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ZUN - Ghost Lead [Taiko]

posted 2016-05-27T14:25:15+00:00

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Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-05-30T17:22:46+00:00

HimemiyaChikane wrote:
[Ayyri's Inner Oni]
00:08:984 - add k.there's a high pitch here.
00:11:049 (38) - delete.
00:14:912 (67,68,69,70,71) - how about D K D K D?
00:45:181 (232,236) - delete.
00:50:481 (271) - a K?
01:12:397 (423,424,425,426,427) - D K D K D.

I actually applied all of these, and did a couple self-modded things myself. So thank you for the mod!

Update

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 35032
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 1
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1.7
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.9

[Metadata]
Title:Ghost Lead
TitleUnicode:ゴーストリード
Artist:ZUN
ArtistUnicode:ZUN
Creator:kogasa
Version:Ayyri's Inner Oni
Source:Touhou Project
Tags:yuyuko saigyouji th13 ten desires shinreibyou 東方 ayyri
BeatmapID:989534
BeatmapSetID:460989

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CircleSize:2
OverallDifficulty:6
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SliderTickRate:1

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xtrem3x

1,781 posts

Joined July 2009

xtrem3x 2016-06-01T23:43:17+00:00

Removing my laziness ...

General:

don = d
kat = k
Big Don = D
Big Kat = K

Kantan

Same comment as Futsuu.
HP = 6 or 7 ... no problem, is easy

Futsuu

HP = 6
is curious how this diff is good and rhythm same but in muzukashii is totally different.

00:28:564 - Add d note here ... that's all.

Muzukashii

have a strange rhythm but is ... good?

00:10:600 - Need a triple here ...
00:56:588 - ^

Oni

00:02:966 - triple starts in this point ... a little change please...

00:11:319 - in this 5-notes is better change for kdddk ... have low sound in d notes.

00:17:337 - Change this note to d ... clap sounds is with 3 notes not 4

00:22:996 - Change this 5-notes for kkkdk ... sounds almost equal, but in d note have a minimal change in BG sound.

00:28:924 - Change this 5-notes f
or kkkkd .. sounds same in k notes and d note is for consistence with rhythm ...

00:34:493 - Same situation as 00:22:996-

00:37:187 - Same situation as 00:02:966-

00:37:726 - Add note here

00:45:810 - Change this stream for kkddkkk .. have more consistence with BG sound.

00:56:588 - Fill/Change this part to obtain a 5-notes stream ... my suggest = ddkdk

01:03:235 - Change this 5-notes for ddkkk ... clap sounds in k notes.

01:20:301 - Change this stream for ddkkkdk (?)

Ayyri's Inner Oni

00:04:582 Is possible add note here, really in this part need a 5-note stream but without finish ... any option is valid.

00:10:600 - in this part sounds better a change as ... kkddk d kkddkdk ... specifically focusing in high tones...
00:22:816 - Change this stream for kdddkkk ... clap sounds are in last 3 notes...

00:52:008 - not nessesary a 5-notes in this part, is better delete this note.

00:56:588 - In this part is better a change for ddkdk d kkddkkk ... specifically for high sounds.

01:08:804 - Same situation as 00:52:008-

kogasa_old_1

123 posts

Joined July 2011

Topic Starter

kogasa_old_1 2016-06-02T01:08:50+00:00

xtrem3x wrote:
Removing my laziness ...

General:

don = d
kat = k
Big Don = D
Big Kat = K

Kantan

Same comment as Futsuu.
HP = 6 or 7 ... no problem, is easy
/ aye aye!

Futsuu

HP = 6
is curious how this diff is good and rhythm same but in muzukashii is totally different.
/ thats cause muzukashii and oni are mapped more the actual percussion, while doing so in kantan and futsuu is just very awkward. also, a lot of the percussion is made of triplets that i cant use that much in muzu, so it ends up rather simplified...

00:28:564 - Add d note here ... that's all. / added! thank you for pointing that out!

Muzukashii

have a strange rhythm but is ... good? / yeah, like i said, the percussion has to be rather simplified, however, the songs actual percussion is actually somewhat... quiet? my intention while mapping to the percussion was to really bring it out more and make the beat more intense. but since its simplified, it sort comes off as "improv mapping," but i dont really think thats a bad thing. imo, the rhythm used is perfectly fine

00:10:600 - Need a triple here ... / in this part of the song, its still sort of building up. im mapping to the drums and trying to make it come out more, and the high-hat-like-snares are coming in, which falls on the beat the piano starts on. also, using a triple instead of going the full 5 1/4 notes just sounds kinda strange to me here. but if someone else thinks it needs a triple, ill consider
00:56:588 - ^ ^

Oni

00:02:966 - triple starts in this point ... a little change please... / i have no idea what this means... there is clearly a kick triplet right here, it makes no sense not to map a triple there.

00:11:319 - in this 5-notes is better change for kdddk ... have low sound in d notes. / im mapping to the snare roll, not the piano...

00:17:337 - Change this note to d ... clap sounds is with 3 notes not 4 / actually, they start fading in and crescendo-ing, which is why not all of them are mapped to kats, but also not just 3 of them are.

00:22:996 - Change this 5-notes for kkkdk ... sounds almost equal, but in d note have a minimal change in BG sound. / i think how it currently is plays better.

00:28:924 - Change this 5-notes f
or kkkkd .. sounds same in k notes and d note is for consistence with rhythm ... / huh? this is for consistency with the actual patterns and sounds much better, the rhythm isnt effected

00:34:493 - Same situation as 00:22:996- / ^

00:37:187 - Same situation as 00:02:966- / once again, there is very clearly a kick roll

00:37:726 - Add note here / im hearing nothing to suggest this, and leaving that out emphasizes the longer "tshhhh" sound from the high hat. by leaving nothing there, it lets the "tshhh" sink in, holding it out.

00:45:810 - Change this stream for kkddkkk .. have more consistence with BG sound. / i like how it currently plays, and it sounds fine as is to me

00:56:588 - Fill/Change this part to obtain a 5-notes stream ... my suggest = ddkdk / its blank for a small pause after the finisher, and im not mapping to the trumpets. also, this would make the pattern too long in comparison to every other pattern and chain

01:03:235 - Change this 5-notes for ddkkk ... clap sounds in k notes. / this is like this for consistency with the previous patterns

01:20:301 - Change this stream for ddkkkdk (?) / i like how this sounds, changed!

thank you very much for the mod!

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-02T13:53:03+00:00

xtrem3x wrote:
Ayyri's Inner Oni

00:04:582 Is possible add note here, really in this part need a 5-note stream but without finish ... any option is valid. I don't think this needs to be changed, that'd be changing a lot of the map tbh.

00:10:600 - in this part sounds better a change as ... kkddk d kkddkdk ... specifically focusing in high tones... Changed.
00:22:816 - Change this stream for kdddkkk ... clap sounds are in last 3 notes... Changed.

00:52:008 - not nessesary a 5-notes in this part, is better delete this note. Changed.

00:56:588 - In this part is better a change for ddkdk d kkddkkk ... specifically for high sounds. Changed.

01:08:804 - Same situation as 00:52:008- Changed.

