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TitleUnicode:東方緋想天
Artist:Akiyama Uni
ArtistUnicode:あきやまうに
Creator:sahuang
Version:Lily Bread's Hyper
Source:東方Project
Tags:Exile- Narcissu Lily Bread Frey LunaSaika 09kami FreeSongs th10.5 fxt tasofro twilight frontier 黄昏フロンティア u2 zun scarlet weather rhapsody jun
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sahuang

Lasse wrote:

[lunatic]
00:10:703 (5,6,1) - why is this stacked? jump/sapcing would work bette with your usual spacing and emphasis on 1 changed
00:45:828 (6) - why does this get the most spacing when 00:45:703 (5,1) - are both so much more important? how about something similar to http://i.imgur.com/wDqcvPb.jpg ? k
00:47:828 (6) - could make this a kickslider since 1/8 is really audible hmm maybe
second kiai is basically copy pasted to same things there
01:04:890 - this is so audible, could really be mapped. won't even make the map harder since it's between two sliders ok

gl
thx
FreeSongs

Flower wrote:

[FreeSong's]
like always i'm not good at modding big circle large spacing maps, so here're just some suggestions.
00:00:935 (1) - use Ctrl+H to check its symmetricity. use more nodes if neccessary. what does this slider look like, after all? Adjusted it a little bit. Now it should be close to perfect symmetry. wings? tbh idk lol. The only reason i have it here is because it sort of matches the impression i got from the song
00:15:453 (1) - should be at 00:15:578 - ? I think 00:15:453 - has a stronger beat, and it is also consistent with how i did before (00:11:328 (3,1,1) - )
00:16:953 (1,2,3,4) - user higher SV? nice!
00:35:953 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - imo the anti-flow is hard to play, and my suggestion is: I tried your suggestion and played around with it. I think the reason of creating such an anti-flowing pattern here is that I set the kiai up with a very strong anti-flowing pattern -- 00:33:953 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - . It just feels a bit unnatural to suddenly switch back to something that flows very intuitive.
00:36:203 (2,1) - ctrl+g
00:36:453 (2,3,4,1) - ctrl+g
00:36:828 (2) - put somewhere around 176:248

Monstrata wrote:

Freesong's Rhapsody

00:15:453 (1) - Why a pause here? You can do a slider instead for the held note. The pause really breaks flow because you force the player to move from here to the next object twice as slow as usual. Changed this to a slider
00:15:953 (1,1,2,1) - This is a lot better because the 1/1 gap doesn't influence spacing (its stacked vs same visual distance but twice the time)
00:33:078 (2,1) - This should really be a 1/2 slider xP 1 isn't in audible so i dont think you should just put a circle there like all the other drums. Yours feels good too, as it follows the drums well which also keeps the consistency. However, I think my original intention was to make this different from what I did earlier in this map in order to indicate/emphasize the strong feeling in kiai. With that in mind, I followed the violin (00:32:953 (1,1,1,1) - ) while using the continuous vertical jumps (rather than just leave 00:33:203 (1) - a pause). And I believe that this would express the music better overall because it can give a better set off for the kiai.

I liked the symmetry you used near the end. Wish you used it more often xD. Trying to use as much variety of patterns as what I could think of xD

Lasse wrote:

[freesongs]
00:23:953 (1) - i can see the intention for your stack on 00:23:703 (5) - but the spacing just seems too low here compared to surrounding patterns if you consider how strong this is, I'd personally ctrl-g 00:23:953 (1) - so 00:22:953 (1,3,1) - make a nice pattern Slightly increased the spacing between 00:23:828 (6,1) -
00:24:203 (2,3) - adding to ^ so weird with how much stronger the ends are ; / http://i.imgur.com/OfzDFqO.jpg makes way more sense. it's basically same as 00:26:953 (1,2,3,4,5) - To me it is not actually that strong if you sort of follow the violin. I am trying to get it flows around more freely like what the melody offers instead of strictly following the drums
00:25:453 (3,4) - how about ctrlg, so you get a flow break on 00:25:453 (3) - to emphasize new instrument? Good idea. But after trying with ctrl+g, I found out that its a bit unnatural. I think it was probably because of this 00:25:453 (3,4,5) - doesn't flow to the 00:25:953 (1) - well. After all, I still feel that the current way feels more natural to play.
00:33:203 (1,2,1,2) - why nc spam? musical pattern is still similar to before, just more intense and I don't think it's needed for reading I do think there is a need. I have tried removing the NCs. It turned out to be a bit more challenging for me to catch the flow. It also looked not really clean after all.
00:33:953 - for this whole part I think you could tone down nc usage a bit, there are so many single object combos and drain just gets weird I use NCs to emphasize the strong beats/make the patterns easier to read. If the NCs were not there, the readability might really become an issue.
00:44:703 (1,2,1,2) - http://i.imgur.com/IR5za2a.jpg movement gets so awkward to play here, but I can'T really give a good alternative without changing some other patterns ; / Yeah, it is a little bit hard to follow, but its feels fine for me to play.
00:47:703 (1,2,3,4,1) - can you not space 1/8 streams just as 1/6 ones a bit earlier? so easy to mistake for 1/6 They are not spaced the same. In fact, I usel 0.5x DS for these streams, meaning that 1/8s should have smaller spacing than 1/6s
01:10:203 (3) - why is this cymbal thing suddenly stacked? doesnt match your other patterning and won't really work for emphasis. how about something like http://i.imgur.com/3HlX0wQ.jpg ? I stacked like that because I want to emphasize 01:10:328 - by creating a huge distance difference between 01:10:203 (3,4) - and 01:10:078 (2,3) - . I also used similar patterns in other places (like 01:19:078 (2,3,2,3) -, 00:12:328 (2,3) - , ... etc.)

Thanks for the mods everyone!

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100,368,66828,1,0,0:0:0:0:
114,256,66953,6,0,P|31:281|-8:360,1,179.999995231629,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
200,324,67328,2,0,P|220:238|171:165,1,179.999995231629,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
92,80,67703,2,0,L|-16:88,1,89.9999976158143,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,28,67953,6,0,L|396:16,1,179.999995231629,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,172,68328,2,0,L|499:-10,1,179.999995231629,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
248,120,68703,2,0,L|312:224,1,89.9999976158143,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
492,268,68953,6,0,P|456:171|344:159,1,179.999995231629,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
230,284,69328,2,0,P|332:301|398:210,1,179.999995231629,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
348,47,69703,1,10,0:0:0:0:
295,196,69828,1,0,0:0:0:0:
200,120,69953,5,12,0:0:0:0:
389,147,70078,1,0,0:0:0:0:
389,147,70203,1,6,0:0:0:0:
112,204,70328,2,0,P|68:200|0:208,1,89.9999976158143,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
230,284,70578,1,8,0:0:0:0:
200,120,70703,2,0,P|196:76|204:8,1,89.9999976158143,14|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
212,20,70953,6,0,P|212:132|240:212,1,179.549993051777,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
230,284,71453,2,0,P|288:272|354:280,1,89.9999976158143,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
428,292,71953,5,8,0:0:0:0:
436,76,72203,5,0,0:0:0:0:
400,208,72328,1,8,0:0:0:0:
292,28,72578,5,0,0:0:0:0:
312,176,72703,1,8,0:0:0:0:
312,176,72828,1,0,0:0:0:0:
232,316,72953,5,8,0:0:0:0:
224,208,73078,1,0,0:0:0:0:
216,100,73203,1,0,0:0:0:0:
148,288,73328,5,8,0:0:0:0:
88,108,73578,5,0,0:0:0:0:
64,264,73703,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,264,73828,1,0,0:0:0:0:
316,284,73953,5,8,0:0:0:0:
232,288,74078,1,0,0:0:0:0:
148,288,74203,1,0,0:0:0:0:
400,332,74328,5,8,0:0:0:0:
232,316,74578,5,0,0:0:0:0:
404,236,74703,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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400,332,74953,5,8,0:0:0:0:
312,176,75078,1,0,0:0:0:0:
496,344,75203,1,0,0:0:0:0:
512,120,75328,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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56,32,75703,2,0,L|154:22,1,99.0000003986359,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,12,75953,5,8,0:0:0:0:
312,128,76203,5,0,0:0:0:0:
312,128,76328,1,8,0:0:0:0:
240,232,76578,5,0,0:0:0:0:
240,232,76703,1,8,0:0:0:0:
112,240,76828,1,0,0:0:0:0:
112,240,76953,1,8,0:0:0:0:
312,128,77203,5,0,0:0:0:0:
312,128,77328,1,8,0:0:0:0:
316,340,77578,5,0,0:0:0:0:
316,340,77703,1,8,0:0:0:0:
240,232,77828,1,0,0:0:0:0:
240,232,77890,1,0,0:0:0:0:
240,232,77953,1,8,0:0:0:0:
360,56,78203,5,8,0:0:0:0:
456,232,78328,1,8,0:0:0:0:
456,232,78578,5,0,0:0:0:0:
240,232,78703,1,8,0:0:0:0:
360,56,78828,1,0,0:0:0:0:
364,288,78953,5,8,0:0:0:0:
320,144,79078,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,144,79203,1,8,0:0:0:0:
128,312,79328,5,8,0:0:0:0:
228,72,79453,1,0,0:0:0:0:
228,72,79578,1,8,0:0:0:0:
256,336,79703,5,8,0:0:0:0:
256,192,80453,12,0,83453,0:0:0:0:
HabiHolic
[Easy]

