This exactly the aptitude we're trying to avoid. What's the point of choose any bg if it's going to be DQ'ed for irrelevant bg chose? The idea is those new mappers that don't know what to choose can know the bg should be related to the beatmap source /lyrics / anything context of the song. The idea is to avoid such as unnecessary DQs and allow mappers and modders realize the important fact to choose a proper BG for their maps.B1rd wrote:
Do we really need to control what mappers use as their backgrounds? There are enough rules already, this is just unnecessary. Let people choose what they want. Of course Loctav would DQ for something like that.
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dude don't make it a rule
judging the appropriateness of a background is subjective unless it's something outright dumb.
I agree that Background should be relevant but limiting people to relevant things only can be pretty dumb when the actual theme etc doesn't provide any relevant material that looks nice or something (I'm having that problem with a lot of instrumental music i mapped and apparently accidentally chose a Touhou-related BG because it was the best pick available)
Also what's considerable to be appropriate or inappropriate differs from person to person (hints at anime op maps with uhh irrelevant anime bgs such as xxdeathx's somewhat famous set because there was not any decent bg material available at the time and idk if there is any now)
Just to clarify it should be a guideline so it can be broken when providing reasoning that makes sense
judging the appropriateness of a background is subjective unless it's something outright dumb.
I agree that Background should be relevant but limiting people to relevant things only can be pretty dumb when the actual theme etc doesn't provide any relevant material that looks nice or something (I'm having that problem with a lot of instrumental music i mapped and apparently accidentally chose a Touhou-related BG because it was the best pick available)
Also what's considerable to be appropriate or inappropriate differs from person to person (hints at anime op maps with uhh irrelevant anime bgs such as xxdeathx's somewhat famous set because there was not any decent bg material available at the time and idk if there is any now)
Just to clarify it should be a guideline so it can be broken when providing reasoning that makes sense
SameBaraatje123 wrote:
I agree with this, I always disliked the illogical BGs
Yep.HappyRocket88 wrote:
This exactly the aptitude we're trying to avoid.B1rd wrote:
Do we really need to control what mappers use as their backgrounds? There are enough rules already, this is just unnecessary. Let people choose what they want. Of course Loctav would DQ for something like that.
The point is maps shouldn't be DQ because of their background. If it's not related to the song in some tangible way, so what? Why does it matter? Mappers should have more freedom and not have every part of their maps controlled by the BAT or QAT or whatever.HappyRocket88 wrote:
What's the point of choose any bg if it's going to be DQ'ed for irrelevant bg chose? The idea is those new mappers that don't know what to choose can know the bg should be related to the beatmap source /lyrics / anything context of the song. The idea is to avoid such as unnecessary DQs and allow mappers and modders realize the important fact to choose a proper BG for their maps.
It's not as clearcut in a lot of cases. What if the song is completely instrumental, with an ambiguous title? At that point it's up to interpretation and you can't really draw the line. This should be a guideline.
Topic Starter
Well, we really should define if it's a guideline or a rule :')
Well, HappyRocket talked about "contexts". I really understand the choice of this word since it kind of represents all of the characteristics; look at my last ranked beatmap. Well, it's an instrumental song; this sound is kind of melancholic and the background seems too; even though the song is talking about breaking, the context here is still present. (at least for me)deetz wrote:
It's not as clearcut in a lot of cases. What if the song is completely instrumental, with an ambiguous title? At that point it's up to interpretation and you can't really draw the line. This should be a guideline.
First, replace illogical with irrelevant. There is a difference.
Also, what about storyboarded maps that depend on their background? Ex: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/128645 or my magnolia map.
If this rule will be a thing, you should also add that a decent bg should be added for those idiots that disable sb.
Next: where is the line: tv-sizes use the anime they came from. Games songs the game they came from, but if it's from sfdx or whatever it's called, then find something what fits the style and overall style and feeling of the music. You can use pictures of the artist, album, ... Of course this isn't always 100% clear, and then the 2 (or 3) bn's that rank it should be able to judge them case by case (and ask help at qat's when it's impossible to find something relevant)
For the earlier example watercolour, you can even use a waterdrop if you want. It doesn't always have to be hard, right?
Also, what about storyboarded maps that depend on their background? Ex: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/128645 or my magnolia map.
If this rule will be a thing, you should also add that a decent bg should be added for those idiots that disable sb.