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Surono

7,195 posts

Joined November 2013

Surono 2016-06-04T05:09:55+00:00

dem, my R headset will blem this map

>General
* I think HP on this mapset seems, why low diff just 6 and the high diff is 6 too? I give adjust for HP to fits with length of song
Inner: 5, Oni: 6, Muzu: 7, Futsuu & Kantan: 8
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Difficulty_appr ... _Game_Mode HP Should higher for lower diffs

>Ayyri Inner
* well mapped but too bad if make style this diff with mostly finisher and repeating pattern (because its music? lol), I think pattern could be more filling as stream.
I point some necessary to be finisher ex: 00:12:038 - 00:14:912 - and similar sound like these, if you still like to keep it.. thats fine since instrument is really strong to make like that, but consindering it.. pattern could be more improved imo

>Oni
* 00:02:696 (4,5) - what you following? 00:02:876 - the sound correctly from here as 3plet right, ddk?
* 00:03:235 - this will good as contrast sound if you change it to don, kat kat kat seems right? no
* 00:10:690 - delete? 00:10:780 (38,39,40) - you just need these as 3plet to emphasize the main sound imo
* 00:17:337 - delete, 00:17:427 - the main sound started from here. this worst to filling long like this unless you change the color to make better contrast
* 00:37:277 (196) - move to 00:37:726 - here? theres no had sound, just unnecessary sound
* 00:46:079 - delete? too long as Oni, and the gap is close with Inner
* 01:20:391 - ^
I dont care how this mapped on coloring, this good but some long pattern still close with Inner

>Muzukashii
* 00:28:744 - delete, I think this unnecessary to mapped as Muzu. 00:28:564 (104,105) - to follow main sound and give rest imo
* 01:14:732 - same above
too much finisheerr, aaaaa

>Futsuu
* 00:22:816 - add some notes? muzukashii had long pattern, so will not far gap imo
* 01:20:660 - don? ^ a

>Kantan
* 00:04:493 - I think you should make it don if this part cannot spread to delete, you can make it monocolor for newbie
try find some close pattern with futsuu, if theres had it and you wont delete it, make it monocolor imo

GoodLuck

5urface

196 posts

Joined December 2014

5urface 2016-06-04T13:11:53+00:00

M4M from my queue

General
It would be nice if you could use a background image with 1366x768 resolution. The current one is rankable of course but why not use the maximum allowed size for optimal quality on widescreen resolutions

The preview point in the Futsuu is off by a couple of milliseconds, please put it on 00:35:032 like you used in the other diffs.
You are still overusing finishers a bit imo. Look at your finishers and ask yourself - does the sound I mapped these on really require a finisher?

Kantan
00:00:541 (1) - k because of the higher pitch
00:03:415 (4) - same, it would also be consistent with 00:06:289 (8) -
00:12:038 (13) - K, it's the same pitch as 00:13:475 (15)
00:15:271 (17,18) - Ctrl + G
00:21:379 (26) - d for pattern consistency with 00:14:912 (16,17,18) if you applied my change
00:26:768 (32,33) - Ctrl + G
00:35:032 (43) - k
00:40:780 (49) - ^
00:43:654 (52) - d?
00:46:529 (54,55) - K d
00:50:840 (59) - k?
00:53:714 (62) - d
01:18:864 (95) - d
01:19:582 (96) - K

Futsuu
00:00:541 (1,2) - K d
00:04:133 (6,7,8) - invert colors
00:08:984 (14) - d
00:23:535 (40,41,42) - invert colors
00:31:798 (54,55,56,57,58,59) - k k k d d K
00:35:032 (60,61,62) - K D K
00:38:624 (65,66,67) - d k d
00:43:475 (73) - d
00:50:840 (86) - d
00:52:277 (89) - k
00:58:026 (98,99,100) - K D K
01:03:774 (109) - K?
01:06:289 (112) - k
01:15:271 (129) - K
01:17:786 (132) - k

Muzukashii
00:02:876 (4,5) - Move these 2 back to 00:03:055
00:04:133 (7) - d
00:05:750 (10,11,12) - How about a 4 note kkdk pattern here
00:11:319 (26) - d?
00:12:038 (30) - K
00:14:912 (42) - K
00:26:409 (94) - ^
00:27:127 (96,97,98) - ddd?
00:32:876 (124,125,126,127,128,129) - k d ddd K
00:35:032 (136) - K
00:35:750 (137) - D
0000:37:367 (139,140) - move back to 00:37:546
00:37:906 (141) - K
00:38:984 - maybe add a k here
00:39:702 (144,145,146) - katus are too harsh here, use a d triplet
00:40:780 (150) - K
00:49:043 (177,178,179) - invert colors
00:57:666 (213,214,215) - ddd
00:58:026 (216) - K
00:59:463 (218) - ^
01:03:415 (234,235,236,237) - same as above
01:10:780 (258,259) - d K
01:11:678 (261,262,263,264,265) - invert colors
01:14:912 (277,278,279,280) - invert

Oni
00:03:055 (7) - d
00:04:493 (11,12,13,14,15) - kkddd
00:06:109 (21,22) - invert colors
00:08:984 (32,33) - ^
00:13:115 (56,57,58) - ^
00:14:912 (66) - K
00:16:169 (74,75) - invert
00:21:738 (109,110,111) - ^
00:23:535 (120) - K
00:24:792 (128,129) - invert
00:26:409 (138) - K
00:27:666 (146,147) - invert
00:33:594 (182) - K
00:35:032 (192) - K
00:36:469 (194) - K?
00:37:187 (195,196,197,198,199) - This is a bit unneccessary, there is not really any sound that requires a 5 note pattern here. How about a simple d d K at 00:37:546?
00:38:624 (201,202,203,204,205) - Invert
00:42:217 (219) - D
00:45:091 (229) - ^
00:46:529 (239) - K
00:47:606 (246,247,248) - Invert
00:49:043 (254,255,256) - ^
00:54:792 (288,289,290) - d k K
00:58:026 (308) - K
00:59:463 (310) - K
01:02:157 (324,325) - Invert colors
01:10:241 (365) - D
01:18:145 (406) - K
01:19:223 (409) - D

Well, I hope this was at least a bit helpful
Good luck :3

kogasa_old_1

123 posts

Joined July 2011

Topic Starter

kogasa_old_1 2016-06-06T00:34:55+00:00

Surono wrote:
dem, my R headset will blem this map

>General
* I think HP on this mapset seems, why low diff just 6 and the high diff is 6 too? I give adjust for HP to fits with length of song
Inner: 5, Oni: 6, Muzu: 7, Futsuu & Kantan: 8
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Difficulty_appr ... _Game_Mode HP Should higher for lower diffs
/i forgot to fix this when i made kantan and futsuu higher, thanks!

>Oni
* 00:02:696 (4,5) - what you following? 00:02:876 - the sound correctly from here as 3plet right, ddk? / oh damn, my bad, fixed!
* 00:03:235 - this will good as contrast sound if you change it to don, kat kat kat seems right? no / i agree, changed!
* 00:10:690 - delete? 00:10:780 (38,39,40) - you just need these as 3plet to emphasize the main sound imo / that would sound really weird to me, missing the beat and piano
* 00:17:337 - delete, 00:17:427 - the main sound started from here. this worst to filling long like this unless you change the color to make better contrast / i'm not too sure what you mean, theres a bass kick roll followed by the crescendoing snare
* 00:37:277 (196) - move to 00:37:726 - here? theres no had sound, just unnecessary sound / no, theres definitely a kick roll there
* 00:46:079 - delete? too long as Oni, and the gap is close with Inner / i think its perfectly fine, it fits the percussion and the trumpet
* 01:20:391 - ^ / definitely not changing this, it fits the percussion and its the very end of the map
I dont care how this mapped on coloring, this good but some long pattern still close with Inner
/ theres only 2 long patterns? i put in a lot of breaks throughout the map...

>Muzukashii
* 00:28:744 - delete, I think this unnecessary to mapped as Muzu. 00:28:564 (104,105) - to follow main sound and give rest imo / it would sound and feel really empty if i did this
* 01:14:732 - same above / ^
too much finisheerr, aaaaa / there is really not... the song is very intense with its grace trumpets and long notes

>Futsuu
* 00:22:816 - add some notes? muzukashii had long pattern, so will not far gap imo / i think itll keep it for now, i was emphasizing the trumpet being held out, and its like this for other parts of the song, but if other people think its too empty ill add something
* 01:20:660 - don? ^ a / added a kat instead for the snare, but it feels better now!

