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wtf man xDPeterEU wrote:
i made easy diff http://www.mediafire.com/download/9hmdq ... asy%5D.osu
Just Try, You can modify :3
this is already ranked and enoughs gds are done
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LOL
still waiting for this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/787717
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/787717
Sorry I stumble upon this set this late into the qualification process but there are some things I definitely don't agree with, which I think need revision:
In short, the map feels unstructured, cheap, awkward, rushed and I honestly think that if you weren't Fort, this set would never have even got a bubble.
It's a bit late here, plus I am posting from my laptop which makes modding not easy at all, so I am not really able to go deeply into the details.
I hope it'll be enough to make people reconsider this qualification.
Everlasting Memory
- The map, especially the first two thirds, look particularly bad. You used to map some really nicer things back then, Highscore looked good, this on the other hand feels quite cheap to be honest:
00:25:091 (2,3) - , 00:48:000 (1,2,3) - and on, overly curved short sliders like 00:52:773 (2,3) - , rushed squares like 01:23:454 (1,2,3,4) -
The list could go on, but I know what you're capable of and that you're more than capable of applying yourself. - The rhythm choices on most parts is really suspicious:
01:23:454 (1,2,3,4) - why ending your slider on such a powerful note? It'd play much better clicked on. This applies to the whole section
01:30:818 (1) - why is it not two circles like the previous patterns? it's the same sound, it feels really awkward to suddenly play a slider instead
Whole kiai as well, some note get a special 1/1 slider for no reason, some others get screen length 1/4 jumps
03:16:364 - why is this whole part so calm when it's basically still the chorus? - The flow as well is mostly bad, most of the objects just feel randomly placed across the map without real intent, like the whole section after 01:31:636 -
You often make the cursor stop at awkward moment, like 01:23:864 (4,5) - the previous part was a jump shitfest then you decide here to not only change the rhythm^, but stop the cursor. This would actually be okay if you made the player click on 01:24:000 - since you'd then be landing on a downbeat
01:32:318 (4,1) - this as well doesn't totally work, you want to stop the cursor but the next slider begins a bit more farther away, which makes the player continue to move the cursor. This ends up feeling more like a slow than a stop, which I don't think is adequate here - NCs are a real mess as well, like 01:31:091 (1) - just why? You also don't need to NC every damn jump patterns, unless you really wanna make them stand out. NCs are a more than aesthetics, they are gameplay elements and reading clues
- Unlike Highscore, the hitsounding gimmick just doesn't quite work here, and sounds more forced than anything
- 02:06:545 - why isn't this part kiai? Moreover, this part has some serious spacing issues, most of the patterns don't work or at least not with the spacing they have, like 02:07:091 (1,2,3,4) - that kind of pattern
To be honest the whole map feels terribly unbalanced spacing wise, some very energetic sections like^ feel really underwhelming, whereas some calmer ones are a total jump shitfest like 00:56:727 - - 03:51:273 - More personnal, but this section feels like it has some serious gameplay potential with those back-and-forth sounds, but nothing is made out of it
In short, the map feels unstructured, cheap, awkward, rushed and I honestly think that if you weren't Fort, this set would never have even got a bubble.
It's a bit late here, plus I am posting from my laptop which makes modding not easy at all, so I am not really able to go deeply into the details.
I hope it'll be enough to make people reconsider this qualification.
Why are some people trying so hard to disqualify a map that is a community favorite, I don't get it. This map has more than 1000 favorites, so just leave it alone and let it be ranked for the sake of people who enjoy it.
Why do you see DQ as a negative thing? This is supposed to help the mapset, and in this current state it's far from being acceptable for rank.
More than anything, a DQ shows that BNs didn't do their work properly.
Also, a lot of graveyarded maps have a shitton of favorites, that doesn't make them more rankable.
More than anything, a DQ shows that BNs didn't do their work properly.
Also, a lot of graveyarded maps have a shitton of favorites, that doesn't make them more rankable.
I randomly looked at the Standard bc I'm currently mapping a song of the same BPM and recently asked fellow BNs and/or QATs about 1/4-gaps in the lowest diff of a set, and some of them were already aversed to the idea of only having a 1/4-gap after a slidertail, but this Normal here even has fully clickable 1/4-doubles from 03:03:136 (4,1) on, and even though I consider myself a rather strong advocate for harder Normals, I don't think that's acceptable as lowest diff of a set either;would be cool to hear more opinions about that.
