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Lami

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Lami 2016-08-18T05:17:56+00:00

Lecana's Insane

00:09:949 (8,2) - hiding reverse arrow is rankable nowadays?

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2016-08-18T06:46:59+00:00

Lami wrote:
Lecana's Insane

00:09:949 (8,2) - hiding reverse arrow is rankable nowadays?

hitburst doesn't actually last long enough to cover.

Yuii- wrote:
01:04:284 (2) - Not specifically unrankable, but fixing the snap on the Advanced difficulty would be nice. I don't get it. what's wrong with this one?

@Del: Your hitsounds are literally inaudible, except for the clap. Everything else seems non-existent. agree, kiai could at least be 70-80%
@Lecana: I love your difficulty, it is really well done, in my opinion. Although the hitsounds are barely audible, there must be at least a 20% difference between music-effects to make them noticeable. Sections like 00:57:572 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - lack of hitsounding as a whole. agree here
@Karia: 01:10:369 (5,1,2) - Plays quite poorly, this transition feels weird. It does not look bad in the editor, though. Would you mind stacking (1,2) please? i think he was trying to be consistent with the previous non-stacked parts
@Meg: Most of your finishes throughout the Kiai seem randomly placed. Especially the ones on 01:08:900 - they do not even go along with the music itself. You could definitely improve that. Also, 01:02:397 (2,3) - is a pain to play, that spacing and the flow to the left is so hard to catch up Could you consider something like this or even changing the whole pattern? (Personal opinion).

Personally, I do like the set, but the hitsounding could be heavily improved. Not only in terms of volume, but some hitsounds seem randomly placed and without a certain patterning.
Good luck and play Lecana's difficulty, you will not be disappointed !

(And yes, Shadow has a point.) Nonetheless, sometimes hearing to more opinions can be good ^^

-NanoRIPE-

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-NanoRIPE- 2016-08-18T07:27:54+00:00

Grats kak!! ~

Meg

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Meg 2016-08-18T09:22:21+00:00

oh gratz

Akitoshi

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Akitoshi 2016-08-18T09:24:04+00:00

Congrats guys!

lolia

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lolia 2016-08-18T17:17:45+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
@Karia: 01:10:369 (5,1,2) - Plays quite poorly, this transition feels weird. It does not look bad in the editor, though. Would you mind stacking (1,2) please?As kib said, I wanted to keep prev speed. Plus, I'd played my diff many times but never felt it's weird.

chainpullz

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chainpullz 2016-08-19T05:47:36+00:00

Shad0w1and wrote:
Don't get depressed by the hate votes.
"Don't make a piece that 90% people satisfied with, but make a piece that 70% people hates and 30% love."
Nice job, Nice song.
We need more interesting maps.

^This (though difficulty & pp are 100% irrelevant in the end)

Low bpm doesn't get enough attention imo. In general the lower the bpm the more expressive/technical a song tends to be which really opens up all sorts of possibilities for creativity when it comes to mapping. It's just sad that people fixate so much numbers be it pp or star difficulty.

People fixate on things like "I can play most X.X* maps but I can't play this one it must be bad and/or I don't like it because of that."

Similarly they hate patterns that replace spacing with harsh flow because "I can play large jumps but I cant even hit these tiny ones this mapping sucks" failing to realize that such patterns are meant to replace large spacing, not to be easier than it.

It honestly feels like people are starting to forget that osu is more than just an aim game these days tbh. In mania people don't hesitate to do things like map 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/6, 1/8, 1/12 all in the same chart if it's in the music even if it makes the chart less playable. Harder to read isn't always a bad thing like everyone tends to make it out to be these days. In the end most music has structure and it's not really up to the mapper to hold the player's hands if they can't hear it.

(tbh idk why I'm posting this and this isn't really related to the map but if it inspires even 1 more interesting map mission accomplished I guess?)

Del05

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Del05 2016-08-20T13:03:54+00:00

Wow many post after qualified xD (i dont when it is qualified)
i still busy with my university event, but i will replied yuii post as soon as possible

Surono

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Surono 2016-08-20T21:09:21+00:00

-[ AmiShici ]- wrote:
Senengnya masi bisa ngerank map. Aku mah apa. Udah sirna harapan. wkwkwk

Gratz btw

ngopo iki, ngebaper.

pindah bedug aja
ez, just "don kat done" :^)

-[ AmiShici ]-

-[ AmiShici ]- 2016-08-21T08:19:06+00:00

Surono wrote:
ngopo iki, ngebaper.

