Powerless feat. kakichoco - Vanity · forum

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-08-18T15:07:39+00:00

I will respond and apply when i get home. Possibly today or tomorrow.

Kurai wrote:
J'en ai marre de rien faire à cause de ma fièvre donc je me suis dit pourquoi pas essayer de modder ce magnifique mapset ?

[Nao's Insane]
00:24:691 (1) - It's not perfectly aligned recreated the pattern properly
Why is the spacing between 00:34:691 (1,2) - higher than between 00:34:857 (2,3) - when the drum intensity is actually lower? Spacing between 00:34:857 (2,3) - should be the same as between 00:35:024 (3,4) - in my opinion. adjusted
00:56:524 (5) - I think the spacing after this circle should be higher than before it in order to emphasize the cymbals better on (6). adjusted
01:06:941 (4,1) - Why is the spacing higher here but not with 01:07:274 (4,1) - ? created a visual separation
from 00:59:024 - to 01:07:357 - Just like in the other Insane, I don't really like how the NC are used only for aesthetical purposes. the NCs are used here to denote 1/1 gaps vs 1/2 gaps. since the rhythm changes between 1/2 and 1/1 very often, and i used spacing emphasis for the patterns (meaning that spacing cannot be used to determine 1/1 vs 1/2 snapping), denoting each 1/1 gap with an NC is my way of making it simpler for the player to figure out which is 1/1 and which is 1/2 gap.
01:07:357 - this section is not hitsounded added some default soft whistles to highlight vocals and offbeat rhythms. using the drum hitsounding seems a bit too loud for this part for me, hopefully this will suffice.
01:36:690 (1) - I would rather you had a spinner here as it is the only difficulty without any. i don't like spinners much. i prefer a slider,
but a spinner would fit here. if you insist, a spinner can be placed.
also i remapped the intro cuz it was way too dense lmao

[cereal's Arrogance]
01:07:357 - this section is not hitsounded
C'est quoi cette diff mdr
Didn't spend much time on the two last difficulties because tired. I'll develop more if I ever recheck this, but as for now, I believe you should get more mods before trying to rank this set.

thanks!
https://pastebin.com/raw/wLdrshhJ

additionally, a mod for celerih and real (i didnt distinguish between parts cuz lazy, sorry)

[arrogance]
00:06:024 (1,4) - these kinds of things suck for rhythm imo. your rhythm elsewhere is purely vocal based; you have no business switching off of vocals to map piano notes, no matter how loud they are (in the case on 1) and on 4 you end up ignoring a vocal hold to switch to some fairly minor pianos as well. you'd be betteer off making a 1/1 slider at 00:06:690 - anyway

this intro part is way too dense. compare it to the kiai, it has very similar rhythm density... (i noticed this on my diff too, so i reduced the density a lot. you may want to do something similar.)

00:21:357 - imo a click here would make sense since there's another "syllable" enunciated

00:31:524 (1,2) - plz ctrl g, there's nothing on this red tick at 00:31:857 - ...

00:32:357 (4) - same here, nothing noticable so having a stack there seems weird; a slider on 00:32:190 (3) - makes more sense

00:34:857 (1,2,3) - these 3 notes are much more prominent in the song, but due to your absurdly high base spacing the only emphasis they have is the nc and direction change; you should space them out more.

00:36:857 (1,2) - ctrl g
all these need to be ctrl g'd, it makes no sense to have this loud drum hit on a slider end and then a click on nothing.

00:46:024 - this section is very messy rhythm wise.
00:46:024 (1,2,3,4) - this stuff sets up the idea that you'll be following vocals (which is fine, if a bit damaging to contrast imo)
but then you get 00:48:524 (6,1,2) - which switches entirely to drums and skips the vocal hold. similarly 00:49:024 (3) - should therefore be 2 circles and 00:51:190 (4,1) - should be a slider.

00:50:024 (1) - dude the vocal's on the white tick looool

00:56:690 (1) - this section is much better about it, good job!
however some of your visual spacing looks a bit weird:
00:58:357 (3,4,5) - could be more evenly spaced

01:00:024 (3,4,3) - same

01:03:690 (2,4,1) - same

01:07:023 (5) - a was to distinguish these 4 as different could be cool (maybe im biased cuz i did something there tho)

01:09:190 (3,4) - 1/1 slider fits a bit better with the vocal hold, or 3/4

01:11:190 (1,2) - same

01:17:690 (3,2) - overlap... plz...

