D(ABE3) - MANIERA [Taiko] · forum

m421

Joined June 2014

m421 2017-08-11T17:41:06+00:00

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
@maziari: Your explanations of 1/6 usage at 00:25:570 (193,194,195,196) and 01:10:713 (538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546) - are not really convincing as there are no 1/6 sounds at all to support those notes. As only distinct 1/4 sounds can be heard in the background, please reconsider changing them to 1/4 patterns or something else.

Former: It's undesirable because the feeling of piano is diminished,but I moved 1/6 to the place where the sound is ringing.
Also, I adjusted 00:49:657: to the background sound.

Latter: It certainly isn't a 1/6, but also it isn't even a 1/4. The tom's sound ringing here is like a roll, so 1/4 can't express it.
Since there is no way to express accurately, I chose 1/6. If I fill this in 1/4, it'll become flat and a boring map.

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Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-09-08T12:45:17+00:00

Had some discussions with yumuya in the game. Log as stated below.

IRC check with _yu68, Sep 8, 2017

19:37 _yu68: Hello :3
19:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hi :3
19:38 *Nardoxyribonucleic is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/871924 D(ABE3) - MANIERA]
19:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: First of all, I still think maziari's use of 1/6 at 01:10:713 (539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547) - is not very appropriate, but well I'm going to be a bit lenient about it now
19:44 _yu68: I think the 1/6 is showing drum roll well
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: Main drum beats falls on 1/4 while there is an extra beat at 01:11:110 -
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: That is why I would suggest 1/4
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: The rolls are not even snapped in 1/6
19:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: I would not suggest mapping that extra beat as the snaps would be too irregular to follow
19:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yet 1/6 would not be the best choice here, that is my stance
19:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: But well as I said, I'm more lenient about this pattern now.
19:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: So maziari may keep that in case he still strongly insists
19:51 _yu68: I see
19:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: Then about Virtuoso
19:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: What was the 1/8 pattern arrangement agreed by Raiden upon his bubble?
19:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: i.e. [https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6021558 this post]
19:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: I need to take that as reference to make comparison
19:58 _yu68: tasuke had said that he can qualify
19:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: He agreed with the current version or?
19:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: Agreed with adding 00:36:423 - 00:36:568 - d
19:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: which one?
19:59 _yu68: yes
19:59 _yu68: Absolutely impossible to ignore raiden's veto?
20:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: You need two other nominators' override
20:01 _yu68: It's Arrival and tasuke
20:02 Nardoxyribonucleic: So both of them agreed with the current version?
20:02 _yu68: Probably
20:03 _yu68: The map has not changed much since they agreed
20:03 _yu68: p/6126340
20:03 _yu68: and,
20:04 _yu68: https://twitter.com/tasuke912/status/877143037066878977
20:04 _yu68: tasuke is saying "If there is no one who QFs MANIERA, I can do it."
20:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: Okay. Before letting you guys move on, one more question.
20:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:35:270 (328,330) - these two are actually similar spots with 00:36:423 - 00:36:568 - . I would like to know the reason of the difference, like why not using at 00:35:234 - and 00:35:378 - as well
20:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: I mean the use of 1/2
20:12 _yu68: as I said in forum, I mapped as 1/8 to make ease of hitting.
20:16 _yu68: ah
20:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: ?
20:17 _yu68: means "why am I using 1/2 there"?
20:17 Nardoxyribonucleic: I was asking why the representations at 00:35:234 (327,328,329,330) - and 00:36:387 (343,344) - are different
20:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: Like, why don't you use 1/2 at the former pair as well
20:22 _yu68: I deleted some 1/8s by raiden's veto, but I can't explain the difference in representations caused by them. I'm sorry
20:22 _yu68: They were the same 1/8 in the older version
20:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: I see. I wondered about the difference because structure-wise, deleting 00:35:270 (328,330) - as well would be more coherent.
20:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: And you talked about hand alternation previously, so I'm mentioning this now
20:26 _yu68: I guess that 1/8 and 1/2 confuse would make players confused
20:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm so, you think that 14 pairs of 1/8 are better than 6-2-6-2?
20:30 _yu68: I think that it is easy to decide how to hit, although the density is high
20:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: Alright. You may ask Arrival for rebubble and tasuke to requalify then.
20:33 _yu68: Could I add 1/8 to 00:36:423 - and 00:36:568 - ?
20:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: That is why I asked about the inconsistencies lol
20:38 _yu68: Thanks, and I apologize for my verrrrry poor English._.
20:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: Considering the factor of full alternation together, you have two choices of pattern: Either delete 00:35:270 (328,330) - or add 00:36:423 - 00:36:568 -
20:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: So I think you may choose between these two options regarding pattern consistency
20:40 _yu68: I understand.
20:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm, so you preferred the latter
20:41 _yu68: chose the later and updated the map
20:42 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that is all from my side at the moment. You may ask Arrival and tasuke now.
20:43 _yu68: Thanks so much :3

Arrival

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Arrival 2017-09-08T13:01:21+00:00

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_yu68

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492 posts

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_yu68 2017-09-08T13:23:20+00:00

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
Had some discussions with yumuya in the game. Log as stated below.

