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ZUN - Ghost Lead [Taiko]

posted 2016-05-27T14:25:15+00:00

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Surono

7,195 posts

Joined November 2013

Surono 2016-06-06T17:39:51+00:00

wat again, oh dem wall of text.. ululululu _____________________________________________________ >=|=(``)>

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-07T03:12:15+00:00

Surono wrote:
>Ayyri Inner
* well mapped but too bad if make style this diff with mostly finisher and repeating pattern (because its music? lol), I think pattern could be more filling as stream.
I point some necessary to be finisher ex: 00:12:038 - 00:14:912 - and similar sound like these, if you still like to keep it.. thats fine since instrument is really strong to make like that, but consindering it.. pattern could be more improved imo

I disagree with changing the finishers in the map. If I were to change one part to a stream, instead of finishers, I would have to change all of the other finishers as well. Because that would be changing what I was mapping to. I don't like to be inconsistent when mapping and go from melody to drums/kicks and then back. (But I understand when some songs kind of force that. ;; ) But in the future, I will see what other people say about this. (I know they have mentioned the use of the finishers to kogasa, but I feel that my difficulty should at least somewhat match the rhythm that he was mapping to, and he wants to keep those finishers in. And I will do the same.)

Surono

7,195 posts

Joined November 2013

Surono 2016-06-07T11:39:54+00:00

oh I see, my mistake.. theres sound have strong to mapped as finisher so well its fine. also you had long pattern and longer spacing for finisher
well is fair mapped, GL for you ayyri!

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-08T04:02:10+00:00

Surono wrote:
oh I see, my mistake.. theres sound have strong to mapped as finisher so well its fine. also you had long pattern and longer spacing for finisher
well is fair mapped, GL for you ayyri!

Thank you for your support, Surono. I am aware that there are some streams within my map, but they are the lesser parts of the melody. The finishers were to be used when the trumpet was all up in your face. Because it seems kind of odd to not have it stand out, when there is barely any background noise with it. And being consistent is key!

Jonarwhal

1,216 posts

Joined November 2013

Jonarwhal 2016-06-15T23:49:37+00:00

NM requested in-game

Inner Oni

00:04:852 (12) - K to match 00:04:493 (10) - this. (pattern repeats 00:39:343 (206) - )
00:10:600 (34,35,36,37,38) - dkdkk or ddkdk (pattern repeats 00:56:588 (313,314,315,316,317) - )
00:17:427 (79) - d, there's a noticeable pitch change 00:17:337 (78,79) - here.
00:58:385 (328,329,330) - What are you following here?

Kantan / Muzukashii

Kantan

00:20:660 (24,25,26) - kdd to match with 00:32:157 (39,40,41) - here.
00:50:840 (59) - k, it's the same as the pitch before it.

Futsuu

00:15:990 (26) - k, it's more similar to the pitch after it than before it
00:27:487 (46) - ^

Muzukashii

00:03:235 - The pause feels strange, consider adding something.
00:06:109 - ^

Muzukashii/Oni Harmony

00:27:217 (97) - Note on Muzukashii that isn't on Oni. Either remove it from Muzukashii or add it on Oni.
01:13:205 (268,269) - ^
01:13:654 (271) - ^
01:14:014 (273) - ^
01:14:732 (276) - ^

Oni

00:11:499 (36) - k
00:15:271 (49,50,51,52,53,54) - kdk kdk or dkd dkd, preferably dkd dkd to match 00:18:145 (64,65,66,67,68,69) - here.
00:22:996 (93,94,95,96,97) - kdkdk
00:27:307 (142) - k
00:34:493 (165,166,167,168,169) - kkdkk or kkddd
00:35:032 (191,192,193) - KDK to match the beginning
00:58:026 (307,308,309) - ^

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-16T00:03:10+00:00

Jonawaga wrote:
NM requested in-game

Inner Oni
00:04:852 (12) - K to match 00:04:493 (10) - this. (pattern repeats 00:39:343 (206) - ) Changed
00:10:600 (34,35,36,37,38) - dkdkk or ddkdk (pattern repeats 00:56:588 (313,314,315,316,317) - ) Changed.
00:17:427 (79) - d, there's a noticeable pitch change 00:17:337 (78,79) - here. Changed.
00:58:385 (328,329,330) - What are you following here? A similar pattern to 01:00:181 (341,342,343) -

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Stefan

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Stefan 2016-06-16T02:10:44+00:00

Mod will happen tomorrow (hopefully)

[Ayyri's Inner Oni]