01:21:524 (2,3) - wtf is this fullscreen jump following? you have a 1/1 repeat on the two important vocals, i suggest you break that up and put jumps on those instead of on random filler things that are not in the song >.>

01:22:357 (2,3,4) - wouldn't ctrl g on this rhythm fit the vocals much better?

the 2nd half of the kiai is significantly easier than the first. without the first half, the SR is 4.92. to be honest, personally, i think the 2nd kiai's spacing is a bit better; there was more spacing contrast, due to overall lower base spacing. i suggest nerfing the first half to be less of a diff spike, and bring the sr down to around 5, then it would be possible to diversify the spacing more.

Last edited by Nao Tomori 2017-08-18T23:50:50+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Kyuukai 2017-08-18T18:01:27+00:00

Kurai wrote:
J'en ai marre de rien faire à cause de ma fièvre donc je me suis dit pourquoi pas essayer de modder ce magnifique mapset ?
[Normal]
00:30:024 (1,2,3) - In order to better reflect the piano (higher at the beginning and lower at the end), I believe you should vertically flip this pattern in order that when the low piano note is played, the cursor in going downward.
00:30:024 (1) - It is pretty disrupting not to have a circle here as you are ignoring a strong drum beat. It is much more intuitive to have one more circle here than just having nothing as it will confuse the player who may end up misclicking 00:34:857 (6) - : http://up.kuraip.net/0818H1Q447r2562.png
00:44:357 (3) - Since you are actively following the drums here, it would make more sense to end this slider at 00:44:690 - (i.e. shorten it by 1/2).
01:27:357 - Mapping this is not a good idea because there is nothing actually intelligible here. You should rather focus on the drums. This means you should map this section like this:
SPOILER
01:27:857 - However you could definitely map this as it would emphasize the drums 01:28:024 (5) - is following.
[Kyunada's Insane]
00:04:690 - I believe having a whistle here would significantly improve how your pattern sound!
00:12:690 - ^
00:15:357 - ^
00:15:857 - ^
01:00:690 (2,3,4) - Badly aligned
from 00:59:024 - to 01:07:357 - Just like in the other Insane, I don't really like how the NC are used only for aesthetical purposes.
from 00:46:024 - to 01:07:357 - I believe you should rework this section a bit. The jumps lack consistency as sometimes you've got large jumps and and sometimes at similar places you've got nothing. Sometimes the spacing is high for no reason as there is nothing to emphasize, and when there actually is something to emphasize, you just ignore it. I believe you are focusing to much on the aesthetics of your patterns which unfortunately affects the flow. I have mentioned some of those issues above so I'll assume you understand what I'm talking about, if you don't, don't hesitate to ask me on Discord.
01:36:690 (1) - It would make much more sense to start this slider on the right side of the screen so that you have a V with 01:36:024 (1,2,3,4,1) - .
Didn't spend much time on the two last difficulties because tired. I'll develop more if I ever recheck this, but as for now, I believe you should get more mods before trying to rank this set.

all fixed
Fixed hitsounding for all diffs

Realazy

Elite Mapper

1,004 posts

Joined June 2011

Realazy 2017-08-19T23:04:14+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[arrogance]

01:00:024 (3,4,3) - same this one bugs me because i think it looks fine as is? fixed the other visual distance things though

01:07:023 (5) - a was to distinguish these 4 as different could be cool (maybe im biased cuz i did something there tho) yea i guess it's fine as it is rn, none of the streams of this length in the map are based on 4 note patterns so it should be okay

the 2nd half of the kiai is significantly easier than the first. without the first half, the SR is 4.92. to be honest, personally, i think the 2nd kiai's spacing is a bit better; there was more spacing contrast, due to overall lower base spacing. i suggest nerfing the first half to be less of a diff spike, and bring the sr down to around 5, then it would be possible to diversify the spacing more. so i reworked some rhythms in the first part of the kiai to make it more dense as it's the climax of the song so i don't think 1/1 repeats would fit that well, and ended up buffing the second part instead because it makes it stand out more from the verse which is still pretty spaced also yolo

finally a mod where i can fix stuff!!

applied things for celerih as he is unable to reply rn

Linada

994 posts

Joined November 2014

Linada 2017-08-20T17:35:33+00:00

Kurai wrote:
[Kyunada's Insane]
00:26:857 (5) - This slider should go in the same direction as 00:26:357 (3) - and not in the opposite one otherwise you lose all the rhythmical similarity between those drum beats. tho i think it's already really similar, since it's the same movement and spacing between 2-3 and 4-5
00:27:857 (2,1) - I don't know if it's my eyes playing tricks on me again, but they are not perfectly aligned, right? xp it was pixel off, fixed
00:29:524 (5) - Same comment as before kinda changed it
00:34:690 (4,5) - You should not have a jump between those circles as if you have the spacing as for 00:34:857 (5,6,7) - , you lose all the emphasis you have on the intensity of the drums with 00:34:857 (5,6,7) - .i believe that have spacing between 4 and 5 is nice because if there is no jump between them, i'll lose all the intensity of the first snare
00:42:690 (3,4) - You should not have such a large spacing between those circles here as you are putting more emphasis on (4) that is not put on anything in particular whereas (3) has absolutely no emphasis while it is supposed to reflect this unusual high-pitched piano note. fixed

