Hpocks wrote:

I have heard rumors that you are trying to rank this, so I have decided to leave a simple mod to discuss some of the things that are wrong with it and make it unrankable. Even ignoring the distinct lack of readability, distance spacing, and general playability throughout the entire song, this map still has many issues, some of which I will point out in this mod.


[Aspire]

To make this map rankable, you need to make a full set for this song, which includes a map that is at least less than 2*, and a steady spread throughout reaching this diffulcty (easy, normal, hard, insane, then this behemoth)

00:00:659 (1) - This slider should end at 00:00:831 -. You see, when sliders for no reason bend back on themselves, that is confusing and is hard to read. This should be fixed to make the map more readable. Fixed it by rotating the slider 360 degrees.
00:09:279 (3) - ^ Rotated it 720 degrees instead.
00:17:900 (1) - ^Moved this up 5 pixels, right 20 pixels, down 5 pixels, and left 20 pixels.
00:18:589 (1,2,1) - ^Ctrl+G'ed this twice.
00:19:969 (1,2) - ^ Ctrl+G'ed it 4 times.
01:48:933 (1) - ^ Ctrl+H'ed it, then Ctrl+J'ed, then rotated 180 degrees!

00:01:865 (1,2) - I see here that you put the circle on top of the slider at the end. This is not allowed, and the fact that the circle is on the slider makes it difficult to read, and it should be changed immediately. The examples below could either be examples of notes ontop of notes or sliders on top of sliders Excellent observation! Moved it two pixels up, four pixels down, then two pixels up again!
00:04:624 (1,2) - ^ Same
00:07:382 (1,2) - ^I deleted this, the Ctlr+L'ed
00:10:141 (1,2) - ^Deleted this, then Ctrl+Z'ed
00:12:900 (4,5) - ^Same here
00:15:658 (1,2) - ^Deleted this, and the next two as well, then Ctrl+Shift+L'ed
00:44:796 (1,2,1,2) - ^
01:40:313 (1,1) - ^

00:12:037 (4) - Not only is this slider bad because of how suddenly fast it is, but it also changes speed as it goes along its path. Your sliders should not change speed during its movement, and this is highly difficult to read. The examples below could even show random speed changing of sliders, extremely slow, or extremely fast sliders. Reduced the SV by 2x, then doubled the SV.
00:23:072 (1) - ^ Doubled the bpm, then reduced the bpm by 174.
00:34:105 (1) - ^ I dont even know what the hell this is I believe this is a slider.
00:44:796 (1,2,1,2) - ^ But it is overly slow instead of fast Made it twice as fast, then twice as slow.
00:45:486 (1) - ^ Reduced the SV by a factor of 1.
01:08:934 (1) - ^Pressed "E" on the slider-head twice.
01:36:348 (1) - ^ A spinner would be about 200x more appropriate. Even a circle would be many times better. Deleted the slider, and added a spinner, then updated my map to the latest pending version.
01:40:313 (1) - ^ ^Used the same technique here.

00:42:813 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - Not only are these sliders very difficult to read (you have no idea what direction they would go!), but they are painfully fast and unplayable!!! Not even AUTO can do these! These need to be taken out immediately. You have to be a freaking moron to think this was playable at all! I agree. Replaced with 1/4 repeating sliders, then reverted to the last saved stated.
01:11:002 (1,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - ^ I hope these are jokes. You know this is absolute crap that needs to be remapped, right? I agree. Deleted the entire map and redownloaded it.

00:56:520 (1) - Nice symmetry! Make this symmetrical! Ctrl+H'ed it twice! Hopefully it's more symmetrical now.

02:02:726 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - These notes are not fully on the screen. You see, when notes are not on the screen, they are very difficult to read and nearly impossible to hit. These are just plain unrankable. Replaced them with a spinner, and Ctrl+L'ed

And I didnt even go over anything nit-picky. ALL of these things have to be changes for the map to even have a slither of chance of being ranked.
I would like Kudosu for being the most helpful mod here...

