his complete lack of care in almost all of his posts, the fact that a jester would not be in a game of this size, his roleclaim when he thought he was dead, again expressing a lack of care in pms to me, a playstyle that fits neither mafia or aux roles etc.

I mean I could quote posts but it would be pretty much all of his posts

so basically he did a good job and ate the nightkill like civilians/vanilla should

Speaking of which, I want to know what Lybydose, meronmyon, DiamondCrash think of this situation. They haven't posted at all since Day 2 started.

Two wrote:

his complete lack of care in almost all of his posts, the fact that a jester would not be in a game of this size, his roleclaim when he thought he was dead, again expressing a lack of care in pms to me, a playstyle that fits neither mafia or aux roles etc.

Two wrote:

If strager and Wojjan didn't know this too after all the games that they've played, well then I'm disappointed

Two wrote:

It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla

@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?

NoHItter wrote:

@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?

I have, repeatedly, in multiple posts.

In short, I think Two is trying to make Wojjan and myself feel more confident, then more of a target when Two turns up Mafia.

I would like to comment directly on one post by Two, however:

Two wrote:

It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla

It's obvious that an experienced player can probably pick up that Nakata held a vanilla role mid-way through day 1. I did. Jester was a likely option, and I pushed for the idea until it didn't spring any fruit, which is why I felt Nakata wasn't really a Jester.

I just realized that the Mafia could have killed Nakata because they thought she was a Jester and didn't want a shared victory. I really doubt the Mafia thought Nakata held another aux role, though.

So you're saying you think it's more likely that they passed up on a chance to kill an aux role, to kill someone they thought was definitely either the jester or vanilla, than it is for them to have thought Nakata was aux because of my reaction to their roleclaim?

Yeah, that makes perfect sense if you're rust45. And I've already said this before but to care about the jester role's "victory" is completely idiotic. If it is truly something that you place value in, I don't put it past you to be mafia anymore.

Two, you're giving more credit to yourself than you're due.

Try looking into the actual reality, not the fantasy reality where everything works according to your plan.

YEAH

NoHItter wrote:

@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?

Nah not really, just Two being Two.

Two claims his actions convinced the mafia that Nakata was important to him (aux role) thus a night kill.
strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.

Anyway, after rereading through the thread, Two really strikes me as a suspicious character.
1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)
3) He already labeled two people (strager & Wojjan) as town, and when asked why he claimed they were, he only justified them via meta.
4) He wanted to talk about the previous night's events. Indicative of aux role or scum as strager said.
5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.

Vote: Two

NoHItter wrote:

1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.

Is it? Elaborate.

NoHItter, please explain to me how it's logical for Nakata to have died if mafia didn't think they were aux. Also, that list you gave is just laughable. I mean, even DiamondCrash called you out on your first point.

You all need to keep in mind that the only reason you even know I lied is because I told you all that I did. I didn't tell you I lied to get votes off of me, I planned to tell you this no matter what. I actually had the opportunity to be the first one to post after the day started, but I decided to wait until someone else posted in order to have more of a sway with what I was going to say. I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1. Or do you do any thinking at all beyond "it's not a vote for me, let's do it"?

I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?

NoHItter wrote:

strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.

Clarification: I find it more likely that the Mafia would see Nakata as a Jester or a vanilla townie than a townie with an aux role.

DiamondCrash wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.

Is it? Elaborate.

Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.

NoHItter wrote:

2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)

Two meant he would rather a vanilla townie die than an aux townie. In all likeliness, Mafia will not kill Mafia during the night, so it's best to try to sway the Mafia kill toward a ("100% known") vanilla (especially one which is annoying to the Town) instead of a possible aux.

NoHItter wrote:

5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.

I don't see what's wrong with what you have said. That isn't to say I don't see what's wrong with Two's reasoning behind seeing Nakata as 100% Town. I do (did, during the latter part of Day 1) agree that he was/is Town, though.

