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Maaya Sakamoto - Million Clouds

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LMT
535 posts
Joined October 2015
LMT

Uta wrote:

LMT's Hard
* Just add circle here bruh 00:44:873 - lol no that just dilute the emphasis on vocals
* ^00:48:230 - ^
well it is just sounded really bad for me


Good Luck >w<
tatatat
905 posts
Joined March 2015
tatatat
Update the tags in the Hard diff to be the same as the other diffs. The video's resolution is too large. Its resolution is 1280x738, while the maximum allowed is 1280x720. Consider cropping it or finding it in a different resolution. I recommend increasing the CS in the Easy and Hard diffs. The AR and OD in the Kocari's Journey may be a little too high.
Easy:
00:53:684 - there isn't enough spinner recovery time here, the recommended amount of time to recover is 4 beats while there is only 2 beats to recover here.
01:24:314 - you may want to consider moving this circle away from the same spot the slider before it ended, since they aren't very close together on the timeline they probably shouldn't be very close together on the screen.(time distance equality)
01:31:446 (1) - having the slider end on the body of another slider may confuse newer players.
01:33:125 - The shape of this slider may be too complex for an easy difficulty, but thats up too you.
Normal:
00:22:653 - You may want to make this slider's shape more simple and not overlap itself. It might be too confusing for a normal difficulty.
00:32:723 - Consider moving this slider away from the end of the last slider since they aren't very close on the timeline.
00:36:079 - Consider moving the end of this slider somewhere else, it overlaps the slider before it at 00:35:030 - . This one isn't really all that big of a deal though.
Consider changing the color of combo 2 because it blends in with the background video, especially at 01:31:237 (2) - or just use a different combo color for that particular combo.
Yamicchi
1,175 posts
Joined May 2015
Topic Starter
Yamicchi

tatatat wrote:

Update the tags in the Hard diff to be the same as the other diffs. The video's resolution is too large. Its resolution is 1280x738, while the maximum allowed is 1280x720. Consider cropping it or finding it in a different resolution. I recommend increasing the CS in the Easy and Hard diffs. The AR and OD in the Kocari's Journey may be a little too high. tag done, video I'll try to find some help, CS is fine imo Kocari's up to him
Easy:
00:53:684 - there isn't enough spinner recovery time here, the recommended amount of time to recover is 4 beats while there is only 2 beats to recover here. it is 839ms to the next object, so basically it's 39ms odd from being unrankable tho
01:24:314 - you may want to consider moving this circle away from the same spot the slider before it ended, since they aren't very close together on the timeline they probably shouldn't be very close together on the screen.(time distance equality) ya because they aren't close together on the timeline, that's why I have to stack them for easier read
01:31:446 (1) - having the slider end on the body of another slider may confuse newer players. I believe it's just a sliderend, plus it's stacked perfectly, and when the next slider comes, the sliderend had already faded out so...
01:33:125 - The shape of this slider may be too complex for an easy difficulty, but thats up too you. trust me I've seen even more complicated thing xd
Thanks for the mod :3 the GDer will reply to you later
Winnie
1,343 posts
Joined November 2013
Winnie
Fixed most things
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: amanchu.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 54104
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 2
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.9

[Metadata]
Title:Million Clouds (TV Size)
TitleUnicode:Million Clouds (TV Size)
Artist:Sakamoto Maaya
ArtistUnicode:坂本真綾
Creator:Yamicchi
Version:Kocari's Journey
Source:あまんちゅ！
Tags:opening op amanchu! depzdai LMT Kocari
BeatmapID:1321438
BeatmapSetID:627050

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depzdai
152 posts
Joined July 2015
depzdai

LeKhanhHoa wrote:

depzai mai boi
  1. 00:18:876 (3,4,1) - Cho 2 nốt này xa nhau 1 tí. Stack nhìn nó overlap thấy xấu. Fixed, since I forgot to turn on stacking view at that moment. Thanks for pointing this out.
  2. 00:22:653 (1) - Maybe we should avoid "slider đè lên chính nó như vầy". Hard to follow for Normal kay
  3. 00:28:317 (2) - Same It's not that hard to follow. There is also a 1/2-beat slider after it so that you can't lose the tempo so easily.
  4. 00:29:995 (3,1,2) - Spacing and overlap error due to stack. (Như trên) Fixed.
  5. 00:44:244 (3,1,2) - Same Fixed.
  6. 00:46:132 (1) - ^^^ Fixed.
  7. 00:58:509 (3,4,5) - Blanket 00:58:509 (3,5) - was the blanket and 00:59:139 (4) - got stacked on 00:59:349 (5) - . I think just leaving it as it is should be fine.
  8. 01:04:174 (3) - Blanket Fixed.
  9. 01:08:579 (2,3,4,1) - Moar blanket Fixed all the stuffs as many ones complainted about it.
  10. 01:16:342 (1) - Moar weird slider Not that weird. :/
  11. 01:29:768 (1) - Why multiple repeat? (Có thể anh điếc cmnr) At the post-Kiai part I also mapped the guitar to make the difference with the leading part from 00:02:513 (1) - . Multiple repeat is for reducing the tempo the player gets through the Kiai part, or basically 'calming the players down'.

The rest are all great. I'm so bad, sorry.

Bubblun wrote:

depzdai's Normal

00:29:995 (3,1,2) - That partial overlap is unfortunate. You can break ds and space these out slightly so it doesn't look like that. I've moved it to slightly farther places. Thanks for your advice.

01:07:950 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern really doesn't look good for multiple reasons. I suggest completely redoing it. I'll do.

Props for incorporating uncommon slider shapes. Eee, I don't even know if it's a compliment or not Xd. If it really is, thank you. : D

Uta wrote:

depzdai's Normal
* Umm you are going to ignore the sound here 00:32:303 - At that part I mapped the guitar, not the vocal so no fix there.
* Can you consider to fix this buddy? 01:07:950 (1,2) -Yeah.

tatatat wrote:

Normal:
00:22:653 - You may want to make this slider's shape more simple and not overlap itself. It might be too confusing for a normal difficulty. Fixed.
00:32:723 - Consider moving this slider away from the end of the last slider since they aren't very close on the timeline. Fixed.
00:36:079 - Consider moving the end of this slider somewhere else, it overlaps the slider before it at 00:35:030 - . This one isn't really all that big of a deal though. That's my intention. It's not a reading challenge for novice players either imo.
Thanks LKH, Bubblun, Uta and tatatat for all of your useful mods! <3

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Winnie
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Winnie
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Parachute
317 posts
Joined October 2011
Parachute
Helloo, heres the mod from #modreq :3


General
00:39:419 - Before this timing-change the timing seems really off. It seems to get wrong already at about 00:22:653 - So you might want to have a look at your timing because at 00:37:758 - for example the piano sounds sound REALLY off already.

