You could have a society without any centralised governing body based on the underlying principle of the NAP.Railey2 wrote:
Talking about unprovable assertions, do you think that a society without leadership could stabilize itself with nothing but the free market?
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Your post suggested that people were just idly cooperating with Stalin's regime and giving his dictatorship more power, but that's completely lacking the context of his repressive government. People informing on their friends and such were only doing so because they themselves were threatened- similar to what happened in Nazi Germany where informing on Jews was highly 'encouraged'.B1rd wrote:
But regarding what was said in this thread, I'm wondering if Vipper is going to just wiggle out of backing up his unprovable assertions, like how I don't know what I'm talking about regarding the Soviet Union.
Besides, plenty of people would actively try and hide things from the state in the Soviet Union too, although it's hard to get any meaningful statistics- it certainly wasn't a case where everybody simply cooperated with the state, because if that were true, they wouldn't have to behave in such a violent and oppressive manner in order to get what they wanted. Forced disappearances etc due to the secret police,
Basically, you shouldn't be using the Soviet Union as an example of people refusing to do what was morally right despite threat of persecution, because the threat was significant enough to actually control people on a psychological level. Ideals of standing up to a tyrannical government are pretty, but not actually an option to the majority of people living in the USSR.
I don't know why you had to mention Nazis there, when the Soviets did the same thing.
I don't think that would be stable, how would that be able to resist pressure from the inside (people will inevitably use aggressive and underhanded business strategies) and pressure from the outside (foreign invasion, foreign economic aggression)?B1rd wrote:
You could have a society without any centralised governing body based on the underlying principle of the NAP.Railey2 wrote:
Talking about unprovable assertions, do you think that a society without leadership could stabilize itself with nothing but the free market?
Not having a centralised governing body under these conditions just means that you are an easy target for everyone that doesn't play by your self-imposed, highly restrictive rules.
It's a fun thought experiment, but in the end it's also no more than a fantasy.
Aurani wrote:
I don't know why you had to mention Nazis there, when the Soviets did the same thing.
...as another example of what I was talking about, which may be more widely recognised? Did you read the post? lol
Yeah, more widely recognised by people who haven't read 2 books in their life. I won't deny that it's a valid statement, but it's a pet peeve of mine when you need to add an orange from another basket to your basket of apples, simply because you don't care. I like my things tidy, is all.
i have palyed almost an hour of osu straight for the first time in 3,5 years.
i am dying.
also i had a root canal treatment today which was delightful. 10/10 everyone should get 1 or 2.
i am dying.
also i had a root canal treatment today which was delightful. 10/10 everyone should get 1 or 2.
You might be surprised at how little general knowledge there is about the USSR for the average personAurani wrote:
Yeah, more widely recognised by people who haven't read 2 books in their life. I won't deny that it's a valid statement, but it's a pet peeve of mine when you need to add an orange from another basket to your basket of apples, simply because you don't care. I like my things tidy, is all.
The fact is that there was hardly any resistance to the Soviet Regime, informants and alleged criminals were extremely timid and did extremely little to resist, which is what made it so easy to the regime to make arrests on the scale they did with a disproportionately smaller secret police.DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
Your post suggested that people were just idly cooperating with Stalin's regime and giving his dictatorship more power, but that's completely lacking the context of his repressive government. People informing on their friends and such were only doing so because they themselves were threatened- similar to what happened in Nazi Germany where informing on Jews was highly 'encouraged'.B1rd wrote:
But regarding what was said in this thread, I'm wondering if Vipper is going to just wiggle out of backing up his unprovable assertions, like how I don't know what I'm talking about regarding the Soviet Union.
Besides, plenty of people would actively try and hide things from the state in the Soviet Union too, although it's hard to get any meaningful statistics- it certainly wasn't a case where everybody simply cooperated with the state, because if that were true, they wouldn't have to behave in such a violent and oppressive manner in order to get what they wanted. Forced disappearances etc due to the secret police,
Basically, you shouldn't be using the Soviet Union as an example of people refusing to do what was morally right despite threat of persecution, because the threat was significant enough to actually control people on a psychological level. Ideals of standing up to a tyrannical government are pretty, but not actually an option to the majority of people living in the USSR.