pindah bedug aja
ez, just "don kat done" :^)

Wkwkwk. Angel pak ngemape.mbok Beduge jebol koh lah :'v

Surono

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Surono 2016-08-21T09:04:07+00:00

-[ AmiShici ]- wrote:
Wkwkwk. Angel pak ngemape.mbok Beduge jebol koh lah :'v

ki lho kwkwk, wingi aku pamer ngebedug pas adzan berkumandang. jebol jebulane *sakjane keluwihan Spirito desu* wadohhhhhh wkwkkwkw xd

JBHyperion

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JBHyperion 2016-08-22T16:05:39+00:00

I agree with Yuii- that the hitsounding could be improved here. The chime/jingle hitwhistles (SC:3, SC:99) aren't too bad, as they're used in relatively calm parts of the song, but the kick drum hitwhistle (SC:1) plays throughout and is practically inaudible during the rest of the map - especially in the kiai. As such, it doesn't provide anywhere near enough feedback to the player in these sections.

Aside from that, there was a point for Meg's diff that was not yet responded to - please address this also before pushing the set back towards qualification.

Good luck!

Meg

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Meg 2016-08-23T04:37:17+00:00

JBHyperion wrote:
Aside from that, there was a point for Meg's diff that was not yet responded to - please address this also before pushing the set back towards qualification.

wtf should i reply all with quote?
of course i have checked all mods and wrote fixing points.
also appreciated to them

if need it, i'll reply them.
but... it's minor thing imo xd

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-08-24T13:56:22+00:00

I admit that the volume can be adjusted. But could someone explain how to actually improve the hitsound patterns?

Yuii- wrote:
Personally, I do like the set, but the hitsounding could be heavily improved. Not only in terms of volume, but some hitsounds seem randomly placed and without a certain patterning.

Lecana's diff has a bit random hitsound patterns but it's like the mapper's feeling on the song. I don't really agree with it actually, but yeah the mapper can consider adding logics on every hitsounds too.
But I don't get what's wrong with other diffs' hitsounds. The song itself is not that consistent so it can be varied from parts to parts, emphasizing what's strongest on each of them. It already seems pretty consistent for me. If you can provide some examples, we can discuss them I think.

Del05

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Del05 2016-08-25T11:09:43+00:00

I agree with doyak

And if you mean by volume i have make it louder as like said in yuii mod

Yahuri

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Yahuri 2016-08-26T09:56:05+00:00

wew hitsounding

01:44 *Del05 is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1000740 Shiena Nishizawa - The Asterisk War]
01:45 Yahuri: ill start on one of the lower diffs first Dx
01:45 Del05: um... jbh said
01:45 Del05: sure

01:45 Del05: about smth consistensy and volume xD
01:45 Yahuri: uh
01:45 Yahuri: i aint gonna check your entire mapset if thats what u were asking for
01:45 Del05: sure

01:46 Del05: just check my diff only
01:46 Del05: karia, lecana, and meg diff is okay
01:46 Del05: are okay
01:46 Yahuri: ok
01:46 Del05: thank you

01:47 Del05: ah.. celcius diff is fine too no need to check it
01:47 Yahuri: is the normal whistle for piano?
01:47 Del05: for the ting sound at the beginning i think
01:48 Yahuri: 00:04:075 - there might be the sound here but its significantly softer than others, so maybe remove the whistle
01:49 Del05: removed
01:49 Yahuri: 00:04:285 - whistle here but you didnt map that
01:50 Del05: lol yeah xD
01:50 Del05: lemme change it then
01:51 Yahuri: 00:09:215 - remove clap and add whistle
01:51 Yahuri: 00:09:425 - add clap
01:52 Del05: but it is alreayd whistle
01:52 Del05: it is for advanced right ?
01:52 Yahuri: 00:10:893 - remove clap and add whistle
01:52 Yahuri: umm
01:52 Yahuri: its says clap for me
01:52 Yahuri: did you make changes?
01:52 Del05: i think let try like this
01:52 Del05: you can check my hyper diff only
01:52 Del05: i will copy the HS
01:52 Yahuri: lol
01:52 Yahuri: ok
01:53 Del05: sorry xD
01:53 Yahuri: its k
01:53 Yahuri: i dont have anything more fun to do