Look at aimod, apparently tags arent correct for the hard diff.
Also it tells you that kiai time on insane is not on a beat, prob because you changed timing once.


Easy
Hmm, it might get really confusing for beginners because the rhythm choices are sometimes really questionable...
00:09:226 (1) - Here this might be a slider to the next white tick
00:19:296 (1) - ^
Otherwise imo it gets really weird if you just skip a singing on white tick and start a slider on a red tick... (wont even get up your * so ..)
00:51:167 (1,1) - Recovery time seems a bit too little for beginners. Maybe end the spinner 1 white tick earlier, then the slider wont be on screen for 1 second already during spinner, which might irritate beginners anyways...


depzdai's Normal
00:26:639 (3) - This could look better by making the sliderpoint exactly in the middle (where your red point is), making it symmetrical just like the next long slider
00:32:303 - I feel like theres a note missing here after you mapped the singing previously, theres even a piano sound here so idk i really think there should be a note here. maybe stack it under the slider. this will also fix the spacing ^^
01:06:272 (1) - Dont think this many repeats fit here at all. Might want to make a circle instead of the last repeat.
01:21:377 (1) - What exactly does this represent? o.o
01:33:230 (1) - The spinnerend seems really weird for me. you could make it end on the last singing thing or just later in general but right there the end seems kinda misplaced because theres singing right before it and at the end theres really nothing.

Advanced
00:33:352 (2) - Blanket could be better. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8474213 (end and beginning of the slider are abit too far from previous one)


Kocari's Journey
00:02:093 (1) - Higher spacing here makes not much sense imo. id stack it over the end of 3
00:10:485 (3,1) - Why such low spacing here? o: i think it deserves more spacing but up to you really. (00:17:408 (6,1) - here you put higher spacing too for example but music wise its less emphasized imo)
00:20:555 (3,1) - This stack doesnt make much sense here. you never did it and its literally the same music here as above so id space em
00:34:401 (1,2,3,4) - I think spacing them out would be better here, but oh well. I can kinda get why you did it here.
00:40:258 (3,4) - Dont like this stack either :/ makes no sense and ruins flow for no reason imo.
00:46:132 (1,3) - Quote from ranking criteria: "When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in." (https://osu.ppy.sh/help/wiki/Ranking_Criteria/osu!). I dont think this rule is applied for these 2 sliders since when you play your map the second slider is already there when you finish the first one. Just rotate the second slider so you see its a slider.
01:29:349 (3,4) - Dont think this stack fits much

00:10:695 (1) - This nc seems random for me ^^
00:20:765 (1) - ^

Thats all (: pretty solid map already, gl! :3
Mir
osu! Alumni
2,151 posts
Joined July 2016
Mir
and im here again

[General]
- 01:33:230 (1) - ending this at 01:36:202 - for difficulties with a spinner could be cool since it ends on something audible
- tags on LMT's diff are screwed up

[Easy]
Only concern is the stacks under slider tails, those can be confusing for new players since they'll probably click too early and end up losing rhythm and stuff, maybe try to avoid these. Otherwise diff is good

[depzdai's Normal]
Concern here is slider shapes in the beginning are a bit exotic where the song is quite calm. I'd recommend changing ones like 00:12:583 (1) - 00:28:317 (2) - 00:46:132 (1) -

There are also some reading hazards like 00:19:296 (1,2,3) - 00:29:786 (2,3) - (players can mistakenly go for the reverse tick and not the slider head, it's a common misplay by noobs) 00:52:006 (2,3) - (same idea) 00:56:202 (1,2) - very elaborate overlaps (a good portion of the slider is hidden) 01:02:915 (1,2,3,1) - cluttered and could be hard to read 01:16:342 (1,2,1,2) - just too complicated for new players

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Use straightforward and easily understandable slider shapes. New players may not understand how to follow more complex shapes.
- 00:59:139 (4,5) - cool blanket xd
- 01:06:272 (1) - double reverses are discouraged in normal diffs since players will be unlikely to react to them in time, as usually they expect only one reverse

[Advanced]
- 01:05:432 (4,5,1) - visual spacing :(
- 01:16:761 (3) - hmm don't you think the snare on the end of this should be clickable instead?
- 01:20:957 (5) - I'd remove one reverse because 01:20:537 (4) - makes the player expect only one reverse, so they may release too early and mess up

[LMT's Hard]
- 00:31:674 (2,3) - ctrl+g'ing this rhythm fits vocals better imo
- 00:40:677 (3,4) - seems to be the only big jump for this calm section, consider nerfing?

[Kocari's Journey]
- 00:46:132 (1,3) - eyes emoji, again not really getting this being obviously copy-pasted, it actually is kinda hard to read lol
- 00:47:810 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - hmmmmmmm what about http://i.imgur.com/dRAkpVQ.png to get all the juicy beats clickable
- 01:07:111 (5,6,7) - flows a bit weird, ctrl+g 6?
- 01:09:523 - wouldn't this normally be a triple?
- 01:20:223 - 01:20:642 - 01:21:272 - ow rip 1/4 :(

My biggest concern is the readability of the Normal diff, it was mapped with advanced patterns so it's not exactly noob-friendly. the rest of the set is actually pretty good, so do some work with the Normal diff and you can call me to check it again
Yamicchi
1,175 posts
Joined May 2015
Topic Starter
Yamicchi

Parachute wrote:

Helloo, heres the mod from #modreq :3


General
00:39:419 - Before this timing-change the timing seems really off. It seems to get wrong already at about 00:22:653 - So you might want to have a look at your timing because at 00:37:758 - for example the piano sounds sound REALLY off already. Getting LMT to check it, since LMT did it for me.

Look at aimod, apparently tags arent correct for the hard diff.
Also it tells you that kiai time on insane is not on a beat, prob because you changed timing once. updated.


