Not gonna reply to empress since its all the same thing and I applied pretty much all of it anyways.Akali wrote:
ur faec doesn't xdTatsuyu wrote:
yeah its mazzerin except this map actually looks aesthetically pleasing xddd
m4m From Badly Fromatted Queue
General
Are the songs thematically (other than being based on Touhou) coherent? Do they at least come in the succession on album? They share the same effective tempo but this is still not convincing if it's just 2 songs mixed together in order to exceed 5 minute drain time. If I were you I would contact a QAT if it's ok to have a mix of two songs like this. (If you haven't already). I also don't like the long silence in the break between songs, 03:12:724 - 03:15:390 - consider cutting it if you don't mind making people redownload, it amplifies the impression of map being actually two maps of two songs. - Ill probably get around to redoing the cut when/if BN's get to this.
Swap around combo colours so cc(6) doesn't come directly after cc(5) they are similar, it's better to have contrasting colours - . I dont see an issue with the colours, Im not gonna swap them but I may just change them slightly so they dont look as similar.
Rest seems fine.
streams and jumps
Some are nitpicking or rather subjective, no need to reply because map is long and wouldn't be worth. I think I will do second song later/other day
00:11:064 (5) - I prefer NCs on stream jumps, it's what everyone does and people are used to it. I don't like the idea on starting the map from this anyway, especially considering that 00:12:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is mapped as a normal stream and represents basically the same thing. - Those two have differences in guitar, the jumps the guitar is changing in pitch and the long smooth streams they arent. Im pretty adamant about keeping them as jumps anyways, 180bpm stream jumps are pretty easy considering everything else. Did change the combos though, that looked like a mistake.
00:18:730 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - not sure how straight up transitions from 1/4 to 1/6 work on this bpm, should be readable but if people who can play this derp on these consider 1/4 sliders on these OR 1/6 repeats on starts of the next stream - Yeah I might have to start with repeats if more people bring this up.
00:28:175 (2,3,4,5) - missing a 1/6 note not sure if intentional - Intentional, you cant even hear it at full speed, and it would be cancer to play if I include it.
00:29:397 (1,2,3) - could be mapped with 1/3 sliders like 00:30:730 (1,2,3,4) - unless you want to keep it intentionally easier as first notes of new section? - Yeah, easy start to introduce players to the base rhythm.
00:30:453 (7) - pretty sure it's overmapped. if you want to put emphasis on drums remove the sliders and make small/medium jump pattern - Yeah you were right, I thought it was a triple but it isnt.
00:39:119 (5,6) - move to ~73-324 then 00:39:397 (1) - ctrl+G and 00:39:619 (2,3) - ctrl + G for more fitting flow (imo) - Okay.
00:39:619 (2,3) - plays awkward even on HT , it too close, distance like this maybe? http://puu.sh/qtRlQ.jpg - Disagree, dont think its that hard and I want those last two to be clickable.
00:44:397 (3,1) - swap NCs and NC in group of 3, it kinda fits the pattern but doesn't fit the music and accents - Gonna keep it as it is for now, that part is a mess musically so might be better to keep it as 2's.
00:47:953 (9) - move it further away to left for better approach angle into next stream, right not is vertical drop down into horizontal stream, 8:160 works - Dont see an issue with the flow here. Plus moving it that far away would give it massive emphasis that isnt reflected in the music.
00:50:730 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this whole thing stays mainly in bottom right side of the screen (noticeably) , consider moving some patterns so it goes around through the playfield more. - Okay, tried to move stuff around a bit.
00:51:230 (4) - overmapped or ghost note anyway, not that significant + stacks on slider ends are awkward, not worth, have a medium jump - Yup, thought it was a triple. Fixed. I actually spotted another one before this as well.
00:53:897 (4,5) - ^
00:54:842 (2,3) - missing sounds here but this pattern fits the music in general so it's ok - Yeah I do a lot of "Strategic Undermapping" cause this song is such a mess. So any other points like this that I dont reply to will be the same.
01:01:064 (1,2,3,4) - I read whole triangle np (on ht w) but this last sequence feels like it doesn't belong to it because guitar has it's last note on 01:01:064 (1) - , try "opening" the pattern and go for something else - Applied something in a previous mod. I was waiting to see if anyone else mentioned this combo.