01:53 Del05: it is easier to check 1 diff and copy it lol
01:53 Del05: lol
01:53 Yahuri: hitsound consistency is a pain :c
01:53 Del05: yeah xD
01:54 Yahuri: 00:09:215 - remove clap and add whistle
01:55 Del05: fix
01:55 Yahuri: 00:09:425 - remove whistle and add clap
01:56 Yahuri: 00:10:893 - remove clap add whistle
01:56 Del05: fixed
01:57 Yahuri: remove clap add whistle
01:57 Yahuri: add clap remove whistle 00:12:781 -
01:57 Del05: fix
01:57 Yahuri: 00:12:572 - remove clap add whistle
01:58 Del05: fixed
01:58 Yahuri: same thing i said about every single other slider XD 00:14:250 (4) -
01:58 Del05: yup
01:58 Del05: already fix all of them actually lol xD
01:59 Yahuri: 00:15:194 (1) - remove finish
01:59 Del05: fix
01:59 Yahuri: remove whistle add clap 00:16:138 -
02:00 Del05: fix
02:00 Yahuri: same fix as the first sliders 00:17:607 (4) -
02:01 Del05: fixed
02:01 Yahuri: 00:18:656 - remove clap
02:01 Del05: remove clap ?? it will different with the prev part
02:02 Yahuri: the thing is
02:02 Yahuri: theres nothing there
02:02 Yahuri: except whatever that other background thing is
02:02 Del05: um.. it is true xD
02:02 Del05: the part is different
02:02 Del05: okay fixed
02:03 Yahuri: 00:19:495 - the pitch is a bit higher than usual so you could put a clap maybe
02:03 Yahuri: check the GD diffs tho
02:04 Yahuri: 00:20:229 (1) - removes finish
02:04 Del05: okay
02:04 Del05: fixed
02:04 Del05: i will check them
02:04 Yahuri: 00:20:858 - add clap
02:05 Del05: `add clap and remove whistle ??
02:05 Yahuri: theres a lower pitch in there i think
02:05 Yahuri: it might be the bass
02:05 Del05: oh so use both of them
02:05 Del05: okay
02:06 Yahuri: remove whistle add clap 00:20:963 (4)
02:06 Yahuri: 00:21:076 - remove clap add whistle
02:07 Yahuri: 00:21:278 - change this to whatever you were using for the non-hitsounded stuff
02:08 Del05: okay
02:09 Yahuri: 00:22:851 - add clap
02:09 Yahuri: remove clap add whistle 00:22:956 (4) -
02:10 Yahuri: 00:24:635 (4) - ^
02:11 Del05: fixed
02:11 Yahuri: 00:25:998 - remove hitsounds
02:11 Yahuri: 00:26:208 - add clap
02:12 Yahuri: 00:26:313 (4) - remove clap add whistle
02:12 Del05: fixed
02:13 Yahuri: add clap remove whistle 00:27:886 -
02:14 Del05: fixed
02:14 Yahuri: 00:28:411 - drum-hitclap would work good here i think
02:14 Del05: `fixed
02:15 Yahuri: add clap, not sure if theres bass there tho 00:28:516 -
02:15 Del05: soft clap ??
02:15 Del05: because i use dram clap at there
02:16 Yahuri: uhh
02:16 Yahuri: it says auto whistle
02:17 Del05: huh ??
02:17 Del05: why it can be different xD
02:17 Del05: nevermind
02:17 Del05: change to soft clap
02:17 Yahuri: 00:28:935 - thats the singer singing right?
02:18 Yahuri: if its not then add finish
02:18 Del05: um.. i can hear bass sound
02:18 Del05: a little
02:18 Yahuri: yeah, keep the whistle there
02:19 Del05: okay
02:19 Yahuri: 00:29:565 - add clap
02:20 Del05: fixed
02:20 Yahuri: 00:29:670 - add whistle remove clap
02:21 Yahuri: 00:31:243 - add clap
02:22 Del05: fixed
02:22 Yahuri: remove clap add whistle 00:31:348 (4) - it also sounds like theres a default normal-hitwhistle there too XD
02:23 Del05: i only use normal hitwhistle at the beggining
02:23 Yahuri: i said a default version
02:23 Yahuri:

