAA: xd
18:48 LMT: xd
18:49 LMT: don't think i want to map that sound
18:49 BOUYAAA: 03:16:359 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - very hard to predict because
18:49 BOUYAAA: 03:14:947 (1,2) - and 03:14:241 (1,2,3) -
18:50 LMT: yea it was originaly repeats
18:50 BOUYAAA: i'd do repeats then
18:50 LMT: but like testplayers said it was underwhelming lol
18:50 LMT: i could do 1 repeat
18:52 LMT: and i spaced them a bit more
18:52 LMT: so you can see the followpoints
18:52 BOUYAAA: 04:09:300 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - nice patterns B)
18:52 LMT: XD
18:53 LMT: tbh i fucking love that pattern you used in that gd
18:53 BOUYAAA: 04:19:888 - that is what i'd call an underwhelming section
18:53 BOUYAAA: i'd probably abuse circles a bit more here
18:54 BOUYAAA: just so that heavy guitar feels like it's played
18:54 BOUYAAA: or something
18:54 BOUYAAA: 04:31:888 (1) - 1 2 3 xd
18:54 LMT: ye but like vocals is so strong here
18:54 LMT: oh i mean
18:55 LMT: it's meant to give contrast to
18:55 LMT: 04:33:124 (1,1,1) - stuff like these
18:55 BOUYAAA: repeats
18:55 BOUYAAA: same thing
18:55 BOUYAAA: just represents prominent soudns better
18:55 LMT: hmm could do that
18:56 BOUYAAA: 05:00:830 (1,3) - these soudn so offbeat idk xd
18:57 LMT: the underwhelming section
18:57 BOUYAAA: 04:59:947 (1) - here it at least lands on stuff
18:57 LMT: cus vocals lol
18:57 BOUYAAA: ye ik
18:58 LMT: yea about the underwhelming section
18:58 LMT: like uhh i can't ignore vocals
18:59 BOUYAAA: i'd just triple on them and not end the triple on them xd
18:59 BOUYAAA: prolly the fact that the whoel section is pretty much a deathstream that bothers me so much
18:59 LMT: 04:22:712 (1,2,3) - was talking about this xd
18:59 LMT: this section
18:59 BOUYAAA: o
19:00 BOUYAAA: yea i'm aware that you mapped vocals
19:00 BOUYAAA: keep in mind yoû don't have to change anything
19:00 BOUYAAA: just giving you my thoughts
19:00 LMT: but that wouldn't improve it either :^)
19:01 BOUYAAA: my reasoning is more that the guitar section is kinda special so i'd focus on guitar more
19:01 BOUYAAA: ye that's not what i'm saying either
19:01 LMT: i think we're talking about different things uhh
19:02 LMT: right so uhh what's the topic again
19:02 BOUYAAA: idk
19:02 BOUYAAA: xd
19:02 LMT: xd
19:02 BOUYAAA: 04:26:129 - this section?
19:04 LMT: ye
19:05 BOUYAAA: idk i was kinda monologuing
19:05 BOUYAAA: i'm lost
19:05 BOUYAAA: sorry
19:05 BOUYAAA: xd
19:05 LMT: lollll
19:06 LMT: ok só like how would you make that section denser rhythmically
19:06 BOUYAAA: there wasn't much more after that tbh
19:06 BOUYAAA: apart from the hitsound thing which we covered already
19:06 BOUYAAA: map is pretty fun tho
19:06 BOUYAAA: streams are cool
18:19 BOUYAAA: ye
18:19 *LMT is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1329273 Kamelot - Liar Liar (Wasteland Monarchy)]
18:20 BOUYAAA: bancho == retard
18:20 LMT: it's been pretty ded lately lol
18:26 BOUYAAA: mmmh
18:26 BOUYAAA: it's pretty good
18:27 BOUYAAA: There are some thigns i'd do differently though
18:27 LMT: feel free to point them out
18:28 BOUYAAA: 00:13:178 (3,4,5,6) - i prefer it when the kickslider points away from the pattern like here 00:16:002 (3,4,5,6) -
