pinataman wrote:

I'm disappointed that you spent less than 10 min on this mod since I could use more help, but thanks for the mod.

Gaia wrote:

[ez]
00:03:806 (2,3) - probably a good idea to move both these up more for better flow fixed
00:06:910 (3,4) - vocals arent very strong here, so i highly recommend u push both back half a beat so they end on downbeats. also avoids the gross 3/2 rhythm u had too 00:08:289 - is a much stronger note than 00:08:289 (3,4) - so I will not take this advice though I did change the rhythm to avoid the 3/2
00:13:289 (3) - try this the original rhythm and this both suck, I'll go with whatever the BN says
00:18:806 (3) - ^ change this to 1/2? Same idea as before
00:26:048 (2,3) - flow can be improved if u remove the curve on 3 I agree but instead of a straight slider I made an anchored one
00:58:117 (1,2) - Fixed, that was a much better rhythm


glhf Thank you again for the mod

Kami-senpai wrote:

Sin's Easy

00:02:944 (1,2,3) - This flow angle is most definitely too sharp for easy. To improve upon it, maybe you can do something like this:

this way there won't be such a drastic change in flow angle that your original pattern makes Fixed

00:05:358 (1) - NC off here and NC on 00:05:703 (2) - here because of downbeat Fixed

00:11:910 (2,3) - Blanket is off. Also flow angle again is too sharp. I know you want to blanket them, but the slider has circular flow that points downwards. If you suddenly turn the flow 90 degrees, it'll make the play quite awkward for beginner players Fixed

00:20:703 (2,1) - Avoid this overlap Fixed

00:28:117 (2,3) - You could probably move 3 down some more while keeping ds to preserve the flow from 2 more. I moved 3 down a bit to make the flow better, but because of space limitations I do not believe I made it ideal, if you still don't like it please let me know

00:29:151 (3,4) - Same idea here ^

00:36:048 (1,2) - Same idea here, but this is much bigger of an issue than the previous two. The angle is more than 90 degrees, but in the direction opposite of the flow of 00:36:048 (1) - . For a beginner player, this will most definitely cause flow issues, so I strongly urge you to reconsider this Fixed
00:37:427 (3,1) - Same here as the one above. A suggestion would be to do something like this:

The flow is more in line and you still get that change of direction. Fixed
00:42:944 (3,1) - Can fix the overlap Fixed

00:43:634 (4,1) - For many parts like this, where the music direction changes or a new stanza begins, you keep the flow extremely well...almost too well in fact. Serectly Flow from Progressive xd Since in easy, you can't rely on spacing to give emphasis, you can only use slider shape and relative flow. A change in flow indicates emphasis while continuous flow is less emphasized. For parts like these where the stanza changes and a new section starts, you should change flow for the first slider or circle only. For the rest of the measure or the musical statement, you should preserve flow Thank you for the tip! I really appreciate it and will definitely use it in the future!

00:46:737 (3,1) - For example, here you had the right idea for flow change, even if the flow angle is indeed a tad too sharp

00:47:082 (1,2) - For consistency with 00:44:323 (1,2) - , whose flow angle is extremely sharp, you should consider making changing one or the other to fit the pattern Vocals on 00:45:703 - are much louder than 00:47:082 so I made the flow different

01:25:186 (3) - there's a whistle hitsound on the sliderslider portion, remove if unintentional Fixed

good luck! Thank you

Ohwow wrote:

from my M4M

[Sin's Easy]
00:00:875 - the 3/2 pause between (1) and (2) might be too tricky for easy difficulties. There is really nothing else to map to, and while it is not ideal 3/2 rhythm is rankable for easies
00:06:392 - same^. It also feels kinda weird to play since 00:07:599 - is a 1/1 pause. I recommend to just stick to 1/1 and 2/1 beats, which feels more natural to play for beginners. I know you're trying to map to the trumpets, but they are played an irregular beat that might be a bit too confusing for beginners top I play. I agree I made a new rhythm for this section with only 1/1 gaps Consider changing/getting rid of 3/2 breaks throughout the whole map. There are portions in the map where mapping 3/2 rhythms is the only option
00:13:806 (1) - I feel like pushing this to the white tick is better for the rhythm, and if you do that, maybe you can add a note at 00:13:634 I am following the trumpets in this section, to suddenly switch to the harmony wouldn't make sense
Curious on why 00:13:806 (1) - is repeating, but 00:19:323 (1) - is not, even though they are the same in the song. Making these two the same would ignore the sound on 00:19:323 (1) - , I believe what I have is playable and also makes 00:19:323 (1) - a clickable object
00:42:944 (3,1) - overlap Fixed
00:22:599 (1,2) - make them symmetrical by copy+paste+rotate180. It doesn't look symmetrical right now. Fixed
00:22:599 (1,2,3) - Also, move (1) to x359 y205 so that 1, 2, and 3 are lined up on a consistent curve, like this (Going to have to fix some spacing as a result of this change): https://i.gyazo.com/682669aeb0dce5b6ed3 ... fedee6.jpgFixed
00:44:323 (1,2,1) - I see you're trying to make a triangular pattern here, but it doesn't make sense to include 00:47:082 (1) - in a pattern with 00:44:323 (1,2) . I'd imagine 00:44:323 (1,2) - be its own (symmetrical) pattern and 00:47:082 (1,2) - be its own as well. I understand and agree but right now I cannot find a better pattern so I'll keep it till I do
01:14:668 (1,2) - Doesn't look too good since the 2nd slider is too close to blanketing the 1st slider. Either blanket or make it so that it doesn't look like a really bad blanket. That would cause some flow issues I'll leave it as it is now until I can find a better way to place them
Overall, i get you're trying to map to the trumpet, but i feel like mapping to the white ticked beat is much better and more natural for beginners to play. 3/2 rhythm is rankable and again some parts of the song require it
gl Again, Thank you very much for this mod!