01:06:175 (2,3,4) - would try everything being circles, might fit guitar better - Less intense than the previous combo so I wanna keep it a bit easier.
01:07:397 (5,6,7,1,2) - use same spacing? dropping larger distancefrom that triple into the arc movement and changing pace seems awkward - Aight, reworked a bit.
01:16:730 (1,2,3,4) - squares suck ass use the sharp jump patterns you used before, this doesn't stand out enough musically - Its the same sorta thing as all the other linear groups of 4 as before, so Im gonna keep for now.
01:18:175 (1,2,3) - have it bigger, spacing like jumps after, this looks awkward and confined especially directly after bursts - k buffed a bit.
01:21:953 (5) - rotate (-30) sliders in line with 5+ streams look lame for the most part unless it's a map theme - Okay.
01:35:397 (5) - same would make more parallel with (7) and reposition (6) - Yeah that was bothering me a bit anyways.
01:46:064 (1) - ctrl+g? - Aight.
01:50:397 (5) - move 125-123, again bigger jump into arcy movement with smaller spacing, this will have better momentum I think 01:50:508 (6,7) - move accordingly - Tried something here, its the last of this combo for the section so Ive given it extra emphasis with some snappy jumps.
01:50:730 (1,2,3) - yabadabadooo!
01:53:064 (4,5,6) - it fits but reconsider having more standard jump pattern, unless you really want this kind of movement 01:53:286 (6) - on 146:276 should be better, rearrange next pattern ofc - Gonna keep this, dont see an issue and its consistent with the previous part like this.
01:54:953 (5) - as mentioned before (-30 should work) - This one isnt as bad, the slider is a lot shorter. Gonna keep it.
01:58:397 (4,5,6) - would consider rotating 45 for better/sharper momentum change - Prefer it as is, this section is a little less intense so dont want it too edgy.
02:05:397 (5) - as mentioned before, slight tilt to the right - Yup agree with this one.
02:17:175 (7,8) - ctrl+G - Movement into the next combo will be ass if I do that.
02:39:391 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - if you changed anything like in intro apply same here
02:41:557 (2,1,2,3,4) - this stream path after the jump seems harsh http://puu.sh/qtSP8.jpg what about this, angle change is still sharp but distance smaller and less awkward imo - Dude nice, I like it.
02:47:391 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - as @~18sec
02:54:279 (2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - NC change suggestion like in 44:397
02:56:613 (3) - could be further away to the left, seems more fitting and better flow - Yeah this need a bit of an extra kick.
03:02:057 (1,2,3) - again straight line after bigger jump might feel awkward - This one always played good for me whenever I tested.
03:04:168 (2) - 2 circles instead vocals have strong syllables here - Ehh, I dont like the feel of doing that honestly.
03:05:502 (2,3,4,5,6) - -45 and stack on 03:05:057 (4) - ? - Aight.
03:05:835 (7,8) - too big for no reason - Nerfed a bit.
03:08:390 (1,2,1) - try to rearrange so approach angle into stream is more in natural flow, stream alone is hard enough - Okay, I wanna keep it sharp but it should be easier now.
03:08:390 (1,2,1) - swap NCs for the sake of pentagram visuals
03:10:057 (1) - make it 1/2 - Done.
03:10:724 (1) - rotate ccw a bit and change order/move the current pentagram's start to the end so everything is like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5797668 this, sharper flow into the jumps + better visuals. Also you can make the whole star slightly bigger, it's 180 1/2s so why not, it's nothing compared to the rest of the map - Done.
