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Think logical and you'll avoid this in the future. This is probably the first time ever something gets disqualified because of this reason, because this never has been so wrongly used like here. As much people feels different to various music genres and tracks, people have different emotions and thoughts between song choice x background.
Don't put Justin Bieber as background when the mapped song comes from Taylor Swift. That isn't hard to understand and makes it less complicated for all. Obviously guidelines may apply when it's needed but like said that's a very very rare case.
Don't put Justin Bieber as background when the mapped song comes from Taylor Swift. That isn't hard to understand and makes it less complicated for all. Obviously guidelines may apply when it's needed but like said that's a very very rare case.
well those things are really objective.
take another example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/282345
none of those backgrounds are from the source anime, but some people still think they are relevant because they are still "Japanese anime things".
but why didn't he just use the bg from that anime? well, this line is written in the description:
OR, the original artwork is...not that good-looking so the creator don't want to use them.
and let's talk about BG drawings... https://osu.ppy.sh/s/293116 and https://osu.ppy.sh/s/220844
if a "only a little bit relevant but low quality bg" is acceptable, then why an "almost not relevant but high quality bg" is not good and should be changed?
also if you think those two drawing bg are good, then you should understand that "relevant" and "quality" are both OBJECTIVE.
tl;dr maybe you can add that line into guideline but you shouldn't limit the bg usage or even make that as a reason for DQ, because they are objective.
take another example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/282345
none of those backgrounds are from the source anime, but some people still think they are relevant because they are still "Japanese anime things".
but why didn't he just use the bg from that anime? well, this line is written in the description:
you can't promise that all of those relevant bg are in high quality - which means sometimes other backgrounds are our better choice.xxdeathx wrote:
Using moe backgrounds because there is no relevant BG for this anime that isn't shitty
OR, the original artwork is...not that good-looking so the creator don't want to use them.
and let's talk about BG drawings... https://osu.ppy.sh/s/293116 and https://osu.ppy.sh/s/220844
if a "only a little bit relevant but low quality bg" is acceptable, then why an "almost not relevant but high quality bg" is not good and should be changed?
also if you think those two drawing bg are good, then you should understand that "relevant" and "quality" are both OBJECTIVE.
tl;dr maybe you can add that line into guideline but you shouldn't limit the bg usage or even make that as a reason for DQ, because they are objective.
You guys are being pretty silly. Irrelevant backgrounds are just subjective quality issues, like poor spacing usage or bad hitsounding. We don't need rules or guidelines to tell us when something isn't high quality. 99% of the time a bg will be relevant in some way or other, a guideline would almost never need to be enforced. Just don't bubble maps that use lemurs or Korean idols for no reason.
That simply requires a disqualification asap, the description above is not valid and just vague. Don't let it comes too far and stop being doing crap with backgrounds.Nerova Riuz GX wrote:
well those things are really objective.
take another example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/282345
none of those backgrounds are from the source anime, but some people still think they are relevant because they are still "Japanese anime things".
but why didn't he just use the bg from that anime? well, this line is written in the description:xxdeathx wrote:
Using moe backgrounds because there is no relevant BG for this anime that isn't shitty
We don't need rules even if people keep using dumb BGs "just because there is another ranked map with the same features"... wowUndeadCapulet wrote:
We don't need rules or guidelines to tell us when something isn't high quality. 99% of the time a bg will be relevant in some way or other, a guideline would almost never need to be enforced.
If mappers aren't smart enough to get what "common sense" is, then I guess someone needs to help them <.<
It's good to have faith in people, but it is even better to have none at all -cit.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368985 ? what is this... there was one more ranked ( if it's still ranked, don't remember the name) with almost same bg ( no hat and hair ), that's what i call complete nonsense bg...
Uhm, not every anime may have high quality image for background ( haven't really tried searching examples like that but i'm pretty sure in some rare cases that can happen )
Uhm, not every anime may have high quality image for background ( haven't really tried searching examples like that but i'm pretty sure in some rare cases that can happen )
uhh.. i personally dont violate this rule myself but.. please no, this would be way too vague. its almost like the nsfw rule..
I'd say the best course of action would probably be to make a rule saying that the mapper should attempt to give a suitable background for the map, perhaps with some guidelines of how to determine if a background fits the song.
I'll be honest, some backgrounds in this game makes it look almost unprofessional, and I think that should be stopped.
Not sure what more to say, I don't think this needs to be enforced too strictly, but when a map has much better options for backgrounds, I think it kind of warrants for a DQ.
I'll be honest, some backgrounds in this game makes it look almost unprofessional, and I think that should be stopped.
Not sure what more to say, I don't think this needs to be enforced too strictly, but when a map has much better options for backgrounds, I think it kind of warrants for a DQ.