Mir wrote:

Hi M4M return. Thank you very much for this mod!

[ General]

1. Your slider track and slider border isn't consistent throughout the difficulties? You caught us

[ Sin's Easy]

1. 00:42:944 (3,1) - Overlap doesn't look too nice. Fixed
   
2. 00:52:944 (2,3) - Blanket on the reverse could be improved. Fixed
   
3. 01:00:186 (3,1) - Blanket could be improved. Fixed
   
4. 01:00:875 (1,2,3) - Triangle could be improved. Fixed
   
5. 01:06:048 (4,1) - Visual distance from these two notes is closer than 01:05:013 (3,4), maybe make the slider jut out a bit more to fix that. Fixed
   
6. 01:14:668 (1,2) - This totally looks like it needs to be blanketed, and might look nicer if it were. This will cause some flow issues so right now I am working on a solution to make these two look nicer

Nothing much else to say that isn't subjective. Good luck with this.~ Once again, Thank you very much

Shiratoi wrote:

hello! return m4m

[sins' easy]
00:04:151 (3) - rhythm here sounds a little empty. try ending the slider here 00:04:841 - to follow the vocals that youve been doing 00:04:151 (3) - 00:05:013 - is a strong sound that wouldn't be represented if I ended the slider there
00:09:841 (1) - same thing here, you just put a slider here making it a little empty i suggest doing something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7667408 Fixed
00:13:806 (1) - i suggest doing the rhythm you did here 00:20:703 (2,3) - or add 2 1/1 notes here 00:14:841 - so the notes wont feel so empty making the same rhythm as that would not make 00:16:737 - clickable which is a strong sound. I think I'll keep what I have because it's playable and also makes 00:16:737 - clickable
00:23:289 (2) - rhythm here is a bit weird since youre ending the slider on the downbeat. try starting the slider here not ending for emphasis I'm expressing the vocals in this bit and 00:23:289 - is stronger
00:37:427 (3) - make this slider the same length as 00:36:048 (1) - , then just add a note afterwards to compliment the sound more? Fixed
00:40:186 (3,4) - this might be a little difficult to read since it breaks consistency with 00:39:151 (2) - so i would ctrl+g the slider and fix everything afterwards Fixed
00:42:944 (3,1) - nitpicking, but try not to make the sliders touch Fixed
00:55:186 (1) - spinner sound actually starts here 00:55:358 - imo. if you change, remember to end at same place The combo before the spinner is representing the trumpets so the spinner might as well. I would add a circle but then the distance between it and the spinner would be too small for an easy
01:07:772 (3) - i dont really like the rhythm here since i know you can do something better than ending the slider on such a prominent beat. you can make this slider a 1/1 slider then add a note afterwards Fixed
01:14:668 (1,2) - would look much better if it was a blanket Working on it
01:19:841 (3,1) - ctrl+g the rhythm here to make the downbeat clickable? sounds a lot better imo Fixed

Yohanes wrote:

Hello! Hello and thank you!

Sins' Easy
- 00:01:392 (2,3) - you can break this slider to 3/2 + circle to cover more sound in the music http://puu.sh/v3dlh/085c915ad5.jpg Fixed
- 00:05:703 (2,3,4) - you can change this rhythm into something like this to make it more predictable for new player http://puu.sh/v3dqC/2c347c74bb.jpg basically, keep them separated by 1/1 all the time Made something just as good
- 00:37:427 (3) - break this into slider+circle to cover the vocal as well http://puu.sh/v3dxg/2cfe9e9072.jpg Fixed
- 00:59:151 (2) - I think, it would be better if you map to the downbeat. It is more predictable, and you have the beat to based on. Sure it's probably not as interesting compared to what you did rn. But 1/1 is much more predicatble for newbies and that's basically an easy diff is made for http://puu.sh/v3dIG/8415ef5251.jpg. I agree and used a rhythm that works for me
- Same thing ^ also applies to other similar places on kiai ? ? Did you reread this

I hope this helps a bit It did thank you again
Good Luck!