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Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-08-21T15:49:36+00:00

mon ami lumy

Wormi

200 posts

Joined November 2014

Wormi 2017-08-22T17:50:03+00:00

Kurai wrote:
[Wormi's Hard]
00:04:690 - I believe having a whistle here would significantly improve how your pattern sound! sure, blame hitsound copy
00:12:690 - ^
00:15:357 - ^
00:25:190 (2,3) - I don't think having a jump here makes much sense as you are usually using jumps to emphasize the piano (which does deserve emphasis as they are placed on upbeats) like for 00:26:857 (4,1) - and 00:30:024 (1) - . If you want to emphasize those strong drum beats, I would suggest you use a lower spacing than for the piano jumps (something inbetween 1,50x and 2,00x). This also goes for all the other similar jumps. okay, changed
00:41:690 (4,1,2,3,4) - Not really fan of how those brown sliders overlap the blue ones. It hinders readability and it is not good-looking either.changed the whole pattern
00:42:357 (2,3,4) - I don't like how you are putting zero emphasis on 00:42:690 - when it actually is a dominant piano note. I would rather you stopped following the logic behind 00:39:524 (1,2,3,4) - and other patterns and started focusing on the piano here. hum, added spacing emphasis here, it also doesn't anymore overlap with the sliderhead
00:48:024 - You should have a circle here, ignoring a such a strong drum beat is rather disrupting here. fixed
00:50:357 (2) - I would delete this circle in order to accentuate the drums. don't think so, keeping like it is
00:58:524 (3) - I understand that you are silmuteanously following the vocals and the drums, but I still believe have more impact than the vocals. Therefore I would rather you mapped both 00:58:524 - and 00:58:690 - or just 00:58:690 - (but not only 00:58:524 - has it has less power than 00:58:690 - ). changed

Arutsuki

630 posts

Joined December 2015

Arutsuki 2017-08-23T20:29:48+00:00

Lumy's set was better tbhbh

thank Lazy

WingSilent

2,982 posts

Joined August 2012

WingSilent 2017-08-25T19:42:59+00:00

Arutsuki wrote:
Lumy's set was better

Thanks.

But i am sorry to say that i deleted my set for an undefined time.
Also,

Kyuukai wrote:
I'm trying to rank this map for a friend named Lumy, he's out of the game atm so...

I am not here to inflate the mess but to clear it up, so..
First of all, you are wasting your time trying to rank something i do not want anymore.
I have never asked you to rank something for me.

Also, i am not, as you thought, out of osu! until i'm loosing the pleasure to enjoy the game.

And sorry, i am not your friend, along with the fact we've never been friends and obviously we won't ever be friends.

I am just a mapper/storyboarder that enjoy mapping great songs at their true value, wich includes, for example, their full lenght without cuts, or even a full mapset only by my sole hands, even storyboarding, and i don't give a shit about if they're going to be ranked or not. That's my decisions.

Now keep enjoying mapping as you wanted, and leave me, i won't be responding.

Nozhomi

Global Moderator

4,568 posts

Joined May 2013

Nozhomi 2017-08-25T20:29:10+00:00

Thx to not kd post who don't need~

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Kyuukai 2017-08-25T20:30:27+00:00

Arutsuki wrote:
Lumy's set was better tbhbh

thank Lazy

Yea I know, I wish I could map like him

Lumy wrote:
Arutsuki wrote:
Lumy's set was better
Thanks.

But i am sorry to say that i deleted my set for an undefined time.
Also,
Kyuukai wrote:
I'm trying to rank this map for a friend named Lumy, he's out of the game atm so...
I am not here to inflate the mess but to clear it up, so..
First of all, you are wasting your time trying to rank something i do not want anymore.

Also, i am not, as you thought, out of osu! until i'm loosing the pleasure to enjoy the game.

And sorry, i am not your friend, along with the fact we've never been friends and obviously we won't ever be friends.

I am just a mapper/storyboarder that enjoy mapping great songs at their true value, wich includes, for example, their full lenght without cuts, or even a full mapset only by my sole hands, even storyboarding, and i don't give a shit about if they're going to be ranked or not. That's my decisions.

Now keep enjoying mapping as you wanted, and leave me, i won't be responding.