streams and jumps p2
03:31:013 (2) - NC to remove slowly creeping follow points
03:32:791 (2) - ^
04:01:513 (6,7,8) - more curve, ugly
04:01:902 (1,2,3,4,1) - there is not much impact in the music to warrant spacing increase and harder angle/flow here, can have 1/2 slider instead like you do later ( 04:03:680 (2) - )
04:04:569 (1,2,3,4,5) - move this lower and rotate slider ccw so it's closer and has better approach angle into 04:05:013 (1,2,3,4) -
04:07:236 (2) - slightly lower area of 213 113
04:28:347 (1,2) - sudden backward movement with abusing slider leniency into big jump to next stream, thinks of some better position maybe more like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5797766 moved next stream
04:30:347 (1,2,3,4) - like before, don't feel it in music
04:32:124 (2,1) - again sort of far away, not about distance between sliders themself, but rather proper opportunity for starting the deathstream
04:35:680 (2,1) - ^
04:39:236 (2) - ^ just a bit to the left and lower
04:40:124 (7) - lame return slider, looks like you got cornered and don't know what to do, use 2x 1/2 like before
04:40:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - again not sure, drums do more stuff here I guess
04:44:347 (5) - rotate like 30-45 clockwise
05:28:347 (1,2) - again kinda harsh momentum shift combined with the distance, consider rotating this 05:28:569 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - clockwise a bit so jump is smaller maybe
05:31:902 (1,2) - distance is big too here for example, but attack angle more natural ^
05:47:458 (3,4,5,6) - squares are overkillll 05:48:347 (3,4,5,6) - I figure vocals soooort of warrant those, but still notes aren't impactful/standing out enough for squares, try sharp stuff like before and after in the map
06:04:569 (1,2,3,4) - like previously, don't feel it here in the music, might be fine anyway considering how spread the next stream is and 06:04:791 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - impact warrants the momentum change, but could be smoother anyway
06:05:569 (15,16,1,2,3) - this being in the corner seems suuuper hard even if you can stream that bpm makes it a lot harder to follow, would try to keep things smooth on that spacing
06:12:124 - guitar is a bit inconsistent and some of these seem overmapped, not sure about these notes: 06:12:180 (3,5,2) - 06:12:847 (2,4,2,4) - maybe use 1/4 sliders in this guitar lick isntead?
06:26:124 (1,2,3,4) - is fine in guitar solo I guess... still could do something more fun, not gonna mention them
06:59:680 (1,2,3,4,1) - turn should be where vocals start again, more impact?
07:01:458 (10) - ctrl+G
07:09:680 (1,2) - like mentioned before 07:09:680 (1) - could use ccw rotation
07:13:236 (1,2) -
07:14:124 (1,2,3,4) - that spacing seems sudden and free 100s on slider ends
07:14:791 (4,1) - this especially
07:16:569 (4,1) -
07:22:791 (2,1) -
07:24:569 (1,2,3,4,1) - like before
These 1/2 slider into stream things might not be important, I can barely play on HT, maybe it's not that bad. But I don't see need for this spacing and slider leniency abuse there. No one will fc this anyway, but it's super hard as it is and there is no harm in making things flow better at least in theory. Sorry if I'm inconsistent or missed something I mentioned in other part, song is long and tiring, I hope some of this improves the map, gl. Added new maps to the m4m pool so check the queue if you want to pick something.
In regards to song relation. Final Boss + Extra boss themes from the same game, the tracks also follow each other on the album.
Cheers for the mod fam, Ill get around to modding your stuff when I have time off work.
Cheers for the cheeky mod m8.HighTec wrote:
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mostly my opinion but hoping to mayb make something clear
i guess you can apply some of the suggestions i give to more sections as all seem to be kinda similar in a way (love the consistency -w-)
[rsi simulator (fetish edition)]
change hp to 4 pls its already so killing ;w; - HP lower than 5 is for pussies.
00:10:731 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - i'd prefer not to start off with stream jumps like these, it is more fun to do it later than to start off with. this'll trigger the players who can play this map for sure - Gonna take these to the grave with me.
00:16:230 (2) - this note can be a little hard to read because it kinda overlaps with the stream, i'd prefer not to have it overlapped at all (ya i know about the ar but still) - I see if anyone has issues reading that before I change it.
00:20:286 (2,3) - shouldnt this just be one entire returning slider? having the kickslider inbetween looks like a meanie move too - Theres a slight click on that short slider to warrant this.
00:26:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - try to relook these jumps maybe, i dont like the flow change a lot that's happening at 00:26:397 (3,4) - - Aight, Ill see what others have to say about this.
00:27:397 (7) - maybe NC because the note has big timing gaps around it? - Yeah, gets rid of aids follow points as well.