18:28 BOUYAAA: makes it more readable for me somehow
18:28 BOUYAAA: differentiates the triple better
18:29 BOUYAAA: 00:22:178 (3,4,5) - sometimes transitions are very uncomfortable to play because spacing changes while angles being very obtuse
18:30 LMT: 00:22:355 (4,5,6) - this i agree ye , gonna change it
18:30 BOUYAAA: 00:47:414 (3) - ignored vocals are very noticeable in the slow parts
18:31 BOUYAAA: 00:57:296 (1,2,3) - same here tbh it's so much more noticeabel than the feint synth
18:31 LMT: 00:57:296 (1,2,3) - this is more like violin
18:31 BOUYAAA: 00:58:355 (4) - and then there is also that super noticeableguitar on the sliderend which is a bit awkward
18:31 LMT: which comes in play here i think
18:31 BOUYAAA: 01:00:472 (8) - ye$
18:32 BOUYAAA: 01:02:767 (2,3) - and then suddently vocal focus xd
18:32 BOUYAAA: 01:13:884 (3) - should be snapped to blue
18:33 LMT: 01:02:767 (2,3) - this is more noticeable imo
18:33 BOUYAAA: 01:16:355 (1) - a good way of representign vocals in this case is to somehow put the kink where vocals land
18:34 BOUYAAA: imo it's not because 01:02:237 (1,2,3,4,1) - focuses on an instrument so at least i do not rly interpret vocals there. Might just be me though
18:35 BOUYAAA: 01:23:590 - if focus is on vocal you should map these
18:35 LMT: 01:02:237 (1,2,3,4,1) - tbh this thing kinda dilutes the vocals but like it's been so consistent so i can't ignore it
18:35 BOUYAAA: 01:34:708 (1) - nice nc
18:36 LMT: 01:23:414 (1) - ye
18:36 LMT: 01:34:708 (1) - lol how should i do this differently
18:36 BOUYAAA: chorus is where i had trouble with rythm a bit
18:36 LMT: like i'm kinda stuck lol
18:36 BOUYAAA: things are done well and consistently
18:37 BOUYAAA: however i think the triple should be on 01:35:061 (3) -
18:37 BOUYAAA: and not on the red tick before
18:37 BOUYAAA: that way emphasis is put on the strong beat
18:38 LMT: shouldn't the emphasis on the slider?
18:38 BOUYAAA: imo
18:38 BOUYAAA: slider doesn't emphasize much
18:38 BOUYAAA: i usually use it as a "fast" transition to the strong beat
18:38 LMT: ye but like when you play triple the last note has the most emphasis tho
18:38 BOUYAAA: makes much more sense to me
18:39 BOUYAAA: the last note of a stream rarely emphasizes anything
18:40 BOUYAAA: in your specific case at least i think it's make more sense to have the spacing and the triple on the strong beat
18:40 BOUYAAA: up to you
18:40 BOUYAAA: both work
18:40 BOUYAAA: i just think one is better xd
18:40 LMT: i'll think about it but like visually the slider as an emphasis makes more sense to me
18:40 BOUYAAA: 01:37:531 (1,2,3) - on thise i thought you emphasized vocals but i imagine you had drums in mind
18:41 LMT: like it looks and rhythmically makes more sense
18:41 BOUYAAA: idk
18:41 LMT: the reason why i didn't map the vocals on the previous measure and map it on this measure is cus
18:41 LMT: like later on on the last kiai
18:42 LMT: with the female vocals it is very different but like rhythm is the same
18:42 BOUYAAA: ye
18:42 LMT: 05:02:947 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) -
18:42 BOUYAAA: abotu that
18:42 BOUYAAA: if you wanna keep that pattern i suggest yopu hitsound vocals heavily
18:42 BOUYAAA: cuz i was like "????"