>Kantan
* 00:04:493 - I think you should make it don if this part cannot spread to delete, you can make it monocolor for newbie / i really dont think this is necessary, it would feel really weird pitch wise and i dont think it would cause anyone trouble
try find some close pattern with futsuu, if theres had it and you wont delete it, make it monocolor imo

GoodLuck

really sorry for late reply, thank you very much for your mod!! ill get on yours as soon as i can!

5urface wrote:
M4M from my queue

General
It would be nice if you could use a background image with 1366x768 resolution. The current one is rankable of course but why not use the maximum allowed size for optimal quality on widescreen resolutions / its like that with the black bars so it appears as wide in the actual taiko gameplay and her face actually shows up on the bar.
The preview point in the Futsuu is off by a couple of milliseconds, please put it on 00:35:032 like you used in the other diffs. / fixed, thank you!
You are still overusing finishers a bit imo. Look at your finishers and ask yourself - does the sound I mapped these on really require a finisher? / as i said before, no, i am really not. i have only added them where i feel emphasis is necessary, and for the very last kiai so it feels like the "final rush," as well as putting emphasis on every loud and held out grace note. theres also snare/cymbals on every grace trumpet note, and the song itself, is intense. and i can bet anyone 10 dollars if i took most of them out, someone else who would mod the map would say "add a finisher here." additionally, there are other maps with way more finishers where its not as "in your face," so i really do not see the problem. also, they do not interfere with actual gameplay and i dont use them in any place that would be considered "difficult" (in the middle of a pattern, too quickly, ect).

tl;dr, asked myself if i where i mapped the finishers really required a finisher, the answer was yes.

i will say, however, that i did have some consistency issues that im stilll addressing, as in forgetting to place a finisher where i placed one before/accidentally forgetting to remove a finisher that i meant to remove.

Kantan
00:00:541 (1) - k because of the higher pitch / fixed!
00:03:415 (4) - same, it would also be consistent with 00:06:289 (8) - / no, its like this to add more emphasis on the pitch going up on the kat and for how it plays. (also, those are 2 completely different patterns so im extremely confused)
00:12:038 (13) - K, it's the same pitch as 00:13:475 (15) / its like that for symmetry with the upcoming pattern and so it puts emphasis on the kat
00:15:271 (17,18) - Ctrl + G / it fits better as it is to me
00:21:379 (26) - d for pattern consistency with 00:14:912 (16,17,18) if you applied my change / ^
00:26:768 (32,33) - Ctrl + G / ^
00:35:032 (43) - k / this is for variety and since the song got "quiet" or "calmer," if that makes sense.
00:40:780 (49) - ^ / ^
00:43:654 (52) - d? / no, its going up and puts emphasis on the drop on the next don
00:46:529 (54,55) - K d / fixed!
00:50:840 (59) - k? / its like this for inversion/how it plays
00:53:714 (62) - d / like this for consistency
01:18:864 (95) - d / its a kat so its easier to play for a beginner
01:19:582 (96) - K / changed!

Futsuu
00:00:541 (1,2) - K d / its like this to mirror 00:12:038 (20,21,22), since those are higher/more intense and these are lower/quieter. also, it still fits fine, and again the thing i said about the sound from the D's in muzukashii.
00:04:133 (6,7,8) - invert colors why...? this fits the pitch much better, and the kat lands on the high hat.
00:08:984 (14) - d / left them as both kat so itll be easier to play.
00:23:535 (40,41,42) - invert colors / initially for pattern inversion, which i noticed was inconsistent, so its ddk instead.
00:31:798 (54,55,56,57,58,59) - k k k d d K / no, the pitch goes UP at 00:32:157 (55), changing the first one to kat would remove this emphasis, while the last 2 are going down, + its D for the same reasons ive said before (or in muzukashii, when replying i accidentally skipped futsuu and went back oops)
00:35:032 (60,61,62) - K D K / same thing for variety and consistency + since its "lower" and "calmer"
00:38:624 (65,66,67) - d k d / i like what i have right now better atm
00:43:475 (73) - d / addressed above
00:50:840 (86) - d / why? when its going up and matches the previous pattern?
00:52:277 (89) - k / no? the pitch is going down and the D is adding emphasis, and the same thing i said about being easier.
00:58:026 (98,99,100) - K D K / ive explained this before x_x
01:03:774 (109) - K? / x_x
01:06:289 (112) - k / ive also addressed this before
01:15:271 (129) - K / inverted pattern since its lower than the last part, see: 01:09:523 (118,119,120)
01:17:786 (132) - k / addressed

Muzukashii
00:02:876 (4,5) - Move these 2 back to 00:03:055 / absolutely not, that doesnt fit the percussion at all
00:04:133 (7) - d / changed!
00:05:750 (10,11,12) - How about a 4 note kkdk pattern here / no, the song is still starting up and it doesnt fit the percussion, it removes the emphasis on that high hat/snare being held out
00:11:319 (26) - d? / changed!
00:12:038 (30) - K / its like this for consistency as well as putting more of the emphasis on the deeper drum sound it makes as well as emphasizing the change in song and feel and intensity
00:14:912 (42) - K / ^
00:26:409 (94) - ^ / ^ i save the K's for the end of the song when things are more intense, saving the intense "crashing" sounds for then.
00:27:127 (96,97,98) - ddd? / left for consistency + how it plays
00:32:876 (124,125,126,127,128,129) - k d ddd K / this sounds really weird, i dont hear anything that would warrant the first k, and kkk D adds more emphasis and feels better to play imo
00:35:032 (136) - K / same things ive said before
00:35:750 (137) - D / didnt notice the consistency error, fixed!
0000:37:367 (139,140) - move back to 00:37:546 / once again, does not fit the percussion at all. COMPLETELY misses the emphaasis on the high hat
00:37:906 (141) - K / left for consistency
00:38:984 - maybe add a k here / since this part got quiet, im mainly only mapping to the main notes, so ill pass
00:39:702 (144,145,146) - katus are too harsh here, use a d triplet / ???????? they are clearly mapped to the snares? its not harsh?
00:40:780 (150) - K / left as is for consistency. this part is the "lower" or "quieter" part so thats why im using mono patterns.
00:49:043 (177,178,179) - invert colors / why? theres 2 snares there, plays nicely, fits the trumpet as well, i see no reason to change it
00:57:666 (213,214,215) - ddd / very clearly mapped to the snares, again
00:58:026 (216) - K / left for the same reason i stated above about mono patterns and emphasis
00:59:463 (218) - ^ / ^
01:03:415 (234,235,236,237) - same as above / ^
01:10:780 (258,259) - d K / same thing i said about the deeper drum sound + emphasis
01:11:678 (261,262,263,264,265) - invert colors / theres 2 snares on 01:12:038 (263,264), same thing about the D's, and i feel like it plays well
01:14:912 (277,278,279,280) - invert / once again, very clearly mapped to the snares.

/ god, i ended up repeating myself a LOT, sorry.