Chatlog

03:07 *Stefan is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/989534 ZUN - Ghost Lead [Ayyri's Inner Oni]]
03:08 Ayyri: o
03:08 Ayyri: it'sa time
03:08 Stefan: I'm going to mod the whole set but yeah, let's do yours as first
03:08 Ayyri: could you apply the update
03:08 Stefan: I will save the chatlog
03:08 Ayyri: i posted
03:08 Ayyri: on the forum
03:08 Ayyri: a little bit ago
03:08 Ayyri: before modding tho
03:08 Stefan: Ah
03:08 Stefan: Let me get it then
03:08 Ayyri: the mapset owner is asleep
03:08 Ayyri: so he can't update
03:08 Ayyri: sure thing
03:20 Stefan: 00:28:924 (153) - I'm not sure if you plan to have some "differences", comparing with the first section but I find kkddk plays much better than kkkdk does.
03:21 Ayyri: ah
03:21 Ayyri: yes, it actually does
03:22 Stefan: 00:26:409 (141,142,143,144,145) - Personal opinion: Since the first section is mapped like that (it's reasoned tho) you could make this more dense, also because the music offers the existing beats for it.
03:23 Stefan: like said, it's just my personal opinion. It's also okay how you did it.
03:23 Ayyri: i don't exactly agree, but i get what you're saying
03:24 Ayyri: if i wasn't trying to keep the kind of style kogasa had, this could possibly be a stream
03:24 Ayyri: but i don't think having something such as D d K k D d K (etc) would work
03:24 Ayyri: i think that would just be overly tedious to the player
03:26 Stefan: 00:49:582 (264) - it feels like the triplet after is stronger in its impact if you leave out the note before.
03:31 Ayyri: yes, that makes sense
03:31 Stefan: Did you thought about using some little SV in- and decreases?
03:32 Stefan: Like, they're really little but they could fit imo.
03:34 Ayyri: i kind of wanted
03:34 Ayyri: to implement such a thing
03:34 Ayyri: but there doesn't seem to really be a part where it's like
03:34 Ayyri: really needed?
03:38 Stefan: http://puu.sh/pujou/73bf811689.txt Use this
03:38 Stefan: for timing section
03:40 Ayyri: let me see how this goes
03:42 Ayyri: wow
03:42 Ayyri: these are really minor
03:43 Stefan: It has its impact
03:43 Stefan: even if it's small
03:43 Ayyri: i mean, i can see the change
03:43 Ayyri: yeah
03:43 Ayyri: and i don't mean minor as i dislike them btw
03:43 Ayyri: as in*
03:43 Stefan: yeye
03:43 Ayyri: ye
03:43 Ayyri: these work fine
03:44 Stefan: Just saying, I was like "mmmmmmm I want some SVs here"
03:44 Stefan: "because Svs are tasty"
03:44 Ayyri: aha
03:44 Stefan: "and they make everything 20% cooler
03:44 Stefan: "right, RD?`"
03:44 Ayyri: i enjoy sv changes
03:44 Stefan: "RIGHT!"
03:44 Ayyri: even if it's like
03:44 Stefan: I guess you can do them at 00:35:032 - by your own?
03:45 Ayyri: 2% slower
03:45 Ayyri: i want to put an sv change
03:45 Ayyri: do you mean just repeating the beginning part
03:45 Stefan: yes
03:45 Stefan: just for consistency sake
03:45 Ayyri: yeye
03:45 Stefan: that'd be weird to not having them there imo
03:46 Ayyri: so
03:46 Ayyri: even tho the sounds are slightly different
03:46 Ayyri: it'd still be right to have them start at the same point
03:46 Ayyri: 00:45:810 -
03:46 Ayyri: like they did at 00:11:319 -
03:46 Ayyri: right?
03:49 Stefan: ye
03:50 Ayyri: 00:40:241 (212,213,214,215,216) -
03:50 Ayyri: is 212 .91 214 .92 216 .93 217 .94 218 .95 fine
03:51 Stefan: Hmm
03:51 Stefan: No
03:52 Ayyri: i don't think there should be a point on 216
03:52 Ayyri: but it's kind of having the speed up like a second later
03:52 Ayyri: if it's not there
03:52 Stefan: 00:40:061 - .91 00:40:241 - .92 00:40:421 - .93 00:40:600 - .94 00:40:780 - .95
03:52 Ayyri: but it's not entirely noticable
03:52 Stefan: theoretically
03:52 Stefan: I'd leave .91 out tho
03:53 Ayyri: ok
03:55 Ayyri: 00:45:810 (236,237,238,239,240,241,242) -
03:55 Ayyri: for this should i just have it start at 00:45:810 (236) -
03:55 Stefan: yes
03:56 Ayyri: it looks so uneven
03:56 Ayyri: sljghsrl
03:56 Stefan: 01:03:415 (357) - d here, same reason like 00:28:924 (153) -
03:56 Ayyri: gotcha
03:58 Stefan: 00:10:600 (34,35,36,37,38) - did anyone said something about this?
03:58 Stefan: I can't play the ddkdk for my life.
03:59 Ayyri: ye
03:59 Ayyri: that's the pattern they suggested
03:59 Ayyri: it's dkdkk
03:59 Ayyri: ?
03:59 Stefan: Your map has some of them but except of this I can play any of them perfectly.
03:59 Stefan: tried kdkdk instead?
04:00 Stefan: Maybe it's just me
04:00 Stefan: but ddkdk hurts me here ;;
04:01 Stefan: and ye, that's it.
04:03 Ayyri: so
04:03 Ayyri: you dislike the dkdkk?
04:03 Stefan: yes
04:03 Stefan: very much
04:03 Ayyri: okay
04:03 Ayyri: yeah, dkdkd works fine
04:03 Ayyri: (honestly most patterns would work here imo)
04:03 Ayyri: depends on your play style
04:04 Stefan: well
04:04 Stefan: I had no problem with the rest of the map
04:05 Ayyri: \o/

