Monstrata wrote:

Infel Phira

00:15:424 (2,3) - There's no need to use jumps here yet. Just Ctrl+G 3 and use regular spacing. The song is quite consistent here. You're already expressing the song well with slider variations.
00:27:124 (2,3,1) - Not really liking the structure here. Spacing from 1> 2's slider end and 1> 3's head is different which makes it seem less equidistant. You could try a double blanket with 2 and 3 and integrate 1 that way.

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00:36:124 (2,1,2) - Keep the visual spacing more consistent here.
00:46:324 (4) - The curved part just feels too uh, uncurved lol.

Smoother pls, so ppl can actually notice the curve when playing

01:00:125 (3,4) - The 1/3 jump here just felt uncharacteristically large especially in comparison to 01:00:776 (5,1) - that occurs right after. Imo, keep 00:59:963 (2,3,4) - similar in spacing because circle > object jumps are much harder than slider > object jumps since theres no slider leniency involved.
01:02:076 (3,4) - Same idea. This feels harder than 01:02:727 (5,1) - . Especially since you can easily abuse slider leniency when playing 5.
01:06:141 (4,5,1) - Honestly, this structure isn't good. You're creating an extremely different gameplay experience through movement between 4>5 and 5>1. Just compare the spacing and flow. Are the notes really that different? Imo, they aren't, so the justification here isn't good.
01:16:385 (5,1,2) -Your spacing is going to confuse people honestly. Why not add another circle on 01:17:524 - ? The gap will cause ppl to jump to 2 early, thinking it's a 1/3, and the fact that there's a note on 01:17:524 - just makes it more confusing. - agreed, changed
01:18:824 (1,2) - This, (and subsequent ones) are a lot better, since you use a visibly larger spacing. Good.
01:23:540 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Idk... I don't think jumps and sharp angles are the way to go here. This doesn't deserve a jump sequence imo. If anything, you could do like small spacing (like 01:23:865 (2,3) - ) but the way this is mapped overemphasizes the importance of these notes imo... - changed entirely, i kind of agree
01:37:686 (2,3) - I recommend using a slider here instead, because there are a lot of different layers represented here. It's hard to discern snapping based on what you've been following so far, and yea, using 2/3 rhythm is a bit hard to anticipate given the 1/1 and 1/2 rhythm you used earlier.
01:56:385 (2,3,4,1) - Flow really sucks here. Why are you using flowbreaks like this ;c. It's a calm section, let the notes be where the slider is pointing towards. 01:59:800 (1,2,3,4,1) - is much better. - agreed
02:24:190 (2,3,1) - Spacing is rather questionable here... 2>3 - fixed
02:26:629 (4,5) - Use a slider too. Very tempting to click on 02:26:873 - cuz of the note there. - alright
02:30:044 (4,5,6) - Could be spaced more similar structurally.
02:44:678 (1,2) - Same as earlier about spacing being confusing due to the different rhythm being used here. 02:48:580 (1,2) - Much better.
02:52:483 (1,2) - ^ - changed
02:58:824 (2,3) - I would Ctrl+G. Flows better to me, and 1>2 since it's a slider to circle jump it won't feel as strong. Gives a structural consistency to 03:00:288 (1,2) - too. - sure
03:11:995 (4,1,2,3) - Visual spacing can definitely be improved here imo, with respect to the slider's borders this time.

Whta i mean by borders

03:20:288 (2,4) - Make these the same shape? I don't see why they are different
03:43:215 (1) - Use a slider instead. Forcing the player to play a 2-beat spinner just isn't appropriate imo. It demands very fast movement here, which I don't think it what you want, given how you've used slow SV's and are basically winding the mapping down. The song as well, is fading into a quiet section so yea. slider. - done for shurelia
03:54:922 (3) - Cool idea.
03:58:824 (3) - I don't think this follows the same idea tho, mainly cuz the voice doesn't seem that warbly. But this is subjective i guess - fixed

Last kiai was quite well done.

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I feel like this still could use some more polishing, though you could do that on your own by applying stuff that I said to other sections that also fit. The main concern is really spacing and emphasis control.