Easy
Hmm, it might get really confusing for beginners because the rhythm choices are sometimes really questionable...
00:09:226 (1) - Here this might be a slider to the next white tick not really tho cause if I make it a slider, it might end up on red tick, which is not recommended for Easy diff tho.
00:19:296 (1) - ^
Otherwise imo it gets really weird if you just skip a singing on white tick and start a slider on a red tick... (wont even get up your * so ..)
00:51:167 (1,1) - Recovery time seems a bit too little for beginners. Maybe end the spinner 1 white tick earlier, then the slider wont be on screen for 1 second already during spinner, which might irritate beginners anyways... the lowest drain time that is rankable is 800ms, which in this case is enough tho, and I don't think it's too short, because the next object is pretty near to the center, which can be easy to read tho


Advanced
00:33:352 (2) - Blanket could be better. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8474213 (end and beginning of the slider are abit too far from previous one) true, fixed


Thats all (: pretty solid map already, gl! :3
thanks for the mod :3~

Mir wrote:

and im here again

[General]
- 01:33:230 (1) - ending this at 01:36:202 - for difficulties with a spinner could be cool since it ends on something audible uhh did you write down the wrong timeline? :d
- tags on LMT's diff are screwed up fixed right after Parachute's mod

[Easy]
Only concern is the stacks under slider tails, those can be confusing for new players since they'll probably click too early and end up losing rhythm and stuff, maybe try to avoid these. Otherwise diff is good Got some opinion about this
Opinion
20:13 Yamicchi: hey I wanna ask you something
20:13 Yamicchi: in Easy diff if the time gap is too big, is stacking 2 objects a good option?
20:14 Garden: o
20:14 Garden: sure
20:15 Garden: I think if time gap is big enough it doesn't matter where you decide to place the next object.
20:15 Garden: stacking is intuitive and easy i personally prefer it lol
20:15 Yamicchi: well because someone said to me that "those can be confusing for new players since they'll probably click too early and end up losing rhythm and stuff"
20:16 Garden: it depends on when the approaching circle appears i guess
20:16 Yamicchi: oo
20:16 Yamicchi: ok thanks for the opinion

[Advanced]
- 01:05:432 (4,5,1) - visual spacing :( aaa fixed a bit
- 01:16:761 (3) - hmm don't you think the snare on the end of this should be clickable instead? there are a few more afterward, the music doesn't actually have a snare, it's Pika who hitsounded it, and I think advanced diff should not be forced to be clickable all the time tho, it might become a hard diff eventually hehe
- 01:20:957 (5) - I'd remove one reverse because 01:20:537 (4) - makes the player expect only one reverse, so they may release too early and mess up done

My biggest concern is the readability of the Normal diff, it was mapped with advanced patterns so it's not exactly noob-friendly. the rest of the set is actually pretty good, so do some work with the Normal diff and you can call me to check it again
Thanks for the mod <3 <3
Last edited by Yamicchi , edited 2 times in total.
LMT
535 posts
Joined October 2015
LMT

Parachute wrote:

00:39:419 - Before this timing-change the timing seems really off. It seems to get wrong already at about 00:22:653 - So you might want to have a look at your timing because at 00:37:758 - for example the piano sounds sound REALLY off already.
yo I was in charge of the timing.

The piano in the intro is kinda inconsistent but it averages out with this offset. There are other instruments that are also present like bells and vocals, so it makes the accuracy of the piano less important. Also timing accurately to each note kills playability quite a bit, especially in a calm section.

Hope that clears things up a little.

@Mir: fixed both!!

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osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 54104
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DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
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ArtistUnicode:坂本真綾
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Source:あまんちゅ！
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depzdai
152 posts
Joined July 2015
depzdai

Parachute wrote:

Helloo, heres the mod from #modreq :3

depzdai's Normal
00:26:639 (3) - This could look better by making the sliderpoint exactly in the middle (where your red point is), making it symmetrical just like the next long slider I had tested it before you said so. I think keeping it as it is is finer.
00:32:303 - I feel like theres a note missing here after you mapped the singing previously, theres even a piano sound here so idk i really think there should be a note here. maybe stack it under the slider. this will also fix the spacing ^^ I followed instrument sounds but vocal at that time.
01:06:272 (1) - Dont think this many repeats fit here at all. Might want to make a circle instead of the last repeat. Fixed.
01:21:377 (1) - What exactly does this represent? o.o The replica of the chill of the song beginning. Also the flow and the blanket are all good so yea.
01:33:230 (1) - The spinnerend seems really weird for me. you could make it end on the last singing thing or just later in general but right there the end seems kinda misplaced because theres singing right before it and at the end theres really nothing.Made it like the other diffs.
Thanks for the mod. :3

Mir wrote:

and im here again

[depzdai's Normal]
Concern here is slider shapes in the beginning are a bit exotic where the song is quite calm. I'd recommend changing ones like 00:12:583 (1) - 00:28:317 (2) - 00:46:132 (1) - Yeah. I've changed all of them.

There are also some reading hazards like 00:19:296 (1,2,3) - 00:29:786 (2,3) - (players can mistakenly go for the reverse tick and not the slider head, it's a common misplay by noobs) Yeah. I've moved these tails far away. 00:52:006 (2,3) - (same idea) Fixed. 00:56:202 (1,2) - very elaborate overlaps (a good portion of the slider is hidden) Fixed. 01:02:915 (1,2,3,1) - cluttered and could be hard to read I've changed all the patterns now. 01:16:342 (1,2,1,2) - just too complicated for new players Made these 1 beat instead of 3/2 beat.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Use straightforward and easily understandable slider shapes. New players may not understand how to follow more complex shapes.
- 00:59:139 (4,5) - cool blanket xd Thanks. XD
- 01:06:272 (1) - double reverses are discouraged in normal diffs since players will be unlikely to react to them in time, as usually they expect only one reverse Fixed.