It wasn't a case of not "hiding anything", it's a mistake to assume that people were arrested because they did anything wrong, people were arrested simply because they had quotas and needed people for their work camps. That's the fault assumption most people who made, who mistakenly believed that "it wouldn't happen to them because they did nothing wrong" when all evidence pointed to the contrary. Yes, resisting is a perfectly valid opinion when you're going to get 25 years in the gulag any way, and the fact that most people when out of their way to cooperate is why the Soviet Regime were able to do the things that they did on such a large scale.
Well, regardless how I look at it, doing the referendum was one thing. They got lots of international press and opened a good opportunity to accelerate the progress to even get serious talk on the topic going when the spanish government was literally keeping Catalonia under wraps before.
Actually trying to go with the head through the wall by announcing to declare independency...I don't know really what good is supposed to come from doing it that way.
Actually trying to go with the head through the wall by announcing to declare independency...I don't know really what good is supposed to come from doing it that way.
The only difference is that functions normally handled by the state (police, military, consumer watchdog organisations, et cetera) will be handled by private organisations rather than state-enforced monopolies. People who aggress against other people will still face consequences for their actions.Railey2 wrote:
I don't think that would be stable, how would that be able to resist pressure from the inside (people will inevitably use aggressive and underhanded business strategies) and pressure from the outside (foreign invasion, foreign economic aggression)?
Not having a centralised governing body under these conditions just means that you are an easy target for everyone that doesn't play by your self-imposed, highly restrictive rules.
It's a fun thought experiment, but in the end it's also no more than a fantasy.
No one ever got their own way by being passive.Endaris wrote:
Well, regardless how I look at it, doing the referendum was one thing. They got lots of international press and opened a good opportunity to accelerate the progress to even get serious talk on the topic going when the spanish government was literally keeping Catalonia under wraps before.
Actually trying to go with the head through the wall by announcing to declare independency...I don't know really what good is supposed to come from doing it that way.
True, and as I wrote I think it was a good move to make the referendum but like...you have to find some sort of middle ground.
Fighting for independence should not make you abandon logic. As I wrote earlier, it depends heavily on the stance of the EU how this entire thing will work out. If they keep pushing like that, they won't get recognised and end up getting shot down. Which creates a very interesting situation in its own way because that would still cause a massive political destabilisation of the european framework. And the way it happens I'm not really convinced by its positive effect on society, even with my sort of anarchistic view points.
Fighting for independence should not make you abandon logic. As I wrote earlier, it depends heavily on the stance of the EU how this entire thing will work out. If they keep pushing like that, they won't get recognised and end up getting shot down. Which creates a very interesting situation in its own way because that would still cause a massive political destabilisation of the european framework. And the way it happens I'm not really convinced by its positive effect on society, even with my sort of anarchistic view points.
Hey B1rd, the video on your userpage is broken, just saying to let you know!
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It's not broken, the video got shoa'd by (((Youtube)))
Engaging discussion in ITT as usual.
olde
and right now we are in ye midel OT, don't you think?
*midleDJ Enetro wrote:
and right now we are in ye midel OT, don't you think?
By the time we reach ye newe OT, we're all going to pretty much sufferDJ Enetro wrote:
and right now we are in ye midel OT, don't you think?
If we needed a civil war to get to midle OT, then we would have to suffer through something like osu!Forum War I to get to newe OTColdTooth wrote:
By the time we reach ye newe OT, we're all going to pretty much sufferDJ Enetro wrote:
and right now we are in ye midel OT, don't you think?