Shohei Ohtani
I think this needs to be brought up again
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326748
SUMMARY OF THE ISSUE: So the mapper has a storyboard with 2 anime girls, and lyrics. The storyboard is really simple, and just zooms in on one and scrolls during the kiai. Simple stuff.
Until QAT comes in and is like "irrelevant SB pls remove"
A few things about this
1) If we're going to enforce this, shouldn't we make it a rule already instead of just having it be a hypothetical kind of thing?
2) Is the storyboard really irrelevant? In the context of a song that doesn't come from a specific source material, there's a little bit of free reign into BG usage, especially with storyboards.
I don't want to go off too much since I haven't had time to read through the entire thread, and therefore have no correct idea about where the discussion is atm, but what I will say is that this NEEDS to be something that either becomes finalized or denied, so we avoid these random pops / DQs over things that aren't even rankability issues yet.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326748
SUMMARY OF THE ISSUE: So the mapper has a storyboard with 2 anime girls, and lyrics. The storyboard is really simple, and just zooms in on one and scrolls during the kiai. Simple stuff.
Until QAT comes in and is like "irrelevant SB pls remove"
A few things about this
1) If we're going to enforce this, shouldn't we make it a rule already instead of just having it be a hypothetical kind of thing?
2) Is the storyboard really irrelevant? In the context of a song that doesn't come from a specific source material, there's a little bit of free reign into BG usage, especially with storyboards.
I don't want to go off too much since I haven't had time to read through the entire thread, and therefore have no correct idea about where the discussion is atm, but what I will say is that this NEEDS to be something that either becomes finalized or denied, so we avoid these random pops / DQs over things that aren't even rankability issues yet.
I personally think all disqualifications we had over irrelevant backgrounds were actually irrelevant. I've always had the opinion that colors of a background for example are much more important to fit the atmosphere of the song than the actual content of the image. That's why I often choose seemingly meaningless city skylines or macros for songs.
If a piece of imagery, in which you can generally interprete so much, fits a song or not should be completely up to the mapper.
Then there seem to be some people who simply can't stand backgrounds with a specific drawing style (anime) for songs that have nothing to do with Japanese culture. These people really need to calm down a little bit and think about it one more time. It's just a drawing style.
So yeah, I'm against any kind of guideline or rule here.
If a piece of imagery, in which you can generally interprete so much, fits a song or not should be completely up to the mapper.
Then there seem to be some people who simply can't stand backgrounds with a specific drawing style (anime) for songs that have nothing to do with Japanese culture. These people really need to calm down a little bit and think about it one more time. It's just a drawing style.
So yeah, I'm against any kind of guideline or rule here.
Shohei Ohtani
P R O G R E S SDeif wrote:
Take a look at this thread: t/420229
There's no need to push this one forward, since the all the rules and guidelines and possible new amendments are already being discussed. Just wait until everything's done!
most ppl play with full background dim anyways so wats the point tbh edit: kappa.
Shohei Ohtani
kibbleru are you clinically retarded like you could say that for literally background thing
Suddenly this is rankable because lmao everyone's just gonna turn off the SB anyway lmao
like aaaaaaaa
also
Suddenly this is rankable because lmao everyone's just gonna turn off the SB anyway lmao
like aaaaaaaa
also
Reditum wrote:
P R O G R E S SDeif wrote:
Take a look at this thread: t/420229
There's no need to push this one forward, since the all the rules and guidelines and possible new amendments are already being discussed. Just wait until everything's done!
hahahahahahaha
woah flamingReditum wrote:
kibbleru are you clinically retarded like you could say that for literally background thing
Suddenly this is rankable because lmao everyone's just gonna turn off the SB anyway lmao
like aaaaaaaa
i meant that as a joke a bit but uh. im trying to say it doesn't really matter to much as long as the bg isnt like explicitly retarded
The criteria friends/council/facilitators discussed this for a bit and came to the following wording for this proposed guideline:
The background of your mapset should be somehow related to the origin, theme or content of the song. Abstract backgrounds may be used if no relevant backgrounds are available. If uncertain, using official track art (where available) is always an accepted option unless the art itself is considered inappropriate for all ages.Please discuss!
I'm very fine with this being a guideline, it would disallow outright dumb stuff while still allowing "dumb" stuff if logical reasoning is applicable to explain it
I completely agree, except for the 'somehow related'. I'm pretty sure people will push the borders of the 'somehow'. I'd rather use 'closely related' since it makes the pool of possible bg's smaller.
Extremely extreme not going to happen example:" in the song they sing 'your wooden heart' so I can use furniture as bg, 'cause it's somehow related."
That example is not going to happen but I can imagine a few peoplelike to push to extremes, that's all.