01:04:453 - Note here.
01:11:953 (1) - Hmm.. I think not sure this spiner better for note san slider.

[Normal]

01:12:078 (1) - same Easy diff here
00:38:953 (3) - like this?

01:04:953 (3,4) - Rhythm sugguest.

[Frey's Insane]

01:19:703 (3) - i think so far distance... >_>

nice map and flow!

[FreeSongs' Rhapsody]

00:11:453 (1,1,1) - Delete NC? i don't understand add NC..
01:11:453 (2) - NC

[Lily Bread's Hyper]

00:21:578 (3) - sugguest!

00:37:703 (6) - distance far.. fixed plz..

00:46:953 (1) - Blanket?
01:20:453 (1) - Stack is bad patten imo... batter for far distance..

[Lunatic]

01:10:953 (1,1) - slider speed is first slowing next last fast better for flow imo..


Good Luck!
Topic Starter
sahuang

HabiHolic wrote:

[Easy]

01:04:453 - Note here. i'd like a pause after reverse so yeah
01:11:953 (1) - Hmm.. I think not sure this spiner better for note san slider. that's what i wanna do with easy lul

[Normal]

01:12:078 (1) - same Easy diff here no
00:38:953 (3) - like this? ok

01:04:953 (3,4) - Rhythm sugguest.

fix for freesongs

[FreeSongs' Rhapsody]

00:11:453 (1,1,1) - Delete NC? i don't understand add NC.. different duration compared to others so NC is ok
01:11:453 (2) - NC 0.5 and 0.57 not a big difference

[Lunatic]

01:10:953 (1,1) - slider speed is first slowing next last fast better for flow imo..
01:10:953 - big finish music here so should be higher sv

Good Luck!
Also for Frey's: it's the end of music and strong beat so the ds is supposed to be large to emphasis that, so it's fine
For Lily Bread: fixed blanket, others no change

thanks lo
Beige
wtf this beatmap has a game
Monstrata
Unused hitsounds:
soft-hitclap.wav
soft-hitfinish.wav

FreeSong's

00:09:203 - Red and Green lines are conflicting in volume.
Topic Starter
sahuang

Monstrata wrote:

Unused hitsounds:
soft-hitclap.wav
soft-hitfinish.wav
deleted
FreeSong's

00:09:203 - Red and Green lines are conflicting in volume.
made them the same 10%
Edit: gonna update tonight so bubble can be repaired

Edit2: updated.
Monstrata
#1
Xinely
we did recheck on irc

i think we can give a try for this ~
Topic Starter
sahuang
Thanks mr monstrata and baka nely<3
Pata-Mon
wocao
Haruto
Congratulations~
Left
gratzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


and rip harem
Otosaka-Yu
hao jb kuxuan
look like game
Beomsan
gratz
Satellite
cool sb grats :3
Nerova Riuz GX
ah. I'm a little bit late here but well, who knows.

I think there might be some things that should be clarified (or even fixed) here, some further discussion is probably required.
They are from my own view, but I'll try my best to make them more objective so people can see and judge them as well.

First of all, since 09kami's is no longer available in the regular set, it might not be appropriate to have his name in tags. well.

[freesongs]
  1. 00:20:953 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I might agree if you're going to make them with the backgrounds, but the stacks and pattern feel overdone here. imo the pattern is boosting the emphasis, which is weird because 1) it breaks the consistency on stacks and beats 2) causes a huge emphasis loss on 00:21:828 - behind the slider leniency
  2. 00:28:453 (3,4,5) - where's your special stacking pattern? also it fits better here since there's a brass on 00:28:578 - . (percussion gets stronger too btw)
  3. 00:44:453 (2,3,4,1) - imo a straight stream could be much better before a sharp Z-shape jumps. those turns are wrist-breaking.
  4. 00:49:953 (1,2,1,2) - I did expect a spacing boost because a crescendo starts on 00:48:953 -, but they are all lowered all of a sudden. Let's take 00:33:953 (1,2,1,2) - as a reference, you used anti jumps, bigger spacings, movements...but they are all not being used here. Even if you're trying to make some varieties, they are still way too weird.
  5. 00:52:953 (1,2,3,4) - details are dropped here. unlike all the other things, they are represented by four sliders, with repetitive flows. It could be fine to use four slider here, but I think adding some changes on movements can make this better. it also sounds not repetitive anyway.
  6. 01:14:703 (2,3,1) - It causes reading issues after the permutation (01:12:703 (2,3,1) - 01:13:703 (2,3,1) - ). apart from the context it's okay though.
  7. 00:49:953 - A serious note, the antijumps/sharp jumps are heavily reduced after this time point. I know nothing about your intentions, but it will be great if you're willing to explain them here.
Topic Starter
sahuang
09kami has a diff before and it's removed, so there's nothing wrong including it in tags.
If it must be removed, qat can do it without disqualification tho I doubt if there's any need.

Freesongs will reply to this today, so don't worry, you will see his reply before its ranked.
It's 12am in Canada rn so maybe wait for another 16 hours or sth, thanks.

不是很懂你们搞事的,哎...这图打起来根本就没什么问题,这些都是你personal opinions。。反正等福瑞松回复吧
[Crz]Makii

sahuang wrote:

不是很懂你们搞事的,哎...这图打起来根本就没什么问题,这些都是你personal opinions。。反正等福瑞松回复吧
09kami

Nerova Riuz GX wrote:

First of all, since 09kami's is no longer available in the regular set, it might not be appropriate to have his name in tags. well.
agree
please delete link

Topic Starter
sahuang

09kami wrote:

Nerova Riuz GX wrote:

First of all, since 09kami's is no longer available in the regular set, it might not be appropriate to have his name in tags. well.
agree
please delete link

if you want
ok!! will ask some one to delete tag,but it's not dq worthy.
Topic Starter
sahuang
Actually i can try to respond, see if it can convince you. In case freesongs can't appear lol he's too busy
In chinese maybe?
respond

Nerova Riuz GX wrote:

[freesongs]
  1. 00:20:953 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I might agree if you're going to make them with the backgrounds, but the stacks and pattern feel overdone here. imo the pattern is boosting the emphasis, which is weird because 1) it breaks the consistency on stacks and beats 2) causes a huge emphasis loss on 00:21:828 - behind the slider leniency
    00:21:203 (2,3,4,5,6) - 这边不觉得有什么问题。。是一个很好的有规律重叠,overdone'的问题完全没有..这张图首先就没有那种瞎跳,00:20:453 (3,4,5,6) - 这种地方都是这样的重叠,现在这个pattern怎么能说他break the consistency on stacks and beats...
  2. 00:28:453 (3,4,5) - where's your special stacking pattern? also it fits better here since there's a brass on 00:28:578 - . (percussion gets stronger too btw)
    00:28:328 (2,3) - emphasis了音调增加,所以要远一点,00:27:578 (4,3) - 也是stack的,然后00:28:453 (3,4,5,1) - 间距规规矩矩。
  3. 00:44:453 (2,3,4,1) - imo a straight stream could be much better before a sharp Z-shape jumps. those turns are wrist-breaking.
    这个只是个人看法,都是stream,直线和稍微弯一点的stream'没什么区别...只是你可能觉得打起来更顺,但是并没有必要改
  4. 00:49:953 (1,2,1,2) - I did expect a spacing boost because a crescendo starts on 00:48:953 -, but they are all lowered all of a sudden. Let's take 00:33:953 (1,2,1,2) - as a reference, you used anti jumps, bigger spacings, movements...but they are all not being used here. Even if you're trying to make some varieties, they are still way too weird.
    很奇怪吗。。这两段kiai也并不需要全部anti-flow吧...感觉还是个人看法,因为第二个地方确实可以anti,但是打起来排版就会完全不同,又需要一堆改正。在不影响dq前提下我觉得不需要改,你觉得呢》。
  5. 00:52:953 (1,2,3,4) - details are dropped here. unlike all the other things, they are represented by four sliders, with repetitive flows. It could be fine to use four slider here, but I think adding some changes on movements can make this better. it also sounds not repetitive anyway.
    hmm...四个滑条表示节奏未尝不可,确实可以改一个为2个圈,但是一样,这边还是个人偏好,不影响图的dq啊
  6. 01:14:703 (2,3,1) - It causes reading issues after the permutation (01:12:703 (2,3,1) - 01:13:703 (2,3,1) - ). apart from the context it's okay though.
    这图本来就很吃读图。。所以说很多地方确实有很难打的梗,希望你能理解下,毕竟6.2星的ex,做了个很有他特色的难度w
  7. 00:49:953 - A serious note, the antijumps/sharp jumps are heavily reduced after this time point. I know nothing about your intentions, but it will be great if you're willing to explain them here.
    第二段确实比第一段好打点,少了些anti,这样可以增加variety...我个人是觉得打图的时候一轻一快节奏变起来挺舒服的,就看你怎么map了吧。
最后...这图真的很良心啊,相比于现在那么多无脑1/2大跳图,这种有风格的set确实很少见,我也想把这样的set多多引入osu,因此这首6.22的图打起来确实很卡手。他并没有spacing连打,没有big jump,很多都是有趣的节奏排列组合,说他卡手是肯定的。不过我希望你能接收一下这种风格啦,毕竟freesongs的图风就这样,你可以参考helix来着。
其实你说的那些issue,确实不是不能改,但是没必要。不会cause dq,但是可能打的更顺手,我觉得还是mapper自己的选择喜好吧,我觉得这样的图没什么问题。在consistency上去挑刺感觉没什么必要==dq一趟也很麻烦,更何况是没什么太大改变的dq,不值得。

Thanks for your concerns, maybe freesongs will say more if you still are not satisfied w

It's more like your personal thoughts about how to map this song through freesongs' diff,so i dont think it's a valid reason for dq, the map has it's unique style and it's totally fine.
FreeSongs

Nerova Riuz GX wrote:

ah. I'm a little bit late here but well, who knows.