Next: where is the line: tv-sizes use the anime they came from. Games songs the game they came from, but if it's from sfdx or whatever it's called, then find something what fits the style and overall style and feeling of the music. You can use pictures of the artist, album, ... Of course this isn't always 100% clear, and then the 2 (or 3) bn's that rank it should be able to judge them case by case (and ask help at qat's when it's impossible to find something relevant)
For the earlier example watercolour, you can even use a waterdrop if you want. It doesn't always have to be hard, right?
Topic Starter
Well, for the Magnolia mapset, the background is somehow related to the storyboard. But I think we should not say that the background must be related to the song or something like that, but we should say that the background should not be totally out of context (like lolis on nightcore songs or lemur on japanese music).inspectorscout wrote:
First, replace illogical with irrelevant. There is a difference.
Also, what about storyboarded maps that depend on their background? Ex: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/128645 or my magnolia map.
If this rule will be a thing, you should also add that a decent bg should be added for those idiots that disable sb.
Next: where is the line: tv-sizes use the anime they came from. Games songs the game they came from, but if it's from sfdx or whatever it's called, then find something what fits the style and overall style and feeling of the music. You can use pictures of the artist, album, ... Of course this isn't always 100% clear, and then the 2 (or 3) bn's that rank it should be able to judge them case by case (and ask help at qat's when it's impossible to find something relevant)
For the earlier example watercolour, you can even use a waterdrop if you want. It doesn't always have to be hard, right?
Still need any clarifications on Guideline/Rule.
✓ Changed illogical to irrelevant.
✓ Tried to make a new rule -to wait until if what I said is a good idea-
EDIT: Well, I'm thinking also about abstract background, I think they should be excluded of the rule, since it's... abstract?
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
Something this subjective should never be a rule 
. Ranking Criteria rules are meant to be objective and not available to differing interpretations. If multiple interpretations are possible then the rule cannot be reliably enforced.
. Ranking Criteria rules are meant to be objective and not available to differing interpretations. If multiple interpretations are possible then the rule cannot be reliably enforced.
Topic Starter
Well, that's what I'm currently thinking of, since disqualify can happen with a wrong BG, this should be taken more seriously than "oh, it should just be a guideline, that's not bad at all if the background can be out of context".monstrata wrote:
Something this subjective should never be a rule
I'm currently talking with inspectorscout on IRC about that, and we're trying to find a way to make it more like logical; we're currently thinking of the ranking process: well, BNs can check if the background is relevant during the ranking process right? Since there's at least two BNs who check the beatmap before the ranking status, they can already check background's relevance and judge by themselves its utilisation, and by being at least two, if the first one is wrong, the second one can still correct that.
If you want to talk about it, send me an IRC message
EDIT: If there's any doubts about the background, they can still ask to the QATs.
EDIT2: Moved to Guideline
Topic Starter
Okay, we talked about the guideline with monstrata and inspectorscout and I've updated it; check out the original post and let's discuss about it~
You guys are and always were aware that everything should fit the theme. Every imagery, should fit the theme at least at some degree. Do you really need rule for everything? Use your brain, RC is here just to clarify things that are not 100% obvious. If you think about: "Let's add some handsome guy here, because he's cute." instead of: "Let's find something that makes sense with the song.", then provide a logical argument for why'd that have higher priority. (other maps is not argument) - If you cannot provide argument on what you've done and why is it used, then don't use it. If something cannot be protected by any argument, it logically doesn't need to be forbidden by Ranking Criteria. Every single one of you can think logically and can realize that insensible makes less sense than sensible and therefore insensible should be omitted.
Apart from that checking genius never harms to get inspired for background pick. Not talking exactly about CV's map, but it doesn't make sense to make this a rule. That's like using rule: "Don't take GDs from ranked mapsets." - Everyone can realize you'd steal other's map + we don't need two identical maps. Everyone can use their brain to eliminate insensible things like these. No rule is needed.
Apart from that checking genius never harms to get inspired for background pick. Not talking exactly about CV's map, but it doesn't make sense to make this a rule. That's like using rule: "Don't take GDs from ranked mapsets." - Everyone can realize you'd steal other's map + we don't need two identical maps. Everyone can use their brain to eliminate insensible things like these. No rule is needed.