02:23 Del05: `oh lol
02:23 Del05: xD
02:23 Del05: not read it
02:23 Del05: better use soft whistle
02:23 Yahuri: 00:31:768 (6) - you can change both ends of this slider to drum-clap
02:24 Del05: fixed
02:24 Yahuri: 00:32:082 - remove clap add whistle
02:25 Yahuri: 00:32:921 - add clap (and whistle?)
02:26 Del05: better only clap i think
02:26 Yahuri: 00:34:390 (3) - add clap
02:26 Del05: lets skip the slow and soft part
02:26 Del05: now is kiai time lol
02:28 Yahuri: 00:51:383 - add clap remove whistle
02:29 Yahuri: 00:52:851 - remove clap add whistle
02:29 Yahuri: 00:53:061 - add clap (remove whistle?)
02:30 Yahuri: 00:54:530 - add whistle remove clap
02:30 Yahuri: 00:54:740 - add clap remove whistle
02:31 Yahuri: 00:56:208 - remove clap add whistle
02:32 Yahuri: 00:56:628 - remove clap add whistle
02:32 Yahuri: 00:56:837 - add clap
02:32 Yahuri: 00:57:152 - remove finish
02:33 Yahuri: 00:58:096 - add clap
02:34 Yahuri: 00:59:565 - remove clap add whistle
02:34 Yahuri: 00:59:774 - add clap
02:34 Yahuri: 01:00:299 - remove whistle
02:35 Yahuri: 01:00:509 - remove finish
02:35 Yahuri: 01:01:558 - remove whistle
02:36 Yahuri: 01:01:663 - remove clap
02:37 Yahuri: 01:02:816 - remove whistle add clap
02:37 Yahuri: 01:03:026 - remove clap add whistle
02:38 Del05: wuah xD just went to toilet
02:38 Del05: and so many alreayd xD
02:38 Yahuri: gg
02:40 Yahuri: also if i said to remove the midpoint finish 00:57:152 - you can probs leave it in cuz it fits Dx
02:41 Yahuri: 01:04:809 - add clap
02:41 Yahuri: 01:06:488 - remove whistle add clap
02:42 Yahuri: 01:08:166 - add clap
02:42 Del05: fixed
02:43 Yahuri: 01:09:530 - remove whistle
02:44 Del05: fix
02:44 Yahuri: 01:10:264 - add whistle
02:44 Yahuri: 01:11:523 - add clap
02:45 Del05: fix
02:46 Yahuri: 01:15:823 - remove clap add whistle
02:47 Yahuri: ^or add some drum thing
02:47 Yahuri: 01:15:719 - could do drum thing here too
02:48 Yahuri: 01:17:397 - remove clap
02:49 Del05: fixed
02:49 Yahuri: 01:18:236 - add clap
02:49 Yahuri: add whistle
02:49 Yahuri: 01:18:760 (7) -
02:50 Del05: fix
02:50 Yahuri: 01:19:075 - remove clap
02:50 Yahuri: 01:19:914 - add clap remove whistle
02:50 Del05: fix
02:51 Yahuri: 01:20:754 - remove clap
02:52 Yahuri: 01:23:166 (1) - add whistle?
02:52 Yahuri: wew done
02:53 Del05: wew
02:53 Del05: done
02:53 Del05: send this forum for pp
02:53 Yahuri: for pp
02:53 Del05: and QAT know i have change my HS
02:53 Yahuri: OF COURSE!!
02:53 Del05: lol xD
02:53 Del05: lmao
02:53 Del05: for kudos

lemme relisten on 100% playback rate after you update though lol (cuz i sure didnt do that while modding)

Yuii-

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Yuii- 2016-09-13T14:12:24+00:00

Okay, so... reply to the thingy in my previous mod before moving on!

Lecana

Did I already tell you about how cool your mapping is to my eyes?

00:14:565 (5,6) - Heavy inconsistent rhythm here. Compared to everything else, you are just ignoring the music completely and placing the important beats on random spots of the sliders. What if you just make three slider like on every other pattern in the intro? Such as 00:16:243 (5,6,7) - or 00:17:921 (5,6,7) - or 00:19:600 (5,6,7) - . That's what I meant by inconsistent

Karia

00:04:495 (6) - Maybe you could replace this slider. It doesn't make too much sense to have the same object than (5) even when the sounds are completely different. What about adding a repeat to 00:04:285 (5) - and leaving 00:04:600 - with nothing instead?
00:45:404 (8) - Should the NC be there instead?
00:50:019 (1) - Aaaand, remove it there.
01:17:292 (1,2) - I'm very unsure of your rhythm choice here. There's really nothing landing on 01:17:397 - to place a clickable object. Instead, you can try using three sliders for this section right here. So, you turn 01:17:292 (1) - into a 1/4 slider, and reduce (2) to another 1/4 slider. You also want to remove the hitsound on 01:17:397 - !

Meg

Please, get rid of a lot of unnecessary Finish hitsounds. There's so many of them that could be either replaced or completely removed. Besides check 00:55:474 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2) - , check the ones I am listing below.

