Some of you guys just love to start drama and make things seem more dramatic than it is :c

You forgot too mention two factors that affects OT. Lack of active audience and the creation of this ot!news discord server which I think affects the creation of new threads and what I think causes this so called separation that you've said.

Another thing is how people responded to this new rules, what did some do? people are always complaining. People can always create threads which abides with the new set of rules but what happened? "ahhhhh, I won't post threads from now on until these new rules are lifted" right?

ITT2 regulars wouldn't post in threads made by other people. But now that they don't have to look for their favorite thread in between other threads, they have even less motive to do so.

Are these threads interesting? if not then why would people bother? is this thread worth a reply? so that might be it (looking into their own perspective), why they don't post on some threads.Though I've been lurking here for almost a year and a half and I can say that some of them rarely makes threads like some do and I really won't say that they do not post on other people's threads because I've seen a lot that they do (It will sound a little biased but this is what I see, sorry).

So where are we now? We're in a state of emptiness because some people can't accept changes.
That being said, threads like this are what makes this place more shit. Talking about separation but you're gonna separate it more or maybe you have some other hidden agenda for making this one.

I do not know how to fix this, personally. I would like to have a hard, foolproof solution to fix OT, as it is in my best interest to do so.

lol foolproof, you funny

There are 2 truths to OT:

1) Shitposts will always be part of OT

• OT has a rich history of shitposting. For it to not have shitpost, it needs to be cut, past destroyed and a new established with new users and a seed thread that puts an example of what is expected. But then it isn't OT, is it? Remaking an entire subforum is a hack and not a solution, a sad hack if it ever comes to be. Same shits will always be around to cause shit, and no begging will make them stop. Feed a troll and it becomes a giant to take it all. Getting rid of shitposts will be just a cat and mouse game, waste of time.

2) Quality can exist, but takes time and needs reward

• It is possible to make quality posts, but not many are willing to for the same reason I am not willing to go through the headache of ranking a map. Too much effort for little reward. The only reason OT!news worked this far is because the reward is member bonding and the good feeling that our quality post tops almost anything else (though I have admit, that has been slowly decreasing due to the law of diminishing returns). Now here is the thing: Those who are deeply against OT being shit are also the ones that want to get rid of shit instead of trying something quality. So we can cross out that group of the list, nothing to expect from them. That leaves us with just the ones who post shit and are the ones to expect quality from, as ironic as it sounds.

Doing something alone will be quite a challenge, and it is indeed more fun and easier to make something of quality together. There needs to be a challenge to create something of quality, just like johnmedina999 got challenged to produce the first OT!news. Even after that, it can fall apart faster than you can blink. The person challenged needs to come together with someone else to spread the workload if it must continue.


My solution right now is simple, but temporary: Make a competition for OT's most quality post and offer a reward most would want. They can work alone or as a group, and the winning group gets the reward.

Otherwise, just wait for plain luck. Maybe we can pressure DJ Enetro enough that he will start a thing with someone since he is the next best candidate to try an initiative. Who knows.

That said, if you look at the numbers, we are a small community and it is unreasonable to expect everyone to commit to quality in the already established environment.



As a tl;dr, just ask yourself these questions and hopefully the truth will sink in. I suggest you answer these in the exact order without looking forward.

- Can you tell a person to stop doing something because you told them so?
- How many new OT members post shit threads every week?
- How many of those new OT members stay around?
- How soon do you expect new OT members to start producing quality content?
- What do you think the acceptable ratio between quality posts and shitposts are?
- How much percent of the community do you think posts a thread at least once per week?
- How much percent of the community wants to get rid of shitposts rather than produce something of quality?
- How much percent of the community are you expecting to commit to quality?
- How much percent of the community cares less about quality than going through the effort of making something themselves?
- What do you think is/are the main motive(s) for producing something of quality?
- How often do you think a group can produce something of quality?
- Name at least 5 quality ideas for a thread from the top of you head.
- What do you think the actual ratio between quality posts and shitposts would be considering all of the above?

I'm not entirely sure why you decide to make such long posts, as we both know they won't produce the results you want. You're in an online forum with a bunch of people who have proven that they aren't exactly willing to listen.

I think it was you that said that even the Minecraft forum was better than this? Tbh, it's true.

Basically all the points raised here have already been discussed at one point, and rejected. There's no fixing this.