I think there might be some things that should be clarified (or even fixed) here, some further discussion is probably required.
They are from my own view, but I'll try my best to make them more objective so people can see and judge them as well.

First of all, since 09kami's is no longer available in the regular set, it might not be appropriate to have his name in tags. well.

[freesongs]
  1. 00:20:953 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I might agree if you're going to make them with the backgrounds, but the stacks and pattern feel overdone here. imo the pattern is boosting the emphasis, which is weird because 1) it breaks the consistency on stacks and beats 2) causes a huge emphasis loss on 00:21:828 - behind the slider leniency I feel like this is the less intense part for the section from 00:17:953 - to 00:25:953 -, so I stack them to sort of express this feeling. They are easy to follow and do not require much reading compared to other patterns before and after. For the second time (00:28:953 (1,2,3,4,5) - ), I changed the idea entirely to build up for the kiai, which makes the entire transition (from "before kiai" to "kiai")more natural imo.
  2. 00:28:453 (3,4,5) - where's your special stacking pattern? also it fits better here since there's a brass on 00:28:578 - . (percussion gets stronger too btw) explained above I believe
  3. 00:44:453 (2,3,4,1) - imo a straight stream could be much better before a sharp Z-shape jumps. those turns are wrist-breaking. maybe. I think it plays fine and give more variety in stream styles. Also, I personally think the current way feels better than just making the stream straight
  4. 00:49:953 (1,2,1,2) - I did expect a spacing boost because a crescendo starts on 00:48:953 -, but they are all lowered all of a sudden. Let's take 00:33:953 (1,2,1,2) - as a reference, you used anti jumps, bigger spacings, movements...but they are all not being used here. Even if you're trying to make some varieties, they are still way too weird. "The big anti jumps and bigger spacings, movements ..." They are all for the sudden transition to the kiai. My intention was to emphasize the beginning of the kiai. At the beginning of the second kiai, there is not much need for emphasis again imo (It is according how I feel the song is like). They are lower in spacing but not in difficulty. The flow is different and that is exactly what I want to create here. It also gives a smooth transition to the calm part after the kiai.
  5. 00:52:953 (1,2,3,4) - details are dropped here. unlike all the other things, they are represented by four sliders, with repetitive flows. It could be fine to use four slider here, but I think adding some changes on movements can make this better. it also sounds not repetitive anyway. Yeah, I did hesitate about this when I was placing these four sliders. I tried to make the rhythm as vary as possible while not breaking the flow idea behind it. The idea here was to do an oval flow to make a small contrast with the straight flow right after this 00:53:953 (1,2,1,2,1) -
  6. 01:14:703 (2,3,1) - It causes reading issues after the permutation (01:12:703 (2,3,1) - 01:13:703 (2,3,1) - ). apart from the context it's okay though. [color=#8000FF]Well, 01:12:578 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - , 01:13:578 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - and the first part of the last pattern 01:14:578 (1,2,3,1) - are exactly the same in structure. I don't think the small spacing 01:14:828 (3,1) - can cause any reading issue but emphasize the large jumps right after this.
  7. 00:49:953 - A serious note, the antijumps/sharp jumps are heavily reduced after this time point. I know nothing about your intentions, but it will be great if you're willing to explain them here. should have been explained above. antijumps/sharp jumps are reduced by the difficulty is not reduced. The different feeling of flow is exactly what I want the players to get overall.
Thank you for the feedback!!
Karen
online tag is different from in-game tag, if you want to completely fix the tag issue, you'd better dq it. /passing by
Topic Starter
sahuang

Karen wrote:

online tag is different from in-game tag, if you want to completely fix the tag issue, you'd better dq it. /passing by
confirmed with okorin,he said someone deleted online tag and i guess it's fine w
-Nanaka-
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恭喜sahuang & Lily酱 :)
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hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh删了09后果然RANK了
towelie316
Is this real to get clear storyboard (with or without music) in video format?
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