Topic Starter
Well, for stealing other diffs, it's forbidden, we've seen this everywhere, and most of the nuked beatmaps are because of this. People are aware of this; the fact that doesn't do this or put a random background is only logic (I'm not saying that they're not logic, there can be something behind this). This kind of DQ were never seen in osu! before, that's why we should warn people. Overall, if a DQ would have been done on some Lemur's mapset without any reasons, or clarifications about it (to be honest, we never heard about that, even though I found illogical to put a random background, I said nothing, cuz IT WAS NOT FORBIDDEN) there would have been so much shittalk and drama about it. Let's avoid that, can we? The best way to make people not making drama about it is to officialize the rule. If this rule wouldn't have been officialized, there wouldn't be any reasons to DQ CV's mapset. And for the "stealing diffs on other mapset", it is officialized.Wafu wrote:
You guys are and always were aware that everything should fit the theme. Every imagery, should fit the theme at least at some degree. Do you really need rule for everything? Use your brain, RC is here just to clarify things that are not 100% obvious. If you think about: "Let's add some handsome guy here, because he's cute." instead of: "Let's find something that makes sense with the song.", then provide a logical argument for why'd that have higher priority. (other maps is not argument) - If you cannot provide argument on what you've done and why is it used, then don't use it. If something cannot be protected by any argument, it logically doesn't need to be forbidden by Ranking Criteria. Every single one of you can think logically and can realize that insensible makes less sense than sensible and therefore insensible should be omitted.
Apart from that checking genius never harms to get inspired for background pick. Not talking exactly about CV's map, but it doesn't make sense to make this a rule. That's like using rule: "Don't take GDs from ranked mapsets." - Everyone can realize you'd steal other's map + we don't need two identical maps. Everyone can use their brain to eliminate insensible things like these. No rule is needed.
Afaik only this is mentioned, that would mean if you ask mapper whether you can take GD from his ranked mapset, then it would be rankable, but logically, it isn't.Zerss wrote:
Well, for stealing other diffs, it's forbidden, we've seen this everywhere, and most of the nuked beatmaps are because of this. People are aware of this; the fact that doesn't do this or put a random background is only logic (I'm not saying that they're not logic, there can be something behind this). This kind of DQ were never seen in osu! before, that's why we should warn people. Overall, if a DQ would have been done on some Lemur's mapset without any reasons, or clarifications about it (to be honest, we never heard about that, even though I found illogical to put a random background, I said nothing, cuz IT WAS NOT FORBIDDEN) there would have been so much shittalk and drama about it. Let's avoid that, can we? The best way to make people not making drama about it is to officialize the rule. If this rule wouldn't have been officialized, there wouldn't be any reasons to DQ CV's mapset. And for the "stealing diffs on other mapset", it is officialized.
But what's the point. Adding a rule won't avoid drama. If you don't know how does modding system work now, then first we DQ and then we discuss till conclusion is done - we may raise simply anything. If mapper cannot provide an argument that would allow him to keep the issue, then he must change it. There must be reason behind everything and beatmaps can be disqualified for many things that are not mentioned in ranking criteria. We could make rule for every issue that was disqualified, which wouldn't even avoid drama, because it would be full of text. Every single issue could be listed here, which would make it infinite list of criteria which nobody would read after all.Ranking Criteria wrote:
If you are using any elements created by another community member, ask permission beforehand. Respecting the work of others is paramount and most people will be delighted to have their work featured in your projects!
Realize what is Qualified section and DQs about. It's not punishment, it's enhancing the map. People are too much concerned about DQ - scores will be wiped anyway and map won't be harmed at all, just the mapper will be forced to express himself or fix issues.
IT WAS NOT FORBIDDENThat's simply referring to older maps. We ensure quality, if map with issues passed to ranked section, we can't do anything about it. But as long as it's qualified, anyone is allowed to raise his opinion and start discussion and that's reason why things that can mean quality lack can be disqualified and not only things from Ranking Criteria. As I stated already, most of things in RC are here, because they cannot always be realized by simple logic. We don't need another rule for things that are easy to realize.
Okay wafu, you are right that it should be logic. In a map's thread (sorry CV for taking you as an example again) this was posted:
Then tell me how much common sense some people have. This is why we want this guideline.
[Taiga] wrote:
The bg should at least make sense, and that is the deciding factor, NOT loctav's personal taste.Then at least 30%+ of actualy ranked maps need to be DQ with this reason.
Things what i found in Ranking Criteria about background:Copy and Paste from RC- There must not be any obscene imagery in the background/storyboard/video content. This includes nudity, near-nudity, sexual references, violence, drug abuse, etc. Keep things PG, suitable for ages 12+.
