My Chemical Romance - All I Want For Christmas Is You · forum

Lust

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Lust 2014-12-21T19:28:34+00:00

Howdy

You're lucky you mapped 80.1% of the song, otherwise you'd need to cut

[Insane]

AR9 would be nice. A lot of your fast-paced patterns call for it imo especially with the abundance of 1/3 patterns

[Hard]

01:22:328 (3) - I can find this being an issue, since the slider repeats quite a bit and its kind of long players might get lost trying to follow it and end up dropping combo. Adding a curve to the slider will clear it up tbh

Call me back

riffy

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riffy 2014-12-21T19:40:50+00:00

Applied everything, though that slider on the Hard was changed in another way.

Lust

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Lust 2014-12-21T19:50:51+00:00

Bubbled

Tari

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Tari 2014-12-22T00:47:06+00:00

The timing on this is eek D:

mancuso_JM_

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mancuso_JM_ 2015-01-03T19:15:40+00:00

I've seen the mapset a bit fast, and you should really get someone to check your timing because some sections sound bad in my opinion.

For example, the first note in Insane sounds really off (for around 20~25 ms in my opinion), so you should really check this , in general I didn't check other sections because I'm not really good at multiple timing songs, that's why I recommend you to find a pro timer to check this one.

Christmas have finished (and a new year have started :/), anyway I hope you can rank this one as soon as possible (or maybe you decide to leave it for the next year xD).

Oh well, see you around bro and best of luck again!

riffy

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riffy 2015-01-03T19:30:10+00:00

So, I guess this stays bubbled till we get a better timing. Afterwards, I'll ask around and decide what to do!

Thank you!

Lust

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Lust 2015-01-06T16:53:25+00:00

Popping while the mapper looks to find better timing. We'll be back eventually!

riffy

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riffy 2015-10-04T05:07:35+00:00

Stuff is getting done slowly. jossieP's timing seems to be correct.

Mao

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Mao 2015-11-26T12:29:03+00:00

Oh yay, it's back o/

Bonsai

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Bonsai 2016-01-07T00:13:41+00:00

17:37 Bonsai: I'll have a look at it some time!
...
17:43 Bonsai: I won't get to it that soon though since my hands are broken
...
17:46 Bonsai: do you want to rank it before christmas2016 anyways?
17:47 Bakari: Depends on how fast you want to time it

...
ε=ε=ε=ε=┏(;￣▽￣)┛

~a few moments (seven hours) later~

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In the Normal, since that huge change between 01:13:894 and 01:14:276 is kinda hard to avoid you'll have to either ask pishifat to fix the mp3 here or change that slider, and 02:41:879 (2) should be easy to change too (I'm not a big fan of the rhythmic pattern here anyways), everything else should work

Call me when you applied it and want me to mod it, I'll time intro and outro some other time too for funzies and so it's not drastically off in the menu ^^

riffy

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Topic Starter

riffy 2016-01-07T15:23:19+00:00

Thanks a lot. Posting something, so your modd won't end up doubleposting.

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-01-07T16:29:08+00:00

Ok, here comes the mod \:D/

You might wanna add the Kiais in Normal and Hard too, and in Chrimstas the third one is really weirdly placed ^^
The Claps are rather inconsistent in all diffs, pointing them all out would be a lot of work, just go through it with lowered music-volume and see for yourself ^^Also, just an idea, maybe add Finishes on all the upbeats starting from 02:41:087 until 02:51:406 -?

Normal

00:50:897 (2,3) - You barely have any 2/1-gaps at all across the map and this one feels especially weird, how about moving it one 1/1 earlier, and maybe even extending it to 2/1?
01:06:948 (1,2) - The lower anchor is notably off the slidertick, dunno if you want to fix that ^^
01:15:007 (3,1,2) - Since you didn't space things uneven like that anywhere else you should fix that one too, it's actually more than just x0,06 difference since the section that starts at (2) is lower bpm
01:21:593 (1,2) - Mapping those exactly the same kinda takes away the 'specialness' of the 1/3s at (2), so I'd make (1) a 1/1 and maybe even add a circle between 01:18:676 (1,1) so the break is more emphasized (I hope you understand what I mean lol)
01:24:516 (1,2,3) - Again I kinda dislike the inconsistent 2/1-gaps, you didn't map 01:27:451 (1,2,3) like that which feels imbalanced to me : \
01:36:190 (1,2,1) - Imo this would flow better if you put (2) down at y:361
02:16:770 - I feel like adding a note here would fit the buildup in the song
02:50:214 (1,2) - Swapping those rhythmic-wise would make more sense I think