Oni
00:03:055 (7) - d / no? it lands... on the high hat/snare...
00:04:493 (11,12,13,14,15) - kkddd / no...? it very clearly goes 4 bass kicks and then the high hat, i dont hear this at all, and i want to keep the streams "simple" while the song is still starting
00:06:109 (21,22) - invert colors / 00:06:648 (22) lands on high hat/snare
00:08:984 (32,33) - ^ / ^^^
00:13:115 (56,57,58) - ^ / this really doesnt make sense to me, i dont understand what youre trying to suggest i map to.
00:14:912 (66) - K / i mentioned this about the D's before
00:16:169 (74,75) - invert / these are both D's, i mightve changed them during the last mod.
00:21:738 (109,110,111) - ^ / consistency plus D emphasissss
00:23:535 (120) - K / ^^^
00:24:792 (128,129) - invert / so im assuming all of the next suggestions are things ive already explained so im just gonna skip over them (as in not reply, not as in not checking)
00:26:409 (138) - K
00:27:666 (146,147) - invert
00:33:594 (182) - K
00:35:032 (192) - K
00:36:469 (194) - K?
00:37:187 (195,196,197,198,199) - This is a bit unneccessary, there is not really any sound that requires a 5 note pattern here. How about a simple d d K at 00:37:546? / no, its mapped to the same exact kick roll at the beginning of the map. i would be missing beats.
00:38:624 (201,202,203,204,205) - Invert / literally WHAT???????¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿??????????
00:42:217 (219) - D / the K's are mapped to the high hat/snares/cymbals/whatever they are. i wouldve made the first D a K too but that would break consistency/emphasis. also, you have me no actual reasoning
00:45:091 (229) - ^
00:46:529 (239) - K
00:47:606 (246,247,248) - Invert / ???????
00:49:043 (254,255,256) - ^ / ???????????????????????????
00:54:792 (288,289,290) - d k K / ???????????????????????????????
00:58:026 (308) - K
00:59:463 (310) - K
01:02:157 (324,325) - Invert colors
01:10:241 (365) - D
01:18:145 (406) - K
01:19:223 (409) - D

Well, I hope this was at least a bit helpful
Good luck :3

thank you very much for your mod! but, in all honesty...

no offense, but i really feel you didn't take my thought process into account, as in you didnt even try to understand what the mapper was doing/intending to do, especially with patterns/consistency/ect., what the mapper was actually mapping to, which is really important when modding. it really felt like you were just trying to remap most of my maps, and you gave ZERO reasoning for pretty much ALL of your suggestions. maybe one of the ones i rejected couldve been good, but you didnt explain to me why i should accept it or anything.

in the future, you should really try and figure out/think about what the mapper was/is doing, what its actually being mapped to, and actually give reasoning for your suggestions, especially when you give so many that are just completely baseless. sorry for sounding mean and ungrateful, it just really frustrated me.

anyway, sorry for the very late response, you two! thank you for your mods!!

5urface

196 posts

Joined December 2014

5urface 2016-06-06T07:23:43+00:00

I usually don't reply to mod answer but thought it was neccessary here: Yes, sry I could certainly have added more explanations but I tend to do that mainly where I think it really is needed, not on more (to me at least) obvious points. As you are new to Taiko mapping I should have probably done so. I apologize.
The main issue I had with your map was that many parts are simply mapped against the melody/pitch. While they might follow the drums, where kicks, snares and high hats are it felt really off in many places to me. While I tried to understand the reasoning behind why you placed them like they are in most cases I simply couldn't. Many of my later suggestion then were simply repetitions of previous ones due to song and difficulty repetition to stay consistent, hence the lack of explanations as they should be self explanatory.
There are some cases of a modder and mapper simply not fitting to each other due to wildly different mapping styles and expectations from a map. Seeing how I am devoted to melody mapping and you seem to be fond of mapping the drums that might be true here. I usually try not to mod maps that are entirely drum mapped but here I felt my suggestions would actually improve upon what you already had built, making the whole thing flow better and more interesting/pleasing to play. But well, seems like you didn't agree at all with me but that's very much your right as the mapper. I wish you the best of luck with your map in the future.

Surono

7,195 posts

Joined November 2013

Surono 2016-06-06T17:39:51+00:00

wat again, oh dem wall of text.. ululululu _____________________________________________________ >=|=(``)>

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-07T03:12:15+00:00

Surono wrote:
>Ayyri Inner
* well mapped but too bad if make style this diff with mostly finisher and repeating pattern (because its music? lol), I think pattern could be more filling as stream.
I point some necessary to be finisher ex: 00:12:038 - 00:14:912 - and similar sound like these, if you still like to keep it.. thats fine since instrument is really strong to make like that, but consindering it.. pattern could be more improved imo

I disagree with changing the finishers in the map. If I were to change one part to a stream, instead of finishers, I would have to change all of the other finishers as well. Because that would be changing what I was mapping to. I don't like to be inconsistent when mapping and go from melody to drums/kicks and then back. (But I understand when some songs kind of force that. ;; ) But in the future, I will see what other people say about this. (I know they have mentioned the use of the finishers to kogasa, but I feel that my difficulty should at least somewhat match the rhythm that he was mapping to, and he wants to keep those finishers in. And I will do the same.)

Surono

7,195 posts

Joined November 2013

Surono 2016-06-07T11:39:54+00:00

oh I see, my mistake.. theres sound have strong to mapped as finisher so well its fine. also you had long pattern and longer spacing for finisher
well is fair mapped, GL for you ayyri!

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-08T04:02:10+00:00

Surono wrote:
oh I see, my mistake.. theres sound have strong to mapped as finisher so well its fine. also you had long pattern and longer spacing for finisher
well is fair mapped, GL for you ayyri!

Thank you for your support, Surono. I am aware that there are some streams within my map, but they are the lesser parts of the melody. The finishers were to be used when the trumpet was all up in your face. Because it seems kind of odd to not have it stand out, when there is barely any background noise with it. And being consistent is key!

Jonarwhal

1,222 posts

Joined November 2013

Jonarwhal 2016-06-15T23:49:37+00:00

NM requested in-game

Inner Oni

00:04:852 (12) - K to match 00:04:493 (10) - this. (pattern repeats 00:39:343 (206) - )
00:10:600 (34,35,36,37,38) - dkdkk or ddkdk (pattern repeats 00:56:588 (313,314,315,316,317) - )
00:17:427 (79) - d, there's a noticeable pitch change 00:17:337 (78,79) - here.
00:58:385 (328,329,330) - What are you following here?

Kantan / Muzukashii

Kantan

00:20:660 (24,25,26) - kdd to match with 00:32:157 (39,40,41) - here.
00:50:840 (59) - k, it's the same as the pitch before it.

Futsuu

00:15:990 (26) - k, it's more similar to the pitch after it than before it
00:27:487 (46) - ^

Muzukashii

00:03:235 - The pause feels strange, consider adding something.
00:06:109 - ^

Muzukashii/Oni Harmony

00:27:217 (97) - Note on Muzukashii that isn't on Oni. Either remove it from Muzukashii or add it on Oni.
01:13:205 (268,269) - ^
01:13:654 (271) - ^
01:14:014 (273) - ^
01:14:732 (276) - ^

Oni

00:11:499 (36) - k
00:15:271 (49,50,51,52,53,54) - kdk kdk or dkd dkd, preferably dkd dkd to match 00:18:145 (64,65,66,67,68,69) - here.
00:22:996 (93,94,95,96,97) - kdkdk
00:27:307 (142) - k
00:34:493 (165,166,167,168,169) - kkdkk or kkddd
00:35:032 (191,192,193) - KDK to match the beginning
00:58:026 (307,308,309) - ^

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-16T00:03:10+00:00

Jonawaga wrote:
NM requested in-game

Inner Oni
00:04:852 (12) - K to match 00:04:493 (10) - this. (pattern repeats 00:39:343 (206) - ) Changed
00:10:600 (34,35,36,37,38) - dkdkk or ddkdk (pattern repeats 00:56:588 (313,314,315,316,317) - ) Changed.
00:17:427 (79) - d, there's a noticeable pitch change 00:17:337 (78,79) - here. Changed.
00:58:385 (328,329,330) - What are you following here? A similar pattern to 01:00:181 (341,342,343) -

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Stefan

Global Moderator

10,393 posts

Joined January 2011

Stefan 2016-06-16T02:10:44+00:00

Mod will happen tomorrow (hopefully)

[Ayyri's Inner Oni]