Two wrote:

NoHItter, please explain to me how it's logical for Nakata to have died if mafia didn't think they were aux.

Let me spell it out for you

1. Wine
2. In
3. Front
4. Of
5. Me

Two wrote:

I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.

I vote for you yesterday, and the actions during the night didn't change my vote. So I kept it. It's not like I magically un-think you're Mafia overnight. The evidence is still there.

Two wrote:

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1.

We all should, yes.

Two wrote:

I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?

Oh, shut up. You know what you're doing and it's not funny.

Ph0X wrote:

Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.

Why are you talking as if I left you to guess what my reason for lying was? Everyone should be lying in this game at some point, whether it's to protect their identity or to protect aux roles, so I guess everyone is mafia for playing to help the town. You make less and less sense every post.

Two wrote:

Ph0X wrote:

Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.

Why are you talking as if I left you to guess what my reason for lying was? Everyone should be lying in this game at some point, whether it's to protect their identity or to protect aux roles, so I guess everyone is mafia for playing to help the town. You make less and less sense every post.

Go learn what a scum tell is and try posting again.

You're just posting for the sake of posting, now.

Ph0X wrote:

While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations.

lol'd

Two wrote:

You're just posting for the sake of posting, now.

Your ignorance baffles me.

Lyby, can you please post? DxS, can you please make a meaningful post?

Ph0X wrote:

Lyby, can you please post? DxS, can you please make a meaningful post?

Also DC, what do you think of the situation now.

Two, you're telling us not to vote you, but you're not even defending yourself. Most questions that were brought up to you, you "laughed at" or just put aside without taking it seriously. Provide something substantial and not just AtE's if you really want to defend yourself.

Two wrote:

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1.

Great idea. Why don't you do it and post us what you think was suspicious in Day 1.

(Also rereading atm.)

NoHItter wrote:

Great idea. Why don't you do it and post us what you think was suspicious in Day 1.

I have been so lazy this game that I think it would only be right if I did that, especially since I'm gunning for someone to die.

Two, you're telling us not to vote you, but you're not even defending yourself. Most questions that were brought up to you, you "laughed at" or just put aside without taking it seriously. Provide something substantial and not just AtE's if you really want to defend yourself.

You people really are unbelievable. In regards to rust45, the guy misunderstood something entirely (in what I assume was irc, because if not he has more screws loose than I thought) and combined that with some romanticized intuition to happily follow strager. In regards to you, which I assume is what you really cared about, I will respond to your post again.

1. I already talked about this. It's a joke.
2. I already explained this. I think you are having a rust45 moment of crusading while confused.
3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.
4. See 3. Everyone who dies at night is relevant to who is what. Not wanting to talk about it is the telling part.
5. Maybe I'm just smarter than you. Strager seemed to have caught on.

Two wrote:

1. I already talked about this. It's a joke.

As NoHItter said, that's probably the best defense you can create in this game. I marvel at your excellence.

2. I already explained this. I think you are having a rust45 moment of crusading while confused.

Two wrote:

3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.

Okay. That in no way refutes what rust said. You based your support of Wojjan and I on meta knowledge.

Two wrote:

4. See 3. Everyone who dies at night is relevant to who is what. Not wanting to talk about it is the telling part.

Who would be more likely to mention a Mafia death during the night: the one who killed them, or someone else?

Two wrote:

5. Maybe I'm just smarter than you. Strager seemed to have caught on.

I find this insulting. Making a mistake does not make you less intelligent. Don't step down to that level, Two.

strager I'm honestly not even going to read your post

why don't you let one of your sheep take the reigns for once?

Totally like how I'm this meronmyon person yet SFG you even confirmed I was playing D:

GJ.

I can't be the only one who checked DeathxShinigami's flag after reading what he wrote.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

I don't know what you're talking about.

OP.

Two wrote:

I can't be the only one who checked DeathxShinigami's flag after reading what he wrote.

