Kaito-kun wrote:

No Kudosu - No Kudosu - No Kudosu (Already got kudosu from this beatmap, no need for more)

Was talking with Minseo about his diff and ended up noticing that he is not inside tags. Ranking Criteria demands that the name of each GD mapper in the beatmap needs to be on the tags section. In other words, add to tags "Minseo2000" and everything's good XD.

Minseo2000 wrote:

Should I add SV changes for my diff?

Poll here

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Adinata28 wrote:

Minseo2000 wrote:

Should I add SV changes for my diff?

Poll here

oh yes pls :<
old play

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oh fuc, new ones has 8,6*. orz

Minseo2000 wrote:

What is this supposed to mean

1. First, MS2000's 7K INFINITY has too low OD. 6 is not good with this difficulty I guess. Seems 4K UNIVERSE map has 8/8 OD and HP so I
2. suggest to make it same.
3. Check your AI mod, tag is different with 4K UNIVERSE
4. You must use hitsounds over than two.
5. Wrong offset. Offset should be around at 170, and don't forget to re-snap all your notes also timing sections too. But don't forget to fix it after you applied this mod.
6. Hitsounds is too loud even it can't hear the song clearly. Suggest to reduce it or use other hitsound

1. 00:11:233 (11233|5,11233|6,11233|2,11311|3,11311|4,11390|5,11390|6) - This is not good at hand balance to left hand or right hand whatever, 00:11:233 (11233|6,11233|5,11311|3,11311|4,11390|5,11390|6) - only these notes are pretty good but 00:10:765 (10765|0,11233|2,11390|1) - these notes are disturbing to hit normal notes. You can re-arrange it I guess.
2. 00:12:640 (12640|5,12796|5,12952|4) - It is fine already but maybe it can be improve for remove mini jack like 00:12:640 (12640|5,12796|5) - this. How about this?
3. 00:19:515 (19515|0,19554|1,19593|2,19632|4,19671|5,19710|6,19749|0,19788|1,19827|2,19866|4,19905|5,19944|6) - It is really not clear snapping, can't hear the snap correctly and I'm sure, it is never 1/8. Maybe you can just use 1/4 snapping or ask to other peoples for this.
4. 00:21:546 (21546|2) - Move to 6 is much better for make consistency with 00:21:702 (21702|0,21702|1) - this also for hand balance too.
5. 00:21:702 - ~ 00:22:640 - Seriously I'm not sure it is 1/8. Seems it is just stand out only 1/4 and also some not clear rhythm. But also I'm sure it is never 1/8.
6. 00:26:390 (26390|0,26468|1,26546|2,26624|3) - Overmapped. It doesn't have any sound also this LNs are really not good to feel at playing. Remove these. 00:26:702 (26702|6,26780|0,26858|1,26936|2) - These are fine, has sounds.
7. 00:32:015 - Same as 00:21:702 - ~ 00:22:640 -this. Just suggest to use only 1/4
8. 00:33:577 (33577|5) - Are you sure with this LN? Seems you are using LN for following vocal but it doesn't have vocal sound.
9. 00:33:890 (33890|6,34046|4,34202|5) - Similar reason with above but it is kinda different. Because it has vocal in 00:33:968 - here too. Maybe you can add a one nore LN at here.
10. 00:43:265 (43265|5,43343|6,43421|5,43499|6,43577|5) - Are you sure? Maybe you can imagine to play it.
    As you know, these 6.7 columns are using middle finger and ring finger. It can't be not good pattern. Can you sure with this balance? I don't think so.
11. 01:08:655 (68655|2) - Seems you do wrong snapping this. It should be start at 01:08:733 - here.
12. 01:42:015 (102015|4) - Move to 3. It is not a problem for 01:41:858 (101858|4,102015|4) - this jack. I've got problem at 01:41:624 (101624|5,101858|6,101858|4,102015|6,102015|4) - this. It is really not good balance, theoretically, yeah it can be looks good but it isn't
13. 01:56:858 - ~ 01:57:640 - I can't feel a heavy melody that can use to be many chord like this.
14. 02:17:015 - ~ 02:17:327 - Same ab above this but 02:17:327 - ~ 02:17:640 - it is not, it can be aware to "heightened last trill" like 02:27:015 - here.
15. 02:17:952 (137952|6) - 02:20:452 (140452|5) - Also these guys don't have vocal too. You sure?
16. 02:22:640 - ~ 02:23:890 - I have no idea what I should say for this part. Seems you followed some "Starry sound" but I'm really not sure it could be snapped. Really faint also not clear.
17. 02:35:140 (155140|0,155218|1,155296|2,155374|3,155452|4,155530|5) - These LNs are couldn't feel to play well, not fit to here. Suggest to remove it.
18. 03:08:265 - ~ 03:08:890 - Seriously..
19. 03:18:577 - Should be added note as your flow of patterns. Seems have drum sound.
20. 03:53:890 - ~ 03:55:140 - Overmapped. It has only 1/4 also it is really not good pattern for feel this part as well even if it has sound.
21. 04:37:210 (277210|0,277288|2) - Ghost notes. These are should be removed.