00:18:131 (3) - NC here!
00:41:628 (1,2,1) - Why the spacing of the unemphasized 1/2 pattern is higher than (2,1) which is even emphasized by your finish hitsound? Doesn't make too much sense to me, and it actually makes 00:41:628 (1,2) - look like a 1/1 pattern.
00:43:726 (1,2) - Spacing here looks a bit too much compared to everything else in the section.
01:05:124 (1,2,3) - You could actually space these out, it's mostly a suggestion, but goes better with the vocals. By space them out I didn't specifically mean all of them, but (2,3). So, you stack (1,2) since there's barely an audible beat on (2) and then you emphasize vocals on (3). What do you think about http://puu.sh/r9NXM/bf01b25620.jpg ?
01:09:215 (2,3,4,5) - Hitsounding: Remove Finish on (2), keep Whistle. Remove Finish on (3)'s tail, it's unnecessary to have a hitsound landing there. This one is personal: Replace (4)'s Clap for a Whistle.
01:10:369 (3) - You could also replace that Finish for something else, to be honest.
01:15:404 (4,5) - Symmetry here may not work actually. (5) is represented with a complete different sound than (4). Symmetry better fits when a sound is rather repetitive. You could ACTUALLY replace (5) with 2 different circles, it'd be way better.
01:23:900 (4) - Completely personal opinion, but moving it further and NC'ing can work, and it'd fit the song!

[]

@Del05: Don't forget to tell mappers to reply to my previous mod. And also fix the unsnapped thingy on Advanced!

call me back !!

lolia

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lolia 2016-09-14T02:55:05+00:00

Karia wrote:
Yuii- wrote:
@Karia: 01:10:369 (5,1,2) - Plays quite poorly, this transition feels weird. It does not look bad in the editor, though. Would you mind stacking (1,2) please?As kib said, I wanted to keep prev speed. Plus, I'd played my diff many times but never felt it's weird.

Yuii- wrote:
Karia

00:04:495 (6) - Maybe you could replace this slider. It doesn't make too much sense to have the same object than (5) even when the sounds are completely different. What about adding a repeat to 00:04:285 (5) - and leaving 00:04:600 - with nothing instead? Hmm? I followed 1/4 beats in the music. They are all same sounds;
00:45:404 (8) - Should the NC be there instead? Same combo-color is better in this stream
00:50:019 (1) - Aaaand, remove it there. 00:49:180 (1,1,1) - These three NCs are for vocal and SV. So I want to keep this NC..
01:17:292 (1,2) - I'm very unsure of your rhythm choice here. There's really nothing landing on 01:17:397 - to place a clickable object. Instead, you can try using three sliders for this section right here. So, you turn 01:17:292 (1) - into a 1/4 slider, and reduce (2) to another 1/4 slider. You also want to remove the hitsound on 01:17:397 - ! I can't understand why you couldn't catch this rhythm. The rhythm is same as 00:08:481 (1,2) - , 00:11:837 (1,2) - , 00:18:551 (1,2) - and 01:20:649 (1,2) - which have same sounds. Also, the clicking-timing is same (00:08:481 (1,2) - , 00:10:159 (1,2) - , 00:11:837 (1,2) - , etc.)

Thanks for modding!

Yuii-

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Joined July 2013

Yuii- 2016-09-14T03:09:57+00:00

Karia wrote:
Yuii- wrote:
Karia

00:04:495 (6) - Maybe you could replace this slider. It doesn't make too much sense to have the same object than (5) even when the sounds are completely different. What about adding a repeat to 00:04:285 (5) - and leaving 00:04:600 - with nothing instead? Hmm? I followed 1/4 beats in the music. They are all same sounds; - Pardon? (6) has a complete different sound. (5) is supported with the holdable guitar sound in the background music (bgm) and (6) has nothing holdable on it. They are just two different variations, there's nothing similar to them, hence why it should be changed.
00:45:404 (8) - Should the NC be there instead? Same combo-color is better in this stream - What is that supposed to mean? There's no stream at all.
00:50:019 (1) - Aaaand, remove it there. 00:49:180 (1,1,1) - These three NCs are for vocal and SV. So I want to keep this NC.. - I completely agree with the NC being placed 00:49:600 (1) - as it can represent a different sound/rhythm in the bgm. By NC'ing 00:49:600 (1) - you are also making all these repeats more intuitive. Although, even if you NC 00:50:019 (1) - it'd make no sense at all, in fact it'd just make it worse. Why so? NC'ing over an identical object will most likely tell the player this is a complete different object. Which is not true, it has the same rhythmical meaning (especially when 00:49:600 (1,1) - are in the SAME phrase musical meaning) and they last the same amount of time.
01:17:292 (1,2) - I'm very unsure of your rhythm choice here. There's really nothing landing on 01:17:397 - to place a clickable object. Instead, you can try using three sliders for this section right here. So, you turn 01:17:292 (1) - into a 1/4 slider, and reduce (2) to another 1/4 slider. You also want to remove the hitsound on 01:17:397 - ! I can't understand why you couldn't catch this rhythm. The rhythm is same as 00:08:481 (1,2) - , 00:11:837 (1,2) - , 00:18:551 (1,2) - and 01:20:649 (1,2) - which have same sounds. Also, the clicking-timing is same (00:08:481 (1,2) - , 00:10:159 (1,2) - , 00:11:837 (1,2) - , etc.) - That's not true. If you wanna use consistency here, I'm fine with it but don't say the rhythm is the same because it's inaccurate. 01:17:397 - and 01:17:502 - shouldn't be mapped/represented on the same object.
Thanks for modding!

