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LeaF - Paraclete [Osu|Taiko]

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Joined June 2014
Feb
applied all of the mentioned aspects.

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osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 92470
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
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LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
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BeatDivisor: 4
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[Metadata]
Title:Paraclete
TitleUnicode:Paraclete
Artist:LeaF
ArtistUnicode:LeaF
Creator:Kroytz
Version:Feb's Hyper
Source:BMS
Tags:Sacred Art Japanese Electronic Classical Piano keysound Feb Nwolf deathstream RSI
BeatmapID:991587
BeatmapSetID:455109

[Difficulty]
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I hope its working out now >:
sheela
2,651 posts
Joined October 2011
sheela
ok ok
Rizia
3,114 posts
Joined January 2012
Rizia
[Extra]
  1. 01:29:184 (1,2) - rhythm here kinda questionable, spacing between 01:28:899 (7,1) - is almost same with previous here like 01:28:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
yes call me back
Kroytz
703 posts
Joined February 2013
Topic Starter
Kroytz

Rizia wrote:

[Extra]
  1. 01:29:184 (1,2) - rhythm here kinda questionable, spacing between 01:28:899 (7,1) - is almost same with previous here like 01:28:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Fixed now.
yes call me back
sahuang
2,293 posts
Joined December 2014
sahuang
Hype!!
I was just studying this map's patterns this morning ;w;
Rizia
3,114 posts
Joined January 2012
Rizia
qualified
Kyouren
5,583 posts
Joined October 2012
Kyouren
Gratzz, Krotyz and Nwolf :D
Cryptic
551 posts
Joined December 2013
Cryptic
Congrats~
Asahina Momoko
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Joined November 2013
Asahina Momoko
nic1
sahuang
2,293 posts
Joined December 2014
sahuang
Gratz, another key sounding masterpiece
Skylish
1,070 posts
Joined June 2013
Skylish
Well done, Nwolf. Nice GDs!!!

Can Sheela mod Taiko? Idk really.
Haruto
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Joined December 2013
Haruto
oh. Congratulations Kroytz and others! :D
Reillia
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Reillia
gratz!
wajinshu
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wajinshu
yay congrats!
Frostium
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Frostium
congrats !
pishifat
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pishifat

pishifat wrote:

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please

general
dont keysound without hitnormals

normal
02:14:899 (1) - it fits so well but it's so anti-lowest-difficulty-gameplay-feature-nonsense

...and most people would argue stacks under slidertails

ranking requirements are fun
really should take these into consideration :(
Little
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Little
Grats

Nice keysounds~
IamKwaN
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IamKwaN
The 1/4 kick slider at the end in Normal is beyond acceptable in the lowest difficulty. Even though it fits, it is very challenging for players to read the continuous reversed arrows. We expect something trivial and apparent as it serves as the lowest difficulty in the set. Please replace it with a long slider or a spinner or something else player-friendly.

For keysounding, imitating each piano sound is barely audible because they literally sound the same. To provide appropriate and adequate feedback to players, default hitnormals should be included.

Good luck for requalification!
Cryptic
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Cryptic
:c
Side
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Side

IamKwaN wrote:

To provide appropriate and adequate feedback to players, default hitnormals should be included.
7ambda
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7ambda

IamKwaN wrote:

The 1/4 kick slider at the end in Normal is beyond acceptable in the lowest difficulty. Even though it fits, it is very challenging for players to read the continuous reversed arrows. We expect something trivial and apparent as it serves as the lowest difficulty in the set. Please replace it with a long slider or a spinner or something else player-friendly.

For keysounding, imitating each piano sound is barely audible because they literally sound the same. To provide appropriate and adequate feedback to players, default hitnormals should be included.

Good luck for requalification!
Good for CTB.
Kroytz
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Kroytz
Due to popular demand, I've made some changes to the 1/3 sections as to be less "kill".

Normal:

Removed the last two sliders.

Extra:

00:48:256 (3,4) - fixed rhythm a tiny bit.
00:48:613 (6) - removed NC
00:48:899 (1) - made as repeat slider

Serendipity -

00:49:184 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Minor map change.
00:50:327 (1) - now is two repeating sliders instead of slider to circle pattern.
00:53:470 (1,2,3) - easier to hit.
00:54:899 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - much easier to hit.