- A beatmap set may not contain multiple background video files. Multiple videos within a single beatmap set is not supported by osz2 and will result in errors during upload and processing.
- Background images must be at a maximum of 1024x768 pixels for 4:3, 1366x768 pixels for 16:9. Although 1366x768 (16:9) is recommended, most background ratios that are 4:3 or 16:9 should also work reasonably well (for example, 800x600 or 852x480). Using an image with a different ratio is fine, but will result in letterboxing (black bars at the top/bottom of the screen) or upscaling (resized image to fill the whole screen).
- Keep background imagery safe. Images should be on a level that can be displayed on all-audience TV, on public signage, and of nature that doesn't require censoring in any country. If you have any possible edge-case scenarios, please PM peppy on IRC with a link to the image in question; a list of images which are/aren't acceptable will be built up to set some visible guidelines.
- You must have a background image on every difficulty of your map. If your map has a storyboard, then you can easily fade the background out, but one is still required for the song selection menu, online thumbnail icon, and for players not downloading with video (if the map has one).
- There must not be any unnecessary transparency around storyboarded images, so crop and resize them as much as possible. If there are particular reasons for apparently useless transparency, then please explain them. For transparent sprites, there should be at least one pixel of transparent border around them so that interpolation (e.g. a black-bordered image on a black background) works properly (although a shadow or glow around the image will fix this problem as well).
Does irrevelant background breaks any rule in Ranking Criteria? If yes, please point out this rule, maybe i missed it.
If no - please explain under what kind of writen rule about what mapper was aware his map was dq. I just want to be sure, it's not another "bad mood thing" (as community member, and i think others also deserve this answer due case being pretty much weird).
Then tell me how much common sense some people have. This is why we want this guideline.
well yeah that's what I meant, it's subjective so you can't clearly define those cases. though, you've changed it to guideline already so this is irrelevant. just clarifying what I meant :pZerss wrote:
Well, HappyRocket talked about "contexts". I really understand the choice of this word since it kind of represents all of the characteristics; look at my last ranked beatmap. Well, it's an instrumental song; this sound is kind of melancholic and the background seems too; even though the song is talking about breaking, the context here is still present. (at least for me)
But sometime a song not need used like anime BG or artist BG or band BG or movie BG!
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/328639 <--- that map is nightstep version but i used that BG for original version
Example:
Lindsey Stirling - Shatter Me (feat. Lzzy Hale)
We can taken a broken crystal BG because in that video have a scene broken glass from (what is that toys)
note: why not used a random BG if we can't find a better BG?
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/328639 <--- that map is nightstep version but i used that BG for original version
Example:
Lindsey Stirling - Shatter Me (feat. Lzzy Hale)
We can taken a broken crystal BG because in that video have a scene broken glass from (what is that toys)
note: why not used a random BG if we can't find a better BG?
Topic Starter
"Abstract background can be used", for me, it's abstract.KittyAdventure wrote:
But sometime a song not need used like anime BG or artist BG or band BG or movie BG!
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/328639 <--- that map is nightstep version but i used that BG for original version
Example:
Lindsey Stirling - Shatter Me (feat. Lzzy Hale)
We can taken a broken crystal because in that video have a scene broken glass from (what is that toys)
note: why not used a random BG if we can't find a better BG?
Deal for it :3
Think logical and you'll avoid this in the future. This is probably the first time ever something gets disqualified because of this reason, because this never has been so wrongly used like here. As much people feels different to various music genres and tracks, people have different emotions and thoughts between song choice x background.
Don't put Justin Bieber as background when the mapped song comes from Taylor Swift. That isn't hard to understand and makes it less complicated for all. Obviously guidelines may apply when it's needed but like said that's a very very rare case.