Rizen wrote:

hi again Thank you for the mod!

[Sins' Easy]

1. 00:05:358 (1,2) - swap NC's around, the slider is the "measure reset" hence should be NC'd over circle 1 Fixed
2. 00:20:703 (2,1) - could you move slider 2 a little lower please, the overlap is not very pleasant to the eye ;( Fixed
3. 00:37:427 (3) - 2/1 slider then circle? current long slider is rather underwhelming Fixed
4. 00:42:944 (3,1) - same thing I mentioned before about overlaps Fixed
5. 00:49:496 (3) - not sure if intentional but from this point to 00:54:841 (4) - you started using 1.00x DS instead of the usual 0.90x It's intentional
6. 00:55:358 (1) - would prefer a circle at where the spinner starts then the spinner starts on the large white tick. that way, the spinner would represent the vocals at this part the distance between the circle and that would be too small for an easy
7. 01:19:841 (3,1) - perhaps swap the NC's around here as there is a rather long pause before slider 3 Fixed
8. 00:08:289 (4,1) - swap NC's around here? You NC'd the 3rd vocal hold as shown at 01:17:254 (1) - so could do at the beginning here too Fixed

i tried ;c So did I ;c

HighTec wrote:

M4M from SM8 Queue Thank you for the mod

[ Easy]

1. 00:05:358 (1,2) - would swap NCs to give the (2) the better emphasis that it deserves as its on a major downbeat Fixed
2. 00:11:220 (1) - why a slightly curved slider, if u remove the white point it almost makes no difference but it does make it looka little more polished w Fixed
3. 00:20:703 (2) - feel like this slider should end a little earlier, on 00:21:220 - as this is when the music really starts to change and thus imo deserves more emphasis 00:21:392 - is an important sound and would not be represented if I moved the slider to 00:21:220
4. 00:30:530 (1,2) - feeling like 4 circles could work here when using the right pattern. since all the white ticks here have some sort of strong sound, imo making it all clickable wouldn't be a bad thing to do here. it would also make the section more notable. it stands out in the music so why not let it stand out in the map as well? The patterns I made did stand out, up until then I used mostly curved sliders, not only that but the flow between the notes is a lot sharper, also your suggestion would be way to intense for this section of the music
5. 00:37:427 (3) - slider feels a little off rythm-wise as you didnt use such a long slider before in sections that are equally intense. it wouldn't be bad to map more 1/1s here imo Fixed
6. 00:43:634 (4) - feels a little off to me, as here you don't catch the vocals which you did do more heavily before. since the vocals start on 00:43:693 - , maybe it'd be better to [url=https://gabepower.s-ul.eu/HZnr3qKX make a rythm like this[/url] so that the instruments and vocals are clearly seperated and thus the emphasis is conistent I agree but I think that the trumpet on 00:43:634 - is an important sound and helps the transition to the heavy vocals on 00:44:323 -
7. 00:55:186 (1) - the vocals here start cheering on the major downbeat, not on the red tick (im imagining that that you wanted to emphasise that with the spinner) The combo before the spinner is representing the trumpets so the spinner might as well. I would add a circle but then the distance between it and the spinner would be too small for an easy
8. 01:14:668 (1,2) - seems like a good blanket oppertunity w That would cause some flow issues so right now I am working on a solution to make these two look nicer
9. 01:19:841 (3) - slider ends on a major downbeat, try to avoid that perhaps as the major downbeat is usually worth emphasising more than the rest Fixed

good luck~ Thank you again for the mod (I'm legit so tired right now came back from exams to a weekend of responding to mods, end my suffering ;-;)
edit: some changes to wording and fixed link

imoutosan wrote:

from someone's m4m

[Normal]
fine – nice

[Hard]
00:10:013 (1,2) - 3 circles or a reverse slider feels better, since 00:10:358 - is as strong as two former sounds – I don't feel the same way that 00:10:358 – is all that strong, current rhythm plays fine to me.
00:20:531 (4,1) - flow is a little forced to me... – blanket would look kind of bad then. I think the answer is to remap this pattern to both get a nicer flow and keep a good aesthetic, but I'm lazy enough and don't think the flow is bad enough that I should change

[Insane]
00:04:841 (2,3) - 00:05:186 (4,5) – ctrl+g – I think it's a mistake for me not to change this since a lot of people complained about this pattern, I'll try thinking of what I could do to address these concerns.
01:15:875 (1,2) - using the same rhythm as 01:14:669 (1,2) - could be better – the rhythms aren't the same in the music though, there are new trumpets here that would be better expressed with a higher note denisty.
01:25:617 - remove the drum sample – There is a drum sound in the music here, so I would need a better explanation of what the issue is with this hitsound.