Hard

The beginning section not being 1/3 feels so off lol - I feel like some parts could focus better on the vocals to make it feel less awkward, like swapping 00:53:635 (3,4,5) rhythmic-wise, as well as 00:56:386 (3,4) and 00:56:934 (5,6) -, and 00:49:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) could be more vocal-focused too imo, like having 1/2-sliders start at 00:51:080 and 00:51:445 and maybe leaving 00:49:985 empty instead?
01:06:948 (1,2) - spacing too big lol
01:38:306 (2,3) - 02:24:351 (5,6) - 02:44:545 (3,4) - Just my taste but spacing these out feels very forced to me, those are the only three spaced clickable 1/3s in the whole diff, all other 1/3s are way more comfortable to play as they start with a passive note / slidertail, so I'd suggest stacking these two
01:43:526 (3,4) - Those should be 1/2
01:53:011 (4,1,2) - Those being 1/2s feels really off, stacking (1) above (2) at 01:53:981 would feel way better imo -> Maybe add a note at 01:56:172 too then
02:09:110 (2) - Maybe silence the tail since there's no active note here?
02:14:216 (1,2,3,4) - feels pretty overdone to me, the tail of (2) doesn't snap to anything as the lyrics are on the red tick if anything, so maybe just replace that one with a circle? : \
02:59:404 (1) - end isn't snapped right ^^

Christmas

01:01:677 - So many 1/2s but not mapping the vocals here? :c
01:06:242 - Since you mapped the other buildups, how about moving 01:06:948 (1,2) to here and mapping something else there? ^^
01:18:676 (1) - WHAT ARE THOSE anchor-points lol - Could you make this more beautiful / at least symmetrical? ^^
01:22:311 (3,4,5) - unusually high-spaced clickable 1/3s o:
01:41:554 (4,5) - whoa you sure about this spacing lol
01:43:526 (6,7,8,9) - Those are 1/2 again, deleting 01:43:403 (5) would be good too I think
01:04:061 (1) and 01:44:998 (1,2,1,2,3,4) are really inconsistent, dunno if you did something with my point about the first buildup but I think they should be rather equal
01:46:471 (1,2,3,4) - Maybe make the SV and volume of the first two lower?
02:15:675 (1,2,3) - (2) being offbeat is really weird to play, maybe let (1) end earlier so you can start a slider on the white tick?
02:17:134 (1) - Uh either there's a note missing here or it isn't snapped right ^^

wheeeee

Edit: We had another irc-session on 8.1. after this mod got applied, mainly about mp3 and messed-up timing across the diffs, so I'll post this too now in order to justify getting three kudosu! here /me runs

log

16:01 *Bonsai is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/493997 My Chemical Romance - All I Want For Christmas Is You [Hard]]
16:01 Bonsai: 03:45:338 - lololol
16:02 Bakari: did I mess up something?
16:02 Bonsai: sounds like there's half a second of another song at the very end lol
16:02 Bonsai: some weird sound ^^
16:04 Bakari: welp
16:04 Bakari: let's hope it's somewhat made by MCR

16:04 Bonsai: I could just edit the mp3 so it fades out one second earlier if you want ^^
16:06 Bakari: if that won't require offset shifts and stuff \w/
16:07 Bonsai: anyways I timed [http://puu.sh/mo6PV/d68d5e2c1d.txt intro] and [outro http://puu.sh/mo6Sj/7de032c2c5.txt]
16:07 Bonsai: whoops
16:07 Bonsai: uuuh could be that it requires a shift of 30ms because all of my programs are weird
16:09 *Bakari is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/131508 My Chemical Romance - All I Want For Christmas Is You]
16:09 Bakari: same thing happens here, though
16:09 Bonsai: well didn't you steal the mp3 from there? ^^
16:09 Bakari: I did