Look I'm not up for a civil war. This place would just nuke itself over and over again, and that is something that I, nor anyone else in the staff, have to witness. This place just needs a bit more tidying up. Let people post for all we care, just read simple rules, actually have decent common sense and don't be stupid. Who fucking cares if old OTers are better, we're all equally shit.
You don't have to witness it.
All you have to do is getting consumed.
All you have to do is getting consumed.
Haha, no, I have a special place that won't get bombarded. I already have my escape route planned. I am not going to witness blood.Endaris wrote:
You don't have to witness it.
All you have to do is getting consumed.
this place is such a joke
throw something at us. A topic of discussion or something. You see shit only because there isn't something rolling. Start something and it will continue until the next distraction (new page, random meme post, etc), and push a bit more after the distraction to maintain course.Foxtrot wrote:
this place is such a joke
I miss the days when i could just post on the forums and like 5 of my friends were active at the same time and we would just mess around for a while. I don't really know many people anymore because most of them joined after i became less active.
Frontline girls has some nice fanart.
mmh no. it's not like my opinion was different when things were rollingabraker wrote:
throw something at us. A topic of discussion or something. You see shit only because there isn't something rolling. Start something and it will continue until the next distraction (new page, random meme post, etc), and push a bit more after the distraction to maintain course.Foxtrot wrote:
this place is such a joke
(inb4 I post about quality again and start the next OT!Civil war)
Everyone has equal responsibility, call it filial piety or something. Being nice to everyone else is the bare necessities.
Everyone has equal responsibility, call it filial piety or something. Being nice to everyone else is the bare necessities.
you don't know what filial piety even means, do you? and equal responsibility is out of the question when users are voluntarily visiting this forum. don't force people in doing something they don't want to do.DJ Enetro wrote:
(inb4 I post about quality again and start the next OT!Civil war)
Everyone has equal responsibility, call it filial piety or something. Being nice to everyone else is the bare necessities.
Fucking collab, I don't recognise my own posts anymore.
Foxtrot just wants her Blitzfrog to start posting in ITT.
Aurani wrote:
Foxtrot just wants her Blitzfrog to start posting in ITT.
same lolEndaris wrote:
Fucking collab, I don't recognise my own posts anymore.
people complain about stuff they haven't tried hard enough making better.Foxtrot wrote:
mmh no. it's not like my opinion was different when things were rolling
you're really on my case, aren't youabraker wrote:
people complain about stuff they haven't tried hard enough making better.Foxtrot wrote:
mmh no. it's not like my opinion was different when things were rolling
Yes, but I don't want to weigh it much on you, so I'll just make it a— brief caseFoxtrot wrote:
you're really on my case, aren't you
weigh on me? you're funny. also you must be real proud of thatabraker wrote:
Yes, but I don't want to weigh it much on you, so I'll just make it a— brief caseFoxtrot wrote:
you're really on my case, aren't you
nope. That is shit compared to the masterpiece I let loose earlier today.Foxtrot wrote:
also you must be real proud of that
i'm here to mess with you anytime bby.silmarilen wrote:
I miss the days when i could just post on the forums and like 5 of my friends were active at the same time and we would just mess around for a while. I don't really know many people anymore because most of them joined after i became less active.
also non-collab profile pics are always superior to collab ones.
Collab avatars are fun if you keep them long.
Me and Aurani are actually coming up to our four years.
EDIT: maybe I mean three. I don’t know.
Me and Aurani are actually coming up to our four years.
EDIT: maybe I mean three. I don’t know.
all good things must come to an end (:Hika wrote:
Collab avatars are fun if you keep them long.
Me and Aurani are actually coming up to our four years.
EDIT: maybe I mean three. I don’t know.
<3Tanzklaue wrote:
i'm here to mess with you anytime bby.
You're just salty because nobody does one with you.Tanzklaue wrote:
also non-collab profile pics are always superior to collab ones.
unfortunately I’m too lazy to change my avatarAomi wrote:
all good things must come to an end (:
just return my boyfriend back in one piece
how many boyfriends do you have woman
just 1
aurani
aurani
It's been less than a week and people are already dropping out of the OT collab. Jesus Christ guys, stick to your avatar for a while.