Don't put Justin Bieber as background when the mapped song comes from Taylor Swift. That isn't hard to understand and makes it less complicated for all. Obviously guidelines may apply when it's needed but like said that's a very very rare case.
well those things are really objective.
take another example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/282345
none of those backgrounds are from the source anime, but some people still think they are relevant because they are still "Japanese anime things".
but why didn't he just use the bg from that anime? well, this line is written in the description:
OR, the original artwork is...not that good-looking so the creator don't want to use them.
and let's talk about BG drawings... https://osu.ppy.sh/s/293116 and https://osu.ppy.sh/s/220844
if a "only a little bit relevant but low quality bg" is acceptable, then why an "almost not relevant but high quality bg" is not good and should be changed?
also if you think those two drawing bg are good, then you should understand that "relevant" and "quality" are both OBJECTIVE.
tl;dr maybe you can add that line into guideline but you shouldn't limit the bg usage or even make that as a reason for DQ, because they are objective.
take another example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/282345
none of those backgrounds are from the source anime, but some people still think they are relevant because they are still "Japanese anime things".
but why didn't he just use the bg from that anime? well, this line is written in the description:
you can't promise that all of those relevant bg are in high quality - which means sometimes other backgrounds are our better choice.xxdeathx wrote:
Using moe backgrounds because there is no relevant BG for this anime that isn't shitty
OR, the original artwork is...not that good-looking so the creator don't want to use them.
and let's talk about BG drawings... https://osu.ppy.sh/s/293116 and https://osu.ppy.sh/s/220844
if a "only a little bit relevant but low quality bg" is acceptable, then why an "almost not relevant but high quality bg" is not good and should be changed?
also if you think those two drawing bg are good, then you should understand that "relevant" and "quality" are both OBJECTIVE.
tl;dr maybe you can add that line into guideline but you shouldn't limit the bg usage or even make that as a reason for DQ, because they are objective.
You guys are being pretty silly. Irrelevant backgrounds are just subjective quality issues, like poor spacing usage or bad hitsounding. We don't need rules or guidelines to tell us when something isn't high quality. 99% of the time a bg will be relevant in some way or other, a guideline would almost never need to be enforced. Just don't bubble maps that use lemurs or Korean idols for no reason.
That simply requires a disqualification asap, the description above is not valid and just vague. Don't let it comes too far and stop being doing crap with backgrounds.Nerova Riuz GX wrote:
well those things are really objective.
take another example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/282345
none of those backgrounds are from the source anime, but some people still think they are relevant because they are still "Japanese anime things".
but why didn't he just use the bg from that anime? well, this line is written in the description:xxdeathx wrote:
Using moe backgrounds because there is no relevant BG for this anime that isn't shitty
We don't need rules even if people keep using dumb BGs "just because there is another ranked map with the same features"... wowUndeadCapulet wrote:
We don't need rules or guidelines to tell us when something isn't high quality. 99% of the time a bg will be relevant in some way or other, a guideline would almost never need to be enforced.
If mappers aren't smart enough to get what "common sense" is, then I guess someone needs to help them <.<
It's good to have faith in people, but it is even better to have none at all -cit.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368985 ? what is this... there was one more ranked ( if it's still ranked, don't remember the name) with almost same bg ( no hat and hair ), that's what i call complete nonsense bg...
Uhm, not every anime may have high quality image for background ( haven't really tried searching examples like that but i'm pretty sure in some rare cases that can happen )
Uhm, not every anime may have high quality image for background ( haven't really tried searching examples like that but i'm pretty sure in some rare cases that can happen )
uhh.. i personally dont violate this rule myself but.. please no, this would be way too vague. its almost like the nsfw rule..
I'd say the best course of action would probably be to make a rule saying that the mapper should attempt to give a suitable background for the map, perhaps with some guidelines of how to determine if a background fits the song.
I'll be honest, some backgrounds in this game makes it look almost unprofessional, and I think that should be stopped.
Not sure what more to say, I don't think this needs to be enforced too strictly, but when a map has much better options for backgrounds, I think it kind of warrants for a DQ.
I'll be honest, some backgrounds in this game makes it look almost unprofessional, and I think that should be stopped.
Not sure what more to say, I don't think this needs to be enforced too strictly, but when a map has much better options for backgrounds, I think it kind of warrants for a DQ.
Shohei Ohtani
I think this needs to be brought up again
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326748
SUMMARY OF THE ISSUE: So the mapper has a storyboard with 2 anime girls, and lyrics. The storyboard is really simple, and just zooms in on one and scrolls during the kiai. Simple stuff.
Until QAT comes in and is like "irrelevant SB pls remove"
A few things about this
1) If we're going to enforce this, shouldn't we make it a rule already instead of just having it be a hypothetical kind of thing?
2) Is the storyboard really irrelevant? In the context of a song that doesn't come from a specific source material, there's a little bit of free reign into BG usage, especially with storyboards.