Meg

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Joined August 2012

Meg 2016-09-14T03:51:13+00:00

First, I think finishes can be one of expression of mapping. So overuse finish is not bad imo.
In fact, I've seen many maps that overuse finishes. they have good expression.
Also, I don't think these finishes doesn't match in this music, I don't want to change.

Yuii- wrote:
@Meg: Most of your finishes throughout the Kiai seem randomly placed. Especially the ones on 01:08:900 - they do not even go along with the music itself. You could definitely improve that. no changed Also, 01:02:397 (2,3) - is a pain to play, that spacing and the flow to the left is so hard to catch up Could you consider something like this or even changing the whole pattern? your idea is not good flow imo. and I think my pattern is not bad. no changed(Personal opinion).

Yuii- wrote:
Meg

Please, get rid of a lot of unnecessary Finish hitsounds. There's so many of them that could be either replaced or completely removed. Besides check 00:55:474 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2) - , check the ones I am listing below. ^

00:18:131 (3) - NC here! ok
00:41:628 (1,2,1) - Why the spacing of the unemphasized 1/2 pattern is higher than (2,1) which is even emphasized by your finish hitsound? Doesn't make too much sense to me, and it actually makes 00:41:628 (1,2) - look like a 1/1 pattern. ok
00:43:726 (1,2) - Spacing here looks a bit too much compared to everything else in the section. so minor thing. no changed
01:05:124 (1,2,3) - You could actually space these out, it's mostly a suggestion, but goes better with the vocals. By space them out I didn't specifically mean all of them, but (2,3). So, you stack (1,2) since there's barely an audible beat on (2) and then you emphasize vocals on (3). What do you think about http://puu.sh/r9NXM/bf01b25620.jpg ? ok
01:09:215 (2,3,4,5) - Hitsounding: Remove Finish on (2), keep Whistle. Remove Finish on (3)'s tail, it's unnecessary to have a hitsound landing there. This one is personal: Replace (4)'s Clap for a Whistle. fixed a bit
01:10:369 (3) - You could also replace that Finish for something else, to be honest. delete this finish
01:15:404 (4,5) - Symmetry here may not work actually. (5) is represented with a complete different sound than (4). Symmetry better fits when a sound is rather repetitive. You could ACTUALLY replace (5) with 2 different circles, it'd be way better. But using other shape will become bad appearance. no changed
01:23:900 (4) - Completely personal opinion, but moving it further and NC'ing can work, and it'd fit the song! I don't think so. no changed
call me back !!

Sorry for my selfish about finishes.
And thank you for modding.
http://puu.sh/raC22.zip

lolia

1,356 posts

Joined May 2012

lolia 2016-09-14T04:01:39+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
Karia