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-16T02:28:57+00:00

Stefan wrote:
Mod will happen tomorrow (hopefully)

[Ayyri's Inner Oni]
Chatlog
03:07 *Stefan is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/989534 ZUN - Ghost Lead [Ayyri's Inner Oni]]
03:08 Ayyri: o
03:08 Ayyri: it'sa time
03:08 Stefan: I'm going to mod the whole set but yeah, let's do yours as first
03:08 Ayyri: could you apply the update
03:08 Stefan: I will save the chatlog
03:08 Ayyri: i posted
03:08 Ayyri: on the forum
03:08 Ayyri: a little bit ago
03:08 Ayyri: before modding tho
03:08 Stefan: Ah
03:08 Stefan: Let me get it then
03:08 Ayyri: the mapset owner is asleep
03:08 Ayyri: so he can't update
03:08 Ayyri: sure thing
03:20 Stefan: 00:28:924 (153) - I'm not sure if you plan to have some "differences", comparing with the first section but I find kkddk plays much better than kkkdk does.
03:21 Ayyri: ah
03:21 Ayyri: yes, it actually does
03:22 Stefan: 00:26:409 (141,142,143,144,145) - Personal opinion: Since the first section is mapped like that (it's reasoned tho) you could make this more dense, also because the music offers the existing beats for it.
03:23 Stefan: like said, it's just my personal opinion. It's also okay how you did it.
03:23 Ayyri: i don't exactly agree, but i get what you're saying
03:24 Ayyri: if i wasn't trying to keep the kind of style kogasa had, this could possibly be a stream
03:24 Ayyri: but i don't think having something such as D d K k D d K (etc) would work
03:24 Ayyri: i think that would just be overly tedious to the player
03:26 Stefan: 00:49:582 (264) - it feels like the triplet after is stronger in its impact if you leave out the note before.
03:31 Ayyri: yes, that makes sense
03:31 Stefan: Did you thought about using some little SV in- and decreases?
03:32 Stefan: Like, they're really little but they could fit imo.
03:34 Ayyri: i kind of wanted
03:34 Ayyri: to implement such a thing
03:34 Ayyri: but there doesn't seem to really be a part where it's like
03:34 Ayyri: really needed?
03:38 Stefan: http://puu.sh/pujou/73bf811689.txt Use this
03:38 Stefan: for timing section
03:40 Ayyri: let me see how this goes
03:42 Ayyri: wow
03:42 Ayyri: these are really minor
03:43 Stefan: It has its impact
03:43 Stefan: even if it's small
03:43 Ayyri: i mean, i can see the change
03:43 Ayyri: yeah
03:43 Ayyri: and i don't mean minor as i dislike them btw
03:43 Ayyri: as in*
03:43 Stefan: yeye
03:43 Ayyri: ye
03:43 Ayyri: these work fine
03:44 Stefan: Just saying, I was like "mmmmmmm I want some SVs here"
03:44 Stefan: "because Svs are tasty"
03:44 Ayyri: aha
03:44 Stefan: "and they make everything 20% cooler
03:44 Stefan: "right, RD?`"
03:44 Ayyri: i enjoy sv changes
03:44 Stefan: "RIGHT!"
03:44 Ayyri: even if it's like
03:44 Stefan: I guess you can do them at 00:35:032 - by your own?
03:45 Ayyri: 2% slower
03:45 Ayyri: i want to put an sv change
03:45 Ayyri: do you mean just repeating the beginning part
03:45 Stefan: yes
03:45 Stefan: just for consistency sake
03:45 Ayyri: yeye
03:45 Stefan: that'd be weird to not having them there imo
03:46 Ayyri: so
03:46 Ayyri: even tho the sounds are slightly different
03:46 Ayyri: it'd still be right to have them start at the same point
03:46 Ayyri: 00:45:810 -
03:46 Ayyri: like they did at 00:11:319 -
03:46 Ayyri: right?
03:49 Stefan: ye
03:50 Ayyri: 00:40:241 (212,213,214,215,216) -
03:50 Ayyri: is 212 .91 214 .92 216 .93 217 .94 218 .95 fine
03:51 Stefan: Hmm
03:51 Stefan: No
03:52 Ayyri: i don't think there should be a point on 216
03:52 Ayyri: but it's kind of having the speed up like a second later
03:52 Ayyri: if it's not there
03:52 Stefan: 00:40:061 - .91 00:40:241 - .92 00:40:421 - .93 00:40:600 - .94 00:40:780 - .95
03:52 Ayyri: but it's not entirely noticable
03:52 Stefan: theoretically
03:52 Stefan: I'd leave .91 out tho
03:53 Ayyri: ok
03:55 Ayyri: 00:45:810 (236,237,238,239,240,241,242) -
03:55 Ayyri: for this should i just have it start at 00:45:810 (236) -
03:55 Stefan: yes
03:56 Ayyri: it looks so uneven
03:56 Ayyri: sljghsrl
03:56 Stefan: 01:03:415 (357) - d here, same reason like 00:28:924 (153) -
03:56 Ayyri: gotcha
03:58 Stefan: 00:10:600 (34,35,36,37,38) - did anyone said something about this?
03:58 Stefan: I can't play the ddkdk for my life.
03:59 Ayyri: ye
03:59 Ayyri: that's the pattern they suggested
03:59 Ayyri: it's dkdkk
03:59 Ayyri: ?
03:59 Stefan: Your map has some of them but except of this I can play any of them perfectly.
03:59 Stefan: tried kdkdk instead?
04:00 Stefan: Maybe it's just me
04:00 Stefan: but ddkdk hurts me here ;;
04:01 Stefan: and ye, that's it.
04:03 Ayyri: so
04:03 Ayyri: you dislike the dkdkk?
04:03 Stefan: yes
04:03 Stefan: very much
04:03 Ayyri: okay
04:03 Ayyri: yeah, dkdkd works fine
04:03 Ayyri: (honestly most patterns would work here imo)
04:03 Ayyri: depends on your play style
04:04 Stefan: well
04:04 Stefan: I had no problem with the rest of the map
04:05 Ayyri: \o/