Chatlog

03:07 *Stefan is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/989534 ZUN - Ghost Lead [Ayyri's Inner Oni]]
03:08 Ayyri: o
03:08 Ayyri: it'sa time
03:08 Stefan: I'm going to mod the whole set but yeah, let's do yours as first
03:08 Ayyri: could you apply the update
03:08 Stefan: I will save the chatlog
03:08 Ayyri: i posted
03:08 Ayyri: on the forum
03:08 Ayyri: a little bit ago
03:08 Ayyri: before modding tho
03:08 Stefan: Ah
03:08 Stefan: Let me get it then
03:08 Ayyri: the mapset owner is asleep
03:08 Ayyri: so he can't update
03:08 Ayyri: sure thing
03:20 Stefan: 00:28:924 (153) - I'm not sure if you plan to have some "differences", comparing with the first section but I find kkddk plays much better than kkkdk does.
03:21 Ayyri: ah
03:21 Ayyri: yes, it actually does
03:22 Stefan: 00:26:409 (141,142,143,144,145) - Personal opinion: Since the first section is mapped like that (it's reasoned tho) you could make this more dense, also because the music offers the existing beats for it.
03:23 Stefan: like said, it's just my personal opinion. It's also okay how you did it.
03:23 Ayyri: i don't exactly agree, but i get what you're saying
03:24 Ayyri: if i wasn't trying to keep the kind of style kogasa had, this could possibly be a stream
03:24 Ayyri: but i don't think having something such as D d K k D d K (etc) would work
03:24 Ayyri: i think that would just be overly tedious to the player
03:26 Stefan: 00:49:582 (264) - it feels like the triplet after is stronger in its impact if you leave out the note before.
03:31 Ayyri: yes, that makes sense
03:31 Stefan: Did you thought about using some little SV in- and decreases?
03:32 Stefan: Like, they're really little but they could fit imo.
03:34 Ayyri: i kind of wanted
03:34 Ayyri: to implement such a thing
03:34 Ayyri: but there doesn't seem to really be a part where it's like
03:34 Ayyri: really needed?
03:38 Stefan: http://puu.sh/pujou/73bf811689.txt Use this
03:38 Stefan: for timing section
03:40 Ayyri: let me see how this goes
03:42 Ayyri: wow
03:42 Ayyri: these are really minor
03:43 Stefan: It has its impact
03:43 Stefan: even if it's small
03:43 Ayyri: i mean, i can see the change
03:43 Ayyri: yeah
03:43 Ayyri: and i don't mean minor as i dislike them btw
03:43 Ayyri: as in*
03:43 Stefan: yeye
03:43 Ayyri: ye
03:43 Ayyri: these work fine
03:44 Stefan: Just saying, I was like "mmmmmmm I want some SVs here"
03:44 Stefan: "because Svs are tasty"
03:44 Ayyri: aha
03:44 Stefan: "and they make everything 20% cooler
03:44 Stefan: "right, RD?`"
03:44 Ayyri: i enjoy sv changes
03:44 Stefan: "RIGHT!"
03:44 Ayyri: even if it's like
03:44 Stefan: I guess you can do them at 00:35:032 - by your own?
03:45 Ayyri: 2% slower
03:45 Ayyri: i want to put an sv change
03:45 Ayyri: do you mean just repeating the beginning part
03:45 Stefan: yes
03:45 Stefan: just for consistency sake
03:45 Ayyri: yeye
03:45 Stefan: that'd be weird to not having them there imo
03:46 Ayyri: so
03:46 Ayyri: even tho the sounds are slightly different
03:46 Ayyri: it'd still be right to have them start at the same point
03:46 Ayyri: 00:45:810 -
03:46 Ayyri: like they did at 00:11:319 -
03:46 Ayyri: right?
03:49 Stefan: ye
03:50 Ayyri: 00:40:241 (212,213,214,215,216) -
03:50 Ayyri: is 212 .91 214 .92 216 .93 217 .94 218 .95 fine
03:51 Stefan: Hmm
03:51 Stefan: No
03:52 Ayyri: i don't think there should be a point on 216
03:52 Ayyri: but it's kind of having the speed up like a second later
03:52 Ayyri: if it's not there
03:52 Stefan: 00:40:061 - .91 00:40:241 - .92 00:40:421 - .93 00:40:600 - .94 00:40:780 - .95
03:52 Ayyri: but it's not entirely noticable
03:52 Stefan: theoretically
03:52 Stefan: I'd leave .91 out tho
03:53 Ayyri: ok
03:55 Ayyri: 00:45:810 (236,237,238,239,240,241,242) -
03:55 Ayyri: for this should i just have it start at 00:45:810 (236) -
03:55 Stefan: yes
03:56 Ayyri: it looks so uneven
03:56 Ayyri: sljghsrl
03:56 Stefan: 01:03:415 (357) - d here, same reason like 00:28:924 (153) -
03:56 Ayyri: gotcha
03:58 Stefan: 00:10:600 (34,35,36,37,38) - did anyone said something about this?
03:58 Stefan: I can't play the ddkdk for my life.
03:59 Ayyri: ye
03:59 Ayyri: that's the pattern they suggested
03:59 Ayyri: it's dkdkk
03:59 Ayyri: ?
03:59 Stefan: Your map has some of them but except of this I can play any of them perfectly.
03:59 Stefan: tried kdkdk instead?
04:00 Stefan: Maybe it's just me
04:00 Stefan: but ddkdk hurts me here ;;
04:01 Stefan: and ye, that's it.
04:03 Ayyri: so
04:03 Ayyri: you dislike the dkdkk?
04:03 Stefan: yes
04:03 Stefan: very much
04:03 Ayyri: okay
04:03 Ayyri: yeah, dkdkd works fine
04:03 Ayyri: (honestly most patterns would work here imo)
04:03 Ayyri: depends on your play style
04:04 Stefan: well
04:04 Stefan: I had no problem with the rest of the map
04:05 Ayyri: \o/

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-16T02:28:57+00:00

Stefan wrote:
Mod will happen tomorrow (hopefully)