[Idol]
I think cs4.5 fits the map better. some flow is a bit awkward under high cs – I think it's fine
00:16:565 (6) - move to somewhere more downward feels better – I moved it a little, but probably not nearly where you want it
00:34:668 (1,2) - looks too close – fixed
00:48:979 (2,4) - ^ – fixed
00:38:634 (6) - move to 4's right-downward? – yikes, that is a lot of emphasis on (6), and I think the following (1) note is way stronger. We really have different perspectives on this.
00:53:634 (5) – ctrl+g – I can kind of agree that it should be spaced more, but the aesthetics would look kind of look bad if I did so I think it's okay as it is.
01:15:875 (1) - ^ – [/color]
01:25:617 - same to insane

1. Please add "opening" to Tags since it's opening song. Then, i prefer to add character and singer name to Tags like ranked maps. It's good for searching.
   https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3515988

1. How about setiing combo colors?
2. 00:05:703 (1) - add a whistle to the slider tail ? you added it around here 00:00:186 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) -
3. 00:45:703 (1) - The new combo is not necesary from here because the number is too short.
4. 00:48:461 (1) - ^
5. 00:49:841 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Why did you use x1.00 distance only here ? I think you have to use x0.9 distance same as other part

1. 00:01:392 (3,4) - You didn't take the vocal 00:00:530 - at here 00:00:186 (1) - so i prefer to use one slider on here 00:01:392 (3,4) -
2. 01:05:530 - I feel kinda empty on here because you took the vocal sound at here 01:01:392 (2) -

1. 00:03:806 (3) - hmm, you made jumps by this slider on here at first part 00:00:186 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - . try to use about x1.50 distance like your pattern, It would be better for playing
2. 00:27:427 (5,2) - Please move this slider 00:28:117 (2) - for reading the number (2).
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 00:57:772 (2) - How about making jump on here ? It's strong sound~ would fit the music!
4. 01:02:772 (3) - add a whistle to here? I like your pattern of whistle at here 00:58:634 (2,3) -

1. 00:02:944 (1,2) - try to use 1/1 slider like your pattern at here 00:01:392 (1) - ? It would fit the vocal
2. 00:05:359 (5,6) - These notes looks bad to me, How about this ?
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 00:49:841 (1) - move this slider down for making the spacing equal at here 00:49:841 (1,2,3) -

alacat wrote:

hi from my queue

[General]

1. Please add "opening" to Tags since it's opening song. Then, i prefer to add character and singer name to Tags like ranked maps. It's good for searching.
   https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3515988 -- thanks for that, I thought my tags were too short

[Normal]

1. 00:01:392 (3,4) - You didn't take the vocal 00:00:530 - at here 00:00:186 (1) - so i prefer to use one slider on here 00:01:392 (3,4) - -- There's no vocal at 00:00:530 -, but I tried it, and it does feel better. However, I feel like I would have to make places like 00:00:186 (1,2) - and 00:02:944 (1,2) - into one slider to be consistent, and that doesn't feel like a Normal, so no change.
2. 01:05:530 - I feel kinda empty on here because you took the vocal sound at here 01:01:392 (2) - -- this was a tricky rhythm to map. The trumpet at 01:05:703 (5) - is really strong, so I feel like it has to be a circle, and I tried putting a circle on this place you mentioned but then two circles feels too intense. I can see my rhythm being wrong overall, but I can't find something else that is right.

[Hard]

1. 00:03:806 (3) - hmm, you made jumps by this slider on here at first part 00:00:186 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - . try to use about x1.50 distance like your pattern, It would be better for playing -- I want that note to feel stronger because the lyrics feel emphasized, but I did change it so the jump isn't too big
2. 00:27:427 (5,2) - Please move this slider 00:28:117 (2) - for reading the number (2). -- fixed
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 00:57:772 (2) - How about making jump on here ? It's strong sound~ would fit the music! -- Increased the spacing a bit, but probably not as much as you would want
4. 01:02:772 (3) - add a whistle to here? I like your pattern of whistle at here 00:58:634 (2,3) - -- I like it, added to the other diffs

[Insane]

1. 00:02:944 (1,2) - try to use 1/1 slider like your pattern at here 00:01:392 (1) - ? It would fit the vocal -- yes
2. 00:05:359 (5,6) - These notes looks bad to me, How about this ? -- that's a nice pattern, but it's too intense to fit in the map. I remapped this pattern to make it better
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 00:49:841 (1) - move this slider down for making the spacing equal at here 00:49:841 (1,2,3) - -- this is different to provide a calmer feeling, and I don't think it looks bad, so I'd like to keep it as is

That's all ~ highest diff is cool! Good luck :3 -- thanks for the mod!

alacat wrote:

hi from my queue Thank you very much for the mod!