16:10 Bonsai: then that's not a very valid argument ^^
16:10 Bakari: the thing I'm afraid of
16:10 Bakari: is the need to re-do the whole timing
16:11 Bonsai: nah if I edit it it just shifts, nothing else changes
16:12 Bakari: Then do it, please!
16:12 Bonsai: oki one moment ^^
16:12 Bonsai: should I just apply everything end stuff and send you the .osz? I updated everything one hour ago
16:14 Bakari: Do please ♥
16:26 Bonsai: uh just to be sure, do you have a few AiMod-issues in the Christmas right now too?
16:27 Bakari: http://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/QKL9KymR.png
16:27 Bonsai: phew

16:30 Bonsai: oh god the uninheriting timing points-conflict though
16:30 Bonsai: it is kinda impossible to find out what's wrong there
16:30 Bonsai: aaaaaaaaaaaa
16:31 Bakari: just copy 'em all from one diff \w/
16:32 Bonsai: yeah but WHICH ONE IS THE RIGHT ONE AAAAAAAAA
16:32 Bonsai: nvm I stil have my timing-diff
16:32 *Bakari throws a banana at you
16:34 Bonsai: aaaaaa
16:34 Bonsai: http://puu.sh/mo8oM/dd9ccabb26.png
16:37 *Bakari gives a banana
16:37 Bonsai: I don't understand but I'm okay with that
16:39 Bonsai: how does the bottom-timeline of Christmas look for you?
16:39 Bonsai: everything is chaos
16:39 Bonsai: (the Kiais)
16:40 Bakari: I've probably messed them up
16:40 Bonsai: oh
16:40 Bonsai: you
16:40 Bonsai: made the red ones Kiai but not the green ones lol http://puu.sh/mo8Jg/5399d7b37d.png
16:40 Bakari: DON'T BLAME ME
16:40 *Bakari throws another banana
16:40 Bonsai: WHO ELSE IS THERE TO BLAME
16:41 Bakari: PENGUINS
16:41 Bonsai: http://puu.sh/mo8Ll/07afc71acb.png
16:41 Bonsai: WHY IS THERE SUDDENLY EVEN MORE UNSNAPPED NOTES
16:41 Bonsai: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
16:42 Bakari: IT'S THE SPINNERS
16:42 Bonsai: nu-uh weird sliders
16:42 *Bakari sighs
16:43 Bakari: the SV-multipliers
16:43 Bakari: if they get off snapping, sliders go wild
16:43 Bonsai: omg everythinnnnnng
16:44 Bonsai: oh
16:44 Bonsai: the thing with the Kiais
16:44 Bonsai: was me
16:44 Bonsai: whoops
16:44 Bonsai: : )
16:45 Bakari: http://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/grqnhqUq.png
16:45 *Bakari throws another banana
16:45 *Bonsai hides underneath all the bananas
16:46 Bakari: ever wondered were all the osu!supporter money go?
16:46 Bakari: we buy bananas and throw them at people
16:46 Bonsai: lol
16:48 Bonsai: I d i d i t
16:48 Bonsai: last thing, where do you want the preview point to be
16:50 Bakari: a little bit earlier than the first kiai hits
16:50 Bakari: 1/2 or 1/3 earlier
17:01 Bonsai: [http://puu.sh/mo9Pp/f34d30935d.osz ヘ（。□°）ヘ]
17:02 Bakari: That was my face when I first saw timings for the map
17:02 Bonsai: the only thing I didn't fix now is the lead-in-thinigy at 01:47:244 - in CHristmas, I didn't even know this was editable lol
17:02 Bonsai: ^_^
17:03 Bonsai: there's a fancy 26bpm-section in the intro now lol
17:03 Bakari: You just take a corner of the break and delay it as much as you want
17:03 Bakari: you can easily edit those in any map, just don't overuse them :p
17:03 Bonsai: oh
17:03 Bonsai: wow
17:03 Bakari: Thank you ♥
17:03 Bonsai: I thought that only works for the beginning
17:04 Bonsai: Seems like I always missed that lol
17:04 Bonsai: but hey I also wanted to say that this pre-Kiai-part is really inconsistent in CHristmas + with the other diffs
17:04 Bonsai: in Hard there's the spinner until 01:47:244 -
17:04 Bonsai: in Normal only until 01:46:526 -
17:05 Bonsai: and in Hard and Christmas it it thus inconsistent with 01:05:592 -
17:06 Bonsai: oh yeah the Kiais in Normal and Hard are still msising whoops sry
17:06 Bakari: inconsistencies are the thing I always feel too lazy to fix, blame it all on my laziness \w/
17:06 Bonsai: lol
17:07 Bonsai: I'm still allowed to blame you for messing the timing points through the diffs anyways >:D
17:07 Bakari: that's mainly because I didn't place them
17:07 Bonsai: nah it's because I copied them from my timing-diff and they weren't there yet
17:08 Bakari: I could simply forget to place those, so it could be me