I don't want to go off too much since I haven't had time to read through the entire thread, and therefore have no correct idea about where the discussion is atm, but what I will say is that this NEEDS to be something that either becomes finalized or denied, so we avoid these random pops / DQs over things that aren't even rankability issues yet.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326748
SUMMARY OF THE ISSUE: So the mapper has a storyboard with 2 anime girls, and lyrics. The storyboard is really simple, and just zooms in on one and scrolls during the kiai. Simple stuff.
Until QAT comes in and is like "irrelevant SB pls remove"
A few things about this
1) If we're going to enforce this, shouldn't we make it a rule already instead of just having it be a hypothetical kind of thing?
2) Is the storyboard really irrelevant? In the context of a song that doesn't come from a specific source material, there's a little bit of free reign into BG usage, especially with storyboards.
I don't want to go off too much since I haven't had time to read through the entire thread, and therefore have no correct idea about where the discussion is atm, but what I will say is that this NEEDS to be something that either becomes finalized or denied, so we avoid these random pops / DQs over things that aren't even rankability issues yet.
I personally think all disqualifications we had over irrelevant backgrounds were actually irrelevant. I've always had the opinion that colors of a background for example are much more important to fit the atmosphere of the song than the actual content of the image. That's why I often choose seemingly meaningless city skylines or macros for songs.
If a piece of imagery, in which you can generally interprete so much, fits a song or not should be completely up to the mapper.
Then there seem to be some people who simply can't stand backgrounds with a specific drawing style (anime) for songs that have nothing to do with Japanese culture. These people really need to calm down a little bit and think about it one more time. It's just a drawing style.
So yeah, I'm against any kind of guideline or rule here.
If a piece of imagery, in which you can generally interprete so much, fits a song or not should be completely up to the mapper.
Then there seem to be some people who simply can't stand backgrounds with a specific drawing style (anime) for songs that have nothing to do with Japanese culture. These people really need to calm down a little bit and think about it one more time. It's just a drawing style.
So yeah, I'm against any kind of guideline or rule here.
Shohei Ohtani
P R O G R E S SDeif wrote:
Take a look at this thread: t/420229
There's no need to push this one forward, since the all the rules and guidelines and possible new amendments are already being discussed. Just wait until everything's done!
most ppl play with full background dim anyways so wats the point tbh edit: kappa.
Shohei Ohtani
kibbleru are you clinically retarded like you could say that for literally background thing
Suddenly this is rankable because lmao everyone's just gonna turn off the SB anyway lmao
like aaaaaaaa
also
Suddenly this is rankable because lmao everyone's just gonna turn off the SB anyway lmao
like aaaaaaaa
also
Reditum wrote:
P R O G R E S SDeif wrote:
Take a look at this thread: t/420229
There's no need to push this one forward, since the all the rules and guidelines and possible new amendments are already being discussed. Just wait until everything's done!
hahahahahahaha
woah flamingReditum wrote:
kibbleru are you clinically retarded like you could say that for literally background thing
Suddenly this is rankable because lmao everyone's just gonna turn off the SB anyway lmao
like aaaaaaaa
i meant that as a joke a bit but uh. im trying to say it doesn't really matter to much as long as the bg isnt like explicitly retarded
The criteria friends/council/facilitators discussed this for a bit and came to the following wording for this proposed guideline:
The background of your mapset should be somehow related to the origin, theme or content of the song. Abstract backgrounds may be used if no relevant backgrounds are available. If uncertain, using official track art (where available) is always an accepted option unless the art itself is considered inappropriate for all ages.Please discuss!
I'm very fine with this being a guideline, it would disallow outright dumb stuff while still allowing "dumb" stuff if logical reasoning is applicable to explain it
I completely agree, except for the 'somehow related'. I'm pretty sure people will push the borders of the 'somehow'. I'd rather use 'closely related' since it makes the pool of possible bg's smaller.
Extremely extreme not going to happen example:" in the song they sing 'your wooden heart' so I can use furniture as bg, 'cause it's somehow related."
That example is not going to happen but I can imagine a few peoplelike to push to extremes, that's all.
Extremely extreme not going to happen example:" in the song they sing 'your wooden heart' so I can use furniture as bg, 'cause it's somehow related."
That example is not going to happen but I can imagine a few peoplelike to push to extremes, that's all.