[Ayyri's Inner Oni]
Chatlog
03:07 *Stefan is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/989534 ZUN - Ghost Lead [Ayyri's Inner Oni]]
03:08 Ayyri: o
03:08 Ayyri: it'sa time
03:08 Stefan: I'm going to mod the whole set but yeah, let's do yours as first
03:08 Ayyri: could you apply the update
03:08 Stefan: I will save the chatlog
03:08 Ayyri: i posted
03:08 Ayyri: on the forum
03:08 Ayyri: a little bit ago
03:08 Ayyri: before modding tho
03:08 Stefan: Ah
03:08 Stefan: Let me get it then
03:08 Ayyri: the mapset owner is asleep
03:08 Ayyri: so he can't update
03:08 Ayyri: sure thing
03:20 Stefan: 00:28:924 (153) - I'm not sure if you plan to have some "differences", comparing with the first section but I find kkddk plays much better than kkkdk does.
03:21 Ayyri: ah
03:21 Ayyri: yes, it actually does
03:22 Stefan: 00:26:409 (141,142,143,144,145) - Personal opinion: Since the first section is mapped like that (it's reasoned tho) you could make this more dense, also because the music offers the existing beats for it.
03:23 Stefan: like said, it's just my personal opinion. It's also okay how you did it.
03:23 Ayyri: i don't exactly agree, but i get what you're saying
03:24 Ayyri: if i wasn't trying to keep the kind of style kogasa had, this could possibly be a stream
03:24 Ayyri: but i don't think having something such as D d K k D d K (etc) would work
03:24 Ayyri: i think that would just be overly tedious to the player
03:26 Stefan: 00:49:582 (264) - it feels like the triplet after is stronger in its impact if you leave out the note before.
03:31 Ayyri: yes, that makes sense
03:31 Stefan: Did you thought about using some little SV in- and decreases?
03:32 Stefan: Like, they're really little but they could fit imo.
03:34 Ayyri: i kind of wanted
03:34 Ayyri: to implement such a thing
03:34 Ayyri: but there doesn't seem to really be a part where it's like
03:34 Ayyri: really needed?
03:38 Stefan: http://puu.sh/pujou/73bf811689.txt Use this
03:38 Stefan: for timing section
03:40 Ayyri: let me see how this goes
03:42 Ayyri: wow
03:42 Ayyri: these are really minor
03:43 Stefan: It has its impact
03:43 Stefan: even if it's small
03:43 Ayyri: i mean, i can see the change
03:43 Ayyri: yeah
03:43 Ayyri: and i don't mean minor as i dislike them btw
03:43 Ayyri: as in*
03:43 Stefan: yeye
03:43 Ayyri: ye
03:43 Ayyri: these work fine
03:44 Stefan: Just saying, I was like "mmmmmmm I want some SVs here"
03:44 Stefan: "because Svs are tasty"
03:44 Ayyri: aha
03:44 Stefan: "and they make everything 20% cooler
03:44 Stefan: "right, RD?`"
03:44 Ayyri: i enjoy sv changes
03:44 Stefan: "RIGHT!"
03:44 Ayyri: even if it's like
03:44 Stefan: I guess you can do them at 00:35:032 - by your own?
03:45 Ayyri: 2% slower
03:45 Ayyri: i want to put an sv change
03:45 Ayyri: do you mean just repeating the beginning part
03:45 Stefan: yes
03:45 Stefan: just for consistency sake
03:45 Ayyri: yeye
03:45 Stefan: that'd be weird to not having them there imo
03:46 Ayyri: so
03:46 Ayyri: even tho the sounds are slightly different
03:46 Ayyri: it'd still be right to have them start at the same point
03:46 Ayyri: 00:45:810 -
03:46 Ayyri: like they did at 00:11:319 -
03:46 Ayyri: right?
03:49 Stefan: ye
03:50 Ayyri: 00:40:241 (212,213,214,215,216) -
03:50 Ayyri: is 212 .91 214 .92 216 .93 217 .94 218 .95 fine
03:51 Stefan: Hmm
03:51 Stefan: No
03:52 Ayyri: i don't think there should be a point on 216
03:52 Ayyri: but it's kind of having the speed up like a second later
03:52 Ayyri: if it's not there
03:52 Stefan: 00:40:061 - .91 00:40:241 - .92 00:40:421 - .93 00:40:600 - .94 00:40:780 - .95
03:52 Ayyri: but it's not entirely noticable
03:52 Stefan: theoretically
03:52 Stefan: I'd leave .91 out tho
03:53 Ayyri: ok
03:55 Ayyri: 00:45:810 (236,237,238,239,240,241,242) -
03:55 Ayyri: for this should i just have it start at 00:45:810 (236) -
03:55 Stefan: yes
03:56 Ayyri: it looks so uneven
03:56 Ayyri: sljghsrl
03:56 Stefan: 01:03:415 (357) - d here, same reason like 00:28:924 (153) -
03:56 Ayyri: gotcha
03:58 Stefan: 00:10:600 (34,35,36,37,38) - did anyone said something about this?
03:58 Stefan: I can't play the ddkdk for my life.
03:59 Ayyri: ye
03:59 Ayyri: that's the pattern they suggested
03:59 Ayyri: it's dkdkk
03:59 Ayyri: ?
03:59 Stefan: Your map has some of them but except of this I can play any of them perfectly.
03:59 Stefan: tried kdkdk instead?
04:00 Stefan: Maybe it's just me
04:00 Stefan: but ddkdk hurts me here ;;
04:01 Stefan: and ye, that's it.
04:03 Ayyri: so
04:03 Ayyri: you dislike the dkdkk?
04:03 Stefan: yes
04:03 Stefan: very much
04:03 Ayyri: okay
04:03 Ayyri: yeah, dkdkd works fine
04:03 Ayyri: (honestly most patterns would work here imo)
04:03 Ayyri: depends on your play style
04:04 Stefan: well
04:04 Stefan: I had no problem with the rest of the map
04:05 Ayyri: \o/

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kogasa_old_1

123 posts

Joined July 2011

Topic Starter

kogasa_old_1 2016-06-16T18:47:16+00:00

ok.

for some odd reason i cant post my reply to jonawaga's mod? lol
here it is in plain text form: http://puu.sh/pv6xX/466fcc80c5.txt

Okoratu

Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator

4,913 posts

Joined May 2012

Okoratu 2016-06-16T23:23:44+00:00

ayyri called me at 2 am to make sure i take a look here, so here's a very annoyed mod

[general]
fu ayyri
00:58:026 - that kiai triggers off here makes very little sense.
i'd also recommend to move the bg down a bit using

0,0,"clip (2016-05-30 at 05.52.15).png",0,35

[inner]
00:04:493 - would remove this finisher due to the other being the end of a triplet and K d K playing kinda uhh
00:08:624 - would suggest to crtlg this triplet so that it's kdd, mainly because 00:05:750 - has the same melody and is a k on there so that'd be consequent with mapping melody
00:05:750 - can u not do this ~_~, like having 2 with the same sv and then one SLIGHTLY faster looks a bit dumb, just remove this sv change and dw about it since it's an 1/1 break after anyways, i'd suggest to give 00:05:570 - like 0.92 then
00:10:600 - instead of doing the sv increase slowly over the course ofa stream i'd just jump from 0.95 to 1.0 here mainly because the melody doesn't build up slowly it kicks in spontaneously so a rough sv change would fit better
00:17:067 - finisher??? u had finishers on melodic impacts?
for things like the finisher pair of 00:12:038 - 00:12:756 - 00:13:475 - (and its repetitions) i think it'd be more fitting to go D K D instead of D K K, mainly because this melody seems to repeat so a pattern where downbeats have same kind of finisher would fit better imo
00:17:067 - btw if u make this a finisher you should do something about the next verse cuz its like D DD DD D D D KLASDFJS then
00:26:049 - i don't get the speedup here tbh, there's nothing special in fact zun is known for looping songs so why is this a speedup and 00:14:552 - isn't ?? would either make both one or just don't do it at all
00:39:702 - do .91 here and remove 00:40:421 - sv change for the same reason as previously
00:45:810 - fuck your sv changes tbh, this one doesn't even make sense like at all or with the previous one... actually i'd just suggest to do the same as for the previous speedup like this and move it to the prev downbeat and just use one sv change.
00:34:762 - 00:34:852 - tbh would just delete these 2 because the overlap with 00:35:032 - looks terrible
01:07:906 - 01:19:403 - i think the finishers have more impact if you don't suddenly break ur system... should delete this imo or add more 1/2 between the finishers, just doing it for one seems awfully inconsequent, either go full difference or no difference with these would seem more reasonable to me

its a small mod cuz fu

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-17T04:43:02+00:00

Okorin wrote:
ayyri called me at 2 am to make sure i take a look here, so here's a very annoyed mod i literally call you every time at 2am what do you MEAN

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fu ayyri ilu2 bby
00:58:026 - that kiai triggers off here makes very little sense. I will ask kogasa when he wakes up what he wants to change it to, if he does.
i'd also recommend to move the bg down a bit using looks good.
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00:04:493 - would remove this finisher due to the other being the end of a triplet and K d K playing kinda uhh that makes sense, removed.
00:08:624 - would suggest to crtlg this triplet so that it's kdd, mainly because 00:05:750 - has the same melody and is a k on there so that'd be consequent with mapping melody changed.
00:05:750 - can u not do this ~_~, like having 2 with the same sv and then one SLIGHTLY faster looks a bit dumb, just remove this sv change and dw about it since it's an 1/1 break after anyways, i'd suggest to give 00:05:570 - like 0.92 then alright, changed. albeit it looked and played okay when stefan suggested it.
00:10:600 - instead of doing the sv increase slowly over the course ofa stream i'd just jump from 0.95 to 1.0 here mainly because the melody doesn't build up slowly it kicks in spontaneously so a rough sv change would fit better alright, removed the sv changes here.
00:17:067 - finisher??? u had finishers on melodic impacts? having a finisher here feels a tad bit cramped with the patterns here, but i will add a finisher.
for things like the finisher pair of 00:12:038 - 00:12:756 - 00:13:475 - (and its repetitions) i think it'd be more fitting to go D K D instead of D K K, mainly because this melody seems to repeat so a pattern where downbeats have same kind of finisher would fit better imo I don't exactly see what you're saying here, being it's a pair. But you said D K K. Although, I think it sounds better, pair wise, to have D k kdk, since it repeats a lot.
00:17:067 - btw if u make this a finisher you should do something about the next verse cuz its like D DD DD D D D KLASDFJS then I removed the k at 00:17:337 - so it's easier to hit.
00:26:049 - i don't get the speedup here tbh, there's nothing special in fact zun is known for looping songs so why is this a speedup and 00:14:552 - isn't ?? would either make both one or just don't do it at all shit, I forgot to apply that after Stefan advised the one you mentioned. Thank you.
00:39:702 - do .91 here and remove 00:40:421 - sv change for the same reason as previously changed.
00:45:810 - fuck your sv changes tbh, this one doesn't even make sense like at all or with the previous one... actually i'd just suggest to do the same as for the previous speedup like this and move it to the prev downbeat and just use one sv change. I asked Stefan about this too when he said to apply it like the other one. But it's not like exactly the same pattern? So it couldn't be as even - but I do agree with having it as one change like I did with the previous point.
00:34:762 - 00:34:852 - tbh would just delete these 2 because the overlap with 00:35:032 - looks terrible removed.
01:07:906 - 01:19:403 - i think the finishers have more impact if you don't suddenly break ur system... should delete this imo or add more 1/2 between the finishers, just doing it for one seems awfully inconsequent, either go full difference or no difference with these would seem more reasonable to me The other finishers don't need 1/2 notes inbetween them, because the trumpet isn't subtly changing to a higher pitch between them. Where as at 01:07:906 - it is.