[Sins' Easy]

1. How about setiing combo colors? Fixed
2. 00:05:703 (1) - add a whistle to the slider tail ? you added it around here 00:00:186 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - Fixed
3. 00:45:703 (1) - The new combo is not necesary from here because the number is too short. Fixed
4. 00:48:461 (1) - ^ Fixed
5. 00:49:841 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Why did you use x1.00 distance only here ? I think you have to use x0.9 distance same as other part Fixed

That's all ~ highest diff is cool! Good luck :3 Thank you again for the mod!

imoutosan wrote:

from someone's m4m Thank you very much for the mod!

[Easy]
00:08:289 (3) - start at 00:08:979 - feels better to me. try change this to a circle+slider? Fixed
00:26:737 - better not to skip this sound, I guess Fixed
01:00:186 (3,1) - blanket could be better Fixed

1. 00:04:841 (2,6) - Stack them properly
2. 00:10:186 (2,6) - same
3. 00:16:392 (5,6) - 5 should be a bigger jump than 6
4. 00:26:737 (2,5) - again stack
5. 00:38:634 (6,1) - this jump feels really big compared to the rest, since there isn't something important at 1
6. 00:49:841 (1,2,3) - this plays really weird the linear pattern feels super out of place, I'm sure you can do something better here.
7. 00:51:220 (1,2) - same as above
8. 01:02:254 (1,2,3) - the jump should be at 2 not at 3
9. 01:05:358 (2,3,4) - the angle is really uncomfortable to play
10. 01:08:461 (5,6) - the spacing is too short, both beats are really heavy
11. 01:23:289 (2,4) - stack
12. a jumpy map would feels better with higher circle size

1. 00:10:013 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - stack properly pls, they don't affect the readability at all
2. 01:08:461 (5,6) - both beats are really strong the spacing is too short
3. good map

1. 01:08:203 - the pattern is super overlaped, clean it up
2. 01:22:772 (1,2,3) - great!

Natsu wrote:

placeholder, btw the guy above me told me to don't mod this hahaha

Natsu wrote:

placeholder, btw the guy above me told me to don't mod this hahaha -- gotta love sins

TOP DIFF

1. 00:04:841 (2,6) - Stack them properly -- Wanted to reject this at first on account of readability, but after further examination, there probably is enough time between them that it's not that big an issue isn't it? fixed all these
2. 00:10:186 (2,6) - same
3. 00:16:392 (5,6) - 5 should be a bigger jump than 6 -- I'm not trying to go with that clap sound, but i see your point and made them equal
4. 00:26:737 (2,5) - again stack -- (Edit:) Here though, I think it does affect readability, so not stacking perfectly
5. 00:38:634 (6,1) - this jump feels really big compared to the rest, since there isn't something important at 1 -- Did a slight nerf to the spacing, but the intention is still to emphasize it because it's a downbeat with a drum and strong vocal.
6. 00:49:841 (1,2,3) - this plays really weird the linear pattern feels super out of place, I'm sure you can do something better here. -- It's intentional for this pattern to feel restful. I want to start this section off calmly so that I can build off of it into something stronger. I think it's fine, but I did try to add a bit of a curve feel to it to not look so bland, let me know if that's better
7. 00:51:220 (1,2) - same as above
8. 01:02:254 (1,2,3) - the jump should be at 2 not at 3 -- Nerfed slightly, but the snare/clap is not the focus of the map. So much of what I'm trying to do is based off the vocals here, and the note at (3) is strong. I was thinking maybe I could stack (3) under 01:02:168 (6) - but ended up liking what I had better.
9. 01:05:358 (2,3,4) - the angle is really uncomfortable to play -- It's a pretty similar flow to 01:04:496 (4,5,6) - and other comfortable back and forth patterns, so I'm not exactly sure what you dislike about the pattern. A brief description of how you feel would help, but I have an idea that might make this more likable, let me know what you think.
10. 01:08:461 (5,6) - the spacing is too short, both beats are really heavy -- Buffed slightly, but again, the focus of the map is on the vocals. I really feel like these cymbals act like a moment of rest for the strong vocal notes and want the cymbals to not be so big of jumps
11. 01:23:289 (2,4) - stack
12. a jumpy map would feels better with higher circle size -- To a certain audience that's true. To others it's not. I think enough people will be happy with these smaller circles.

Insane

1. 00:10:013 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - stack properly pls, they don't affect the readability at all -- Kept the (5,7) stack since that does affect readability, but changed the other (Edit) No change
2. 01:08:461 (5,6) - both beats are really strong the spacing is too short -- similar kind of thing from top diff. The intention is to keep this calm, but I did buff it a bit
3. good map -- glad you liked it!