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kogasa_old_1

123 posts

Joined July 2011

Topic Starter

kogasa_old_1 2016-06-16T18:47:16+00:00

ok.

for some odd reason i cant post my reply to jonawaga's mod? lol
here it is in plain text form: http://puu.sh/pv6xX/466fcc80c5.txt

Okoratu

Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator

4,913 posts

Joined May 2012

Okoratu 2016-06-16T23:23:44+00:00

ayyri called me at 2 am to make sure i take a look here, so here's a very annoyed mod

[general]
fu ayyri
00:58:026 - that kiai triggers off here makes very little sense.
i'd also recommend to move the bg down a bit using

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[inner]
00:04:493 - would remove this finisher due to the other being the end of a triplet and K d K playing kinda uhh
00:08:624 - would suggest to crtlg this triplet so that it's kdd, mainly because 00:05:750 - has the same melody and is a k on there so that'd be consequent with mapping melody
00:05:750 - can u not do this ~_~, like having 2 with the same sv and then one SLIGHTLY faster looks a bit dumb, just remove this sv change and dw about it since it's an 1/1 break after anyways, i'd suggest to give 00:05:570 - like 0.92 then
00:10:600 - instead of doing the sv increase slowly over the course ofa stream i'd just jump from 0.95 to 1.0 here mainly because the melody doesn't build up slowly it kicks in spontaneously so a rough sv change would fit better
00:17:067 - finisher??? u had finishers on melodic impacts?
for things like the finisher pair of 00:12:038 - 00:12:756 - 00:13:475 - (and its repetitions) i think it'd be more fitting to go D K D instead of D K K, mainly because this melody seems to repeat so a pattern where downbeats have same kind of finisher would fit better imo
00:17:067 - btw if u make this a finisher you should do something about the next verse cuz its like D DD DD D D D KLASDFJS then
00:26:049 - i don't get the speedup here tbh, there's nothing special in fact zun is known for looping songs so why is this a speedup and 00:14:552 - isn't ?? would either make both one or just don't do it at all
00:39:702 - do .91 here and remove 00:40:421 - sv change for the same reason as previously
00:45:810 - fuck your sv changes tbh, this one doesn't even make sense like at all or with the previous one... actually i'd just suggest to do the same as for the previous speedup like this and move it to the prev downbeat and just use one sv change.
00:34:762 - 00:34:852 - tbh would just delete these 2 because the overlap with 00:35:032 - looks terrible
01:07:906 - 01:19:403 - i think the finishers have more impact if you don't suddenly break ur system... should delete this imo or add more 1/2 between the finishers, just doing it for one seems awfully inconsequent, either go full difference or no difference with these would seem more reasonable to me