00:04:495 (6) - Maybe you could replace this slider. It doesn't make too much sense to have the same object than (5) even when the sounds are completely different. What about adding a repeat to 00:04:285 (5) - and leaving 00:04:600 - with nothing instead? Hmm? I followed 1/4 beats in the music. They are all same sounds; - Pardon? (6) has a complete different sound. (5) is supported with the holdable guitar sound in the background music (bgm) and (6) has nothing holdable on it. They are just two different variations, there's nothing similar to them, hence why it should be changed. Then must I put hitcircles on all 1/4 ticks if I want to follow 1/4s..? 00:04:285 (5,6) - These two sliders are just outputs that I simplified the rhythms. If only (5) was a slider, that would mean I followed guitar sounds perfectly. But in this case, (6) is also the slider. It means I didn't follow guitar sounds..
00:45:404 (8) - Should the NC be there instead? Same combo-color is better in this stream - What is that supposed to mean? There's no stream at all. I meant I don't want to give a different combo-color in 00:48:341 (5,6,7,8) - this streams. Also I didn't feel any special beat which I should emphasize at 00:48:656 (8) - here.
00:50:019 (1) - Aaaand, remove it there. 00:49:180 (1,1,1) - These three NCs are for vocal and SV. So I want to keep this NC.. - I completely agree with the NC being placed 00:49:600 (1) - as it can represent a different sound/rhythm in the bgm. By NC'ing 00:49:600 (1) - you are also making all these repeats more intuitive. Although, even if you NC 00:50:019 (1) - it'd make no sense at all, in fact it'd just make it worse. Why so? NC'ing over an identical object will most likely tell the player this is a complete different object. Which is not true, it has the same rhythmical meaning (especially when 00:49:600 (1,1) - are in the SAME phrase musical meaning) and they last the same amount of time. I didn't NC on 00:49:600 (1) - here for difference of rhythm. The three NCs are emphasizing vocal which are emphasize-able beats I felt... The vocals are really strong although song is really silent. So I wanted to emphasize the vocals each other by NCing.
01:17:292 (1,2) - I'm very unsure of your rhythm choice here. There's really nothing landing on 01:17:397 - to place a clickable object. Instead, you can try using three sliders for this section right here. So, you turn 01:17:292 (1) - into a 1/4 slider, and reduce (2) to another 1/4 slider. You also want to remove the hitsound on 01:17:397 - ! I can't understand why you couldn't catch this rhythm. The rhythm is same as 00:08:481 (1,2) - , 00:11:837 (1,2) - , 00:18:551 (1,2) - and 01:20:649 (1,2) - which have same sounds. Also, the clicking-timing is same (00:08:481 (1,2) - , 00:10:159 (1,2) - , 00:11:837 (1,2) - , etc.) - That's not true. If you wanna use consistency here, I'm fine with it but don't say the rhythm is the same because it's inaccurate. 01:17:397 - and 01:17:502 - shouldn't be mapped/represented on the same object. I said this is for 'consistency of rhythm'. Tell me why 01:17:292 (1,2) - this rhythm is not acceptable and 00:08:481 (1,2) - 00:11:837 (1,2) - 00:18:551 (1,2) - 01:20:649 (1,2) - these rhythms are acceptable although they have same sounds perfectly...
Thanks for modding!

Lecana

253 posts

Joined March 2012

Lecana 2016-09-21T00:01:35+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
Okay, so... reply to the thingy in my previous mod before moving on!

Lecana

Did I already tell you about how cool your mapping is to my eyes?

00:14:565 (5,6) - Heavy inconsistent rhythm here. Compared to everything else, you are just ignoring the music completely and placing the important beats on random spots of the sliders. What if you just make three slider like on every other pattern in the intro? Such as 00:16:243 (5,6,7) - or 00:17:921 (5,6,7) - or 00:19:600 (5,6,7) - . That's what I meant by inconsistent
agree and,Rizia mod too.sorry and thanks

sorry late.
thanks ٩(｡•ㅂ•｡)و

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Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-06T07:34:30+00:00

So as Yuii- said he'll not care about this mapset anymore, I can recheck this now I guess.
But I'll say my thoughts on Yuii-'s mod for Karia's diff first.

Yuii- wrote:
Okay, so... reply to the thingy in my previous mod before moving on!
Karia

00:04:495 (6) - Maybe you could replace this slider. It doesn't make too much sense to have the same object than (5) even when the sounds are completely different. What about adding a repeat to 00:04:285 (5) - and leaving 00:04:600 - with nothing instead? I agree with this at some degree, but the music itself isn't totally stopped or something, and he can map the background sounds too, with simplified rhythm.
00:45:404 (8) - Should the NC be there instead? The new vocal starts at 00:45:823 (1) - . There's technically a downbeat on 00:45:404 - , but that doesn't mean it always should be prioritized than everything else. Also it looks bad when only-one-stacked 1/4 note is NC'd, and that's what Karia meant.
00:50:019 (1) - Aaaand, remove it there. It's for emphasis. Those 1/8 sliders are not 'usual' notes and can be represented with something special. It doesn't make any people confused either imo. They're just simple drrrrrr sliders.
01:17:292 (1,2) - I'm very unsure of your rhythm choice here. There's really nothing landing on 01:17:397 - to place a clickable object. Instead, you can try using three sliders for this section right here. So, you turn 01:17:292 (1) - into a 1/4 slider, and reduce (2) to another 1/4 slider. You also want to remove the hitsound on 01:17:397 - ! Have you listened to the melody sounds? It perfectly fits, I guess you just focused only on the drums but it's not what it's following.