I agree, the last unrelated BG that I found in a mapset was some random anime girls in a video game mapset, and the mapper reply me that is related because is ¨MOE¨. I think we need to be more strict with beatmaps BG.Zaphkael wrote:
I completely agree, except for the 'somehow related'. I'm pretty sure people will push the borders of the 'somehow'. I'd rather use 'closely related' since it makes the pool of possible bg's smaller.
Extremely extreme not going to happen example:" in the song they sing 'your wooden heart' so I can use furniture as bg, 'cause it's somehow related."
That example is not going to happen but I can imagine a few peoplelike to push to extremes, that's all.
Backgrounds are backgrounds. Maybe they should have always been related to the song, of course, if possible, but osu is a game itself and I thought it was supposed to be a game for anime loli lovers, so automatically it would be okay to use anime background everywhere, just saying. Yeah, maybe it is kind of weird to see "Happy" by Pharrel Williams with Hatsune Miku BG but still it's Japanese-themed game so it should be okay, seriously. And as long as stuff shown in the pictures is not NSFW (what I mean is +18 porn stuff, bloody gore or anti-religious themes and so on), everything should be allowed in my opinion.
100 % ofcShiguri wrote:
90% of the players are just gonna dim the bg anyways
you counts pentagrams as anti-religious?Krfawy wrote:
Backgrounds are backgrounds. Maybe they should have always been related to the song, of course, if possible, but osu is a game itself and I thought it was supposed to be a game for anime loli lovers, so automatically it would be okay to use anime background everywhere, just saying. Yeah, maybe it is kind of weird to see "Happy" by Pharrel Williams with Hatsune Miku BG but still it's Japanese-themed game so it should be okay, seriously. And as long as stuff shown in the pictures is not NSFW (what I mean is +18 porn stuff, bloody gore or anti-religious themes and so on), everything should be allowed in my opinion.
That wording is ambiguous as fk and doesn't sound like it'd make things any different from how they currently areEphemeral wrote:
The criteria friends/council/facilitators discussed this for a bit and came to the following wording for this proposed guideline:The background of your mapset should be somehow related to the origin, theme or content of the song. Abstract backgrounds may be used if no relevant backgrounds are available. If uncertain, using official track art (where available) is always an accepted option unless the art itself is considered inappropriate for all ages.Please discuss!
It is supposed to be rather lenient. We don't want to limit people's imaginations - We only want to avoid unrelated meme-backgrounds and a few other examples that bother us. That's why the guideline was worded in a way that still allows the majority of backgrounds.xxdeathx wrote:
That wording is ambiguous as fk and doesn't sound like it'd make things any different from how they currently are
How strict would it be with regards to these if they were qualified today
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/232451
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368985
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/320118
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/232451
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368985
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/320118
Those are probably part of the main reasons this guideline was brought up.
Generally, I'm fine with the guideline itself, since it just states that "common sense" should be applied by modders when the mapper himself doesn't have such quality. I'm more surprised we need such a guideline to begin with tbh... =w="
Generally, I'm fine with the guideline itself, since it just states that "common sense" should be applied by modders when the mapper himself doesn't have such quality. I'm more surprised we need such a guideline to begin with tbh... =w="
But they fit the songs just fine.xxdeathx wrote:
How strict would it be with regards to these if they were qualified today
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/232451
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368985
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/320118
I think BG for those which have their own source we need to be more careful. this does not mean that we have to use the BG from that game/anime, but if the BG is not about that source, at least we have to look at the theme of the song and see if that BG from other source make no sense at all.
It is mapper's fault to take risk about BG, if actually there is a huge discussion about BG at Disqus, then we might need to check is mapper misunderstanding the lyric of the song.
tbh, some BG from other sources work fine. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/125644
^this is a good example of using other BG, everyone probably could tell this BG just fit in this song well. I think we need judge this case by case.
but it is always mapper's fault to force to use a Moe BG (not for love) on a eroge op that is talking about "I love you so much."
It is mapper's fault to take risk about BG, if actually there is a huge discussion about BG at Disqus, then we might need to check is mapper misunderstanding the lyric of the song.
tbh, some BG from other sources work fine. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/125644
^this is a good example of using other BG, everyone probably could tell this BG just fit in this song well. I think we need judge this case by case.
but it is always mapper's fault to force to use a Moe BG (not for love) on a eroge op that is talking about "I love you so much."
With the change of how the Ranking Criteria Subforum works from now on, topics like these are obsolete. I will send a PM to the author of the topic that encourages him to bring it up to one of the council members.