I found some other things in the Standard too:
I found some other things in the Standard too:
- 01:41:454 (1,2,3,4,1) - As far as I've seen, there have never been clickable 1/2-chains longer than three notes anywhere, but this is five clickable 1/2s in a row - In a section that is mainly dominated by a lot of larger gaps and sliders, this seems highly unreasonable to me, simply deleting (4) would easily fix this imo. I find the usage of the 1/4-sliders in this section extremely random anyways, I don't see any system behind that at all and I think that bringing some structure into would only benefit the experience, but heyoo Normals don't get cared about much I guess
(also, have you thought about already NCing those 1/4-sliders when they appear? i.e. swapping NCing on 01:33:545 (5,1) - etc, would imo make a nice effect but ofc that's just taste ^^) - 01:20:727 (5) - 02:08:727 (5) - Missing NC; Also unnecessary NC at 01:41:454 (1) - .. ye maybe NCing should be rechecked throughout the whole map again, can't be bothered rn
- 03:48:000 (2,1) - not properly stacking lulz
- edit: Maybe you could also make 02:21:818 (1,2,3) be evenly visually spaced from each other ( = something like this)? Same goes for 03:51:273 (1,2,3) versus 03:52:364 (3,4) -, there might be more like those I guess
fwiw 95% of all players have no fucking idea how to map or how to make good maps. This is why people are encouraged to be able to play their own maps before they spit their opinion all over.Aleycks wrote:
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The praise of anyone ranking lower than 10k or so who isn't an experienced mapper or modder is basically worthless other than as a personal pick-me-up. It's completely worthless as a map defense. For this map, at least, given its SR and pointless difficulty, i'd say like top 1-2k... That 10k threshold number changes depending on the difficulty level of the map, obviously.
Shiirn wrote:
fwiw 95% of all players have no fucking idea how to map or how to make good maps. This is why people are encouraged to be able to play their own maps before they spit their opinion all over.Aleycks wrote:
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The praise of anyone ranking lower than 10k or so who isn't an experienced mapper or modder is basically worthless other than as a personal pick-me-up. It's completely worthless as a map defense. For this map, at least, given its SR and pointless difficulty, i'd say like top 1-2k... That 10k threshold number changes depending on the difficulty level of the map, obviously.
You've been patiently waiting for 2 days to use that picture, Bonsai. You've earned my respect.
and it was still clumsily thrown in since that was about favorites rather than votes
smh bonzai
smh bonzai
Yuii- wrote:
You've been patiently waiting for 2 days to use that picture, Bonsai. You've earned my respect.
shut offShiirn wrote:
and it was still clumsily thrown in since that was about favorites rather than votes
smh bonzai
(what's even worse is that I didn't even want to use it on this map but on ALIEN ;_;)
(also I didn't want to cause so many shitposts aaaa sorry m(＿ ＿ ;;)m )
Hi Fort,
I'll pull this out of qualified for now as valid points were raised about both Everlasting Memory and Standard.
[Standard]
Good luck and answer the rest of the mods properly, not just the parts mentioned here~
I'll pull this out of qualified for now as valid points were raised about both Everlasting Memory and Standard.
[Standard]
- As the lowest diff you may want to fulfill the general things an easy should be doing in its stead. As such I agree with Bonsai that the stub 1/4 sliders should either be reconsidered as a whole or at least in the part bonsai mentioned as they seem to lack a clear structure and actually make that part more intense than the really intense section just before it.
- If you want a more clear system, you missed the following places for 1/4 sliders: 01:37:909 - 01:40:091 - 01:44:454 - 01:46:636 - 01:48:818 - but as the lowest diff I'd just say you should go with circles in these places. (the timestamps above are used to outline that your system is kind of missing)
- 01:23:864 (4) - You should explain why you use these sliders so that everyone is on the same page here, Fort. I don't see the need to end them in a spot with this much impact either.
- 01:30:818 (1) - I agree with Alheak that these could be circles, his explanation makes sense.
- I agree with Alheak that the hitsounding seems to be trying too hard to be meme, so i'd ask you to reconsider that.
Good luck and answer the rest of the mods properly, not just the parts mentioned here~
110bpm means glitch hopOkorin wrote:
What are the tags "110bpm style" supposed to mean?
watManysi wrote:
110bpm means glitch hopOkorin wrote:
What are the tags "110bpm style" supposed to mean?