Normal

1. 01:08:203 - the pattern is super overlaped, clean it up -- fixed
2. 01:22:772 (1,2,3) - great! -- thanks Jojo!

the top diff need some clean up, othe than that the map is good, maybe alacat will bubble it? if alacasito bubble I can check it after him. -- I'm not good enough to spot issues that need to be cleaned up, so I'll try to get another pair of eyes on this. Will ask alacat if he's available. Thanks so much for the mod and star!

Edit: I recently played the top diff of this mapset https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1206875 and was upset by the stacking at 01:40:670 (1,4) - . I realized that even if the circles are 3/2 beat away, it's still possible for some players to misread due to stacking. Offsetting the stack slightly would give the player more of a chance to see the next object, and I think the loss in aesthetics is very minimal. So in order to decide whether I should stack perfectly or offset it a bit, I should compare the play experience to those who misread the pattern versus those who appreciate the nicer stack and could still play it. I don't have any data on what players prefer, but I have to imagine that creating a negative play experience upsets those players more than a messy stack would to the others, so I'd like to keep some of the offset stacks.

1. 00:05:186 (4,5,6) - flow feel broken here
2. 00:08:979 (2) - some slider art like 00:05:703 (1) - 00:06:910 (1) - ?
3. 00:10:013 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this jump can be better, the angle on 00:10:530 (4,5,6,7) - pretty bad
4. 00:30:530 (1,2,1,2) - can use higher slider velocity imo, its not prominent enough now
5. 00:56:737 (1,2,3,4) - bigger jump? its feel too conservative

1. 00:10:013 (1,2) - how about make into one reverse slider, can be better on catching vocal
2. 00:30:530 (1,2,1,2) - imo it a bit difficult to distinguish the rhythm here
3. 01:18:720 - its always feel missing something here

1. 01:15:530 (2,3,4) - imo this rhythm would be more nature here
   
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1. 00:42:599 (2) - maybe make this one to 375|295 for more linear flow which would be better for beginner?
2. 00:58:806 (2) - do 2 1/1 instead to have more priority on the vocals?
3. 01:07:772 (3) - would do only a 1/1 instead a 2/1 because the current one has a strong instrumental at the slider end but with the circle after the slider you priority the instrumentals something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8256107
4. 01:17:254 (1) - you are following mostly the vocals but here you are ignoring them.

1. AR5 is better it's not high bpm stuff so it should be okay for beginners
2. 00:41:220 (6,3,4) - Overlap
3. 00:52:600 (1,2) - Blanket
4. 01:05:013 (4,5) - ^
5. 00:55:358 (1,2) - the slider (1) is for following vocals but ignores a pretty strong instrument
6. 01:12:427 (2,5) - try to stack or fix the overlap in a other way

My Angel Kanan wrote:

random mod because when i see idols i want to mod lol just a quick look Hi thanks for the mod on my easy ^^

[Easy]

1. 00:42:599 (2) - maybe make this one to 375|295 for more linear flow which would be better for beginner? The flow here helps emphasize the vocal on 00:42:599 - without being too overwhelming and I don't really see it as a problem. I think I'll keep what I have
2. 00:58:806 (2) - do 2 1/1 instead to have more priority on the vocals? That means a slider head being on 00:59:496 - which isn't even a vocal? I'll keep what I have as it represents all the vocals
3. 01:07:772 (3) - would do only a 1/1 instead a 2/1 because the current one has a strong instrumental at the slider end but with the circle after the slider you priority the instrumentals something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8256107 Sure
4. 01:17:254 (1) - you are following mostly the vocals but here you are ignoring them...What? lol the slider on the time stamp you linked doesn't ignore any vocals :p

gl Thanks again

Rizia wrote:

sorry for late – sorry for late response

[Idol]
any reason on using small circle size like this? its look like a very common cs4 map only – I played it on CS 4 and it was too easy. I felt like I didn't have enough room to do jumps unless I wanted to do full screen jumps. Then I remembered how Irreversible gave himself room to do hard jumps by making the CS small on maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/295753 and it really works. I like the small CS and I know there is an audience that agrees.

[Insane]