Monstrata wrote:

Infel Phira

00:15:424 (2,3) - There's no need to use jumps here yet. Just Ctrl+G 3 and use regular spacing. The song is quite consistent here. You're already expressing the song well with slider variations. right
00:27:124 (2,3,1) - Not really liking the structure here. Spacing from 1> 2's slider end and 1> 3's head is different which makes it seem less equidistant. You could try a double blanket with 2 and 3 and integrate 1 that way. right, double blanket is better at here

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00:36:124 (2,1,2) - Keep the visual spacing more consistent here. ff
00:46:324 (4) - The curved part just feels too uh, uncurved lol. someone finally noticed this holy,

Smoother pls, so ppl can actually notice the curve when playing

01:00:125 (3,4) - The 1/3 jump here just felt uncharacteristically large especially in comparison to 01:00:776 (5,1) - that occurs right after. Imo, keep 00:59:963 (2,3,4) - similar in spacing because circle > object jumps are much harder than slider > object jumps since theres no slider leniency involved. right, nerfed it
01:02:076 (3,4) - Same idea. This feels harder than 01:02:727 (5,1) - . Especially since you can easily abuse slider leniency when playing 5. yea , nerfed
01:06:141 (4,5,1) - Honestly, this structure isn't good. You're creating an extremely different gameplay experience through movement between 4>5 and 5>1. Just compare the spacing and flow. Are the notes really that different? Imo, they aren't, so the justification here isn't good. yeah,
nice catch.
01:16:385 (5,1,2) -Your spacing is going to confuse people honestly. Why not add another circle on 01:17:524 - ? The gap will cause ppl to jump to 2 early, thinking it's a 1/3, and the fact that there's a note on 01:17:524 - just makes it more confusing. - agreed, changed
01:18:824 (1,2) - This, (and subsequent ones) are a lot better, since you use a visibly larger spacing. Good.
01:23:540 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Idk... I don't think jumps and sharp angles are the way to go here. This doesn't deserve a jump sequence imo. If anything, you could do like small spacing (like 01:23:865 (2,3) - ) but the way this is mapped overemphasizes the importance of these notes imo... - changed entirely, i kind of agree
01:37:686 (2,3) - I recommend using a slider here instead, because there are a lot of different layers represented here. It's hard to discern snapping based on what you've been following so far, and yea, using 2/3 rhythm is a bit hard to anticipate given the 1/1 and 1/2 rhythm you used earlier. right, changed it.
01:56:385 (2,3,4,1) - Flow really sucks here. Why are you using flowbreaks like this ;c. It's a calm section, let the notes be where the slider is pointing towards. 01:59:800 (1,2,3,4,1) - is much better. - agreed
02:24:190 (2,3,1) - Spacing is rather questionable here... 2>3 - fixed
02:26:629 (4,5) - Use a slider too. Very tempting to click on 02:26:873 - cuz of the note there. - alright
02:30:044 (4,5,6) - Could be spaced more similar structurally. whoaa, nice catch
02:44:678 (1,2) - Same as earlier about spacing being confusing due to the different rhythm being used here. 02:48:580 (1,2) - Much better.
02:52:483 (1,2) - ^ - changed
02:58:824 (2,3) - I would Ctrl+G. Flows better to me, and 1>2 since it's a slider to circle jump it won't feel as strong. Gives a structural consistency to 03:00:288 (1,2) - too. - sure
03:11:995 (4,1,2,3) - Visual spacing can definitely be improved here imo, with respect to the slider's borders this time. whoaa,learned something, Thanks

Whta i mean by borders

03:20:288 (2,4) - Make these the same shape? I don't see why they are different wooops
03:43:215 (1) - Use a slider instead. Forcing the player to play a 2-beat spinner just isn't appropriate imo. It demands very fast movement here, which I don't think it what you want, given how you've used slow SV's and are basically winding the mapping down. The song as well, is fading into a quiet section so yea. slider. - done for shurelia and i changed into something else instead
03:54:922 (3) - Cool idea. Thanks
03:58:824 (3) - I don't think this follows the same idea tho, mainly cuz the voice doesn't seem that warbly. But this is subjective i guess - fixed aaand improved

Last kiai was quite well done. Thanks

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I feel like this still could use some more polishing, though you could do that on your own by applying stuff that I said to other sections that also fit. The main concern is really spacing and emphasis control.