I don't get why you use hitsounds to add to the song rather than represent it :\
Only your almighty opinion is worth anything, my badShiirn wrote:
fwiw 95% of all players have no fucking idea how to map or how to make good maps. This is why people are encouraged to be able to play their own maps before they spit their opinion all over.Aleycks wrote:
community favorite
The praise of anyone ranking lower than 10k or so who isn't an experienced mapper or modder is basically worthless other than as a personal pick-me-up. It's completely worthless as a map defense. For this map, at least, given its SR and pointless difficulty, i'd say like top 1-2k... That 10k threshold number changes depending on the difficulty level of the map, obviously.
u got it fam
It has already been disqualified once, so why were these "issues" not adressed the first time ? Did it really take a 2nd DQ for everyone to notice that "hitsounds are too meme" ? Let's requalify this a 3rd time, and by then people will have found new issues like "why is this a circle and not a slider ?" or "this hitsound is still too meme" just for the sake of seeing this mapset disqualifiedAlheak wrote:
Why do you see DQ as a negative thing? This is supposed to help the mapset, and in this current state it's far from being acceptable for rank.
More than anything, a DQ shows that BNs didn't do their work properly.
Also, a lot of graveyarded maps have a shitton of favorites, that doesn't make them more rankable.
Because now, different people have looked at it, people who didn't look at it prior to the first DQ - Nobody can spot everything at once, that's why we base our ranking system on multiple modders, multiple nominators and yet another week to have it checked by everyone who plays it again.Aleycks wrote:
It has already been disqualified once, so why were these "issues" not adressed the first time ?
Alright, I can understand that, but I fail to see the real issues adressed in this DQ post. There's 1/4 in the standard diff. Really ? Did no one realize that until now ? After tons of modding, a qualification and a disqualification, this is now an issue ? Please help me understand how.
About Everlasting Memory, this is basically "why is this a slider and not a circle ?" The answer is : why not, I really have nothing else to say about this, and the hitsounds stuff is ridiculous : "too meme"
About Everlasting Memory, this is basically "why is this a slider and not a circle ?" The answer is : why not, I really have nothing else to say about this, and the hitsounds stuff is ridiculous : "too meme"
You can represent music, but you can also interpret it how you want. Even if I dislike the jumps on the map, forts hitsoundings is pretty unique in a good way (for me anyways).Cheesecake wrote:
I don't get why you use hitsounds to add to the song rather than represent it :\
Well modding is exactly about that, saying that sometimes a circle is better than a slider, they are two different gameplay elements and both work in their own way. Depending on the rhythm or sounds, one can fit better than the other.Aleycks wrote:
About Everlasting Memory, this is basically "why is this a slider and not a circle ?" The answer is : why not, I really have nothing else to say about this, and the hitsounds stuff is ridiculous : "too meme"
And no, the hitsounding isn't "too meme". It worked really well on Highscore, but here this is another story.
Deforming our remarks isn't an argument.
Please people enjoy this game
Thanks based okorin keeping the ranked category clean of aim practise maps! (expect highscore that is..)
Oh my gosh...
(Another drama)
(Another drama)
thishuono_tuuri wrote:
Thanks based okorin keeping the ranked category clean of aim practise maps! (expect highscore that is..)
Why this isnt ranked? :C
Enon wrote:
Please people enjoy this game
jump practice maps shouldn't be rankedOfficialLaw wrote:
Why this isnt ranked? :C
If they comply with the requirements, are nicely mapped and have full diff spread, then why they shouldn't? I don't see the reason for maps like these not being ranked, especially when so many people love them, consider them good and there are no fundamental flaws, other stuff that definitely breaks the rhythm or is mapping to the empty vacuum.Fyre wrote:
jump practice maps shouldn't be rankedOfficialLaw wrote:
Why this isnt ranked? :C
I mean, no offence, but saying something like "I think it's jump practise, thus this shouldn't be ranked" is not a good way to convey someone's personal feeling, because it's a little like a tautological linguistic construct with zero information content. There's completely no argument related to why it shouldn't be ranked in it and for me, it just sounds like an attempt of being mean.
Moreover, the foremost mean to achieve improvement is playing the maps and any map that have jumps could be called by someone a jump practice. Do you mean that every single map ever that had any jumps in it, shouldn't be ranked? I bet not, as I wonder how many maps we would had left, if we were to unrank everything that can be used for jump practising.
Have u ever seen any kinds of "jump practice maps" that are ranked/approved from a long time ago? It's becuz the spread says soFyre wrote:
jump practice maps shouldn't be rankedOfficialLaw wrote:
Why this isnt ranked? :C