its a small mod cuz fu

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-17T04:43:02+00:00

Okorin wrote:
ayyri called me at 2 am to make sure i take a look here, so here's a very annoyed mod i literally call you every time at 2am what do you MEAN

[general]
fu ayyri ilu2 bby
00:58:026 - that kiai triggers off here makes very little sense. I will ask kogasa when he wakes up what he wants to change it to, if he does.
i'd also recommend to move the bg down a bit using looks good.
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[inner]
00:04:493 - would remove this finisher due to the other being the end of a triplet and K d K playing kinda uhh that makes sense, removed.
00:08:624 - would suggest to crtlg this triplet so that it's kdd, mainly because 00:05:750 - has the same melody and is a k on there so that'd be consequent with mapping melody changed.
00:05:750 - can u not do this ~_~, like having 2 with the same sv and then one SLIGHTLY faster looks a bit dumb, just remove this sv change and dw about it since it's an 1/1 break after anyways, i'd suggest to give 00:05:570 - like 0.92 then alright, changed. albeit it looked and played okay when stefan suggested it.
00:10:600 - instead of doing the sv increase slowly over the course ofa stream i'd just jump from 0.95 to 1.0 here mainly because the melody doesn't build up slowly it kicks in spontaneously so a rough sv change would fit better alright, removed the sv changes here.
00:17:067 - finisher??? u had finishers on melodic impacts? having a finisher here feels a tad bit cramped with the patterns here, but i will add a finisher.
for things like the finisher pair of 00:12:038 - 00:12:756 - 00:13:475 - (and its repetitions) i think it'd be more fitting to go D K D instead of D K K, mainly because this melody seems to repeat so a pattern where downbeats have same kind of finisher would fit better imo I don't exactly see what you're saying here, being it's a pair. But you said D K K. Although, I think it sounds better, pair wise, to have D k kdk, since it repeats a lot.
00:17:067 - btw if u make this a finisher you should do something about the next verse cuz its like D DD DD D D D KLASDFJS then I removed the k at 00:17:337 - so it's easier to hit.
00:26:049 - i don't get the speedup here tbh, there's nothing special in fact zun is known for looping songs so why is this a speedup and 00:14:552 - isn't ?? would either make both one or just don't do it at all shit, I forgot to apply that after Stefan advised the one you mentioned. Thank you.
00:39:702 - do .91 here and remove 00:40:421 - sv change for the same reason as previously changed.
00:45:810 - fuck your sv changes tbh, this one doesn't even make sense like at all or with the previous one... actually i'd just suggest to do the same as for the previous speedup like this and move it to the prev downbeat and just use one sv change. I asked Stefan about this too when he said to apply it like the other one. But it's not like exactly the same pattern? So it couldn't be as even - but I do agree with having it as one change like I did with the previous point.
00:34:762 - 00:34:852 - tbh would just delete these 2 because the overlap with 00:35:032 - looks terrible removed.
01:07:906 - 01:19:403 - i think the finishers have more impact if you don't suddenly break ur system... should delete this imo or add more 1/2 between the finishers, just doing it for one seems awfully inconsequent, either go full difference or no difference with these would seem more reasonable to me The other finishers don't need 1/2 notes inbetween them, because the trumpet isn't subtly changing to a higher pitch between them. Where as at 01:07:906 - it is.

its a small mod cuz fu ilu2 bb

vince

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Stefan

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Stefan 2016-06-21T00:17:19+00:00

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[Oni]
00:08:804 (30) - would be as d better, the trumpets are slighty deeper than 00:08:624 (29,31) - therefore I'd suggest d here.
00:12:397 (49,50,51,52,53,54) - The ooo ooo is somewhat weird to play, feels not that natural to me. What about moving the note to 00:13:115 - and make it as k? It sounds more reasoned since http://puu.sh/pzX2J/1e751afdc3.jpg would work the exact same like http://puu.sh/pzX1q/d06c43c293.jpg then.
00:15:720 (70) - pretty much the same, moving on 00:16:079 - .
00:17:067 (77,78,79,80,81,82,83) - kkddkkk works better imo, a simplier pattern and more fitting. kdkdkkk may be also fine though.
00:18:594 (89) - on 00:18:954 - . You could change it to d though, fitting with the previous dkd triplet.
00:21:469 (106) - on 00:21:828 - .
00:31:259 (166,167) - it has a more natural feeling by removing (166) and make (167) as d.