17:09 Bonsai: whatever ^^

Last edited by Bonsai 2016-01-08T22:05:29+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

riffy

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riffy 2016-01-07T17:10:41+00:00

Gonna need someone better at hitsounding than I am. thanks a lot, apllied pretty muc everything except for a couple of gaps being kept for the emphasis.

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Mao 2016-01-22T16:38:00+00:00

Are you going to hold this back until next christmas again? :/

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riffy 2016-01-22T18:17:10+00:00

Hopefully not. I suck at getting mods and finishing stuff, though.

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Sieg 2016-08-30T14:42:45+00:00

\w/

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riffy 2016-08-30T15:39:34+00:00

It's not dead, it's waiting for mods. I am trying to get this one ranked for X-mas.

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Remus 2016-08-31T06:46:27+00:00

Привет.
Сомневаюсь, что смогу дать дельные советы по улучшения уже как-то забабленной карты, но надеюсь что чем-то смогу помочь

Normal

В нормале вроде бы все хорошо. Есть пара бланкетов которые на пиксель не ровны, но это совсем ерунда, так что я упоминать это не стал.

Hard

00:53:507 (2) - в принципе все ок, но мне кажется, что можно еще чуток ниже опустить. Объясню как бы я подправил ----> КЛАЦ -----> опустив немного вправо левее 5 из этого комбо(я передвинул ее с 418:105 на 404:120) + опустив еще 2 (с 448:16 на 448:40, но тут примерно ) так же относительно 5, чтобы спейсинг между этими объектами сверху справа был одинаковый. Чего добьемся : переход с 2 на 3 более плавный, паттерн чуть плотнее, переход с 4 на 5 так же плавнее, как и потом сразу на 6. Имхо.
01:15:425 (2) - здесь точно такой спейсинг оправдан? По музыке просто не особо отличается.
01:55:256 (4,5) - я думаю игроку дано достаточное время на реагирование на 5 под 4, так что тут можно стакнуть.
02:24:406 (5) - на пиксель вниз - читается получше и смотрится тоже, например ----> КЛАЦ .
02:44:600 (3,4) - ^ -----> КЛАЦ (но тут переход будет с 2 на 3 не такой красивый, так что это можно пропустить. Хотя если уж делать предыдущее, то лучше сделать и это, а то два одинаковых паттерны, все дела)
02:48:691 (4) - поднять чуть выше -----> КЛАЦ