Fresh Chicken wrote:

M4M

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General

1. First, MS2000's 7K INFINITY has too low OD. 6 is not good with this difficulty I guess. Seems 4K UNIVERSE map has 8/8 OD and HP so I
2. suggest to make it same. - OD raised to 7. Will increase more if unrankable.
3. Check your AI mod, tag is different with 4K UNIVERSE - Done. I blame Raveille for not informing me about tag changes. jkjk
4. You must use hitsounds over than two. - The map's not hitsounded yet. I think...
5. Wrong offset. Offset should be around at 170, and don't forget to re-snap all your notes also timing sections too. But don't forget to fix it after you applied this mod. - Will ask Raveille.
6. Hitsounds is too loud even it can't hear the song clearly. Suggest to reduce it or use other hitsound - Lowered hitsound volume to 20%

MS2000's 7K INFINITY

1. 00:11:233 (11233|5,11233|6,11233|2,11311|3,11311|4,11390|5,11390|6) - This is not good at hand balance to left hand or right hand whatever, 00:11:233 (11233|6,11233|5,11311|3,11311|4,11390|5,11390|6) - only these notes are pretty good but 00:10:765 (10765|0,11233|2,11390|1) - these notes are disturbing to hit normal notes. You can re-arrange it I guess. - Seems fine to me
2. 00:12:640 (12640|5,12796|5,12952|4) - It is fine already but maybe it can be improve for remove mini jack like 00:12:640 (12640|5,12796|5) - this. How about this? - Done
3. 00:19:515 (19515|0,19554|1,19593|2,19632|4,19671|5,19710|6,19749|0,19788|1,19827|2,19866|4,19905|5,19944|6) - It is really not clear snapping, can't hear the snap correctly and I'm sure, it is never 1/8. Maybe you can just use 1/4 snapping or ask to other peoples for this. - I think it's 1/8 but I'm not sure either... I'll change if it gets mentioned again
4. 00:21:546 (21546|2) - Move to 6 is much better for make consistency with 00:21:702 (21702|0,21702|1) - this also for hand balance too. - Done
5. 00:21:702 - ~ 00:22:640 - Seriously I'm not sure it is 1/8. Seems it is just stand out only 1/4 and also some not clear rhythm. But also I'm sure it is never 1/8. - the 1/4s are drums but I think the synth is 1/8. Again, not very sure.
6. 00:26:390 (26390|0,26468|1,26546|2,26624|3) - Overmapped. It doesn't have any sound also this LNs are really not good to feel at playing. Remove these. 00:26:702 (26702|6,26780|0,26858|1,26936|2) - These are fine, has sounds. - It's for those synth-ish piano like sound.
7. 00:32:015 - Same as 00:21:702 - ~ 00:22:640 -this. Just suggest to use only 1/4 - Changed for now.
8. 00:33:577 (33577|5) - Are you sure with this LN? Seems you are using LN for following vocal but it doesn't have vocal sound. - It's a ghost note
9. 00:33:890 (33890|6,34046|4,34202|5) - Similar reason with above but it is kinda different. Because it has vocal in 00:33:968 - here too. Maybe you can add a one nore LN at here. - Added LN at 6
10. 00:43:265 (43265|5,43343|6,43421|5,43499|6,43577|5) - Are you sure? Maybe you can imagine to play it.
    As you know, these 6.7 columns are using middle finger and ring finger. It can't be not good pattern. Can you sure with this balance? I don't think so. - Fixed
11. 01:08:655 (68655|2) - Seems you do wrong snapping this. It should be start at 01:08:733 - here. - Oops. Fixed
12. 01:42:015 (102015|4) - Move to 3. It is not a problem for 01:41:858 (101858|4,102015|4) - this jack. I've got problem at 01:41:624 (101624|5,101858|6,101858|4,102015|6,102015|4) - this. It is really not good balance, theoretically, yeah it can be looks good but it isn't - Fixed
13. 01:56:858 - ~ 01:57:640 - I can't feel a heavy melody that can use to be many chord like this. - Changed to doubles
14. 02:17:015 - ~ 02:17:327 - Same ab above this but 02:17:327 - ~ 02:17:640 - it is not, it can be aware to "heightened last trill" like 02:27:015 - here. - nope. The intensity of that section seems consistent
15. 02:17:952 (137952|6) - 02:20:452 (140452|5) - Also these guys don't have vocal too. You sure? - Ghost notes
16. 02:22:640 - ~ 02:23:890 - I have no idea what I should say for this part. Seems you followed some "Starry sound" but I'm really not sure it could be snapped. Really faint also not clear. - I think the "starry sound" follows 1/8 but then it's hard to tell. I blame the audio quality jkjk
17. 02:35:140 (155140|0,155218|1,155296|2,155374|3,155452|4,155530|5) - These LNs are couldn't feel to play well, not fit to here. Suggest to remove it. - Changed to click notes
18. 03:08:265 - ~ 03:08:890 - Seriously.. - I think it's 1/8. But my ears can't be trusted
19. 03:18:577 - Should be added note as your flow of patterns. Seems have drum sound. - Note added
20. 03:53:890 - ~ 03:55:140 - Overmapped. It has only 1/4 also it is really not good pattern for feel this part as well even if it has sound. - The 1/8 notes are same those "starry sounds" you mentioned before. Rolled back pattern to pre-Yooh mod
21. 04:37:210 (277210|0,277288|2) - Ghost notes. These are should be removed. - Ghost notes