-Most of the upcoming things are the same like the first half, not going to mention them. I think you will be able to change them by your own.

00:56:588 (298,299,300) - I don't really understand the point of the break. I'd rather make 00:56:588 (298,299) - as kdkdk and remove (300) to have the break here, if urgently wanted.
01:17:786 (402,403) - Move them one tick before so you have kkddk k then, sounds by far better and more what you try to follow.

[Muzukashii]
00:12:397 (31,32,33,34) - Personally I feel the emphasis could be so much better. It's rather straight mapped than related to the music. What do you want to emphasize with 00:12:397 (31,33) - here? They sounds more like notes you added them for the sake of difficulty. My idea would be to remove (31,34) and move (33) like this: http://puu.sh/pA2nT/21800698f5.jpg
00:14:373 (39,41) - Same here, although you could leave (39) here, (41) definitely feels out of place.
00:14:912 - 00:17:786 - What about this?: http://puu.sh/pA2AN/645dec2ba2.jpg (marked notes do have finishers)
00:19:402 (62) - Sounds way better without that note.
00:21:379 (70,71) - (70) as D and (71) removal.
00:22:636 (76) - Doesn't really contributes a lot here and could be removed to make a longer break duration.
00:24:612 (85,86,87,88,89) - I see the intention of the pattern here, yet I think d kkd works better here.
00:26:409 (92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106) - Same as 00:14:912 - 00:17:786 - .
00:29:822 (110,118) - They don't really fit to the mapping you're following, you added some interesting rhythms but these notes definitely don't belong there.
00:32:876 (123,124) - (123) as D and (124) removal.

-2nd half pretty much provides the same issues, nothing new to say here-

[Futsuu]
00:23:535 (40,41,42) - That is pretty much the same like 00:12:038 (20,21,22) - , I don't really see the reason to make them different, you should keep them consistent and make K D K too.
00:31:798 (54,55,56,57,58,59) - should be d k k d d K, reference: 00:20:301 (34,35,36,37,38,39) -
00:46:169 (77,78,79,80) - This also could work as D K D, and (77) could be changed into k afterwards.
00:58:744 (99) - Just in case you apply to the change above, make this as K then.
01:04:493 (110) - ^
01:10:241 (119) - Make this as D, it's slighty deeper than the other two notes.

That one looks good, got to say.

[Kantan]
Basically it looks good, however I'd suggest to use more single-colour or k-d-k pattern on some places.

00:00:541 (1,2,3) - make this as k d k.
00:06:289 (8,9,10) - ^
00:12:038 (13,14,15) - What about removing (14) and make (15) as K then?
00:20:660 (24,25,26) - make this as ddd.
00:26:409 (31,32,33) - make this as kkk.
00:23:535 (28,29,30) - similar to 00:12:038 (13,14,15) this could work as K x D combo.
00:32:157 (39,40,41) - make this as ddd.

Yeah, and rest is pretty similar. The intention is to have more simple colour combinations to make it a little bit easier since the dense compared to the Futsuu is slighty lower but not that too much.

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-21T02:17:27+00:00

Stefan wrote:
Futsuu
to-be-added, Ayyri wanted to play some Orange Juice.

yesyesyes

kogasa_old_1

123 posts

Joined July 2011

Topic Starter

kogasa_old_1 2016-06-22T17:50:11+00:00

Stefan wrote:
.

[Oni]
00:08:804 (30) - would be as d better, the trumpets are slighty deeper than 00:08:624 (29,31) - therefore I'd suggest d here. / it's k since it lands on the high hat, not based on the trumpet
00:12:397 (49,50,51,52,53,54) - The ooo ooo is somewhat weird to play, feels not that natural to me. What about moving the note to 00:13:115 - and make it as k? It sounds more reasoned since http://puu.sh/pzX2J/1e751afdc3.jpg would work the exact same like http://puu.sh/pzX1q/d06c43c293.jpg then. / i tried to rearrange it like this and in different ways but it just didnt sound right to me. i felt like i was missing a lot of beats and it just didnt feel as fitting to the actual song ;; it think itll still play fine as it is now, though.
00:15:720 (70) - pretty much the same, moving on 00:16:079 - . / ^
00:17:067 (77,78,79,80,81,82,83) - kkddkkk works better imo, a simplier pattern and more fitting. kdkdkkk may be also fine though. / changed to kdkdkkk! works much better
00:18:594 (89) - on 00:18:954 - . You could change it to d though, fitting with the previous dkd triplet. / this really didnt fit the percussion to me ;;
00:21:469 (106) - on 00:21:828 - . / ^
00:31:259 (166,167) - it has a more natural feeling by removing (166) and make (167) as d. / it felt really empty to me, so i left it as it is