IRC check with _yu68, Sep 8, 2017
19:37 _yu68: Hello :3
19:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hi :3
19:38 *Nardoxyribonucleic is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/871924 D(ABE3) - MANIERA]
19:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: First of all, I still think maziari's use of 1/6 at 01:10:713 (539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547) - is not very appropriate, but well I'm going to be a bit lenient about it now
19:44 _yu68: I think the 1/6 is showing drum roll well
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: Main drum beats falls on 1/4 while there is an extra beat at 01:11:110 -
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: That is why I would suggest 1/4
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: The rolls are not even snapped in 1/6
19:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: I would not suggest mapping that extra beat as the snaps would be too irregular to follow
19:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yet 1/6 would not be the best choice here, that is my stance
19:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: But well as I said, I'm more lenient about this pattern now.
19:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: So maziari may keep that in case he still strongly insists
19:51 _yu68: I see
19:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: Then about Virtuoso
19:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: What was the 1/8 pattern arrangement agreed by Raiden upon his bubble?
19:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: i.e. [https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6021558 this post]
19:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: I need to take that as reference to make comparison
19:58 _yu68: tasuke had said that he can qualify
19:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: He agreed with the current version or?
19:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: Agreed with adding 00:36:423 - 00:36:568 - d
19:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: which one?
19:59 _yu68: yes
19:59 _yu68: Absolutely impossible to ignore raiden's veto?
20:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: You need two other nominators' override
20:01 _yu68: It's Arrival and tasuke
20:02 Nardoxyribonucleic: So both of them agreed with the current version?
20:02 _yu68: Probably
20:03 _yu68: The map has not changed much since they agreed
20:03 _yu68: p/6126340
20:03 _yu68: and,
20:04 _yu68: https://twitter.com/tasuke912/status/877143037066878977
20:04 _yu68: tasuke is saying "If there is no one who QFs MANIERA, I can do it."
20:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: Okay. Before letting you guys move on, one more question.
20:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:35:270 (328,330) - these two are actually similar spots with 00:36:423 - 00:36:568 - . I would like to know the reason of the difference, like why not using at 00:35:234 - and 00:35:378 - as well
20:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: I mean the use of 1/2
20:12 _yu68: as I said in forum, I mapped as 1/8 to make ease of hitting.
20:16 _yu68: ah
20:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: ?
20:17 _yu68: means "why am I using 1/2 there"?
20:17 Nardoxyribonucleic: I was asking why the representations at 00:35:234 (327,328,329,330) - and 00:36:387 (343,344) - are different
20:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: Like, why don't you use 1/2 at the former pair as well
20:22 _yu68: I deleted some 1/8s by raiden's veto, but I can't explain the difference in representations caused by them. I'm sorry
20:22 _yu68: They were the same 1/8 in the older version
20:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: I see. I wondered about the difference because structure-wise, deleting 00:35:270 (328,330) - as well would be more coherent.
20:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: And you talked about hand alternation previously, so I'm mentioning this now
20:26 _yu68: I guess that 1/8 and 1/2 confuse would make players confused
20:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm so, you think that 14 pairs of 1/8 are better than 6-2-6-2?
20:30 _yu68: I think that it is easy to decide how to hit, although the density is high
20:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: Alright. You may ask Arrival for rebubble and tasuke to requalify then.
20:33 _yu68: Could I add 1/8 to 00:36:423 - and 00:36:568 - ?
20:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: That is why I asked about the inconsistencies lol
20:38 _yu68: Thanks, and I apologize for my verrrrry poor English._.
20:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: Considering the factor of full alternation together, you have two choices of pattern: Either delete 00:35:270 (328,330) - or add 00:36:423 - 00:36:568 -
20:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: So I think you may choose between these two options regarding pattern consistency
20:40 _yu68: I understand.
20:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm, so you preferred the latter
20:41 _yu68: chose the later and updated the map
20:42 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that is all from my side at the moment. You may ask Arrival and tasuke now.
20:43 _yu68: Thanks so much :3