I thought we were friends... I really loved your mapset, why you deleted it

Yes you are a great mapper, and I respect that, but you can't judge me for cutting your song, I thought you would rank your set before mine but most people just prefers playing short length maps instead of long maps

Please don't bother me or trashtalk if I'm trying to rank it, It's none of your business now

Nozhomi wrote:
Thx to not kd post who don't need~

I'm sorry, missclicked

Testo

603 posts

Joined November 2014

Testo 2017-08-26T16:46:01+00:00

hi
[Sotarks' Arrogance]

00:07:024 - 00:17:690 - why you ignore piano here? imo its strong enough
00:45:190 (3,1) - bad overlap
00:47:357 (5) - 00:50:024 (5) -

[cereal's Extra]

00:06:190 (5,6) - stack?
01:22:357 (2) - imo 2 notes will be better

[Nao's Insane]

00:28:024 (3,3) - stack
01:17:191 (1,2,3,4,5) - I think its too hard for vocal only

gl

DeletedUser_423548

DeletedUser_423548 2017-08-27T09:19:34+00:00

m4m

General

Kakiless is the name of a circle. The artist is Kakichoco
https://diverse.direct/kakiless/odyssey/
Please align the Tag of Sotarks' Arrogance

Psionic & Kin's Easy

00:15:524 (3) - There is no piano sound at the beginning of the slider
00:22:024 - It might be better to add circle as it is very loud
00:44:357 - This sound should pick up

Normal

00:59:024 - I think that it is good to pick up this sound
01:20:357 - You should pick it up here as well to vocal
01:25:690 - 01:31:024 - 01:36:357 - ^

Wormi's Hard

00:01:357 (3) - This slider does not pick up lyrics
00:04:024 (2,3,4) - I think the same rhythm is the best
00:34:190 (1,2) - Can not stack?
00:41:357 (3,4) - 00:42:357 (2,3) - Why are the distances different?
00:38:690 (3,4,2,3) - You should keep this distance

Kyunada's Insane

Good map

Good song!
Best luck!

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Kyuukai 2017-08-27T13:13:58+00:00

Yasaija 714 wrote:
m4m

General
Kakiless is the name of a circle. The artist is Kakichoco
https://diverse.direct/kakiless/odyssey/ "Tracks created by composers belonging to doujin circles should list the circle's name as the main composer." from ranking criteria
Please align the Tag of Sotarks' Arrogance fixed
Normal
00:59:024 - I think that it is good to pick up this sound
01:20:357 - You should pick it up here as well to vocal
01:25:690 - 01:31:024 - 01:36:357 - ^
Mainly mapped drums, so I don't feel like adding notes where you linked me, sorry !

Kyunada's Insane

Good map Thank you xd
Good song!
Best luck!

Thanks for modding !

Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-08-27T13:35:05+00:00

thx

osu file format v14

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Lumy's map was better

Wormi

200 posts

Joined November 2014

Wormi 2017-08-27T16:35:41+00:00

Yasaija 714 wrote:
Wormi's Hard
00:01:357 (3) - This slider does not pick up lyrics Simplified rythm here since it's the beginning of the map, I want it to be progressive
00:04:024 (2,3,4) - I think the same rhythm is the best
00:34:190 (1,2) - Can not stack? ??? being consistant with 00:33:190 (2,3,4) - which has basically the same sounds
00:41:357 (3,4) - 00:42:357 (2,3) - Why are the distances different? emphasing the high pitched "ding" as Kurai suggested
00:38:690 (3,4,2,3) - You should keep this distance

well, no changes

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-08-28T19:08:17+00:00

yes

@kyuukai you could fix that pixel stack for me that testo pointed out. i can't exactly make a low ds'd pentagon any easier to play, so no change here

Lama Poluna

796 posts

Joined June 2014

Lama Poluna 2017-09-01T13:05:37+00:00

yaaaaaaaaas Kakiless on artist!

Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-10-05T14:04:52+00:00

rank vanity

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Kyuukai 2017-10-05T19:01:30+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
rank vanity

BN wher

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-10-08T22:16:12+00:00

It can't be that hard to find xc

Aurele

osu! Alumni

7,408 posts

Joined January 2011

Aurele 2017-10-08T22:18:29+00:00

you guys are weak

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Kyuukai 2017-10-09T00:03:02+00:00

Nao pls bubble ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Nevo

Global Moderator

1,176 posts

Joined November 2015

Nevo 2018-01-30T22:54:42+00:00

normal
01:27:524 (4,5) - ds between these isnt consistent with the rest of the map