Keysounds:

Talked with Kwan.
It's viable enough to be acceptable. Normals would ruin the sounds (mind as well delete them in that case). Applying it to whistles will destroy custom-hitsound muters to hear a bunch of whistle spams. It would also hinder my regular whistle usage.
Spaghetti
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Spaghetti
i just love how u only put the top diff in the mappers desc lol
Wormi
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Wormi
While this is DQ'ed can I ask why these combos are 16 long but the previous ones are 8 in last diff ?
02:09:184 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) -
02:10:327 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) -
Kroytz
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Kroytz
The streams get NC'd for their turns and since those streams don't turn sharp like former combos, so they extend for the whole measure.
sheela
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sheela
The 1/4 repeat slider at the end of Normal is now replaced with a spinner.

rebub
SrSkyPlayer
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SrSkyPlayer
Serendipity
01:30:899 (1) - why not nc here too?
Kroytz
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Kroytz

SrSkyPlayer wrote:

Serendipity
01:30:899 (1) - why not nc here too? fuk.
Okoratu
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Okoratu

Kroytz wrote:

Keysounds:

Talked with Kwan.
It's viable enough to be acceptable. Normals would ruin the sounds (mind as well delete them in that case). Applying it to whistles will destroy custom-hitsound muters to hear a bunch of whistle spams. It would also hinder my regular whistle usage.
you can combine both the hi-hat hitnormal and the hitnormals you have to a single sound to not change a single thing about it, though. You don't even have to spam whistles, it just seems odd after 01:14:327 - which has constant hi-hats for hitnormal feedback to then basically change to barely any hitnormal except for 01:44:542 (5,6) - and a few others in the section which sound super random as a result.
could literally take that hi-hat and throw it into your hitnormals together with the keysounds for each sampleset to have constant hitnormals providing feedback, while keeping your keysounds and avoiding people to hear whistlespam who mute hitsounds

edit: just leaving this here so whoever wants to may see for themselves before pushing this forward: http://puu.sh/qtdlC/d951af5a56.zip
mithew
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mithew
the piano hitsounds play completely fine on their own, i don't see the need to add another sound to them.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Keyhitsounds are not completely fine on their own, it's kind of beyond me what players try to achieve with that. There is legit no feedback included and thus it's unrankable.

Something about the spread (last section) too.

I + A = four 1/4 slider
E + S = complete stream

imo you should really balance this out before this goes anywhere, along with providing more feedback to the objects.
unko
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unko
Mithew is better than you she know more
Kroytz
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Kroytz
It most definitely is not unrankable and if it was, you would've raised your voice 2 months ago when a similar keysounded map got qualified. But you and Okorin kept quiet so I don't understand why the sudden disdain. (I'll also just throw in the fact that the keyboard used for this song provides Hard keys compared to my former map which used Soft keys. Theoretically, it'd provide more feedback but that's beside the point.) In any case, as I've said to multiple users now, if a player doesn't like them then they can disable. It matters to me 0%.

What I try to achieve with the keysounds is to reflect the song back in my map. Because as a mapper - an artist if you will - I'd like to finish this project having the feeling of completion. If I could, I would find or make a SB for this but learning from past experiences, I'm better off sparing myself that trouble. If I could, I would hitsound all the other tiny sounds in the song but I'm currently unable to do that due to hitsounding limitations, so this is my next best compromise while keeping my intentions for this map.

I said to you Okorin: "It's amazing how when a map is subtly keysounded, nobody bats an eye. But when a majority of it is, people start to raise concern."

I can list many maps that utilize raw keysounds in excess or sparingly, and find people who have had 0 issues. Okay... so let's multiply that x however many sounds is needed for Paraclete and the idea is still the same. Perhaps it is because almost nobody does this and the idea of it seems both foreign and ludicrous. Maybe even as foreign or ludicrous as mapping with only horizontal sliders to Large grid. But let that be for a separate discussion.

You can enjoy (or not enjoy) however you wish to, there will be those who have a personal vendetta against keysounds and those who have a liking towards them. It matters to me not. What matters to me most is that I've completed what I set out to do to the best of my ability while following the ranking criteria as best as I could.

@Irre:

I + A = 1/4 slider.
E = Stream. Consider this the Extra that was meant to be. If Seren didn't exist, this would be fine.
Seren = Stream. Consider this as the evolved Extra, the bonus boss battle you face only after you've beaten the game. This is why this difficulty is 95% streams and is keysounded- because it's the Extra taken to the next level.
Irreversible
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Irreversible

Kroytz wrote:

It most definitely is not unrankable and if it was, you would've raised your voice 2 months ago when a similar keysounded map got qualified. But you and Okorin kept quiet so I don't understand why the sudden disdain. (I'll also just throw in the fact that the keyboard used for this song provides Hard keys compared to my former map which used Soft keys. Theoretically, it'd provide more feedback but that's beside the point.) In any case, as I've said to multiple users now, if a player doesn't like them then they can disable. It matters to me 0%.