You're wrong about thread longevity after the rule change. "Megathreads lasting several pages"- no, that's what normal threads are supposed to be. Places for discussion instead of 1 or 2 pages of you and your friends shitpost-circlejerking with no meaningful content.

I just feel like that group doesn't understand what forums are actually like at all.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I just feel like that group doesn't understand what forums are actually like at all.

They don't, which is why they feel this shit is acceptable in the first place.

Serraionga wrote:

I almost always posted here to have fun for myself in the first place, never had any change of mindset or something of the sort.

Well you seem to be a guy we all like and have no problem with (mostly I think.) "Nos gusta tu" as you would say.

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

Some of you guys just love to start drama and make things seem more dramatic than it is :c

Hmm. Good point. Then again it goes back to different interpretations of common sense, as sometimes points are not expressed clearly enough to drive points home. You can't make everyone change to your view either, for that matter

Hyerim wrote:

People can always create threads which abides with the new set of rules but what happened? "ahhhhh, I won't post threads from now on until these new rules are lifted" right?

Disagree, people just maximized their posting imo, but then again Canadian Baka and others have lessened their thread-creating at least. Also Hyerim consider if they kept going and whether they would be exiled or not.

Hyerim wrote:

Are these threads interesting? if not then why would people bother? is this thread worth a reply?

Ofc they aren't interesting to me, but that's why they make good spam trash bins. Similar to the ctrl+v dump in FG.

abraker wrote:

Shitposts will always be part of OT

Hmm... idk really. Who created the first shitpost on OT?

Tae wrote:

There's no fixing this.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

You're wrong about thread longevity after the rule change. "Megathreads lasting several pages"- no, that's what normal threads are supposed to be. Places for discussion instead of 1 or 2 pages of you and your friends shitpost-circlejerking with no meaningful content.

I just feel like that group doesn't understand what forums are actually like at all.

Tae wrote:

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I just feel like that group doesn't understand what forums are actually like at all.

They don't, which is why they feel this shit is acceptable in the first place.

What would normality be for you two, 3-7 pages, 15 posts/page? Remember this is not the same as other forums you may have visited. Also, not everyone wants to go on osu! every day... Also you can't assume that threads that short are bad, just because there is no discussion. Even chatting could be a discussion, like Allmynamestaken's "The Last Poster Wins" thread.

But it all comes back to perspective and whether people are willing to LISTEN and CONSIDER.

DJ Enetro wrote:

Tae wrote:

There's no fixing this.

Now, I know this will seem like a satire...

but then again, you haven't tried hard enough. Or maybe you are just too lazy to bring about a change...? Imo Taiga does a better job of fixing up forums than you do. No offense. If you take serious umbridge to my reply, well, happens.

Don't you fucking dare say I haven't tried enough or that I'm lazy. The vast majority of the changes to OT were suggested by me from the start. I was attacked by your group then, and I'm being attacked by your group now. Why the FUCK would I bother doing anything when I'm just going to get attacked for it, which your friends enjoy doing.

Fucking educate yourself.

DJ Enetro wrote:

What would normality be for you two, 3-7 pages, 15 posts/page? Remember this is not the same as other forums you may have visited. Also, not everyone wants to go on osu! every day... Also you can't assume that threads that short are bad, just because there is no discussion. Even chatting could be a discussion, like Allmynamestaken's "The Last Poster Wins" thread.

But it all comes back to perspective and whether people are willing to LISTEN and CONSIDER.

That is not the point. A certain degree of respect is expected in all subforums, which for some reason isn't present here. None of you fucks care about the moderators who do this shit in their own time. Literally, it is so fucking selfish of you all.

Aaaand your example belongs in Forum Games, so nice job there.

There is a fine line between constructive criticism and purely unneeded bashing. I have not crossed it yet, hopefully I don't.

Tae wrote:

Why the FUCK would I bother doing anything when I'm just going to get attacked for it, which your friends enjoy doing.

johnmedina999 wrote:

It can't be that Flanster is worse as a mod than Stefan, because he has more mod kills than him. The amount of mod kills also implies that he has put up with a lot more shit

And that toleration is something that up until now I can safely admit that I haven't realized until now, so I will respect him for that, at least. (Maybe I was too taken up by shitposting to even realize back then)

Tae wrote:

Fucking educate yourself.

