I found the way Shiirn asked me to change it (instead of "suggesting" it) wayyyyyy to harsh for something that is, to me debatable (as I said and showed, some people such as myself, think it's actually fitting and sounds good). But at least he gave me an idea of how I could do it, I appreciate.Bonsai wrote:
not saying your map is stupid, just saying that player's opinions don't mean anything) That's pretty good to mention, because when you say that my overmapping or w/e are "ridiculous" this is the message you're bringing.
I like how you're bringing "If you map could fit in other songs with the same BPM, then your map is bad" when you are literally overmapping tons of stuff just to make it exciting to play. Your triplets and streams would fit in any other song just as well simply because they aren't even existing in this song in the first place. Actually this map is way easier than what most mappers would make nowadays for a song like that, so saying I mapped this way to make it exciting is so-so.
"I even feel you checked the map without even listening to the music." Yeah right, that's why I'm pointing out overmaps. ok
I know what you want to represent with those sliders and other overmaps of all sorts, I just think that overmapping is a very bad way to do that. There are thousands of ways to emphasize everything you want without resorting to overmapping, and that's what I want to encourage, because it seems like you are just overmapping to make the map be exciting when that could be done in so many other ways. But what if it fits to me? I mean.. My favourite mappers tend to do that as well, I have more faith in them than 2 or 3 modders.
A 1/2-slider, maybe with one reverse, would be a hold note too, and would not ignore the fact that that 'low' instrument actually has a 1/2-beat inbetween which is being completely ignored this way. Why does it need to be 1/8 when there is no 1/8 in the music? I don't even want to asnwer that because this is way too subjective, the music is defenitely not flat 1/1 or 1/2. To me if you map like this you miss a chance to show the potential of those sounds my sliders are following
It doesn't seem like he's 'ovbiously' knowing that when all he says is "I asked players and they said 1/4 is fine". The question was already mentioned (on another stream actually) and from that I asked multiple people to be sure of myself. At the end Desperate-kun checked the streams and said: " I really like the 'overmapped' stream and the 1/8 gimmicks you used, they fit the song well for me, I wouldn't worry about those. " So no, your point of view isn't general.
(maybe because the rest didn't fit that well in the first place?!? deep thoughts ikr) Actually no, to me 1/4 fits great, and I really, sincerly doubt you found this part was 1/3 by looking the map at first sight and without deleting the whole stream put the audio at 25% speed etc... Like "it's so obvious it's 1/3.."
Your point of view is welcome. But I won't change my style because of it. As I said (or as I wanted to say lol) the feedbacks I got from some specific mappers have way more impact than some random modders (which are, don't get me wrong, interesting to hear, but won't necessarily make a difference).
After that, I, at least, tried to make something with those 1/3. But first off, even if the beats are 1/3 I still think there's a drumroll behind. Like, I'm sorry but it's not crystal-clear it's 1/3. When I hear sounds like 02:25:467 (5) - it's not in my 1/3 mapping dictionary. Then the melody is sticked on 1/2 02:25:601 (7) - . So unless you want to burst some 336 bpm... Oh I could add reverse but it would feel way too slow compared to the whole pacing, and here comes the last point which is a sum up of all those points: The fact that the music isn't obvious 1/3, the fact it's right at the middle of a stream section it makes those 1/3 totally awakward to play and totally breaks the flow of the whole section as they are totally unexpected. And I mean... it fits to me and I'm not like the only one who will agree with that sooo I don't get why I have to change it as it isn't obvious and actually help the player in the process.
Natsu if you can bring some suggestions it'll be with pleasure I'll check them, but meanwhile I'm fine with its current state.
I don't want to offense anyone but I think this is a pretty dumb statement since you get inspired by other maps while mapping.. (after that it's up to you to know what's fitting or not but it becomes subjective).Shiirn wrote:
Didn't Loctav say something about not using other maps as justification for other maps?
, since any defense to them will be subjective as well, so the comparison is almost the same.
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