What I try to achieve with the keysounds is to reflect the song back in my map. Because as a mapper - an artist if you will - I'd like to finish this project having the feeling of completion. If I could, I would find or make a SB for this but learning from past experiences, I'm better off sparing myself that trouble. If I could, I would hitsound all the other tiny sounds in the song but I'm currently unable to do that due to hitsounding limitations, so this is my next best compromise while keeping my intentions for this map.

I said to you Okorin: "It's amazing how when a map is subtly keysounded, nobody bats an eye. But when a majority of it is, people start to raise concern."

I can list many maps that utilize raw keysounds in excess or sparingly, and find people who have had 0 issues. Okay... so let's multiply that x however many sounds is needed for Paraclete and the idea is still the same. Perhaps it is because almost nobody does this and the idea of it seems both foreign and ludicrous. Maybe even as foreign or ludicrous as mapping with only horizontal sliders to Large grid. But let that be for a separate discussion.

You can enjoy (or not enjoy) however you wish to, there will be those who have a personal vendetta against keysounds and those who have a liking towards them. It matters to me not. What matters to me most is that I've completed what I set out to do to the best of my ability while following the ranking criteria as best as I could.

@Irre:

I + A = 1/4 slider.
E = Stream. Consider this the Extra that was meant to be. If Seren didn't exist, this would be fine.
Seren = Stream. Consider this as the evolved Extra, the bonus boss battle you face only after you've beaten the game. This is why this difficulty is 95% streams and is keysounded- because it's the Extra taken to the next level.
It is unrankable, if there is no proper feedback provided, we really don't need to discuss that. Also, quit comparing your maps to what's already ranked, because they literally don't matter in this case.

Add feedback on your map, problem solved, no need to throw such a tantrum. You can ask many people - I have never supported keyhitsounds, because to me it appears to be a waste of time. If others want to do it, that's fine with me and I honestly don't mind it - but then with proper feedback.

If people can disable something, that's up to them but does not matter in this case as well.

About the spread, thanks for re-stating what I said, but that doesn't make the spread any better. And no, it wouldn't have been fine, and it doesn't make sense either. Another is pretty streamy, why not involving some streams too?
Kroytz
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Kroytz
I'm not trying to compare, I'm trying to provide relevance to a topic once discussed not too long ago.

The keysound itself is feedback. Maybe toning down music volume or increase effect volume and find that they are audible. Ranking Criteria within regards to audio states that it can't be silent, but this is not silent. And you think of it as a waste of time, I think otherwise. I've said to Okorin that similar to SB's (even really over the top ones), keysounding provides a player experience, albeit a much different one - if the player wishes to play alongside the music or without music where they create the song by hitting circles.

I can't say this argument will go any further considering we've reached an impasse, so perhaps I'll find more voices to speak about the subject (again).

___

I can add a couple of streams in addition to the sliders for Another.
Okoratu
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Okoratu
If you want to involve actual RC wording:
Hitsounds from notes and sliders must be audible. These provide feedback for the player, and having them silent in a rhythm game doesn't make much sense.

the argument against your keysounding is that they provide very little feedback and are thus inappropriate as hitsounds
they do provide feedback, but only if you like don't really hit accurately... which in itself seems pretty odd for an assumption
VINXIS
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VINXIS
i'd use oko's hitsoudnz anywy cuz ther 3489752349589x better tht way tbh ;/ but thts my opinion,

can u at leas t buffer ur sliderz tho plz /;
Kroytz
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Kroytz
Low feedback and silence are two very different things. This is practically gray area and only refutable by the QAT's personal ideologies.

I would've expected more neutral stances as to come to a resolution stated clearly within the RC.

audible ✓
silent ✗
Irreversible
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Irreversible

Kroytz wrote:

Low feedback and silence are two very different things. This is practically gray area and only refutable by the QAT's personal ideologies.

I would've expected more neutral stances as to come to a resolution stated clearly within the RC.

audible ✓
silent ✗
audible ✓
feedback ✗
rankable ✗

just do what vinxis said
Kroytz
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Kroytz

Irreversible wrote:

audible ✓
feedback ✗
rankable ✗

just do what vinxis said
Your bias against keysounds make this all the less a legitimate claim.
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