Thanks for bringing up your concerns; it's taken me a while to go through them.
I've made some changes where I described and welcomed the opportunity to discuss one of my difficulties in detail. It seems that your priorities and mine as far as structures go may lie in different areas, but let me know what you think.Sonnyc wrote:
xxdeathx's Yuri.
00:01:529 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:04:272 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:07:015 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:16:958 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:19:700 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:22:443 (1,2,3,4,5) - Take a look on these parts. Every sections are a similar "yuri blah" vocals, and you've maintained a consistent rhythm. But that was all, nothing more than that. Every patterns were showing a different mapping concept starting from curve - linear rotation to slider mirrors, or even parallels. Such diversity felt too much to create any variation, but rather felt like an inconsistency which wasn't forming a good structure along the consistent music line.
00:03:586 (1,2,3,4) - 00:06:329 (1,2,3,4) - 00:09:072 (1,2,3,4) - 01:19:015 (1,2,3,4) - 01:21:758 (1,2,3,4) - 01:24:500 (1,2,3,4) - Same structure issue on these too if you understood my point on the first one. The overall flow feels like a zigzag, but the techniques weren't giving a consistent experience to create a structure on these parts. Square formation? Triangle? ctrl+G based zigzags? any consistent spacing concepts behind the placements? Couldn't really feel things being polished enough. "Such diversity felt too much to create any variation" - what does this mean? Is this not what variation means? In any case, it sounds like you don't like how the objects are placed differently at each corresponding part in the song. You haven't offered an alternative from which I can derive a sense of your ideal intentions, so I'll try my best to address what I think you are getting at. To begin with, I don't believe the current inconsistencies are as bad as you would have us believe. As you already noticed, the rhythm is already the same for each part. In addition, the only slider shapes used are straight or curved sliders. The sliders and circles are placed differently each time because I introduced enough variation such that the flow and cursor movement are somewhat different from pattern to pattern, but none are particularly distinct or more uncomfortable than any other so that the overall feeling of these parts doesn't change while avoiding the same patterns over and over. If you feel this is inconsistent, short of copying the same patterns every time to reuse, there's not much you can do here. Placing every group of 4 sliders and 5 circles in the same way in the name of consistency would frankly be quite boring and repetitive. Since this alone is unlikely to convince you any differently based on the nature of your criticism and that it relies on existing information, I'll try to explain my thought process for these parts. In general, for most of my jump patterns, the consistent spacing concept I am trying to enforce is larger spacing before a white tick than before a red tick when the emphasis is on the white ticks. The overall placement of the objects relative to each other matters less as long as the spacing adheres to this, but when I do the placement I try to follow as many of these concepts as possible when I map: stack with another object, evenly placed between two previously placed objects, form polygon with previously placed objects, acute angle between previous and next object, form symmetry with previously placed objects—and for pretty much every pattern I am able to explain my reasoning behind it using at least one of these. In following these concepts the final shape that any pattern takes does not have to be identical as long as it flows in a similar fashion (mainly acute angles). I have changed some jump patterns and slider placements to better reflect this, but again the shape formation is less important than the spacing.
00:09:758 (1,2,1,2) - 01:25:186 (1,2,1,2) - You've mantained a consistent symmetric mapping concept at the consistent part of the music. This was a good structure.
00:31:701 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - At here, you've quite made a zigzag flow based on a pentagon. 00:37:186 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Here (which is a similar music part), the flow concept itself is somewhat similar but I don't really see what formation this placements are based on. At least I can't tell it was a pentagon, or even a polygon. This wasn't a good structure. Again, the focus is more on ensuring that the relative spacing of objects within a single pattern accurately reflects the emphasis of the song
00:48:500 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - You'll want to strongly reconsider about this strong jumps. The scale of the jump felt too exaggerated compared to the intensity of this part of the song. Another similar consecutive jump usage I could found in this map was at 00:26:215 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) which had a smaller scale. While that jump felt to be supported by the music, 00:48:500 (1,2,1,2,1,2) having an even bigger jump didn't felt right in terms of the internal structure of the map while using the concept of a jump itself was okay to create a pressure. I feel like the song using these 1/2 vocals to build pressure during this part as it goes into the chorus is trying to be pretty intense so that the increasing spacing after each circle is an adequate build up leading into the kiai time.
00:51:415 - Try checking the kiai section by yourself along the overall structure concept I've provided at the previous mod lines. Think about the slider shape selections or mapping concept selections comparing by each mapping sections. Ask yourself why 00:59:129 (1) was an anchored shape, how it had a relation of song with 01:05:986 (1) where you've used that shape again. Why was 01:08:729 (1,3,1) all a similar wave slider while 00:57:758 (1,3,1) is having a very different concept? The anchored shape I admit is inconsistent, but for 01:08:729 (1,3) - 00:57:758 (1,3) - I don't really consider wave sliders all that different from singular curved ones.
While individual objects looked like a map in technical terms, the structures didn't really correlated very much with the song which I didn't considered high quality. Popping over quality concerns.
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