@Del05: Don't forget to tell mappers to reply to my previous mod. And also fix the unsnapped thingy on Advanced! I don't get what makes you think it's unsnapped. 01:04:285 - vocal 01:04:495 - vocal. What's wrong with this one?

call me back !! Sadly you won't come back, will you?

Meg

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Joined August 2012

Meg 2016-11-03T21:28:46+00:00

o.o

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-11-03T23:28:08+00:00

Where is Yuii-? I can't nominate this again without his agreement due to the BNG rules D:

Yuii-

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Joined July 2013

Yuii- 2016-11-04T23:35:24+00:00

Go for it if you want, I "disqualified" this a couple of months ago.

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-11-13T07:33:36+00:00

[Del05]
* 00:52:851 - 00:54:530 - are whistle but 01:06:278 - 01:07:956 - are clap?

[Karia]
* 유이가 지적했던 것중에 저도 동의하는 부분이 있는데 00:04:495 (6) - 이 슬라이더를 00:04:285 (5) - 와 완전히 똑같은 노트로 표현하기에는 소리의 강도 차이가 너무 커 보입니다. 음악적으로 비슷한 곳을 예시를 들자면 00:02:816 - 00:06:173 - 여기에 1/4 슬라이더를 하나 더 끼워넣는 격이거든요. 다른 곳들처럼 약간의 브레이크를 넣어줄 수 있는 곳이라고 보입니다.

[Meg]
* Some points Yuii- pointed out seem valid to me too. I'm fine with the finishes though. I think the same with him regarding 01:02:397 (2,3,4,5,6) - being very excessive compared to others, and 01:15:404 (4,5) - doesn't get really that along with the music. I won't suggest an alternative solution, so please consider this and try to fix it yourself, as this is your map and you should be the one who knows how to fix it nicely.

lolia

1,356 posts

Joined May 2012

lolia 2016-11-13T08:11:39+00:00

@Doyak : Chaged the shape, thanks for modding

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Meg

1,617 posts

Joined August 2012

Meg 2016-11-14T17:40:58+00:00

Do I have to fix it?
i don't agree your opinions. they are minor things to me :<

Doyak

osu! Alumni

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Joined November 2012

Doyak 2016-11-14T19:22:13+00:00

If that's really minor, then fixing it wouldn't hurt, right?

If you have your strong opinion why you need to keep it, then provide it to us. Yuii- told me that he let some players to play your map and they mostly failed to hit 01:02:397 (2,3) - properly, but the only reason you rejected is that "your idea is not good flow imo. and I think my pattern is not bad." without justifying the playability issue. About 01:15:404 (4,5) - you said "But using other shape will become bad appearance. no changed" but there are numerous ways to fix it and have you even tried it? It's not like remapping a whole part, it wouldn't take much time to fix it.

Meg

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Joined August 2012

Meg 2016-11-15T11:17:26+00:00

I changed a bit
Give me a specific idea to fix an issue from next time. That would help me a lot

http://puu.sh/siX0c.zip

Thanks KSHR for helping me fix issues

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-11-23T21:51:21+00:00

@Lecana: Okay I forgot to mention this. But not having any additional hitsounds until 00:07:642 - is not acceptable for me now. Try to add some hitsounds. You can check other diffs if you're not sure how to hitsound them. Also 00:32:607 (3,4) - this would be better to have a bigger spacing since you have used many slider-to-something 1/4 jumps with this amount of spacing.

I think it's good to go again when it is fixed. (haaaaaah... I think I've checked this mapset for like 15 hours already)

Lecana

253 posts

Joined March 2012

Lecana 2016-11-24T22:35:08+00:00

Doyak wrote:
@Lecana: Okay I forgot to mention this. But not having any additional hitsounds until 00:07:642 - is not acceptable for me now. Try to add some hitsounds. You can check other diffs if you're not sure how to hitsound them. Also 00:32:607 (3,4) - this would be better to have a bigger spacing since you have used many slider-to-something 1/4 jumps with this amount of spacing.

I think it's good to go again when it is fixed. (haaaaaah... I think I've checked this mapset for like 15 hours already)

00:01:768 (1) - ~ 00:07:432 (4) - add hitsound.
00:32:397 (2,3,4,5,6) - changed

thanks

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