jonathanlfj wrote:

that song title tho

[Infel Phira]
01:28:580 (1,2) - this rhythm was hard to grasp the first time playing (tempted to hit as 1/2), you can fix that by adding another circle at 01:30:206 Mir's
02:25:166 (1) - missing a whistle here aaaa
03:15:410 (4) - random 1/3 slider in the middle of a 1/4 dominant section...intentional? nope, it's a mistake of mine. woops
04:06:019 (3) - if you listen at 25% you will see this is better snapped to 1/3 at 04:05:979 yeah, i can agree
04:31:019 (3) - if you want to follow the string closely it should end at 04:31:233 (1/16) Mir's
05:35:408 (4) - random 1/2 slider, everything in this section should be 1/3 snapped for consistency done, also did some adjustments for 05:35:084 (2,3,5,6,7) - so it won't damage the structure too much from the new snap. (since if I just change the slider's snap the distance between 4 and 5 would be too huge for no reasons. So, please do check about it and tell me if you're like it or not

yeah thats about it

Shurelia wrote:

jonathanlfj wrote:

that song title tho

[Infel Phira]
01:28:580 (1,2) - this rhythm was hard to grasp the first time playing (tempted to hit as 1/2), you can fix that by adding another circle at 01:30:206 Mir's
02:25:166 (1) - missing a whistle here aaaa
03:15:410 (4) - random 1/3 slider in the middle of a 1/4 dominant section...intentional? nope, it's a mistake of mine. woops
04:06:019 (3) - if you listen at 25% you will see this is better snapped to 1/3 at 04:05:979 yeah, i can agree
04:31:019 (3) - if you want to follow the string closely it should end at 04:31:233 (1/16) Mir's
05:35:408 (4) - random 1/2 slider, everything in this section should be 1/3 snapped for consistency done, also did some adjustments for 05:35:084 (2,3,5,6,7) - so it won't damage the structure too much from the new snap. (since if I just change the slider's snap the distance between 4 and 5 would be too huge for no reasons. So, please do check about it and tell me if you're like it or not

yeah thats about it

THank you!

Pentori wrote:

rip x( THE
[Infel Phira]
00:21:724 (2) - 00:27:124 (2,3) - 04:34:922 (3,4) - 05:13:944 (4,5) - 06:03:700 (1) - etc. you should snap your held slider ends to the songs beat structure. in the case where the music follows a swing beat you snap your sliders to 1/3 00:27:124 (2,3) - so 00:45:124 (2,3) - should follow the same idea as it's still the same beat structure about 00:45:124 (2,3) - i don't think the 1/3s would work at here since there's not strong supports for it to be 1/3d

also on the topic of held sliders i feel you could do more with the hitsounding. in a lot of places you have consecutive extended sliders 01:55:898 - 03:11:995 - where both slider head and end are providing the same feedback, creating a really jarring effect as there are only beats on the clickable objects. some solutions to this would be silencing the slider ends, or perhaps adding whistles to all clickable objects and lowering the volume so it isn't too overpowering

01:07:930 (2,3) - jump seems a bit big, afterwards you have similar visual spacing but a different rhythm 01:09:068 (1,2) did nerf
01:22:727 (5) - nc? fixed for Mir
01:50:044 (3,4,5) - musically this sounds like a simple 1/3 like 01:37:686 (2) - except uses different snapping which sort of breaks the playability imo. the harp actually exists on 01:50:369 - 01:51:019 - so i think it'd be beneficial to use the same snapping https://puu.sh/w5z4n/974ef892a1.jpg yeh,
1/3'd
01:52:971 (2,3,4) - personally i'd map the harp as its more rhythmic but this one is up to you barely hearing that, let's go with the vocal
01:54:028 (4) - but i think this should snap to white tick lol this actually a pretty ambigious one like the vocal is actually start on the current slider while the harp start on the big white nvm , let's use big white instead
03:00:776 (2,3,4) - 03:01:751 (6,7,8) - hm i think you should try keep the same visual spacing between these circles for a better aesthetic Mir's
04:03:093 (4) - why the weird snapping? could just shift it to the purple tick to be more coherent with stuff like 04:05:979 (3) - https://puu.sh/w5A23/f54ec0ce75.jpg yes
04:07:605 (2,3,4) - ^ they all sound the same, the minor deviations can be disregarded you sure? i mean, it's actually on the right snapping atm. But just to be safe so it'll looks a proper snap. I'm gonna change it to the 1/3s
04:17:198 (3,4) - could try spacing this more so the jump at 04:18:174 (6,1) - doesn't feel too random http://puu.sh/w5AeV/ccef841cfe.jpg sure
04:22:889 (1) - nc seems redundant de-NC'd
04:29:637 (4) - i dont think this is 1/6, there are only 3 distinct vocals here using 1/4 would be better Mir's
04:28:906 (2) - a bit questionable to map this, as the vocal can barely be heard Mir's
04:34:719 (2) - worth snapping to the red tick for playability. the variation in vocals are everywhere if u listen to stuff like 04:38:580 - the vocal is slightly late and its better to just ignore them in some cases. also 04:34:678 - has the instrument on it Mir's
04:52:481 (1,2,3,4,1) - flow gets really choppy here cause of all the sharp angles follow up by the wider angle 04:53:294 (4,1) Mir's
06:23:294 (1) - quite a strong hitsound to end on o_O theres nothing in the music, but i guess if u want to keep it for the effect then at least lower the volume lowered