My biggest concern is the readability of the Normal diff, it was mapped with advanced patterns so it's not exactly noob-friendly. the rest of the set is actually pretty good, so do some work with the Normal diff and you can call me to check it again Thank you very much for such useful advice. :D
Updated also with some more small tweaks
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Version:depzdai's Normal
Source:あまんちゅ！
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Mir
osu! Alumni
2,151 posts
Joined July 2016
Mir
oh yeah before i forget

firstly get a timing check, the beginning is off by a lot x.x

[depzdai's Normal]
- 00:08:387 (1) - would remove these types of ncs since density is really low :? // 00:14:261 (1) -
- 00:29:995 (3,4) - making these relate better would be cool, maybe straight sliders?
- 00:31:044 (1,2,3,4) - Too many clicks in succession for such a calm part if you ask me, maybe make 00:31:044 (1,2) - a slider cuz vocals are held here
- 00:35:660 (3) - could work as just a circle imo, since it might give you more room to play with 00:35:030 (2,1) - this slider-end overlap that's unadvisable in lower diffs. i did this http://i.imgur.com/7ueitZS.jpg but you can change it however you want
- 00:41:097 (1,2,3) - maybe try this http://i.imgur.com/rD16QTl.png might look nicer
- 00:42:775 (1) - mm i don't know about these circle sliders, they stand out a lot now since a lot of the sliders are fairly straightforward
- 00:52:845 (1) - i would actually keep this un-nc'd lol looks better that way :?
- 00:58:509 (3,4,5) - turn stacking on if you have it off and fix the blanket here? // 01:08:579 (2,3,4) -
- 00:59:558 (1,2) - these patterns don't really seem to fit much imo since a lot of the stuff so far in the map hasn't been symmetrical, i would try to make these more straightforward (i would also make these two the same slider or something) try: http://i.imgur.com/nFI1AvO.png maybe? or something along those lines
- 01:01:237 (1,2,3,4) - even more so, 120 degree patterns seem out of place for this difficulty considering what you've already mapped
- 01:04:174 (3,1) - avoidable overlap
- 01:06:901 (2,1) - centering this overlap would be cool like http://i.imgur.com/xLbSEAt.png
- 01:11:726 (2,3) - hmm particularly uncomfortable flow compared to the rest of the kiai..
- 01:23:055 (1,2) - maybe reverse slider here instead?
- 01:29:768 (1) - would remove one reverse and put a circle on 01:30:398 - instead since as i mentioned before, multi-reverses aren't really ideal

just some extra stuff for the normal (yes i used the update) don't kds this
also so i don't just have a post with a star that looks kinda bad
Skylish
1,070 posts
Joined June 2013
Skylish
Before Mir goes in depth, I wanna make a timing mod here, as requested by the mapper:
Why don't Mir check the timing as well :thinking:

835,419.58041958042,4,2,1,5,1,0
12583,418.994413407821,4,2,1,30,1,0
19286,419.58041958042,4,2,1,30,1,0
22642,422.535211267606,4,2,1,30,1,0
24332,419.58041958042,4,2,1,30,1,0


These should be all red timing points you need. The whole section before 00:26:010 - , the calm part, has slight BPM shifting, with unstable vocal. The above timings should be comprosied already.

> 00:39:436 - Previously, around this timing, an unnecessary red timing point is added. It's very off when it comes to Kiai and the section after Kiai. Now, with the removal of it and some re-arrangements of timings at 00:24:332 - , it should be fine right now.

* Remember to re-shift the green timing points and notes as well :>
Last edited by Skylish , edited 1 time in total.
LMT
535 posts
Joined October 2015
LMT
gonna mod Normal in english so Mir could actually see what would be discussed
  1. 00:42:775 (1,2) - kinda hard to recognise the rhythm with the way you present this pattern. Also looks like you're stuck with how things after this is laid out so no easy fix for you. A solution would be to forego the vocals on the 3/2 slider and change it to something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8481776 .
  2. 00:46:132 (1,2,3,1) - of course, fix this as well if you choose to fix that, even though this is how the previous pattern should have been presented.
  3. 01:16:342 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - the climax of the kiai is ironically the most simplistic, which is against what the music is doing.
    - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8481788 could try to follow the plucked violin since it has 1/2 rhythm while emphasising the prolonged violin with the 1/1 at the downbeat.
    - 01:19:698 (1,2,3,4) - make this part denser rhythmically so the player is aware of the climax. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8481805
  4. Both the intro and the outro are rhythmically denser than the kiai is the main issue, it's not even hard to cut it down. You can forego the instruments so the vocals stand out more in those sections,
    - for example: 01:23:265 (2,3) - you could just delete this.
    - could even simplify vocals like 01:24:314 (4,1,2,3) - could be as simple as https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8481828 and still make sense.
  5. 01:29:768 (1) - this is written in the guideline for normal that it should be avoided as the second arrow is visible for a very short period of time (in this case it's only visible for 210ms, which is like reading AR11!)
Yamicchi
1,175 posts
Joined May 2015
Topic Starter
Yamicchi
Fixed and updated Skylish's timing, awaiting for depzdai and Kocari to reply. Thanks for the check :3
Winnie
1,343 posts
Joined November 2013
Winnie
Fixed a lot of shit
osu file format v14

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Title:Million Clouds (TV Size)
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Artist:Sakamoto Maaya
ArtistUnicode:坂本真綾
Creator:Yamicchi
Version:Kocari's Journey
Source:あまんちゅ！
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Mir
osu! Alumni
2,151 posts
Joined July 2016
Mir
As Skylish so kindly suggested I recheck the timing along with you guys, I shall.

It's fine now.

Waiting for the reply on the Normal and I'll give a recheck.
depzdai
152 posts
Joined July 2015
depzdai

Mir wrote:

oh yeah before i forget

firstly get a timing check, the beginning is off by a lot x.x

[depzdai's Normal]
- 00:08:387 (1) - would remove these types of ncs since density is really low :? // 00:14:261 (1) - Also I will make it 2 beats/combo at the intro then for consistency.
- 00:29:995 (3,4) - making these relate better would be cool, maybe straight sliders? Ok.
- 00:31:044 (1,2,3,4) - Too many clicks in succession for such a calm part if you ask me, maybe make 00:31:044 (1,2) - a slider cuz vocals are held here I'll change it to a reverse slider as the pattern that I had built from 00:26:010 - to 00:39:436 - . In case you haven't realized yet, in that part I did follow the instruments but the vocal, since I want to build a progressive tune for the diff like how the song developed. However, the vocal seemed too rhythm-thick to follow at the very soon of the whole build-up from 00:26:010 - to 00:51:185 - , so I separated the it to two small periods: From 00:26:010 - to 00:39:436 - I would follow the instruments (since they were not as dynamic as the vocal) and from 00:39:436 - to 00:51:185 - I would follow the vocal (because I supposed it was about time I did so). As what I have interpreted, actually I want this combo to have some pattern different because I felt that the keys didn't went the same melody as others, but it was too excessive for the calm tune as you said. So yea, I'll change it like what I've said above.
- 00:35:660 (3) - could work as just a circle imo, since it might give you more room to play with 00:35:030 (2,1) - this slider-end overlap that's unadvisable in lower diffs. i did this http://i.imgur.com/7ueitZS.jpg but you can change it however you want As what I've said above, I will change the pattern without that overlap but also keep the note 00:35:870 - since I don't think that piano key should be missed, according to what I followed.
- 00:41:097 (1,2,3) - maybe try this http://i.imgur.com/rD16QTl.png might look nicer Changed, but not like your one.
- 00:42:775 (1) - mm i don't know about these circle sliders, they stand out a lot now since a lot of the sliders are fairly straightforward Yeah, I changed the rhythm as LMT's advice beneath.
- 00:52:845 (1) - i would actually keep this un-nc'd lol looks better that way :? Fixed.
- 00:58:509 (3,4,5) - turn stacking on if you have it off and fix the blanket here? // 01:08:579 (2,3,4) - Yeah, I will fix 00:58:509 (3,4,5) - , but 01:08:579 (2,3,4) - since the slider standing below the stack then it would be better if I get 01:08:597 (2,4) - for blanket (no fix, or yes since 01:08:597 (2,4) - are a little off, if it's your idea :d).
- 00:59:558 (1,2) - these patterns don't really seem to fit much imo since a lot of the stuff so far in the map hasn't been symmetrical, i would try to make these more straightforward (i would also make these two the same slider or something) try: http://i.imgur.com/nFI1AvO.png maybe? or something along those lines Changed like yours. Thanks for the pattern.
- 01:01:237 (1,2,3,4) - even more so, 120 degree patterns seem out of place for this difficulty considering what you've already mapped Changed.
- 01:04:174 (3,1) - avoidable overlap Moved it away a little using distance snap.
- 01:06:901 (2,1) - centering this overlap would be cool like http://i.imgur.com/xLbSEAt.png Done. Didn't think about it xd, though I wonder a bit whether which one is better, stacked with the sliderend or something like yours.
- 01:11:726 (2,3) - hmm particularly uncomfortable flow compared to the rest of the kiai. The flow will be easier to play now.
- 01:23:055 (1,2) - maybe reverse slider here instead? Yeah.
- 01:29:768 (1) - would remove one reverse and put a circle on 01:30:398 - instead since as i mentioned before, multi-reverses aren't really ideal Fixed.

just some extra stuff for the normal (yes i used the update) don't kds this Thank you so much for your extra stuff (: . Sorry for such a long interpretation above, but it's my idea to map the normal diff of this song unlike the other diffs.
also so i don't just have a post with a star that looks kinda bad

LMT wrote:

gonna mod Normal in english so Mir could actually see what would be discussed
  1. 00:42:775 (1,2) - kinda hard to recognise the rhythm with the way you present this pattern. Also looks like you're stuck with how things after this is laid out so no easy fix for you. A solution would be to forego the vocals on the 3/2 slider and change it to something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8481776 . Thanks for your pattern. It should be easier to follow now.
  2. 00:46:132 (1,2,3,1) - of course, fix this as well if you choose to fix that, even though this is how the previous pattern should have been presented. Yea, of course.
  3. 01:16:342 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - the climax of the kiai is ironically the most simplistic, which is against what the music is doing. I've realized your idea. But, I will change it in my way then.
    - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8481788 could try to follow the plucked violin since it has 1/2 rhythm while emphasising the prolonged violin with the 1/1 at the downbeat. From 01:16:359 - to 01:19:716 - It much focuses the violin and the orchestral keys so I don't want to map some plucked violin here, but add some notes between these 1/1 sliders to not reduce the flame.
    - 01:19:698 (1,2,3,4) - make this part denser rhythmically so the player is aware of the climax. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8481805 I will turn your circle 2,3 into a slider since from here the plucked violin went loud enough to be noticed and also I shouldn't raise the flame too hastily because of above.
  4. Both the intro and the outro are rhythmically denser than the kiai is the main issue, it's not even hard to cut it down. You can forego the instruments so the vocals stand out more in those sections, I don't think they are denser. I followed vocal in the intro and outro, with some more notes in the outro that I've written my reason below. There are many breaks, both long and short ones, and the number of long sliders (>1 beat) are quite fair in these periods in my opinion.
    - for example: 01:23:265 (2,3) - you could just delete this. These things are the only things which make the outro different from the intro. Since the outro are more atmospheric and dynamic than the intro (there are more background keys and the instruments is not only the piano), I will also follow the guitar in order not to make some stress there.
    - could even simplify vocals like 01:24:314 (4,1,2,3) - could be as simple as https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8481828 and still make sense. In the outro, being suddenly calm like this may cause misreading. Also, I think it's not a good idea to connect them with 01:28:108 (1,2) - after. And these and others, there are reasons for what I did these (though I don't think there are any 'others'). After all, I don't think they are too heated or too calm at all.
  5. 01:29:768 (1) - this is written in the guideline for normal that it should be avoided as the second arrow is visible for a very short period of time (in this case it's only visible for 210ms, which is like reading AR11!) Fixed.
Thank you very much for your useful mod. :3
Update
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Mir
osu! Alumni
2,151 posts
Joined July 2016
Mir
Rechecking

[Easy]
SPOILER
SPOILER
19:30 Mir: hi bakari
19:30 Mir: are you busy atm :x
19:30 Bakari: hey
19:30 Bakari: not really, just trying to realise what's happening
19:30 Bakari: came back after a short break :p
19:30 Mir: oh i see xD
19:31 Mir: erm, i need an opinion on something, is it okay if you can take a look?
19:31 Mir: it's not kpop or english unfortunately :x
19:32 Bakari: i guess i could give it a try, why not
19:32 *Mir is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1321437 Sakamoto Maaya - Million Clouds (TV Size) [Easy]]
19:33 Mir: the stacking of objects 00:02:513 (1,2) -
19:33 Mir: do you think this is sufficient time for a new player to realize the object is under it?
19:33 Mir: and to not click it preemptively
19:34 Bakari: yeah, why not
19:34 Bakari: besides, it's literally the very first pattern
19:34 Mir: yeah come to think of it
19:34 Bakari: players can just retry it anyway
19:34 Mir: alright
19:34 Mir: that should be fine then, thanks bakari~