1. 00:05:186 (4,5,6) - flow feel broken here – you mean spacing? Yeah, you're right, I kind of go overboard with how much rest I add to this. It's just that the aesthetics are so demanding on this pattern. Found something else that feels more normal.
2. 00:08:979 (2) - some slider art like 00:05:703 (1) - 00:06:910 (1) - ? – I think of 00:08:289 (1,2) – as a collective unit, and collectively these notes are different from the other ones. Even the (2) note is on a different pitch, so I don't want to associate those notes.
3. 00:10:013 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this jump can be better, the angle on 00:10:530 (4,5,6,7) - pretty bad – what don't you like about it? Made it more pentagonal, but if that's not what you were hinting at then please explain in more detail.
4. 00:30:530 (1,2,1,2) - can use higher slider velocity imo, its not prominent enough now – Yeah, used 1.20x SV and it feels good. Wish I had thought of that before I mapped the chorus because only 1.10x SV on the kiai will feel a bit underwhelming, but I'm too lazy to remap it under a different SV
5. 00:56:737 (1,2,3,4) - bigger jump? its feel too conservative – The general feel of this pattern is intentional, and I'd like to explain why. I think the expert of this map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/421936 is terrible. I really dislike playing it. Don't get me wrong, 99% of what Bearizm does is amazing, and his technique is superb. However, the chorus is just wrong. The most high-energy part of the song is the beginning of the kiai, and yet they are mapped so weakly with two long reverse sliders. Compared to the intense drum jumps before it, the map feels nothing like the song since there is no energy on the chorus, and it's so terrible of a play experience that the rest of the map doesn't make up for this. I will never do anything like this in any of my maps. If Bearizm is allowed to have such a drastic error in pacing in making the drums feel stronger than the kiai, then I ought to be able to make less of an error in making the drums feel weaker than the kiai. I feel Bearizm's pacing is similar to a fair amount of other ranked maps, and if having that kind of pacing is "right," then I hope to stay wrong.
   However, I'm not a complete twat. I see what you mean and tested a scaled up version of what I had and I think it adds a little. The real issue that I see though is that kiai needed to be 1.20x SV to raise its intensity a little bit because that's the part I feel is too conservative, and by raising the intensity there, the increased intensity of the drums here would make more sense. It's hard, though, to make a good pacing curve when I'm not the target audience because I think all these jumps are easy, so it's hard to tell when I go overboard and when I am underwhelming.

[Hard]

1. 00:10:013 (1,2) - how about make into one reverse slider, can be better on catching vocal – yes, this works so well.
2. 00:30:530 (1,2,1,2) - imo it a bit difficult to distinguish the rhythm here – what do you mean by this? Rhythm seems very obvious to me. Would need more details on how you feel before I can admit there's a problem here.
3. 01:18:720 - its always feel missing something here – Tested it with a note here as a triple and it felt terrible. This difficulty can't accept rhythms denser than a triple without feeling overdone. I like it more the way it is.

[Normal]

1. 01:15:530 (2,3,4) - imo this rhythm would be more nature here – This rhythm can feel natural, but it doesn't fit well with what the other rhythms in this map are trying to do. The two reverse sliders go with the melody notes well, so I'd like to keep them

good luck! – thanks for the mod!

My Angel Kanan wrote:

random mod because when i see idols i want to mod lol just a quick look

[Normal]

just minor things

1. AR5 is better it's not high bpm stuff so it should be okay for beginners – I like AR 4.8, I don't feel the higher AR is necessary
2. 00:41:220 (6,3,4) – Overlap – in game play, these objects have faded enough that it's not really an issue
3. 00:52:600 (1,2) – Blanket – sure
4. 01:05:013 (4,5) - ^ – it's fine
5. 00:55:358 (1,2) - the slider (1) is for following vocals but ignores a pretty strong instrument – Yeah, I thought ending the slider early would be weird, but after testing it out, putting a circle on the downbeat works better.
6. 01:12:427 (2,5) - try to stack or fix the overlap in a other way – in game play, these objects have faded enough that it's not really an issue

gl – thanks for the mod!

Naotoshi wrote:

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idol

00:12:944 (2,3) - make this a slider cuz 00:13:117 (3) - has nthing on it so its kinda lame to hav a click there
00:18:461 (2,3) - – Yes

tbh i rly dont like how u put drum hits in the same patterns / same spacing as the trumpet melody, it takes the focus off of what youre actually clicking on lol – I wish I heard this 3 years ago when making Cartoon Heroes. I felt like I was getting shit on from mods for following vocals and not following percussions on the downbeats/claps etc. This led me down a different school of thought, and now I can't prioritize small melody notes over strong drums as much. I try to balance both the melody and the drum in the map, which is usually stressful and unsuccessful. I think your more ambitious attitude towards the vocals is actually a better mindset to have, but that's no longer the perspective I can take, which is the main reason I will reject some of the upcoming suggestions. Now allow me to be salty for a little bit. My map Sorairo concerto has been repeatedly held back from ranking because I choose to follow the melody over the drum/percussion. This makes feel alienated from receiving both criticism to follow the drum and to not follow the drum. But that's just me being grumpy, it's actually refreshing to see someone encourage more vocal rhythms.

anyway

00:26:910 (3,4) - slider plz – This really exmplifies the above mindset. If I were to make (3) a slider, it feels impossible to acknowledge the drum since ending it anywhere feels inappropriate for the drums, and I can't allow myself to ignore the drum completely. I think the current rhythm balances the melody and the drum the most appropriately.