-Most of the upcoming things are the same like the first half, not going to mention them. I think you will be able to change them by your own.

00:56:588 (298,299,300) - I don't really understand the point of the break. I'd rather make 00:56:588 (298,299) - as kdkdk and remove (300) to have the break here, if urgently wanted. / applied!
01:17:786 (402,403) - Move them one tick before so you have kkddk k then, sounds by far better and more what you try to follow. / applied!

[Muzukashii]
00:12:397 (31,32,33,34) - Personally I feel the emphasis could be so much better. It's rather straight mapped than related to the music. What do you want to emphasize with 00:12:397 (31,33) - here? They sounds more like notes you added them for the sake of difficulty. My idea would be to remove (31,34) and move (33) like this: http://puu.sh/pA2nT/21800698f5.jpg
00:14:373 (39,41) - Same here, although you could leave (39) here, (41) definitely feels out of place.
00:14:912 - 00:17:786 - What about this?: http://puu.sh/pA2AN/645dec2ba2.jpg (marked notes do have finishers)
00:19:402 (62) - Sounds way better without that note.
00:21:379 (70,71) - (70) as D and (71) removal.
00:22:636 (76) - Doesn't really contributes a lot here and could be removed to make a longer break duration.
00:24:612 (85,86,87,88,89) - I see the intention of the pattern here, yet I think d kkd works better here.
00:26:409 (92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106) - Same as 00:14:912 - 00:17:786 - .
00:29:822 (110,118) - They don't really fit to the mapping you're following, you added some interesting rhythms but these notes definitely don't belong there.
00:32:876 (123,124) - (123) as D and (124) removal.

-2nd half pretty much provides the same issues, nothing new to say here-

/ ok so i ended up pretty much remapping most of the muzukashii based on your suggestions and self modding. i dont remember which ones i applied/used since i worked on it for a while but it helped a lot!

[Futsuu]
to-be-added, Ayyri wanted to play some Orange Juice.

thank you very much for your mod!! <3

roufou

966 posts

Joined September 2011

roufou 2016-06-29T02:09:03+00:00

I was told to MOD the inner, so I will

00:25:690 - I much prefer this as ddk, I don't know but something near the kdk k d kdk kdd part bothers me
00:30:540 - should be a fairly obvious k to me I think
00:48:684 - I feel like ddk here too
01:00:181 - ^
01:05:930 - maybe kdk or ddk

sorry for the few suggestions, I feel like the parts where I talked about kdk k d kdk kdd could use some changing somewhere but besides that it looks good

Last edited by roufou 2016-06-29T02:33:43+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-06-29T02:33:04+00:00

agu wrote:
I was told to map the inner, so I will thanks bb :3

00:25:690 - I much prefer this as ddk, I don't know but something near the kdk k d kdk kdd part bothers me It's the preference of the player, so either works fine here.
00:30:540 - should be a fairly obvious k to me I think Changed.
00:48:684 - I feel like ddk here too Changed.
01:00:181 - ^ Changed.
01:05:930 - maybe kdk or ddk I think kdk could work here. ddk sounds weird with the kkd afterwards.

sorry for the few suggestions, I feel like the parts where I talked about kdk k d kdk kdd could use some changing somewhere but besides that it looks good Thank you for the mod. :3

Vince

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OzzyOzrock

5,185 posts

Joined August 2010

OzzyOzrock 2016-07-08T23:49:11+00:00

Hi I'm here to exert cruelty.