It's fine I suppose.~

[Normal]
- 00:32:723 (1) - DS :?
- 00:35:031 - whistle here is really loud and other diffs don't have it, i suggest removing it

yeah it's fine now, nice~

[Kocari]
- 00:46:150 (1,2,3,1,2) - now the rhythm is weird asdasdasdasd i think it was better before cuz it followed the guitar on 00:46:779 - better like http://i.imgur.com/gmhHBEy.png

@Yamicchi pm me ingame after these things are addressed
fuck that whistle made me edit this post like 3 times
Winnie
1,343 posts
Joined November 2013
Winnie
Ok enough trolling the new BN this is the best I'll make it. I'm not changing after this I have my reasons
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Yamicchi
1,175 posts
Joined May 2015
Topic Starter
Yamicchi
All updated with metadata changed. Source in description, let's go~
Mir
osu! Alumni
2,151 posts
Joined July 2016
Mir
A million clouds.~

SPOILER
09:26 Yamicchi: yo
09:26 Mir: aloha
09:26 Yamicchi: everything is ready
09:27 Mir: o did you change some tags or something
09:27 Yamicchi: I changed the metadata after asking Delis
09:27 Mir: ah okay that's why
09:27 Yamicchi: removed TV Size and changed to Maaya Sakamoto instead xd
09:27 Yamicchi: the link are all in the description tho
09:29 Mir: okay metadata looks good
09:29 Mir: easy: 00:31:045 (2) -
09:29 Mir: this is so close to offscreen you might as well move it up a bit
09:30 Yamicchi: ok lemme updated it
09:30 Mir: just a sec
09:30 Mir: im going through it another time
09:30 Yamicchi: ok
09:31 Mir: 00:39:419 - eeee timing line isn't snapped here
09:31 Mir: if you can do snap it please xD
09:31 Yamicchi: a ok
09:32 Mir: looks like we have some general issues to take care of first
09:32 Mir: kocari and LMT's diff don't have video?
09:32 Yamicchi: woa is that so?
09:32 Mir: http://i.imgur.com/yEIPyYZ.png
09:33 Yamicchi: lemme add in real quick
09:33 Mir: seems your custom hitfinish isn't used either
09:33 Mir: the normal one
09:34 Mir: if it is do tell me where, since MA can be wrong sometimes
09:34 Yamicchi: oh that must be the old hitsound I tried out
09:34 Yamicchi: removed
09:35 Mir: cool because that triggered the delay warning too lol
09:35 Yamicchi: lol
09:35 Mir: 01:33:982 (1) - in kocari's diff
09:35 Mir: the spinner ends a bit earlier on the sound
09:35 Yamicchi: 01:36:394 - ?
09:36 Mir: it's kinda tilting me that it's inconsistent so, maybe do that for the other diffs?
09:36 Mir: 01:36:185 - it ends here
09:36 Yamicchi: should I change on Kocari's diff?
09:36 Mir: you can
09:37 Mir: 01:37:338 - rest of the diffs end it here
09:37 Yamicchi: ok made it end on 01:37:338 - as the others
09:37 Mir: okay
09:37 Mir: updateo~~
09:37 Yamicchi: updated
09:39 Mir: alright looking good

Set is looking good, let's give this a shot. Bubbled.

Good luck!
Kibbleru
osu! Alumni
5,844 posts
Joined August 2013
Kibbleru
easy
00:51:185 (1,1) - spinner recovery time too short
00:02:513 (1,2) - im not too sure about these stacks here.. maybe AR3 will help a bit

normal
spread kinda sucks lol,, theres a huge gap from easy to normal and then normal advanced hard is like.. sorta linear
this normal seems basically like an advanced if it were on higher bpm
00:18:448 (6,7,8,1) - this stop and go flow is not suitable for this diff
00:55:171 (3,4,5,1) - ^
00:58:527 (3,4,5,1) - etc..
00:38:597 (2,1) - cant u make this overlap look.. nicer?

how i see it you basically have an easy, 2 advance diffs, hard and insane.. do something about that pls

advanced
01:10:485 (3,1) - the overlapping here looks really bad

hard
00:02:513 (1) - 00:05:869 (1,2,3) - why is the rhythm different here lol

winnie
01:37:338 - dude 5% this please lol


pop was mainly for spread and the spinner recovery issue, please redo the normal and make something more suitable
(the overlapped 1/2 cs 3 style)

once u do that go poke mir for a rebubble
Winnie
1,343 posts
Joined November 2013
Winnie
HEHE XD
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: amanchu.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 54122
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.2

[Metadata]
Title:Million Clouds (TV Size)
TitleUnicode:Million Clouds (TV Size)
Artist:Sakamoto Maaya
ArtistUnicode:坂本真綾
Creator:Yamicchi
Version:Kocari's Journey
Source:あまんちゅ！
Tags:opening op amanchu! depzdai LMT Kocari
BeatmapID:1321438
BeatmapSetID:-1

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4.2
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:8.5
SliderMultiplier:1.65
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
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Mir
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Mir
Ehhh I thought spinner was okay for this BPM but apparently not.