Christmas

01:07:003 (1) - вообще я бы не делал такие слайдеры, а именно почему ---->КЛАЦ -----> он будет немного приятней, если будет меньшего SV (т.к. будет удобнее если игроку не надо будет так сильно вести курсор, а хотя бы на чуток проводить его вверх), но есть, конечно, и минусы моего предложения здесь, а именно : 1. Лучше не делать сильный разброс по SV(если его вообще в таком старрейте можно будет так сильно менять), 2. Куча дополнительной работы(зеленые точки, конструкция слайдеров, подставлять их под остальные паттерны, под которые они были подставлены с прошлым SV), так что этот момент так чисто подумать. Вот.
01:16:158 (2,2) - чуток подравнять их тут между собой.
01:22:845 (5) - по мне так он тут абсолютно не нужен. Послушай без него на 50%-100% скорости. Этот звук это тянущийся 4 тап, который по сути можно оформить в слайдер, тогда будет хорошо. А если тап - то лучше убрать.
01:35:399 (6,7) - может сделать тут более "бланкетированным" этот момент? (я имею в виду по аппроучу ---> КЛАЦ
01:45:789 (2) - раз уж этот звук замапан(а тут очень сильно слышимый звук), то стоит сделать третий тап на 01:46:526). И ритм тогда не ломается, да и три тапа подряд выглядят симпатичнее двух, имхо.
01:50:388 (4) - до этого был паттерн в стиле Saten'а (а именно 01:49:046 (4,5,6) ), тут я думаю стоит сделать такой же спейсинг, как и там, например ----> КЛАЦ ---> к тому же после этого у тебя идет такие же паттерны в том же стиле Saten'а, поэтому чтобы не нарушать "флоу спейсинга"(если так можно вообще выразиться), то лучше выравнять здесь на примерно одинаковый.
так, тут поподробнее. Во-первых смещение вот этого комбо уберет маленький оверлап 3 на 1 следующего комбо, + 01:55:988 (3,2) будет похоже на хороший паттерн больше, чем раньше, + 01:56:347 (4,1) переход будет легче, + 01:57:443 (3,4) как и этот соответственно (хоть и совсем на малую долю, но все же). Не обязательно совсем менять такие мелочи, но мало ли понравится мое предложение.
01:59:656 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - тут просто шикарно придумано, но есть вот один момент совсем мелочный, а именно 01:59:656 (1,4) стакнуть их концы.
02:43:902 (1) - стакнуть/чуть подальше от конца слайдера(хотя бы на пиксель-два)

Так, ну вроде бы все указал. Песня очень приятная, думаю успеешь к НГ с ней управиться

Удачи o/

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riffy 2016-08-31T15:54:05+00:00

Разве что на предпоследнем в Инсейне не стал стак фиксить, его же не видно совсем. Остальное применил, спасибо!

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Bonsai 2016-08-31T15:57:01+00:00

Mao wrote:
Oh yay, it's back o/

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Izzywing 2016-08-31T19:26:58+00:00

waiting for mods, you say?

Normal

00:49:493 (1) - This would be a neat shape if you got symmetrical over the x axis, because then you could have its blanket with 00:49:126 (3) - and 00:50:952 (2) - be the exact same.

01:07:003 (1) - Line up the red nodes in the slidertick? So that the slider changes directions on the beats which is kinda cool
01:08:486 (1) - ^

01:14:331 (2) - would NC here, helps distinguish this symmetrical slider pattern thingy as its own pattern, also I'd move the NC of 01:15:425 (1) - to 01:15:789 (2) - instead.

02:22:659 (4,1) - This blanket could improved a bit if you want to.

02:48:691 (3,4) - Noticeably off blanket, also 02:48:691 (3) - is not symmetrical if you intended it to be.

03:01:981 - Looks like 20% of the song at the end is unmapped, I think you'll need to cut the mp3.

Hard

00:45:119 (1) - I don't like how you're ignoring the vocal on 00:45:300, seems important enough to be worth mapping.

Okay so I'm not really a fan of this diff. For one, I think the SV is too high, and I also dislike the many 1/1 gaps. For example, 00:51:500; why is there a gap here? There's even a vocal there. When the SV is this high for a hard, you cant exactly just have a constant stream of notes every 1/2 note, obviously, because that would make it too hard. If you lower the SV a bit, it gives you some more lenience in terms of not having to undermap so that the diff isn't too hard.

tl;dr I disagree with how this diff is mapped.