I know he's an Amerifag. And there are tons of people who make mistakes when speaking English, making themselves unintelligable. I'm a "victim" of that at times.

Unvote
@Two: As of now, you've answered some of my points and now I don't quite feel comfortable lynching you atm.

This reread isn't doing anything for me, I'll just think it over tomorrow after some sleep.

rust45
1) Votes 0_o - RVS
2) Unvotes 0_o
3A) Votes Nakata based on what Two said. ("on principle I'd rather lynch the inactive people, but for the love of god can we get rid of this guy")
3B) "whether or not it's scum, will help the town." comment
4) Unvotes Nakata since he's getting townie vibes from him
5) Votes for Two

I don't know if there are any other inconsistencies.

That's about right.
You're just taking everything anyone does out of context though. I don't see how that summary benefits town.

because of the nature of this game, context doesn't matter as much as the bottom line

I know all that endless babble in between is a bunch of weasel words but there's no timeline or anything. You only get one person's actions at a time which you basically can also read by chacking the posts. The actions need to braid together with other people's to get an actual idea of the day.

oh, vote: NoHItter

Two wrote:

3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.

by the way that worked out great last time didn't it?

Well, I tried to provide a sense of time by providing some time statements afterwards, but not on all.
Perhaps someone wants to make one with time posted as the main organization, and not poster. I can't atm.

@Wojjan
Would you care to explain why you voted for me while all I did was to try to post a summary (however useless you think it was?) and unvote?

ow

bleh I'll read through everything later and hopefully post something not useless.

Well shit, sorry about the inactivity but school has started and my brother is home for a couple weeks so I was kinda busy with that crap, I'll re read through everything and think it all over.

Posting. Also, I should note my outlook on the situation hasn't changed.

so how did lybydose even offer to replace him if they are never on

Well I read through everything and I nothing new really popped out at me. I really don't think Two is mafia as I believe all of his actions so far are justified (if not a little overconfident). I don't have any hard evidence against anyone else, but for some reason NoHItter's posts have been rubbing me the wrong way and I can't put my finger on exactly why. So for now I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote NoHItter.

this game is depressingly dead

can you prod deathxshinigami and diamondcrash please

0_o wrote:

Well I read through everything and I nothing new really popped out at me. I really don't think Two is mafia as I believe all of his actions so far are justified (if not a little overconfident). I don't have any hard evidence against anyone else, but for some reason NoHItter's posts have been rubbing me the wrong way and I can't put my finger on exactly why. So for now I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote NoHItter.

Relying on your gut?
It's Day 2. There should be some amount of proof right now.
You can go back to Day 1 and check the actions of everyone.

DiamondCrash has seemed the most suspicious overall to me, but I would rather we lynch Lybydose or deathxshinigami so we can still have some semblance of activity day 3.

Prodding me while not prodding lybydose. @_@ What a shame...

Unvote
After reading through, I have to say that my reasons for voting for Two were not very justified at all. I think I was finding him as arrogant and that was why I voted for him, but now I understand that being aggressive towards everyone is just the way he plays. And getting rid of inactives would be a better thing to do. However, I will wait till we see Lybydose's replacement before voting.

NoHItter wrote:

Relying on your gut?
It's Day 2. There should be some amount of proof right now.
You can go back to Day 1 and check the actions of everyone.

I already did go and read through everything. The focus of all the conversation was either on Two, Nataka or Mashley, the first whom I believe is innocent while the other two are dead. They were the three most active players (with the possible exception of strager, whom I have no reason at the moment to think is mafia) so there really isn't a lot of hard evidence to go on. So yes, for now my vote goes towards gut instinct.

DxS do you have any opinions at all about anyone? If you're gonna join you might as well contribute.

Hello everyone. I am Malachite and I come from the great beyond to play your sport.

I don't have the time to read now, but I hope to get some content to y'all tomorrow.

Oh great, some one shot player just joined, like that's totally better than Lybydose.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Oh great, some one shot player just joined, like that's totally better than Lybydose.