Heck
so what am i to you nowHika wrote:
just 1
aurani
my bestie
what the fuck i got bamboozled
hm fair enough
hm fair enough
Ever been brother zoned?
"you do now"
actually no
actually no
except he's not hmmHika wrote:
just 1
aurani
the plot twist of all plot twists
same tbh
Thanks, it's part of the gay OT collab that people are already leaving before it's even a week old.
Hi Milkshake o/
this is why you shouldn't have any expectations in the first placesilmarilen wrote:
Thanks, it's part of the gay OT collab that people are already leaving before it's even a week old.
I have the highest expectations.
don’t do it
just 4 people, nothing to worry about i thinksilmarilen wrote:
Thanks, it's part of the gay OT collab that people are already leaving before it's even a week old.
woah. all the avatars are so soft! hnnng. that's a great collab tbh.
Is that a challenge? Do I hear "please make them all quit"? :^)Serraionga wrote:
just 4 people, nothing to worry about i think
silmarilen wrote:
If it involves a fight between a man and a woman, don't take jordan seriously. He has a history of hating women in general regardless of what actually happened.
Unlike what tumblr people call mysoginist (basically anybody that isn't a woman agreeing with their point of view), i think he actually is one.
https://i.imgur.com/dtAOP0b.jpg
y'all remember that argument?
lol @ the possibility of me ever being wrong
Interesting, you can't add people to/remove people from your foe list anymore because the page where you did that doesn't exist anymore.
Good for you.
Nothing is more symptomatic of this sheltered generation than people who block others at the slightest sign of them having a different opinion.
oooo sounds like a nifty challenge! Anyone edgy enough to receive a block from B1rd will be my hero!B1rd wrote:
Nothing is more symptomatic of this sheltered generation than people who block others at the slightest sign of them having a different opinion.
If you want a block from me don't be edgy, just make sure all your posts are both a nuisance and absolutely devoid of any intellectual value over a long and sustained period of time.
To make this challenge fair, being a nuisance doesn't count and being an idiot won't work either. Having B1rd sell you the block is a disqualification too.B1rd wrote:
If you want a block from me don't be edgy, just make sure all your posts are both a nuisance and absolutely devoid of any intellectual value over a long and sustained period of time.
B1rd wrote:
Nothing is more symptomatic of this sheltered generation than people who block others at the slightest sign of them having a different opinion.
man people are really trying to keep the edge level high in ot.
Hey, did I miss something or did Mahogany just leave?
Has he even been here recently?johnmedina999 wrote:
Hey, did I miss something or did Mahogany just leave?
Yeah, that's why. His last post was a month ago but he didn't post anything concerning his departure. He just kinda left without warning.Raspberriel wrote:
Has he even been here recently?
As if you had to warn people because you go on hiatus.
You were here for quite a long time and you're surprised..... lolEndaris wrote:
As if you had to warn people because you go on hiatus.
When you put it that way, sure it seems silly. I guess I'm just used to farewells; hell, even Kisses posted a farewell post before he said he was leaving.Endaris wrote:
As if you had to warn people because you go on hiatus.
But Kisses is still here.
who cares if you're still in contact?
You did this kind of stuff before when posting for the whereabouts of various people, it's incredibly pointless.
I have nothing good to say so I'll post the lil bamboo I bought for myself.
It looks pretty cute!Milkshake wrote:
I have nothing good to say so I'll post the lil bamboo I bought for myself.
put a shekel in there
Or i just want to have an enjoyable time without having to see the posts of shitfaces like you and jordan.B1rd wrote:
Nothing is more symptomatic of this sheltered generation than people who block others at the slightest sign of them having a different opinion.
that is a nice bamboo.Milkshake wrote:
I have nothing good to say so I'll post the lil bamboo I bought for myself.
may i ask why a bamboo over other plants?