its a small mod cuz fu ilu2 bb

vince

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Stefan

Global Moderator

10,393 posts

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Stefan 2016-06-21T00:17:19+00:00

.

[Oni]
00:08:804 (30) - would be as d better, the trumpets are slighty deeper than 00:08:624 (29,31) - therefore I'd suggest d here.
00:12:397 (49,50,51,52,53,54) - The ooo ooo is somewhat weird to play, feels not that natural to me. What about moving the note to 00:13:115 - and make it as k? It sounds more reasoned since http://puu.sh/pzX2J/1e751afdc3.jpg would work the exact same like http://puu.sh/pzX1q/d06c43c293.jpg then.
00:15:720 (70) - pretty much the same, moving on 00:16:079 - .
00:17:067 (77,78,79,80,81,82,83) - kkddkkk works better imo, a simplier pattern and more fitting. kdkdkkk may be also fine though.
00:18:594 (89) - on 00:18:954 - . You could change it to d though, fitting with the previous dkd triplet.
00:21:469 (106) - on 00:21:828 - .
00:31:259 (166,167) - it has a more natural feeling by removing (166) and make (167) as d.

-Most of the upcoming things are the same like the first half, not going to mention them. I think you will be able to change them by your own.

00:56:588 (298,299,300) - I don't really understand the point of the break. I'd rather make 00:56:588 (298,299) - as kdkdk and remove (300) to have the break here, if urgently wanted.
01:17:786 (402,403) - Move them one tick before so you have kkddk k then, sounds by far better and more what you try to follow.

[Muzukashii]
00:12:397 (31,32,33,34) - Personally I feel the emphasis could be so much better. It's rather straight mapped than related to the music. What do you want to emphasize with 00:12:397 (31,33) - here? They sounds more like notes you added them for the sake of difficulty. My idea would be to remove (31,34) and move (33) like this: http://puu.sh/pA2nT/21800698f5.jpg
00:14:373 (39,41) - Same here, although you could leave (39) here, (41) definitely feels out of place.
00:14:912 - 00:17:786 - What about this?: http://puu.sh/pA2AN/645dec2ba2.jpg (marked notes do have finishers)
00:19:402 (62) - Sounds way better without that note.
00:21:379 (70,71) - (70) as D and (71) removal.
00:22:636 (76) - Doesn't really contributes a lot here and could be removed to make a longer break duration.
00:24:612 (85,86,87,88,89) - I see the intention of the pattern here, yet I think d kkd works better here.
00:26:409 (92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106) - Same as 00:14:912 - 00:17:786 - .
00:29:822 (110,118) - They don't really fit to the mapping you're following, you added some interesting rhythms but these notes definitely don't belong there.
00:32:876 (123,124) - (123) as D and (124) removal.

-2nd half pretty much provides the same issues, nothing new to say here-

[Futsuu]
00:23:535 (40,41,42) - That is pretty much the same like 00:12:038 (20,21,22) - , I don't really see the reason to make them different, you should keep them consistent and make K D K too.
00:31:798 (54,55,56,57,58,59) - should be d k k d d K, reference: 00:20:301 (34,35,36,37,38,39) -
00:46:169 (77,78,79,80) - This also could work as D K D, and (77) could be changed into k afterwards.
00:58:744 (99) - Just in case you apply to the change above, make this as K then.
01:04:493 (110) - ^
01:10:241 (119) - Make this as D, it's slighty deeper than the other two notes.

That one looks good, got to say.

[Kantan]
Basically it looks good, however I'd suggest to use more single-colour or k-d-k pattern on some places.

00:00:541 (1,2,3) - make this as k d k.
00:06:289 (8,9,10) - ^
00:12:038 (13,14,15) - What about removing (14) and make (15) as K then?
00:20:660 (24,25,26) - make this as ddd.
00:26:409 (31,32,33) - make this as kkk.
00:23:535 (28,29,30) - similar to 00:12:038 (13,14,15) this could work as K x D combo.
00:32:157 (39,40,41) - make this as ddd.

Yeah, and rest is pretty similar. The intention is to have more simple colour combinations to make it a little bit easier since the dense compared to the Futsuu is slighty lower but not that too much.

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-21T02:17:27+00:00

Stefan wrote:
Futsuu
to-be-added, Ayyri wanted to play some Orange Juice.

yesyesyes

kogasa_old_1

123 posts

Joined July 2011

Topic Starter

kogasa_old_1 2016-06-22T17:50:11+00:00

Stefan wrote:
.

[Oni]
00:08:804 (30) - would be as d better, the trumpets are slighty deeper than 00:08:624 (29,31) - therefore I'd suggest d here. / it's k since it lands on the high hat, not based on the trumpet
00:12:397 (49,50,51,52,53,54) - The ooo ooo is somewhat weird to play, feels not that natural to me. What about moving the note to 00:13:115 - and make it as k? It sounds more reasoned since http://puu.sh/pzX2J/1e751afdc3.jpg would work the exact same like http://puu.sh/pzX1q/d06c43c293.jpg then. / i tried to rearrange it like this and in different ways but it just didnt sound right to me. i felt like i was missing a lot of beats and it just didnt feel as fitting to the actual song ;; it think itll still play fine as it is now, though.
00:15:720 (70) - pretty much the same, moving on 00:16:079 - . / ^
00:17:067 (77,78,79,80,81,82,83) - kkddkkk works better imo, a simplier pattern and more fitting. kdkdkkk may be also fine though. / changed to kdkdkkk! works much better
00:18:594 (89) - on 00:18:954 - . You could change it to d though, fitting with the previous dkd triplet. / this really didnt fit the percussion to me ;;
00:21:469 (106) - on 00:21:828 - . / ^
00:31:259 (166,167) - it has a more natural feeling by removing (166) and make (167) as d. / it felt really empty to me, so i left it as it is

-Most of the upcoming things are the same like the first half, not going to mention them. I think you will be able to change them by your own.

00:56:588 (298,299,300) - I don't really understand the point of the break. I'd rather make 00:56:588 (298,299) - as kdkdk and remove (300) to have the break here, if urgently wanted. / applied!
01:17:786 (402,403) - Move them one tick before so you have kkddk k then, sounds by far better and more what you try to follow. / applied!