00:35:358 (3,4) - slilder plz – there are drums, and mapping these drums help set up the drums at 00:36:737 (3,4,5) – which I have to do since there is no singer there.

00:37:254 (6,1) - u put a giant jump for the vocal but then u dont put a slider on the vocal as well lol just ctrl g this – The mindset behind mapping it this way was to pick up the downbeat. Originally I didn't like your suggestion because that puts a circle on a red tick with no musical note, but after actually testing it, it plays surprisingly well. I will trust you that I won't get yelled at too much for making that odd circle

00:52:082 - slider plz – Take a look at 00:50:530 (3,4,5,6) - . Do you hear how the drums are doing some ½'s? The mindset behind the current pattern was to use 00:50:530 (3,4,5,6) – as a set up to build tension and then release that tension with a bigger version of it at 00:51:910 (3,4,5,6) - . I did test your rhythm though and it played very well as well, so if I wasn't paying as much homage to the drums in this difficulty I would definitely do it.

00:53:979 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - ok u need to actually follow the trumpet melody here plz, a bunch of random 1/2 jumps is just totally not representing the song – Tested, and yes I agree, ½ sliders play better. However, “random” is a little harsh since I think there is a valid reason for having these. Using 1/2 rhythms allows me to have a clickable object on the clap hitsound which is important to me. Additionally, following the exact rhythm of the melody doesn't always express the melody well. My go to example is in the expert of https://osu.ppy.sh/b/912431. At the beginning of the kiai, the long reverse sliders go with the long vocals, but they are not representative of the high energy that the new kiai brings, and this makes the most exciting part of the music feel very weak. As another example, this is one of Blue Dragon's deleted maps: http://puu.sh/wIaqM/8fe8107af3.osz . In his second kiai, he goes exactly with the singer, and runs into the exact same problem. So at 00:53:979 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - , I thought that taking a bit from the drums by going into ½ rhythm would increase the tempo to match the intensity of these stronger, more prominent trumpets and create a better paced part of the music. I would still be fine ranking a version like that, but I do thank you for calling me out on this since this increased tempo wasn't worth it.

insane

iori is cute in this bg

00:26:910 (3,4) - slider plz – there are drums

00:37:082 (5,6,1) - the vocals change here but u completely ignore that cuz the pattern or rhythm dont change at all, u shd distinguish it somehow – changed the rhythm and went through a few different iterations, but I think I found something that works.

00:38:289 (4,5,6) - these r the vocals but u put it in a pattern with a random drum sound at 00:38:117 (3) - so that kinda fucks up the patterning – This is true aesthetically, but that's not important. What is important is the gameplay, and the gameplay is different on (4). There's mostly a calm smooth flow into (3), but it's at the start of (4) that the player has to break that flow and angle in a different direction. That's the new flow that emphasizes the new vocals.

00:54:323 (2,3,4,5,6,7) – plz – yes

01:25:013 (1,2,3,1) - this is cancer to play – This is halfway towards amazing feedback. I admit I get caught up in my own perspective, so having someone call me out on making the map too crazy is one of the most useful things a modder can do. I can definitely see why you feel that way and am open to ways to make you not feel as bad. What I want more from this feedback is a direction to go in. What are the exact features that made this poor to play? Was it just too tough to read (and if so, what should I do to address that)? Was the ¼ spacing too much? Was it fine to read, but did the transition to a different rhythm feel inappropriate? Did you feel this way about the extra? Are there any ways you would specifically address this pattern while keeping the spirit of the increasing the tempo? Please find me in game to discuss this more (or more likely, I'll do that)
From our discussion, you said that you did not like the wide angles. Wide angles are not hard to snap when the DS is low. At that point it just becomes linear flow. Since you continued to have a problem with it even after the DS became so low that the difficulty of the pattern itself did not seem to cause problems, I feel like you just don't like that kind of flow, but I hope you can be receptive to the audience that does.

hard

00:01:392 (1,2,3) - random nazi visual spacing mod – nice catch, thanks!

00:25:530 - uh hello vocal
00:25:358 (2,3) - ctrl g – I tested this and was really unhappy with it. This part of the song/map is too mindless. It's so dominantly a “hit the white ticks” section that going on the red tick is too spicy for what the music calls imo (especially from a more global perspective as opposed to a more local one). Going with the drums more and hitting the white ticks feels better.

00:36:910 (4,5,1) - u shd put the 1/1 slider on the red tick at 00:37:254 - for the extended vocal!! – If I was going with the vocals more then yes, but I'm too focused on the drums throughout this map, so I didn't like the suggestion as much here

normal

00:59:323 (4,5) - make this 1/1 slider 1/2 slider plz – yes

lmk wen u respond x d -- thank you so much for the mod! very helpful and it's allowed me to reconsider some of the rules I normal restrict myself on when mapping. Looking forward to working out some of the kinks and seeing what you think.