Some more examples of things I don't like;

00:53:507 (2,3,4,5,6) - First off, the 1/1 gap and the jump from 2 to 3 have similar spacing, which is a bit misleading. Second, this plays really weird; It goes from fast gameplay to pause to fast gameplay to pause, and I'm not a fan.

00:58:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Again, way too many 1/1 gaps. Makes it feel like play;pause;play;pause which just feels lame to me.

Might just be that since I'm a newer mapper I'm more used to the moddern mapping style, and this is an older map, but yeah I just disagree with how this is mapped. I don't want to say "remap pls" because you know, that's up to you, but take what I'm talking about into consideration.

To be clear, I get that this song doesn't do many favors in terms of allowing you to map the 1/2 beats constantly (because there aren't even sounds there a lot of the time), but when you're skipping prominent vocals (another example: 01:49:229 , 01:52:156 - , 01:52:884 - etc)

The christmas diff has a lot of these problems as well and I don't really know how to mod these difficulties, sorry :/

Sorry if my mod came off as "what is this 2014 mapping style delete pls" but ignoring the mapping style, the 1/1 gaps feel like severe undermapping and the SVs for the Hard (and Insane even) feel way too big.

Good luck!

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riffy 2016-09-02T16:28:58+00:00

Hobbes2 wrote:
waiting for mods, you say?

Normal

00:49:493 (1) - This would be a neat shape if you got symmetrical over the x axis, because then you could have its blanket with 00:49:126 (3) - and 00:50:952 (2) - be the exact same. they are practically the same, I might be just tired but I don't really see anything I could do with the pattern

01:07:003 (1) - Line up the red nodes in the slidertick? So that the slider changes directions on the beats which is kinda cool
01:08:486 (1) - ^

01:14:331 (2) - would NC here, helps distinguish this symmetrical slider pattern thingy as its own pattern, also I'd move the NC of 01:15:425 (1) - to 01:15:789 (2) - instead.

02:22:659 (4,1) - This blanket could improved a bit if you want to.

02:48:691 (3,4) - Noticeably off blanket, also 02:48:691 (3) - is not symmetrical if you intended it to be.

03:01:981 - Looks like 20% of the song at the end is unmapped, I think you'll need to cut the mp3.

Hard

00:45:119 (1) - I don't like how you're ignoring the vocal on 00:45:300, seems important enough to be worth mapping. there isn't much I can do as I don't want to overuse 1/2 stuff and I can't sip the downbeat. So, I guess this is kind of a compromise

Okay so I'm not really a fan of this diff. For one, I think the SV is too high, and I also dislike the many 1/1 gaps. For example, 00:51:500; why is there a gap here? There's even a vocal there. When the SV is this high for a hard, you cant exactly just have a constant stream of notes every 1/2 note, obviously, because that would make it too hard. If you lower the SV a bit, it gives you some more lenience in terms of not having to undermap so that the diff isn't too hard.

tl;dr I disagree with how this diff is mapped. I guess I have to explain the way spread works, and the way difficulties are mapped. This, is more of a Hard+ as the velocity goes, but in terms of the rhythm it's like an Advanced. Put these two together and you get a fairly well-done Hard. Most of the stuff tries to fit with the main instruments/vocals without overloading them. THis is also why Insane feels unusual and the SV gaps in general are so big, it might (not) work for 2016 Standards, but I believe the way it is mapped to be perfectly reasonable

Some more examples of things I don't like;

00:53:507 (2,3,4,5,6) - First off, the 1/1 gap and the jump from 2 to 3 have similar spacing, which is a bit misleading. Second, this plays really weird; It goes from fast gameplay to pause to fast gameplay to pause, and I'm not a fan. but that's exactly how I want the map to go and this is what I hear in the song. Besides, the spacing appears to be readable, though I will try to gather more opinions on it to make sure

00:58:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Again, way too many 1/1 gaps. Makes it feel like play;pause;play;pause which just feels lame to me. I do not want to turn it into 1/2 dudududududududud map, that would just ruin the song to me, so I try to work my way around the difficulty and emphasise things as I can

Might just be that since I'm a newer mapper I'm more used to the moddern mapping style, and this is an older map, but yeah I just disagree with how this is mapped. I don't want to say "remap pls" because you know, that's up to you, but take what I'm talking about into consideration.