But I am. *smh*
Not just in school but also how you all see what "common sense" is, and why it would make sense.

Tae wrote:

That is not the point. A certain degree of respect is expected in all subforums, which for some reason isn't present here. None of you fucks care about the moderators who do this shit in their own time. Literally, it is so fucking selfish of you all.

Key word being *expected*. But ofc it doesn't happen, which is the reason why mods are here in the first place.

Tae wrote:

Aaaand your example belongs in Forum Games, so nice job there.

Never said it wasn't.

Lastly, going back to what I said to john about mods:
This whole thing was about me not reading the cues, that I should stop making shit threads. (Continually locked by mods)

I'll admit it.
If you expect me to respect mods for their work and post only threads that are meant for lengthy discussion than I will honestly refuse.

Put it like this- forums are a social environment, like many places. If you're socially inept and/or disrespectful then you're making things worse for everyone. That's why a level of respect is expected- it means people can actually have meaningful discussion.

If you really can't tolerate that, that's on you. Don't expect your idiocy to be accepted or become the norm- a lack of fundamental respect is what makes communities go to complete shit, nothing more, I think.

Not sure why you think OT is particularly different to other forums, also.

Enetro, your way of finding what anyone says that's slightly directed towards you and literally being like, "NOPE! Sorry sweaty pie! That is nooooOoooooOt correct! Make sure you have your ear holes WIIIIIIIIDE open!!1!" (you get the point) You don't always have to react to everything, and I know it's your character, but just chill out, no need to cause a scene c: I usually don't get involved in things like this because it makes me uncomfortable, but I hope you get my point

new page, actually nope. I typed so long that Zekks beat me to it by a minute anyways to the point

I'd expect you to actually behave like a decent human being, and not gang up on newcomers/those you disagree with. That is all your "community" does.
You're all fucking toxic, you deserve one another.

Maybe this is why I choose to leave?

Oh yeah, none of you like my serious posting either, so this'll just be ignored like everything else I say. )

Evidence:

1. Kas Eestlased veel mänigvad ikka osut?
2. <deleted>
3. My stylus broke

There's overwhelming evidence of this. At least on the ganging up on newcomers.
For that, I'm sorry for yelling at them, because it made them feel misplaced and, well, like they received a punch to the chest.

*not gang up on those that you disagree with* - I'll admit that I am one of the biggest perpetrators of this.
I guess that can be interpreted as bashing? I'll stop here for now

You'll stop?
Finally.

Now if only your friends would be as considerate.

---

Way to completely ignore half of what I said though.

Reminds me of what some of my teachers try to say - "don't dominate the conversation"
Rip rip rip

DJ Enetro wrote:

abraker wrote:

Shitposts will always be part of OT

Hmm... idk really. Who created the first shitpost on OT?

Look back into OT's history, it was like this since the beginning. It's littered with memes and meta and absolute trash within.

OMG PLEASE

I was just writing what was on my mind at the time, I didn't expect this thread to explode! I went to sleep and I never could have guessed what would happen next. I am sorry for this thread, and apologize to everyone who read or posted in this thread. It contributes nothing to the forum and it's painful reading through these replies because I know I'm wrong and don't deserve even posting rights because every time I do something it becomes explosive. You all should have just left this thread to die and ignored it because I believe we would all be better off without it. Or better yet, I shouldn't have made the thread Ingham first place. I am sincerely sorry to anyone that got hurt or got mad at this thread. Even though I think you are totally justified to be so, I apologize to everyone that hates me now, I think that's perfectly fine because of how stupid I am. Sorry if you went through the trouble of reading this thread.

That said, there are three things to do now. Derail, let it die, or keep throwing shit at DJ Enetro. Tough choice, hmmmm..

Well I'm not angry one bit... its you guys who piss yourselves off.

Whoa John wth, this is just a normal thread. No need to beat yourself up over it

DJ Enetro wrote:

Well I'm not angry one bit... its you guys who piss yourselves off.

And of course you're completely innocent once again.

too long; didn't read

lol

Every time there is a new reply in this thread it hurts me inside. Can we just let it die? Thanks.

hi i'm poppy

johnmedina999 wrote:

Every time there is a new reply in this thread it hurts me inside. Can we just let it die? Thanks.

How badly do you want to delete this now? lol