He's been about at useful as you so far.

Sizzle!

Two wrote:

DiamondCrash has seemed the most suspicious overall to me, but I would rather we lynch Lybydose or deathxshinigami so we can still have some semblance of activity day 3.

Can you explain why you find DiamondCrash suspicious?

@Wojjan
You still haven't answered my question.

It's mostly this post that gave it away.

just to remind you all, the day ends tomorrow

y

When I fix some things IRL I'll be able to do a re-read and get involved in this game again.

I've been trying to contact some players via IRC and it hasn't been working. Maybe I'll PM them on the forums.

n

I was just a silent replacement anyways.

n

I'd wait another day at least, might as well get another round of night actions in before calling it quits.

So y

y
I want to at least be able to see what will happen. But we need more people talking today.

y

I'm only not posting cause I've already said everything I have to say. D:

I'm working on a re-read of the game thread. Here's what I have so far:

(link) meronmyon is impatient to get the game started; aux/Mafia tell
(link) Oyashiro Beatrice not amused by RVS
(link) Nakata Yuji role fisher baiting
(link) matthewtck votes without bolding, even after SFG explicitly stated in the thread earlier; shows less care about the game thread; Mafia tell
(link) Nakata Yuji "want[s] the day to end"; aux/Mafia tell; hindsight: response to Two's comment about getting more information after Night (link)
(link) Nakata Yuji tries to reverse the effects of her actions; either the aux/Mafia tell was an accident and she's trying to show she's vanilla (more likely, given her little Mafia experience) or she's trying to cover up that she's an aux or Mafia (and if she was Mafia this possibility would be more likely)
(link) (and in a few of the following posts by Nakata) Nakata Yuji shows her inexperience at Mafia
(link) Faceman steps in, showing he's following the thread, bu
t makes no contributions to the discussion at all; aux/Mafia tell
(link) Nakata Yuji clear doesn't know the game... or assumes everyone else playing is a noob (which is highly unlikely)
(link) Faceman plans for the town; Town tell, given my knowledge of his meta; Faceman is the first to use the term "predator", which is odd (as not even SFG has used that word, until the vote count); Mafia tell
(link) Two misses the point of Faceman's argument, perhaps purposefully to discredit Faceman
(link) WIFOM setup?
(link) rust45 makes the naïve statement that lynching always helps the Town; Mafia or newb Town tell (and IIRC rust45 isn't a newb to Mafia)
(link) Oyashiro Beatrice shows detatchment from the game; Mafia tell
(link) Nakata Yuji's "game turning" post
(link) Two's reaction (an unvote), unexplained; in hindsight this is consistent with what Two said Day 2
(link) pieguy1372 expresses his reaction to Two's unvote (namely him thinking Nakata Yuji holds an important role); in hindsight this plays into Two's plan as well; perhaps Two and pieguy1372 were in communication in an attempt to set this up?; even still, pieguy1372 voted for Two, so I don't suspect buddying
(link) Two builds a case against Mashley, mostly based on Two's belief that Mashley emotionally influences readers of his posts; Mashley and Wojjan comment on this rediculous claim as well; something this weak for a relatively experienced player is a definite Mafia tell
(link) Wojjan also uses "predator"; possible Mafia tell
(link) Two's actions seem consistent with the plan he explained Day 2, in hindsight
(link) Nakata Yuji hints at the Splash ability of her role
(link) Two makes a *possible* Freudian slip, stating "when they posted their role"; this is slightly inconsistent with Two's Day 2 explanation in hindsight
(link) Oyashiro Beatrice jumps in without saying anything useful (again)
(link) >_>
(link) Nakata Yuji shows so much naïvity to how the game operates it kinda disturbs me...

I'll post conclusions after I'm done.

well I vote yes

I think the issue with inactivity is the actual content of the posts that people make, and not their frequency. We're getting a lot of "I'll re-read the thread and get back to you all kthx" posts, and you should all have a decent enough grasp of how the game has progressed to not even need to do that (though with the confusion you all seem to have it is a good idea). Posts like that widen the gap between posts with actual value and stifle discussion.