00:44:509 (1,1,1) - i dont see a particular reason for the NCs, there is no big timing change or spacing change or anything !! also if u wanna keep it consistent NC 00:44:286 (2) - and yes 00:44:064 (1) - can be alone with their own NC perfectly fine =w= - The drums and guitar dont match up here and its a totl fucking mess, also explained a bit in akalis mod.
00:52:730 (1,2,3) - would be fun to see a little higher SV (mayb like 1,5 orz) to put more emphasis on the section - Ehh, I think its fine as is.
01:01:397 (4) - maybe to have more emphasis on the ending of the section, add a NC here - Maybe but it might be inconsistent since I dont end any other parts like this on a NC
01:15:730 (3,4,5) - expected a way bigger spacing here due to the stronger hitsounds and the triangle now kinda breaks the flow here - Very good point. Buffed.
01:18:508 (4,4) - can this overlap be avoided? ;w; - Cant see it in gameplay so Ill let it slide.
01:35:397 (5) - would move this along with the rest of the stream to make it a bit more consistent, also NC because rythm change - Fixed in akalis mod. I did forget the NC though.
01:42:619 (9) - stronger beat, more spacing pls! - The sharper movement here is emphasis enough.
02:20:064 (1) - idk if u can but i'd point this slider a bit more towards 02:20:397 (2) - so the connection is a bit more clearr - Tried something.
02:47:391 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - can this plspls be higher spacing? it makes the spacing after incredibly hard to read - Consistent with intro. Havent had any testplayers complain about reading the change with these.
03:33:236 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - maybe it'd be more fun if this was aligned with the linear jumps before this, would look a bit more logical to me - Muh pattern.
03:47:236 (2,3,4,5) - I'd personally change this to a slider like 03:47:013 (1) - so catch more of the main tune instead of the drum. would make the section more consistent and most likely better to play - Only need the one slider for that quick lift in the orchestra. Also the whole map is built on this so theres no way I can change it anyways.
03:58:569 - why not start a kiai time here and end it on 04:12:347 - to just have that sweet kiai on the singing here - Not hype enough tbh
04:12:347 (9) - NC to emphasise the start of the new voice? - That would look really weird.
04:14:124 (1) - no real reason to NC this imo, it doesnt help readability orz - Its the same way Ive NC'd all those sections.
04:27:013 - start here kiai too and end it on 04:40:791 - ??
04:40:791 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - maybe remove this little part because u didnt map this the other time, would make it more consistentt - There are drums here, the time before there wasnt.
05:22:958 (16,1,2) - not a big fan of the sudden snappy curve here, maybe change it around a bit? - I will never ever EVER change this stream.
06:27:902 (1,2,3,4) - i dont rly like how this looks, maybe make 06:28:124 (3,4) - identical to 06:27:902 (1,2) - ? - I think its good for now.
again things repeat themselves so u can do it on urself \o/
not too sure about some jump patterns but they played fine enough so didnt rly complain
rank this or ill eat ur dog - Ill try.
Yeah this will probably have to change, gonna save for BN's because this part is a huge mess and Ill need some help figuring it out. Although I might be able to get away with "Overmapping" it to make it less complex and easier.Rohulk wrote:
02:06:730 (1) - This is the only stream that I'm against in this whole map. The song itself doesn't justify a 1/6 stream there as the drums are at most 1/3 speed and the guitar solo is messy, it only has 13 notes from the start of the stream to the end of it, while the stream itself has 19. I suggest having a combination of 1/4 and 1/3 mapping there instead.
Everything else is good and i like it
Cheers for the input.
Also had a quick IRC talk with Bubbleman and did a few changes.
SPOILER
20:08 Bubbleman: 00:53:397 (1,2,3) - seems like a really weird change in flow
20:09 EphemeralFetish: Agree fam
20:10 Bubbleman: there are more than a couple others in that section
20:11 Bubbleman: that feel the same
20:11 Bubbleman: 00:50:730 (1,2,3) -
20:11 Bubbleman: 00:58:064 (1,2,3) -
20:11 Bubbleman: the obvious ones
20:14 EphemeralFetish: Aight
20:15 Bubbleman: 02:03:397 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -
20:15 Bubbleman: really awkward to play, may work better if second pattern's 3 is flipped
20:17 Bubbleman: some nice shit going on here tho
20:18 EphemeralFetish: Good shit