drawing the line between playability and snapping perfectly to the music is always difficult, which makes modding/mapping songs like this quite hard. in a lot of these cases tho, the deviation from the main rhythm is so minor that i believe they can be simplified

popping for now due to some issues, but poke me when you reply

Shurelia wrote:

Pentori wrote:

rip x( THE
[Infel Phira]
00:21:724 (2) - 00:27:124 (2,3) - 04:34:922 (3,4) - 05:13:944 (4,5) - 06:03:700 (1) - etc. you should snap your held slider ends to the songs beat structure. in the case where the music follows a swing beat you snap your sliders to 1/3 00:27:124 (2,3) - so 00:45:124 (2,3) - should follow the same idea as it's still the same beat structure about 00:45:124 (2,3) - i don't think the 1/3s would work at here since there's not strong supports for it to be 1/3d

also on the topic of held sliders i feel you could do more with the hitsounding. in a lot of places you have consecutive extended sliders 01:55:898 - 03:11:995 - where both slider head and end are providing the same feedback, creating a really jarring effect as there are only beats on the clickable objects. some solutions to this would be silencing the slider ends, or perhaps adding whistles to all clickable objects and lowering the volume so it isn't too overpowering

01:07:930 (2,3) - jump seems a bit big, afterwards you have similar visual spacing but a different rhythm 01:09:068 (1,2) did nerf
01:22:727 (5) - nc? fixed for Mir
01:50:044 (3,4,5) - musically this sounds like a simple 1/3 like 01:37:686 (2) - except uses different snapping which sort of breaks the playability imo. the harp actually exists on 01:50:369 - 01:51:019 - so i think it'd be beneficial to use the same snapping https://puu.sh/w5z4n/974ef892a1.jpg yeh,
1/3'd
01:52:971 (2,3,4) - personally i'd map the harp as its more rhythmic but this one is up to you barely hearing that, let's go with the vocal
01:54:028 (4) - but i think this should snap to white tick lol this actually a pretty ambigious one like the vocal is actually start on the current slider while the harp start on the big white nvm , let's use big white instead
03:00:776 (2,3,4) - 03:01:751 (6,7,8) - hm i think you should try keep the same visual spacing between these circles for a better aesthetic Mir's
04:03:093 (4) - why the weird snapping? could just shift it to the purple tick to be more coherent with stuff like 04:05:979 (3) - https://puu.sh/w5A23/f54ec0ce75.jpg yes
04:07:605 (2,3,4) - ^ they all sound the same, the minor deviations can be disregarded you sure? i mean, it's actually on the right snapping atm. But just to be safe so it'll looks a proper snap. I'm gonna change it to the 1/3s
04:17:198 (3,4) - could try spacing this more so the jump at 04:18:174 (6,1) - doesn't feel too random http://puu.sh/w5AeV/ccef841cfe.jpg sure
04:22:889 (1) - nc seems redundant de-NC'd
04:29:637 (4) - i dont think this is 1/6, there are only 3 distinct vocals here using 1/4 would be better Mir's
04:28:906 (2) - a bit questionable to map this, as the vocal can barely be heard Mir's
04:34:719 (2) - worth snapping to the red tick for playability. the variation in vocals are everywhere if u listen to stuff like 04:38:580 - the vocal is slightly late and its better to just ignore them in some cases. also 04:34:678 - has the instrument on it Mir's
04:52:481 (1,2,3,4,1) - flow gets really choppy here cause of all the sharp angles follow up by the wider angle 04:53:294 (4,1) Mir's
06:23:294 (1) - quite a strong hitsound to end on o_O theres nothing in the music, but i guess if u want to keep it for the effect then at least lower the volume lowered

drawing the line between playability and snapping perfectly to the music is always difficult, which makes modding/mapping songs like this quite hard. in a lot of these cases tho, the deviation from the main rhythm is so minor that i believe they can be simplified

popping for now due to some issues, but poke me when you reply

Thanks!

PatZar wrote:

Let's map this Ar Tonelico - EXEC_CHRONICLE_KEY_.