As Kibble said, PM me in-game for a recheck, and what may actually be better is just get another mod or two on the Normal (maybe by the other members of the set?) before doing so to be 100% safe.
Yamicchi
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Topic Starter
Yamicchi

Kibbleru wrote:

easy
00:51:185 (1,1) - spinner recovery time too short fixed
00:02:513 (1,2) - im not too sure about these stacks here.. maybe AR3 will help a bit as Mir asked a few about this, and so do I, I think this will be fine. but ya buff the diff to CS3 AR3 is ok too imo

normal
spread kinda sucks lol,, theres a huge gap from easy to normal and then normal advanced hard is like.. sorta linear
this normal seems basically like an advanced if it were on higher bpm
00:18:448 (6,7,8,1) - this stop and go flow is not suitable for this diff
00:55:171 (3,4,5,1) - ^
00:58:527 (3,4,5,1) - etc..
00:38:597 (2,1) - cant u make this overlap look.. nicer?

how i see it you basically have an easy, 2 advance diffs, hard and insane.. do something about that pls I agree the spacing of normal is quite big but overall 0.7* and 0.5* is not actually a big problem tho

advanced
01:10:485 (3,1) - the overlapping here looks really bad fixed

hard
00:02:513 (1) - 00:05:869 (1,2,3) - why is the rhythm different here lol lmt asked me to fix, done

winnie
01:37:338 - dude 5% this please lol talked to Kocari, fixed


pop was mainly for spread and the spinner recovery issue, please redo the normal and make something more suitable
(the overlapped 1/2 cs 3 style)

once u do that go poke mir for a rebubble
Here we go again *sigh*

Edit: Advanced was the diff I added after all the others were finished due to the giant gap between normal and hard. As in my opinion objects gap between normal and advanced are acceptable, as advanced has 1/4 slider in kiai, other section might not be counted in because the rhythm can't be overmapped as anything harder. Easy - normal is also not that bad, we see that kind of gap in most of the set like this. I hope this is still acceptable since the GDer worked really hard on the diff recently I don't wanna cause him in some sort of remap or what I've seen him struggling enough
Kibbleru
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Kibbleru
its just really unbalanced. because u have like 2 advanced diffs.
Yamicchi
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Topic Starter
Yamicchi

Kibbleru wrote:

its just really unbalanced. because u have like 2 advanced diffs.
Yes I talked to a few people about this, lemme try to talk to the GDer when he's online
LMT
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Joined October 2015
LMT
Wasn't happy with how dense 1/2 in the intro and outro still, 4 1/2 clicks with 1/2 sliders afterwards is very dense for a Normal, it is even denser than the kiai where the climax should be. You could always simplify the vocal rhythm in calm part and follow it closely in the kiai to make a better contrast and more reflective of the song, at the same time meeting spread requirements.
LMT
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Joined October 2015
LMT

Kibbleru wrote:

hard
00:02:513 (1) - 00:05:869 (1,2,3) - why is the rhythm different here lol actually reverting this change since the first one stress the downbeat while the second occurance has more emphasis on (3) than (1)
laptop was ded for a day ;(

thanks for the mod!
Mir
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Mir
Triples in the advanced are not mapped in the Hard, so holding off on the rebubble till that's addressed, also LMT's diff is missing a video again.

Courtesy of Yuii-'s impromptu check.~

I'll leave this metadata here as well just so I don't forget it exists.
SPOILER
http://i.imgur.com/c4aMjRL.png
Mir
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Mir
A million and.. one.. clouds?

It looks okay now, the spread issue seems fixed and other misc stuff has been addressed. depzdai and I have talked over his diff a couple of times and made some more changes.

SPOILER
17:57 Mir: as for you
17:57 *Mir is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1321476 Maaya Sakamoto - Million Clouds [Advanced]]
17:57 Mir: 01:11:954 (2,3) - i just noticed this visual flow is a bit weird
17:58 Mir: i was wondering if you might consider something similar to this http://i.imgur.com/CWVGV2z.jpg
17:59 Mir: 01:24:751 (1) - also this slider i'm still not 100% sure is okay because the border in the middle isn't visible
17:59 Mir: something like [http://i.imgur.com/o5d4I7t.png this] would be okay though
18:01 Mir: 01:27:898 (3,1,2) - the 1 has awkward visual flow implications so how about flipping it like [http://i.imgur.com/0vIAzIH.jpg this]
18:03 Yamicchi: k all fixed
18:04 Mir: alright upd00t
18:04 Yamicchi: aright waiting for my boi to send me the update :3
18:05 Mir: okiee
18:12 Yamicchi: updated
18:14 Mir: okay looks good
18:14 Yamicchi: okaii

SPOILER
17:27 Mir: hellooooo~
17:27 depzdai: Hi Mir.
17:27 Mir: do you have a moment to talk about your map
17:27 Mir: i noticed a small thingy that i'd like an explanation on
17:27 *Mir is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1321436 Maaya Sakamoto - Million Clouds [depzdai's Normal]]
17:27 depzdai: Ok.
17:28 depzdai: I'm ready.
17:28 Mir: 00:44:262 (1) - so this slider has a really strong note on the end, how do you feel about making 00:44:471 - a normal circle instead?
17:29 depzdai: I see. But I think it's too sudden so I changed it for gameplay.
17:29 Mir: the 1/2 slider?
17:31 depzdai: Oh.
17:31 depzdai: Oh yeah.
17:31 Mir: so you changed it just now or you're keeping it?
17:32 depzdai: I think I'll change it if it makes my map better.
17:32 depzdai: Something like this? https://puu.sh/wCfWI/bc5114159f.jpg
17:32 Mir: I was thinking just this http://i.imgur.com/O1b5xYm.png
17:33 Mir: so you don't have to move so much
17:33 Mir: you could even [http://i.imgur.com/cTgHkbW.png arrange it the same]
17:34 depzdai: But I guess I should also map 00:44:262 (3) - since I follow the vocal this part.
17:34 Mir: 00:44:262 - ?
17:34 Mir: hmm but
17:34 Mir: i think in being a normal difficulty you can be a tad selective on what vocals to follow
17:34 Mir: 00:44:471 - is a lot stronger so it is-
17:34 Mir: o
17:35 depzdai: Sorry.
17:35 Mir: noproblem
17:35 Mir: erm, as i was saying i think 00:44:471 - is a lot stronger so skipping the vocal before it still makes sense
17:37 depzdai: I think the vocal is the one that players hear and follow that time.
17:38 Mir: okay how about this instead one se
17:38 Mir: sec
17:38 depzdai: Also the spacing with the previous slider is 1 beat.
17:38 depzdai: So ez to follow.
17:39 Mir: how about this rhythm http://i.imgur.com/HRSbgPu.jpg ?
17:39 Mir: 00:42:793 - starting here
17:41 depzdai: But why don't we should start at the vocal?
17:41 Mir: 00:44:471 - because the downbeat is a lot easier for players to follow
17:41 Mir: new players play 4/4 rhythm a lot, so starting on a red tick is awkard
17:42 Mir: awkward*
17:43 depzdai: Your whole pattern is the compound of guitar and vocal.
17:43 Mir: isn't yours too?
17:44 depzdai: No, but I mean between 2 1-beat breaks.
17:44 Mir: well i don't really have a massive issue with it but what i do have a problem with is if you're going to do it so obviously removing the whistle at 00:44:471 - would give a smaller impression that it's stronger so both beats feel more equal
17:45 Mir: atm the whistle is making 00:44:471 - stand out but it isn't clickable, that's kinda the issue
17:45 depzdai: Oh.
17:45 depzdai: I got it.
17:45 Mir: the thing is that'd be kinda inconsistent with the rest of the difficulties which is why instead of changing hitsounding i'd rather just make it clickable
17:48 depzdai: So it's the case, I'll use the first pattern you've advised.
17:48 depzdai: Is it ok?
17:48 Mir: the one where you just change it to a circle should be fine
17:48 Mir: the only thing you should skip is 00:44:262 -
17:49 depzdai: And since I do it, I'll also change 00:47:618 (1) - then.
17:49 Mir: mhm
17:50 depzdai: Oh, is there anything else?
17:50 Mir: nope that's all
17:52 depzdai: Skipping vocal like this doesn't affect what I mapped at 00:40:905 (1,2,3) - , do you think?
17:52 Mir: nah i don't think so
17:52 Mir: that seems to be fine since vocals are a lot longer
17:53 depzdai: Thanks for your small notice. I'll pm Yami to update my map then.
17:53 Mir: Sounds good~~
17:54 Mir: hm
17:54 Mir: wait
17:54 Mir: eh nvm
17:54 Mir: don't wait lol