To be clear, I get that this song doesn't do many favors in terms of allowing you to map the 1/2 beats constantly (because there aren't even sounds there a lot of the time), but when you're skipping prominent vocals (another example: 01:49:229 , 01:52:156 - , 01:52:884 - etc)

The christmas diff has a lot of these problems as well and I don't really know how to mod these difficulties, sorry :/

Sorry if my mod came off as "what is this 2014 mapping style delete pls" but ignoring the mapping style, the 1/1 gaps feel like severe undermapping and the SVs for the Hard (and Insane even) feel way too big.

Good luck!

I did, however, go through the map but couldn't really find any places where 1/2 beats would be necessary apart from 01:52:884 - that you have mentioned. Will try to gather opinions and see if it's still something that can compete with 2016 mapping.

Also, I've applied most of the things in Normal, if not anything. These really had to be fixed, indeed.Thanks a lot!

Not cuttin git as the mapped part ends exactly at 80.2% which is actually rankable. :p

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Izzywing 2016-09-02T19:19:54+00:00

Read through your response and I guess I can understand it more now. The idea of this being like a Hard+ in terms of speed but mapped like an Advanced to average out to a Hard isn't really something I like, but I understand that it can work. Sorry if I came across as harsh or anything, that's never my intention

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riffy 2016-09-02T19:54:37+00:00

It's always good to see an honest opinion, feels like a breath of fresh air. Appreciate your help, man!

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Bonsai 2016-11-07T22:22:31+00:00

If you're not getting it ranked this year I'm gonna knock over your Christmas Tree

also, this is currently breaking the 80%-rule, either map more or cut the ending so it's only ~3:33 long (rip my timing lol)

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riffy 2016-11-08T09:25:19+00:00

It's not breaking anything, as long as we are over the 80% timestamp we are good to go. As for the into, it can be as long as I find it necessary, so yeah.

I'll have a hard tme finding nominators for this one, tho.

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Saturnalize 2016-11-08T10:05:41+00:00

Am I allowed to mail this map to every available nominator

also revive this

pls

bakari

Bonsai

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Bonsai 2016-11-08T10:22:14+00:00

RC wrote:
You must cut your mp3 if you're using less than 80% of it. This doesn't count intro time, and thus only applies if more than 20% of the outro is unmapped.

You have to use 80% of the mp3 not counting the intro, which you are not. Trust me on this, I've recently asked Loctav for clarification on a different aspect of this rule, that's how it works.

Also, there's gonna be a Christmas-Queue as every year, so you won't have to worry about not finding anyone ^^

riffy

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riffy 2016-11-08T11:26:10+00:00

I am fairly sure it is fine, since this stuff is mostly case-by-case thing, this one should slip through no problem.

sahuang

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sahuang 2016-11-20T02:52:27+00:00

Uh, so if I have a 100 second long mp3, and I mapped 70s, leaving 10s intro and 20s outro, it's unrankable?

Last time I asked pishifat and he told me the <20% outro is the percentage of the whole MP3 rather than (length of mp3 - intro time).

pishifat

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pishifat 2016-11-20T03:01:51+00:00

(i was wrong)

Bonsai

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Bonsai 2016-11-20T08:47:58+00:00

Nah, you weren't wrong, we had yet another discussion with Loctav and it turns out that the rule is just unnecessary ambigiously worded and actually as soon as you hit the 80%-mark (and mo3 didn't get edited to avoid this rule ofc) you're good to go, dunno why the rule doesn't simply say that but I'm gonna post about rewording it now that this happened lol

Sorry if I came across like an asshole here, that's simply how a lot of other BNs and me interpreted that rule and never were told that we were wrong xd

riffy

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riffy 2016-11-20T09:19:26+00:00

I told you!

~~can we just yolo rebubble and rank right away~~

sahuang

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sahuang 2016-11-21T04:23:53+00:00

Best news ~~I've ever heard~~