Extremely extreme not going to happen example:" in the song they sing 'your wooden heart' so I can use furniture as bg, 'cause it's somehow related."
That example is not going to happen but I can imagine a few peoplelike to push to extremes, that's all.
I agree, the last unrelated BG that I found in a mapset was some random anime girls in a video game mapset, and the mapper reply me that is related because is ¨MOE¨. I think we need to be more strict with beatmaps BG.Zaphkael wrote:
I completely agree, except for the 'somehow related'. I'm pretty sure people will push the borders of the 'somehow'. I'd rather use 'closely related' since it makes the pool of possible bg's smaller.
Extremely extreme not going to happen example:" in the song they sing 'your wooden heart' so I can use furniture as bg, 'cause it's somehow related."
That example is not going to happen but I can imagine a few peoplelike to push to extremes, that's all.
Backgrounds are backgrounds. Maybe they should have always been related to the song, of course, if possible, but osu is a game itself and I thought it was supposed to be a game for anime loli lovers, so automatically it would be okay to use anime background everywhere, just saying. Yeah, maybe it is kind of weird to see "Happy" by Pharrel Williams with Hatsune Miku BG but still it's Japanese-themed game so it should be okay, seriously. And as long as stuff shown in the pictures is not NSFW (what I mean is +18 porn stuff, bloody gore or anti-religious themes and so on), everything should be allowed in my opinion.
100 % ofcShiguri wrote:
90% of the players are just gonna dim the bg anyways
you counts pentagrams as anti-religious?Krfawy wrote:
Backgrounds are backgrounds. Maybe they should have always been related to the song, of course, if possible, but osu is a game itself and I thought it was supposed to be a game for anime loli lovers, so automatically it would be okay to use anime background everywhere, just saying. Yeah, maybe it is kind of weird to see "Happy" by Pharrel Williams with Hatsune Miku BG but still it's Japanese-themed game so it should be okay, seriously. And as long as stuff shown in the pictures is not NSFW (what I mean is +18 porn stuff, bloody gore or anti-religious themes and so on), everything should be allowed in my opinion.
That wording is ambiguous as fk and doesn't sound like it'd make things any different from how they currently areEphemeral wrote:
The criteria friends/council/facilitators discussed this for a bit and came to the following wording for this proposed guideline:The background of your mapset should be somehow related to the origin, theme or content of the song. Abstract backgrounds may be used if no relevant backgrounds are available. If uncertain, using official track art (where available) is always an accepted option unless the art itself is considered inappropriate for all ages.Please discuss!
It is supposed to be rather lenient. We don't want to limit people's imaginations - We only want to avoid unrelated meme-backgrounds and a few other examples that bother us. That's why the guideline was worded in a way that still allows the majority of backgrounds.xxdeathx wrote:
That wording is ambiguous as fk and doesn't sound like it'd make things any different from how they currently are
How strict would it be with regards to these if they were qualified today
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/232451
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368985
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/320118
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/232451
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368985
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/320118
Those are probably part of the main reasons this guideline was brought up.
Generally, I'm fine with the guideline itself, since it just states that "common sense" should be applied by modders when the mapper himself doesn't have such quality. I'm more surprised we need such a guideline to begin with tbh... =w="
Generally, I'm fine with the guideline itself, since it just states that "common sense" should be applied by modders when the mapper himself doesn't have such quality. I'm more surprised we need such a guideline to begin with tbh... =w="
But they fit the songs just fine.xxdeathx wrote:
How strict would it be with regards to these if they were qualified today
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/232451
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368985
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/320118
I think BG for those which have their own source we need to be more careful. this does not mean that we have to use the BG from that game/anime, but if the BG is not about that source, at least we have to look at the theme of the song and see if that BG from other source make no sense at all.
It is mapper's fault to take risk about BG, if actually there is a huge discussion about BG at Disqus, then we might need to check is mapper misunderstanding the lyric of the song.
tbh, some BG from other sources work fine. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/125644
^this is a good example of using other BG, everyone probably could tell this BG just fit in this song well. I think we need judge this case by case.
but it is always mapper's fault to force to use a Moe BG (not for love) on a eroge op that is talking about "I love you so much."
It is mapper's fault to take risk about BG, if actually there is a huge discussion about BG at Disqus, then we might need to check is mapper misunderstanding the lyric of the song.
tbh, some BG from other sources work fine. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/125644
^this is a good example of using other BG, everyone probably could tell this BG just fit in this song well. I think we need judge this case by case.
but it is always mapper's fault to force to use a Moe BG (not for love) on a eroge op that is talking about "I love you so much."
With the change of how the Ranking Criteria Subforum works from now on, topics like these are obsolete. I will send a PM to the author of the topic that encourages him to bring it up to one of the council members.