On the subject of the game, what is with DeathxShinigami's complete unwillingness to post anything at all? Did you join the game just to annoy us or something? And it's not surprising that DiamondCrash would vote no after I said he was the most suspicious.

And strager I disagree that detachment from the game is a "mafia tell". A lot of people are immature and don't like it when they get roles without much importance, and so they have little interest in the game.

Y
Come on guys we need activity here.

strager wrote:

(link) Faceman plans for the town; Town tell, given my knowledge of his meta; Faceman is the first to use the term "predator", which is odd (as not even SFG has used that word, until the vote count); Mafia tell
I'll post conclusions after I'm done.

Actually SFG used "predator" in the opening post. I doubt that it's a mafia tell per se.
Though now that you mention it, we never used predator to refer to scum before. Really odd why Faceman would use that term.

Yes, let's highlight the fact that predator was likely in his role pm. That's super smart and pro-town. (I didn't even notice strager pointing it out)

edit: since today is the last day? and everyone seems reluctant to vote on anything except the continuation of this game, I'm going to just unvote, vote: NoHItter

if it's between me and you dawg I'm going to pick me

In chronological order:

strager

Vote: Two

pieguy1372

Vote: Two

Wojjan

oh, vote: NoHItter

0_o

So for now I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote NoHItter.

Two

I'm going to just unvote, vote: NoHItter

DeathxShinigami

Vote: Two

So, we both had 2 votes before the final two posts, and I voted for NoHItter before DeathxShinigami voted for me. I shouldn't have been lynched, game is broken etc.

It would have been 5 town 2 mafia day 3, so it's a mafia win in my opinion. I don't want to see that bs Ace pulled when town clearly won that game

To illustrate: 10:3 -> 5:2 -> 0:1, 1 = won

Not much you can do now that I've flipped? Don't you mean that there's not much you can do now that you posted my role without double checking votes? See my "illustration" for why the mafia won thx.

Yes but now that is has ended, when you look at the standings, mafia are in the positive and town are in the negative. They've lost 5 to our 1. We win.

No, you don't understand. To win, the town has to eliminate all mafia before they are eliminated themselves. The town has not done their end, either. However, there is a side 'in the lead', and that's mafia. The only part you could argue is that an aux could have killed one of us overnight, and so I propose that we settle this by having whoever would have killed someone tonight take a stab at the last mafia member. If they guess right, town wins. If not, we win.

Well I guess this is as good of a time as any to claim cop and tell you DC is guilty.

DC's guilty what.

Nice try Wojjan, but that little gambit isn't gonna work. Unless you're some kind of Insane Cop, which I somehow doubt. Pray tell who else you investigated and why.

If no one else claims Cop we can assume Wojjan is one because I'd figure there is one, and one hasn't died yet. Anyway, just in case I would like to know who Wojjan checked if he really is Cop.

Good god pieguy! why out of all the avatars you choose you choose that one as your first avatar !_!

Anyways... just saying since Wojjan almost never has a civilian role, he/she must have cop. I'm not a cop btw.

No I'm not actually cop I was just testing for reactions.
Vote: DC

How odd, could Wojjan actually be civilian? Only time will tell. I'll hold my vote for another IRL day.

No I'm not a civvie, my role is an anemone. Whoever targets me at night gets automatic protection.

Ha, that says a lot, forget what I said earlier.

Vote: DC

Why are you voting for me again

gee whiz cause you're mafia?

Hey piegguy where the hell are you?

Whoa, did we figure something out? o_O

Also, I personally find it suspicious that you said DC was Mafia when the killer who's left is almost certainly a Serial Killer. o_o

well that's because I'm not cop. How could I know

Anyways~ if you're sure about yourself wojjan then vote again for DC.

I never unvoted.

And we wait even more so we can move on...