Kyunada's Insane
00:12:690 (5) - you could make this a repeat and just have a circle at 00:13:190 (6) - i dont know why but how you currently have it where 00:13:024 is a 1/2 slider makes me feel like there should be something afterword if that makes sense or just do it to be consistent with 00:10:024 (5,6) - xd
01:07:357 (1) - this note is less spaced than rest of stream maybe fix
01:21:024 (2) - stack is off
01:32:024 (3) - stack is off
01:36:690 (1) - <3

Nao's Insane
00:13:191 (5) - stack is off
00:26:357 (5,7) - these are not perfect overlaps if you stack the tail of 00:26:857 (7) - to the head of 00:26:357 (5) -
ok yeah nao i tried.

cereal's Extra
maybe use hp6 so its not less than nao's diff
00:26:190 (5) - nc this and unnc 00:26:357 (1) - to keep consistency with 00:28:857 (1,2) - and 00:31:524 (1,2) -
00:34:357 (3,4) - maybe dont stack these as it kinda deemphasizes 00:34:524 (4) - imo you could stack 00:34:357 (3) - to 00:34:190 (2) - to be consistent with your previous stacks like 00:31:524 (1,2) - and 00:28:857 (1,2) - and 00:26:190 (5,1) -
00:43:524 (1) - you could make this a 1/2 slider and then place a circle at 00:43:857 - so the kick is clickable also because like 00:43:690 - isn't as intense of a beat
01:04:690 (1) - blanket on tail could be better xd

Sotarks' Arrogance
maybe make od just 9
00:12:690 (1) - maybe make this 2 circles to be rhythmically consistent with 00:02:024 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
00:10:857 (10) - maybe blanket
01:01:357 (9) - spacing her could probably be lower since imo this beat isn't as intense as things like 00:45:357 (4,5) -
01:06:524 (9) - i get its the end of the section but the jump here shouldn't be larger spacing as kiai jumps like 01:22:690 (1,2,1,2) - or 01:31:190 (11,1) - maybe stack 01:06:524 (9) - with the head of 01:04:190 (8) - or something xd
00:31:690 (6) - pretty subjective but maybe move this a little to the left so the visual spacing of 00:31:024 (4,6) - and 00:30:024 (1,3) - are the same
00:45:690 (6) - nc here since its kinda the same thing you did at 00:24:357 (1) -
00:54:357 (2) - you could prob make this two circles kinda how you did 01:05:024 (2,3) - for consistency and also to reflect the vocal

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Kyuukai 2018-01-30T23:08:15+00:00

no reply = fixed

Nevo wrote:
normal
01:27:524 (4,5) - ds between these isnt consistent with the rest of the map

Kyunada's Insane
00:12:690 (5) - you could make this a repeat and just have a circle at 00:13:190 (6) - i dont know why but how you currently have it where 00:13:024 is a 1/2 slider makes me feel like there should be something afterword if that makes sense or just do it to be consistent with 00:10:024 (5,6) - xd I think it follows the vocals pretty well there tho, I made 00:12:690 - clickable because vocals are stronger here compared to 00:12:524 -
01:07:357 (1) - this note is less spaced than rest of stream maybe fix
01:21:024 (2) - stack is off
01:32:024 (3) - stack is off
01:36:690 (1) - <3 gay <3l

aaaaa

celerih

617 posts

Joined July 2014

celerih 2018-01-31T00:58:35+00:00

Replying for myself and Real per his request

Nevo wrote:
cereal's Extra
maybe use hp6 so its not less than nao's diff Would be better of the Insane nerfed the HP a bit too, but sure I'll up it a bit
00:26:190 (5) - nc this and unnc 00:26:357 (1) - to keep consistency with 00:28:857 (1,2) - and 00:31:524 (1,2) - done
00:34:357 (3,4) - maybe dont stack these as it kinda deemphasizes 00:34:524 (4) - imo you could stack 00:34:357 (3) - to 00:34:190 (2) - to be consistent with your previous stacks like 00:31:524 (1,2) - and 00:28:857 (1,2) - and 00:26:190 (5,1) - good catch, fixed
00:43:524 (1) - you could make this a 1/2 slider and then place a circle at 00:43:857 - so the kick is clickable also because like 00:43:690 - isn't as intense of a beat ya that was a dumb rhythm choice, fixed
01:04:690 (1) - blanket on tail could be better xd done