[Muzukashii]
00:12:397 (31,32,33,34) - Personally I feel the emphasis could be so much better. It's rather straight mapped than related to the music. What do you want to emphasize with 00:12:397 (31,33) - here? They sounds more like notes you added them for the sake of difficulty. My idea would be to remove (31,34) and move (33) like this: http://puu.sh/pA2nT/21800698f5.jpg
00:14:373 (39,41) - Same here, although you could leave (39) here, (41) definitely feels out of place.
00:14:912 - 00:17:786 - What about this?: http://puu.sh/pA2AN/645dec2ba2.jpg (marked notes do have finishers)
00:19:402 (62) - Sounds way better without that note.
00:21:379 (70,71) - (70) as D and (71) removal.
00:22:636 (76) - Doesn't really contributes a lot here and could be removed to make a longer break duration.
00:24:612 (85,86,87,88,89) - I see the intention of the pattern here, yet I think d kkd works better here.
00:26:409 (92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106) - Same as 00:14:912 - 00:17:786 - .
00:29:822 (110,118) - They don't really fit to the mapping you're following, you added some interesting rhythms but these notes definitely don't belong there.
00:32:876 (123,124) - (123) as D and (124) removal.

-2nd half pretty much provides the same issues, nothing new to say here-

/ ok so i ended up pretty much remapping most of the muzukashii based on your suggestions and self modding. i dont remember which ones i applied/used since i worked on it for a while but it helped a lot!

[Futsuu]
to-be-added, Ayyri wanted to play some Orange Juice.

thank you very much for your mod!! <3

roufou

966 posts

Joined September 2011

roufou 2016-06-29T02:09:03+00:00

I was told to MOD the inner, so I will

00:25:690 - I much prefer this as ddk, I don't know but something near the kdk k d kdk kdd part bothers me
00:30:540 - should be a fairly obvious k to me I think
00:48:684 - I feel like ddk here too
01:00:181 - ^
01:05:930 - maybe kdk or ddk

sorry for the few suggestions, I feel like the parts where I talked about kdk k d kdk kdd could use some changing somewhere but besides that it looks good

Last edited by roufou 2016-06-29T02:33:43+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-29T02:33:04+00:00

agu wrote:
I was told to map the inner, so I will thanks bb :3

00:25:690 - I much prefer this as ddk, I don't know but something near the kdk k d kdk kdd part bothers me It's the preference of the player, so either works fine here.
00:30:540 - should be a fairly obvious k to me I think Changed.
00:48:684 - I feel like ddk here too Changed.
01:00:181 - ^ Changed.
01:05:930 - maybe kdk or ddk I think kdk could work here. ddk sounds weird with the kkd afterwards.

sorry for the few suggestions, I feel like the parts where I talked about kdk k d kdk kdd could use some changing somewhere but besides that it looks good Thank you for the mod. :3

Vince

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OzzyOzrock

5,185 posts

Joined August 2010

OzzyOzrock 2016-07-08T23:49:11+00:00

Hi I'm here to exert cruelty.

General - 00:46:529 to 00:58:026 This doesn't seem like the right kiai time. If 01:09:523 to 01:21:020 is kiai time, then why wouldn't 00:58:026 to 01:09:523 be it?
Oni - Can't say I really understand why you choose to use these short patterns (00:12:397 (49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57) - ) for the whole song. I don't see how it fits anything in the song. You're better off actually following the song, stopping when it stops, etc. ...normal mapping?
Muzukashii - Why do you have... a LOT of melodies mapped completely different on this diff? 01:18:505 (277,278,279,280) - is just one example, but many times it happens that Oni and Muzu conflict in note color choices. Rhythms are also really different, like 01:14:373 (259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268) - has this normal rhythm, but Oni has a bunch of triplets?
Futsuu - Spread suffers big here. It's a common error that Muzukashii is similar to Oni, and Futsuu is similar to Kantan. Considering how the diffs look, you'll likely have to make adjustments to both Muzu AND Futsuu. For sure Futsuu needs more notes overall, with less breaks and more usage of 1/2.
Kantan is solid. It's a good base diff, the only downside is that its simplicity will give you a tougher time making spread since it's more difficulty drop/increase as you rise in difficulties.
Ayyri - The speed-ups are so small that they don't really contribute much to the song. Especially considering they completely die out later in the map. 00:49:403 (260,261,262,263,264,265) - I don't like this island, since it's literally the ONLY island. No other part seems similarly mapped.

Just a poke.

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-07-10T04:01:09+00:00

OzzyOzrock wrote:
Hi I'm here to exert cruelty. "Stop making me look like a nice BN."
Ayyri - The speed-ups are so small that they don't really contribute much to the song. Especially considering they completely die out later in the map. 00:49:403 (260,261,262,263,264,265) - I don't like this island, since it's literally the ONLY island. No other part seems similarly mapped. I added a d at 00:49:582 - to fill up the pattern there a bit. Also removed the really minor speed ups, since I frankly don't think that they're needed.
Just a poke. Touch later, thanks. (^:

v i n c e

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Backfire

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Backfire 2016-07-10T05:17:21+00:00

Ayyri's Inner Oni -
00:14:193 - I believe you could make this a ddk, it flows better and just sounds better. I dunno how else to explain, theres probably some legit reason it sounds better but yeah.
00:18:684 - kkd k? I really am not a huge fan of like the mono-color stuff with random 1/4 patterns. It can be nicely structured

00:49:582 - k ddk for flow? Ya feel? A little too much red without the kats in the red ticks.

Alright! That's it.

I'll mod the rest later but Ari wanted me to do hers a little sooner

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-07-10T15:43:15+00:00

Backfire wrote:
Ayyri's Inner Oni -
00:14:193 - I believe you could make this a ddk, it flows better and just sounds better. I dunno how else to explain, theres probably some legit reason it sounds better but yeah. Changed.
00:18:684 - kkd k? I really am not a huge fan of like the mono-color stuff with random 1/4 patterns. It can be nicely structured Changed.
00:49:582 - k ddk for flow? Ya feel? A little too much red without the kats in the red ticks. Changed.

Alright! That's it.

I'll mod the rest later but Ari wanted me to do hers a little sooner Thanks bb. :3

v i n c e

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kogasa_old_1

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kogasa_old_1 2016-07-11T02:25:33+00:00

OzzyOzrock wrote:
Hi I'm here to exert cruelty.

General - 00:46:529 to 00:58:026 This doesn't seem like the right kiai time. If 01:09:523 to 01:21:020 is kiai time, then why wouldn't 00:58:026 to 01:09:523 be it?

Oni - Can't say I really understand why you choose to use these short patterns (00:12:397 (49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57) - ) for the whole song. I don't see how it fits anything in the song. You're better off actually following the song, stopping when it stops, etc. ...normal mapping?

Muzukashii - Why do you have... a LOT of melodies mapped completely different on this diff? 01:18:505 (277,278,279,280) - is just one example, but many times it happens that Oni and Muzu conflict in note color choices. Rhythms are also really different, like 01:14:373 (259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268) - has this normal rhythm, but Oni has a bunch of triplets?

Futsuu - Spread suffers big here. It's a common error that Muzukashii is similar to Oni, and Futsuu is similar to Kantan. Considering how the diffs look, you'll likely have to make adjustments to both Muzu AND Futsuu. For sure Futsuu needs more notes overall, with less breaks and more usage of 1/2.

Kantan is solid. It's a good base diff, the only downside is that its simplicity will give you a tougher time making spread since it's more difficulty drop/increase as you rise in difficulties.

Ayyri - The speed-ups are so small that they don't really contribute much to the song. Especially considering they completely die out later in the map. 00:49:403 (260,261,262,263,264,265) - I don't like this island, since it's literally the ONLY island. No other part seems similarly mapped.

Just a poke.

hi hi hi sorry for not replying sooner!! just letting you know since i'm gonna make some heavy changes that i can't do it all in one sitting, so i cant give a proper reply, and i didnt want you to think i was ignoring the mod or went and applied the mod without saying anything.

i'll probably apply/change all the things you mentioned, though. so thank you very very much for the poke!!

will be updating the map + applying ari's changes/updates soon.

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