Forlornly wrote:

regarding the breaks, i think you might have mistimed them a bit. looking at the timing points in the notepad i can see what you're going for, but i think there's a bit of a delay between where the breaks theoretically start/end and where they actually and visually start/end, probably because they fade in and out

like in the first break, set to 11003,12381, it's set to start at 00:11:003 (1) - and end on 00:12:382 (1) - which makes perfect sense, but watching-GN's play of it it looks instead like it starts on 00:11:262 (2) - and ends on 00:13:244 (5) - and this seems to be the case on a few of the other breaks, but not all of them.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

get hyped

as a ctb bn i'm basically the most qualified to check maps like this right :^)

i s ranked so, good for ctb

Monstrata wrote:

Forlornly wrote:

regarding the breaks, i think you might have mistimed them a bit. looking at the timing points in the notepad i can see what you're going for, but i think there's a bit of a delay between where the breaks theoretically start/end and where they actually and visually start/end, probably because they fade in and out

like in the first break, set to 11003,12381, it's set to start at 00:11:003 (1) - and end on 00:12:382 (1) - which makes perfect sense, but watching-GN's play of it it looks instead like it starts on 00:11:262 (2) - and ends on 00:13:244 (5) - and this seems to be the case on a few of the other breaks, but not all of them.

Theres the fade out yes. But what was most important for me was the health bar, and other objects on the screen fading out in sync to the music. It's true, the actual "break" doesn't begin until 250 ms after the initial break, due to fade out, but i'm aiming to snap the fade out and fade in with the music, not the break duration itself. Fadein-Fadeout being snapped maps more sense because it better relates to the theme of "transforming" and seeing a visual change in progress as you go from one section to another.

Thanks for your time though!

xxdeathx wrote:

savage ^

Monstrata wrote:

Anything under 3 characters isn't searchable anyways xD

Underforest wrote:

update your video graphics, maybe your pc is low-end

OnosakiHito wrote:

That static note at the beginning. lol

Okorin wrote:

which part is actually impossible to pass using hard rock? the star sliders, the butterflies or which because Auto can apparently deal with this map on HR

Mancis wrote:

So, uhh I have a 1280x1024 monitor and I play fullscreen.
02:02:726 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - All of these triples at the end of the map are partially off screen, with the last one being almost completely off screen. Although it's still possible to hit them. Is this intended?

(how it looks on my end)
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5680727
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5680888

Okorin wrote:

maybe making them part of the break would solve that too as far as im aware the break thing removes all hp drain from the respective section

we'll see what monstrata wants to do to it

-GN wrote:

the difference in challenge in passing it nomod is negligible, but making it possible to pass on HR adds another layer of challenge to the map, which the pro players would enjoy(i know i would).

riktoi wrote:

If you lower the hp BY 0.1 it is PASSABLE with hr.

Monstrata wrote:

Yea, is there proof this is actually impossible to HR? Not "very difficult"?

Remyria wrote:

THE AUTO CAN'T EVEN SS

-GN wrote:

http://gn.s-ul.eu/aeV188ZZ

i made a version of the map(deleted first 65 seconds) with a change to the butterfly sliders that makes it possible to pass even at HP7(HP5+HR, that is).

what i changed was:
i doubled the bpm of the shift that takes it to 1392 during the butterfly sliders, so every slider is twice as fast(didn't change SV multipliers). the bpm here is now 2784, which is half of the maximum used elsewhere, so it doesn't inflate it
then every slider after the shift has its length doubled by making red ticks that go in zigzag motion up and down through the middle like this, except in the middle of the slider so you can't see them.

you could try implementing this concept into the map yourself(or you know, copy the hitobjects part and do whatever cleanup you see fit) - in this case you don't actually need to change the HP(you could possibly even increase it) and everyone is happy!

l1mi wrote:

Really nice mapping, but why is it qualified? is it a new trend to place notes outside the board. (didnt even laugh at that point almost expected it)

MillhioreF wrote:

I think it depends on framerate, too. Testing HR+Relax on my laptop, I need HP3.6 or lower to pass the butterfly sliders, but some people have reported luck with 3.8 or 3.9 - I'll test this more when I get home in a few hours.

Monstrata wrote:

This doesn't actually change how the slider is played though. The reason you're getting 100's isn't because of the slider's path, its the notelocking and slider-head window. Whether I have zigzags on the body or not, it won't affect the outcome because only the slider-head, and slider-tail are being factored in.

Monstrata wrote:

You mentioned deleting half of the map. That seriously affects HP drain too though. HP drain is really complex because it also takes into account the entire map's object density, as well as the NC frequency in the map, so removing half of the map already skews the HP drain substantially when comparing it to the full version. (Think of Cookiezi's spinner fail on my Road of Resistance map, except so much of the map was deleted, along with NC rhythms, that the map ended up draining more than it was supposed to. Here the song is shorter, and you've only deleted half, and not 95% so HP drain should be higher than it actually is).

Monstrata wrote:

The GN slider-thing is just not something I want to do