New diff

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Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2018-01-31T04:05:09+00:00

https://pastebin.com/raw/D1TySgNK applied

hp6 is bog standard for 180 bpm 1:30 maps so no need to change @celerih -_-

Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2018-01-31T09:43:48+00:00

Nevo wrote:
Sotarks' Arrogance
maybe make od just 9 sure
00:12:690 (1) - maybe make this 2 circles to be rhythmically consistent with 00:02:024 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ok
00:10:857 (10) - maybe blanket didn't want to blanket here
01:01:357 (9) - spacing her could probably be lower since imo this beat isn't as intense as things like 00:45:357 (4,5) - wanna get snare emphasis
01:06:524 (9) - i get its the end of the section but the jump here shouldn't be larger spacing as kiai jumps like 01:22:690 (1,2,1,2) - or 01:31:190 (11,1) - maybe stack 01:06:524 (9) - with the head of 01:04:190 (8) - or something xd did smth
00:31:690 (6) - pretty subjective but maybe move this a little to the left so the visual spacing of 00:31:024 (4,6) - and 00:30:024 (1,3) - are the same k
00:45:690 (6) - nc here since its kinda the same thing you did at 00:24:357 (1) - ok
00:54:357 (2) - you could prob make this two circles kinda how you did 01:05:024 (2,3) - for consistency and also to reflect the vocal prefer keep here

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Nevo

Global Moderator

1,176 posts

Joined November 2015

Nevo 2018-01-31T20:28:15+00:00

what does this button do?

Bubbled!

Pachiru

osu! Alumni

2,957 posts

Joined June 2013

Pachiru 2018-01-31T20:29:22+00:00

~~GRATZ PSIONIC ON YOUR FIRST RANKED GD !!!!!!!!!~~

ah ok c'est juste bubble oups

Nevo

Global Moderator

1,176 posts

Joined November 2015

Nevo 2018-01-31T21:09:55+00:00

rebubbled!

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 2018-01-31T22:00:01+00:00

Since it's v1 you don't need to rebubble but make the diff settings on the lower diffs a bit more balanced? Easy and Normal are both HP 3, and AR 7 on Hard is kinda low but that's a bit more subjective.

(Also background was already used here: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/344898 if you care)

Nevo

Global Moderator

1,176 posts

Joined November 2015

Nevo 2018-01-31T23:00:28+00:00

Monstrata wrote:
Since it's v1 you don't need to rebubble but make the diff settings on the lower diffs a bit more balanced? Easy and Normal are both HP 3, and AR 7 on Hard is kinda low but that's a bit more subjective.

Monstrata brings up a pretty good point I think you should change the hp of easy to 2 sorry

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Kyuukai 2018-01-31T23:05:13+00:00

Alright then reduced the HP to 2 on the Easy diff and increased the AR on the Hard diff to 7.5
About the background I think it's fine keeping it as it doesn't show that one when browsing the website x)

Chromoxx

904 posts

Joined August 2012

Chromoxx 2018-02-03T04:49:37+00:00

cereal extra
01:20:690 (1,3) - this could be a blanket tbh
01:21:024 (2,1) - this could too

Nao's Insane
00:23:524 (1,2,3,4) - this would have a cooler effect imo if you ctrl G'ed and started it on the head of 00:24:691 (1) - instead, would also be somewhat easier identify 00:24:357 (1) -
01:06:524 - you're missing a drum here

rest looks fine lol

celerih

617 posts

Joined July 2014

celerih 2018-02-03T14:47:57+00:00

Chromoxx wrote:
cereal extra
01:20:690 (1,3) - this could be a blanket tbh done
01:21:024 (2,1) - this could too that's not a blanket tho??? Plus both objects are never on screen time at the same time, so blanketing would do nothing

rest looks fine lol

@kyuukai: 01:20:690 (1) - move this to x;412 y:312 pls for me. Not really worth putting an entirely new .osu for one object

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1st thing would kind of screw up my stack pattern - and also i did that pattern cuz i think the 1/4 is like a faster version of 1/2 so it works nicely.
https://pastebin.com/raw/tVsfArqF update it this time plz

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Bonsai 2018-02-04T23:50:32+00:00

Have there been any mods for the (apparently very new) Psionic & Kin's Easy beside the three points from Yasaija 714 which haven't been responded to yet? Anyways, I have some major concerns about that diff:

Intro section:
1. First of all, what is the hitsounding on 00:06:690 (2,3) - 00:17:357 (2,3) supposed to follow? I almost looks like you want to emphasize the vocals here, but that doesn't work since the vocals have been completely ignored in every other aspect everywhere here. Hitsounding should compliment your mapping, so either map something different, or hitsound in a different way.
2. Out of the eight combos in this section, seven combos use the exact same rhythm. That's extremely monotonous and boring to play, and the song has much more to offer than just that. Please try being more creative, maybe by following/including a different layer of the song that does more than just repeating itself (for example vocals).
3. The one time you use a different rhythm here, I don't really see why. Neither 00:05:024 nor 00:05:690 seem to land on anything that you're following in your mapping, why are those beats mapped? Easy-diffs don't need to be filled with filler-rhythms, don't be afraid to offer a bit of a "rest" for the player.
4. 00:15:524 - As Yasaija pointed out in their mod, there is nothing at all here in the song. You mapped it differently the first time that occured, why did you just repeat the other monotonous rhythm here? It doesn't fit the music at all
00:28:357 (2) - Why is this slider reversed / what is it supposed to follow? I don't hear any special note on the reversed part of the sliderbody or on the tail at 00:29:690
00:34:690 (3,4) - Rhythm-wise, these two circles are special as they're completely different to the previous rhythms and object-choices, but the hitsounding doesn't reflect that - Try using a Clap instead of the Whistle on (3) so that these two circles work better together, right now the (3) is hitsounded like an ordinary filler-note and only (4) stands out, but in the map they both stand out, which should ideally be represented in the hitsounding too.
00:43:357 (3,1,2) - The rhythmic patterning gets interrupted here, but there isn't really any indication why that happens - 00:44:690 is the first note after this extraordinary big gap between 00:43:357 (3,1) but there is no beat there at all in the song, and there isn't any hitsounding on that note either, so why is it even mapped and emphasized more than anything else because of that special, big gap before it?
In the section from 00:46:024 onwards I have no clue what the rhythms are supposed to follow or represent. Just looking at 00:46:024 (1,2,3) -, this combo does clearly not follow neither piano nor drums since there are more notes of that layer ignored than mapped, and the vocals have strong emphasis on 00:47:357 and 00:47:857 which are either mapped as slidertails or not mapped at all. The following combos don't make much more sense to me either. I'd offer suggestions on how to improve it, but honestly I don't know what you where trying to go for, so please try to make that more clear in your mapping. Additionally, the hitsounding is extremely lacking again, as for example 00:47:024 (2,3) doesn't have any hitsound at all.
01:11:690 (2) - What's this slider following? So far, this section seems like you're trying to follow vocals, but the vocals have a break during the reverse of 01:10:024 (1) but start again at 01:11:190 which is also imo a much stronger note than any of the following notes, so why is there a big gap around that new vocal line, the next object (2) only emphasizing the middle of that line?
01:13:024 (1) - The tail of the previous slider and this slider go against natural beat priority without any apparent reason - At 01:12:690 there is that strong downbeat that starts a new rhythm, but you're only starting to suddenly emphasize that rhythm with the sliderhead and new combo at 01:13:024 which is offbeat (see this for some musical background (it's not the best but should give you a quick overview on what beats are naturally more important when all beats have the same sounds on them)).
01:14:024 (3) - Right after you've started to follow that bass-kick-bass-kick-rhythm you're ignoring all the beats between head and tail of this slider, why? The vocals only start at 01:13:357 -(which you didn't emphasize) and get more dense after that, but your map gets less dense bc of that slider, so it's again not recognizable what you're trying to follow here. Here's a small suggestion of how to fix this and the previous point

I'll stop here for this diff, the Kiai doesn't seem to have such big problems anymore anyways. In general, this difficulty struggles with following elements of the song in a recognizable and consistent way, and the hitsounding is mostly lacking and sometimes emphasizing beats that are neglected in the beat-placement.

I'd also like to point out a few issues in the other diffs that I've looked at:

Kyunada's Insane

00:02:357 (6,7,1) - Beat-placement here seems mixed up, the strong vocal note at 00:02:524 is also emphasized by your hitsounding but mapped with a slidertail, the same way as the completely irrelevant note at 00:03:190 -, which seems very unstructured, and not emphasizing 00:02:524 in gameplay just feels off in general - If you want to keep (6) as it is I'd suggest this in order to give the tail of (6) some meaning (instead of just being ignored in gameplay bc you're already moving to the next object) and avoiding (7)'s overlap too, or this rhythm which would give more emphasize the beats more clearly too
00:05:857 (1,2) - Why are none of these notes hitsounded, while 00:06:690 (3) has a seemingly random Whistle?
Actually, your hitsounding along with what you emphasized in your beat-placement seems very messy in this whole section, there's a holding vocal note during 00:08:190 (7,8) which you mapped as circles, which gives both of 00:08:524 (8,1) much more emphasis, but both of them feel like filler-notes since they're either representing either no beat at all or just the downbeat which you ignored previously, and they're not hitsounded either, which makes it feel even more 'empty'. Even more so at 00:09:024 (2,3,4,5,6) where you're mapping a very dense chain of 1/2-notes but only hitsounding two of them. That sudden Whistle at 00:09:357 kinda seems like emphasizing that strong piano-note there, which seems arbitrary since you didn't follow the piano much at all and ignore it later in that combo too. If you want to emphasize the vocals, do that more consistently by also playing whistles at 00:09:024 and 00:10:024 -, simply following the accentuations of those vocals.
00:17:357 (3) is just another example of seemingly random hitsounding, you used Whistles on very many vocal notes prior to that, but then you suddenly stop that and use it for piano again? Just seems very messy to me. If you want to hitsound multiple layers, try using different hitsounds for each layer, and don't only do it every now and then, but be more consistent with it, in order to make these hitsounds sounds more natural and consistent instead of random. 00:18:357 (2,3) and 00:20:690 (5) are yet some more examples of your hitsounding contradicting the emphasis of your beat-placement.
00:28:024 - 00:31:690 - Why are you making beats like these land on slidertails? You're emphasizing them by making them clickable most of the time, but here they get no emphasis at all, at the first spot they get ingored even more by 00:27:857 (2) flowing nicely into 00:28:357 (1) which makes that tail completely irrelevant in gameplay and basically makes the player have an awkwardly slow 3/2-gap where the flow continues but the distance is so low that they have to slow down during that strong beat.
00:46:024 - While I don't have anything against the idea of making this section follow drums in this way, the filler-rhythms used in this section seem very random to me - At 00:47:024 (3) you're mapping a 1/1-filler which seems very natural to me, but then you skip that at 00:49:690 and map 00:49:857 (1,2) for some reason I don't see. At 00:55:024 (1) you suddenly map that 1/1-filler again, and 00:55:524 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) is suddenly a dense cluster of notes that would make much more sense if 00:55:690 (2) wasn't mapped but like this it just feels like a-1/2-spam-chain not following much.
Same goes for 00:57:857 (1,2) - 01:00:524 (1,2) -, after those it suddenly is very consistent for some reason o:
01:19:190 (4) - Seems weird to me to not NC notes like these where the vocals start after having a pause, whereas I don't see the reason to NC stuff like 01:20:024 (1) -
01:22:690 (7) - 01:25:690 (3) - etc feel off hitsounding-wise, they emphasize their tails very much even though those tails are otherwise irrelevant for the gameplay, and the hitsounds aren't forming very consistent patterns in general either. For spots like 01:18:024 (1,2) it seems weird that the second objects have those Whistles which would also make sense at the first object since they're both having that same beat in the song, but the Finish doesn't compensate for that hitsound at all - Originally I thought you didn't use Whistles there bc of conflicting samplesets but they're actually not conflicting lol

Sotarks' Arrogance

00:06:690 (10) - What's that hitsound which was previously used for the downbeat emphasizing here? And why are this and 00:07:024 (11) even circles/mapped? You seemed to focus on vocals very well so far, but here you're cutting 00:06:357 (9) to 1/2 just to map two circles that don't fit into your beat-structure at all
00:11:357 (11) - This circle seems lost without the usual hitsound
00:12:690 (4,6) - This is a weird mix-up of identical objects and hitsounding even though the tails should have different emphasis since you're following vocals
00:14:024 (1) - Holla what's this NC doing here
00:24:690 (1,4) - 00:27:357 (1,4) - 00:30:024 (1,4) - 00:32:690 (1,5) - etc. What is hitsounding-consistency
Not a problem per se but I feel like using Normal-hitnormals as kicks at 00:25:190 - 00:26:357 - etc doesn't really work well bc those hitnormals sound like snares to me too in relation to everything else, so since the song itself already has a not-so-common pattern of kick/snare this makes it even less clear for me
00:47:357 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - 00:49:857 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 00:55:024 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,1,2) - I have a huge issue with all of those spots bc you're mixing vocals and drums together into convoluted circle-chains even though you're not emphasizing the drums at all outside of those circle-chains and rather focusing on vocals like always before. If you really want to emphasize the drums there all of a sudden, I'd advise to throw in one or two sliders whose tails land on beats where there are no drums to make that emphasize clear, otherwise it just seems like a jump-spam that doesn't follow anything in particular bc it tries to follow everything at the same time.
Especially applies to spots/notes like 01:22:690 (1,2,1,2) where those two combos are the exact same pattern while they're mapped to completely different things that don't even have the same intensity, in this case 01:22:857 (2) is the note that completely destroys the meaning of any other notes by being emphasizing just as much, which could easily be avoided by making it a slidertail or whatever
00:54:357 - hitsound helo
also 01:29:024 -

In conclusion, I have big quality-concerns about the Easy in general, about hitsounding in some diffs and about some focusing in the highest diff, and a lot of the set overall seems like it could've desperately needed some closer checking as there are still a lot of obvious issues left that could be fixed easily.

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