18:43 LMT: yea
18:43 BOUYAAA: even though it's right
18:43 LMT: hitsounds are so needed here lol
18:43 BOUYAAA: yea lol
18:43 LMT: but like that's what i thought would be correct
18:43 BOUYAAA: can work imo
18:43 BOUYAAA: withoût it it was rather confusing
18:44 BOUYAAA: real question
18:44 BOUYAAA: 02:26:993 - why are these not mapped as sliders
18:44 BOUYAAA: xd
18:44 BOUYAAA: 02:29:816 -
18:45 BOUYAAA: you map half the held vocals as sliders too so why not the other ones
18:46 BOUYAAA: other thing my head has trouble with
18:46 LMT: 02:26:590 (1) - like a slow down is needed here and i don't want to overmap the sliderend lol
18:46 BOUYAAA: but that is not necessarely an issue
18:46 BOUYAAA: overmazpping the sliderend is not a thing
18:46 BOUYAAA: especially when you have such a noticeable continuous sound
18:47 LMT: also there's a timing point there
18:47 BOUYAAA: 02:27:875 - also sound here
18:47 LMT: 02:26:590 (1) - uhhh that's like the guy is inhaling lol
18:47 BOUYAAA: i said sound
18:47 BOUYAAA: xd
18:48 LMT: xd
18:49 LMT: don't think i want to map that sound
18:49 BOUYAAA: 03:16:359 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - very hard to predict because
18:49 BOUYAAA: 03:14:947 (1,2) - and 03:14:241 (1,2,3) -
18:50 LMT: yea it was originaly repeats
18:50 BOUYAAA: i'd do repeats then
18:50 LMT: but like testplayers said it was underwhelming lol
18:50 LMT: i could do 1 repeat
18:52 LMT: and i spaced them a bit more
18:52 LMT: so you can see the followpoints
18:52 BOUYAAA: 04:09:300 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - nice patterns B)
18:52 LMT: XD
18:53 LMT: tbh i fucking love that pattern you used in that gd
18:53 BOUYAAA: 04:19:888 - that is what i'd call an underwhelming section
18:53 BOUYAAA: i'd probably abuse circles a bit more here
18:54 BOUYAAA: just so that heavy guitar feels like it's played
18:54 BOUYAAA: or something
18:54 BOUYAAA: 04:31:888 (1) - 1 2 3 xd
18:54 LMT: ye but like vocals is so strong here
18:54 LMT: oh i mean
18:55 LMT: it's meant to give contrast to
18:55 LMT: 04:33:124 (1,1,1) - stuff like these
18:55 BOUYAAA: repeats
18:55 BOUYAAA: same thing
18:55 BOUYAAA: just represents prominent soudns better
18:55 LMT: hmm could do that
18:56 BOUYAAA: 05:00:830 (1,3) - these soudn so offbeat idk xd
18:57 LMT: the underwhelming section
18:57 BOUYAAA: 04:59:947 (1) - here it at least lands on stuff
18:57 LMT: cus vocals lol
18:57 BOUYAAA: ye ik
18:58 LMT: yea about the underwhelming section
18:58 LMT: like uhh i can't ignore vocals
18:59 BOUYAAA: i'd just triple on them and not end the triple on them xd
18:59 BOUYAAA: prolly the fact that the whoel section is pretty much a deathstream that bothers me so much
18:59 LMT: 04:22:712 (1,2,3) - was talking about this xd
18:59 LMT: this section
18:59 BOUYAAA: o
19:00 BOUYAAA: yea i'm aware that you mapped vocals
19:00 BOUYAAA: keep in mind yoû don't have to change anything
19:00 BOUYAAA: just giving you my thoughts
19:00 LMT: but that wouldn't improve it either :^)
19:01 BOUYAAA: my reasoning is more that the guitar section is kinda special so i'd focus on guitar more
19:01 BOUYAAA: ye that's not what i'm saying either
19:01 LMT: i think we're talking about different things uhh
19:02 LMT: right so uhh what's the topic again
19:02 BOUYAAA: idk
19:02 BOUYAAA: xd
19:02 LMT: xd
19:02 BOUYAAA: 04:26:129 - this section?
19:04 LMT: ye
19:05 BOUYAAA: idk i was kinda monologuing
19:05 BOUYAAA: i'm lost
19:05 BOUYAAA: sorry
19:05 BOUYAAA: xd
19:05 LMT: lollll
19:06 LMT: ok só like how would you make that section denser rhythmically
19:06 BOUYAAA: there wasn't much more after that tbh
19:06 BOUYAAA: apart from the hitsound thing which we covered already
19:06 BOUYAAA: map is pretty fun tho
19:06 BOUYAAA: streams are cool