General - 00:46:529 to 00:58:026 This doesn't seem like the right kiai time. If 01:09:523 to 01:21:020 is kiai time, then why wouldn't 00:58:026 to 01:09:523 be it?
Oni - Can't say I really understand why you choose to use these short patterns (00:12:397 (49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57) - ) for the whole song. I don't see how it fits anything in the song. You're better off actually following the song, stopping when it stops, etc. ...normal mapping?
Muzukashii - Why do you have... a LOT of melodies mapped completely different on this diff? 01:18:505 (277,278,279,280) - is just one example, but many times it happens that Oni and Muzu conflict in note color choices. Rhythms are also really different, like 01:14:373 (259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268) - has this normal rhythm, but Oni has a bunch of triplets?
Futsuu - Spread suffers big here. It's a common error that Muzukashii is similar to Oni, and Futsuu is similar to Kantan. Considering how the diffs look, you'll likely have to make adjustments to both Muzu AND Futsuu. For sure Futsuu needs more notes overall, with less breaks and more usage of 1/2.
Kantan is solid. It's a good base diff, the only downside is that its simplicity will give you a tougher time making spread since it's more difficulty drop/increase as you rise in difficulties.
Ayyri - The speed-ups are so small that they don't really contribute much to the song. Especially considering they completely die out later in the map. 00:49:403 (260,261,262,263,264,265) - I don't like this island, since it's literally the ONLY island. No other part seems similarly mapped.

Just a poke.

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-07-10T04:01:09+00:00

OzzyOzrock wrote:
Hi I'm here to exert cruelty. "Stop making me look like a nice BN."
Ayyri - The speed-ups are so small that they don't really contribute much to the song. Especially considering they completely die out later in the map. 00:49:403 (260,261,262,263,264,265) - I don't like this island, since it's literally the ONLY island. No other part seems similarly mapped. I added a d at 00:49:582 - to fill up the pattern there a bit. Also removed the really minor speed ups, since I frankly don't think that they're needed.
Just a poke. Touch later, thanks. (^:

v i n c e

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Backfire

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Backfire 2016-07-10T05:17:21+00:00

Ayyri's Inner Oni -
00:14:193 - I believe you could make this a ddk, it flows better and just sounds better. I dunno how else to explain, theres probably some legit reason it sounds better but yeah.
00:18:684 - kkd k? I really am not a huge fan of like the mono-color stuff with random 1/4 patterns. It can be nicely structured

00:49:582 - k ddk for flow? Ya feel? A little too much red without the kats in the red ticks.

Alright! That's it.

I'll mod the rest later but Ari wanted me to do hers a little sooner

Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-07-10T15:43:15+00:00

Backfire wrote:
Ayyri's Inner Oni -
00:14:193 - I believe you could make this a ddk, it flows better and just sounds better. I dunno how else to explain, theres probably some legit reason it sounds better but yeah. Changed.
00:18:684 - kkd k? I really am not a huge fan of like the mono-color stuff with random 1/4 patterns. It can be nicely structured Changed.
00:49:582 - k ddk for flow? Ya feel? A little too much red without the kats in the red ticks. Changed.

Alright! That's it.

I'll mod the rest later but Ari wanted me to do hers a little sooner Thanks bb. :3

v i n c e

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kogasa_old_1 2016-07-11T02:25:33+00:00

OzzyOzrock wrote:
Hi I'm here to exert cruelty.

General - 00:46:529 to 00:58:026 This doesn't seem like the right kiai time. If 01:09:523 to 01:21:020 is kiai time, then why wouldn't 00:58:026 to 01:09:523 be it?

Oni - Can't say I really understand why you choose to use these short patterns (00:12:397 (49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57) - ) for the whole song. I don't see how it fits anything in the song. You're better off actually following the song, stopping when it stops, etc. ...normal mapping?

Muzukashii - Why do you have... a LOT of melodies mapped completely different on this diff? 01:18:505 (277,278,279,280) - is just one example, but many times it happens that Oni and Muzu conflict in note color choices. Rhythms are also really different, like 01:14:373 (259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268) - has this normal rhythm, but Oni has a bunch of triplets?

Futsuu - Spread suffers big here. It's a common error that Muzukashii is similar to Oni, and Futsuu is similar to Kantan. Considering how the diffs look, you'll likely have to make adjustments to both Muzu AND Futsuu. For sure Futsuu needs more notes overall, with less breaks and more usage of 1/2.

Kantan is solid. It's a good base diff, the only downside is that its simplicity will give you a tougher time making spread since it's more difficulty drop/increase as you rise in difficulties.

Ayyri - The speed-ups are so small that they don't really contribute much to the song. Especially considering they completely die out later in the map. 00:49:403 (260,261,262,263,264,265) - I don't like this island, since it's literally the ONLY island. No other part seems similarly mapped.

Just a poke.

hi hi hi sorry for not replying sooner!! just letting you know since i'm gonna make some heavy changes that i can't do it all in one sitting, so i cant give a proper reply, and i didnt want you to think i was ignoring the mod or went and applied the mod without saying anything.

i'll probably apply/change all the things you mentioned, though. so thank you very very much for the poke!!

will be updating the map + applying ari's changes/updates soon.

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