Metadata is in the post above, kwanfirmed.

Let's give it another go. Bubbled.
Yamicchi
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Topic Starter
Yamicchi
Thanks Mir, and wow what a long talk xd
Winnie
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Winnie
Yuii Came
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Winnie
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Joined November 2013
Winnie
Chatlog if Yuii hasn't posted yet
18:34 *Yuii- is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1321438 Maaya Sakamoto - Million Clouds [Kocari's Journey]]
18:34 Yuii-: this one
18:34 *Kocari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1321438 Maaya Sakamoto - Million Clouds [Kocari's Journey]]
18:34 Yuii-: just consistency
18:34 Yuii-: it's like 3/4 things
18:34 Kocari: aight
18:34 Yuii-: 00:05:450 (2,3) - vs every other pattern in the intro makes it weird
18:35 Yuii-: unstack works better
18:35 Yuii-: such as https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/AmjBa5n.jpg
18:35 Yuii-: for emphasis
18:36 Kocari: aight
18:36 Kocari: seems good
18:37 Yuii-: aight aight
18:37 Yuii-: 00:09:226 (1) - u sure about this n c
18:38 Kocari: I think that'd be more ok
18:38 Kocari: than for say
18:38 Kocari: 00:10:695 (1) - 
18:39 Yuii-: i'm ok with the nc on 00:10:695 (1) -
18:39 Yuii-: but the one on 00:09:226 (1) - looks weird
18:39 Kocari: alright I'll NC it then'
18:39 Yuii-: or instead, you could try to nc both 00:02:513 (3) - and 00:05:869 (4) -
18:41 Kocari: yeah
18:41 Kocari: I did all them
18:41 Kocari: it makes more sense that way for me
18:41 Yuii-: nice
18:41 Yuii-: mhm, agree
18:42 Yuii-: 00:15:515 - can i click this or nah?
18:42 Yuii-: you know, new beat, new vocal
18:43 Kocari: I took that into consideration when I made the slider, it blends in quite well 
18:44 Yuii-: so aesthetics basically?
18:44 Kocari: yeah
18:44 Kocari: otherwise if we're speaking on that level then I would do the same to 00:31:045 (1) - 
18:44 Kocari: since it would only make sense that way
18:45 Yuii-: yeah i supposed it
18:45 Yuii-: 00:15:934 (3) -  nc
18:45 Kocari: yeah I did that
18:45 Yuii-: 00:21:488 - 20% maybe?
18:45 Yuii-: or 10%?
18:45 Kocari: yeah
18:45 Yuii-: same for 00:25:066 -
18:45 Kocari: that'll work for sure
18:46 Yuii-: and last thing is that
18:46 Yuii-: 00:36:919 (4,5) - looks quite
18:46 Yuii-: t h i c
18:46 Yuii-: c
18:46 Yuii-: oh and that you could ctlr+g 00:40:695 (5) - because pressure is put into this note instead of 00:41:115 (1) - and that kinda sounds ew
18:47 Kocari: yeah
18:47 Kocari: that shit was a huge outlier 
18:47 Kocari: lol
18:48 Yuii-: hah yea
18:48 Kocari: fucking mir
18:48 Kocari: told me to ctrl+g that garbage area
18:48 Kocari: at 00:40:695 (5) - 
18:48 Kocari: now you tell to change back
18:48 Kocari: lel
18:48 Kocari: fucking mir
18:48 Yuii-: why would he  l o l
18:49 Kocari: to have more spacing with 00:41:115 (1) - 
18:49 Kocari: otherwise it'd be too close
18:50 Yuii-: but slider leniency
18:50 Yuii-: makes 5 have more emphasis than 1
18:50 Kocari: its just the way it flowed together was what I didnt like about it
18:50 Kocari: but I ctrl+g it back and moved them around a bit to fit 
18:51 Kocari: should be ok http://puu.sh/wEhQq/6dcec8f69d.jpg
18:51 Kocari: and at 00:36:919 (4,5) - 
18:51 Kocari: http://puu.sh/wEhR2/383dd402a5.jpg
18:52 Yuii-: both are great
18:52 Yuii-: send the code to yamicchi
18:56 Kocari: aight
Yuii-
2,503 posts
Joined July 2013
Yuii-
all these maps that aren't alien

congrats!!
(by the way 01:03:562 (2) - on advanced, that's surprisingly onscreen)
0109-
337 posts
Joined June 2013
0109-
wtf 3 ranked map in 1 month
pls yami
LMT
535 posts
Joined October 2015
LMT
Grz
Mir
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Mir
i got scared for a second thinking it was another pop

Grats!!
Yamicchi
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Yamicchi

Mir wrote:

i got scared for a second thinking it was another pop

Grats!!
Lol I saw your name on gmail, for a second I though it was a DQ lmao
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