Okay my mod has been finished at here.

Seems it is just made by for PP. This map is not seriously hard to not fit this SR in my opinion. - Kinda realized when someone who can't pass MANIERA passed this one a few days back. I blame the broken SR system.
And just in my opinion, it is kinda overmapped also those LNs are breaking the balance too. - I'm trying to figure out a way to make the LNs more comfortable. But the nooby me just don't seem to be able to do it properly
Thanks for reading this and good luck for rank!

ArcherLove wrote:

hi ... this is long ... - Indeed. I thought I was going to lose my mind mapping this song... TWICE

col=1~7
CHECK AI-MOD - Dang... Idk when that happened.


00:28:373 (28373|1) - move to 5 (playability) - Eh. Not so sure but applied.
00:29:545 (29545|6) - http://puu.sh/oixji/e7a8d77bbb.jpg - Ah this looks much better now.
01:14:857 (74857|0) - move to 6 + add to 7? - Done
01:19:076 (79076|0) - move to 7 - Done
01:56:966 (116966|3,117045|3,117201|3,117279|3,117435|3,117513|3) - overkill ... please change ;_; http://puu.sh/oixUX/bc5bc98228.jpg - Didn't know that it'll be that hard
03:17:123 (197123|3) - move to 6 - Done
05:25:951 (325951|1,325951|0,325951|6) - change one of this to LN? - I guess it's a better idea to emphasize the vocals
07:41:732 (461732|2,461810|1,461888|0,461966|1) - http://puu.sh/oiyF0/d0d8c250d2.jpg - Done
08:29:076 (509076|1) - move to 5? - Applied
09:49:701 (589701|1) - add - Seems ok
11:52:982 (712982|3) - move to 7 - Done
11:53:607 (713607|3) - move to 1 - Done
11:53:920 (713920|1) - move to 4 - Done


I can't really find mistake on 4K except the repeat pattern .. good luck!~ - Thank you
I post on your Q also~ - Will check later~

Nivrad00 wrote:

From Nivrad00's Mania Queue

MS2000's 7K INFINITY

Why are there so many whistles in the intro lmao
00:33:138 - 00:34:388 - 00:38:138 - 00:39:388 - this vocal rhythm is pretty unique. Maybe it would be a cool pattern to make the LNs consistent all four times - I think it's different enough to be like this.
?
01:12:552 (72552|0,72670|0,72826|0) - perhaps these three notes shouldn't all be in a row - Ooooops
01:28:920 - LN for vocals? - Idk how I missed that
01:42:670 - add some single notes, maybe. prominent beat - done
02:04:545 - why does the LN end here? - Good question.
02:09:545 - LN for vocals - Rearranged some notes as well.
02:12:982 - same - Done
02:17:982 - don't hear a voice here (if the LN is meant to follow something other than vocals here it's kinda hard to tell ) - I was actually doubtful about this as well
02:20:482 - same - ^
02:21:107 - same - ^
02:24:466 (144466|3,144545|2) - 1/4 too late - Rearranged some notes as well.
02:47:904 (167904|0,167982|2,168060|0,168138|2,168216|0,168295|2,168373|0,168451|2) - funny little embedded trill lol - Fixed. May need some more adjustments tho.
03:17:357 (197357|4) - no vocals i think - I here something similar to "ppo" over there.
03:38:295 (218295|4,218451|1) - same - This one I'm not so sure but I here something like "wa" and "tu"
04:04:623 - this pattern is rather harsh on the spacebar lane - Changed to 1/8s instead.
05:24:701 - LN for vocals? - Done
05:45:170 - 05:46:732 - 05:47:357 - what are you expressing with these short LNs o-o I can't tell - Those beeping/twinkling sounds.
05:51:185 (351185|4) - 1/4 too early - Fixed
06:07:201 - missing note? lol - Wow your eyes are good lol
06:07:513 (367513|1) - 1/4 too early - Done
06:19:857 - if this is for vocals the rhythm is wrong. if it's for another instrument I can't hear it LOL - Those are for vocals. Just unsynced
It looks like 06:57:982 - is supposed to be a LN? anyway it seemed weird to me that there's one single note in the middle of the inverse section - Intentional click note. May change if it's pointed out again.
07:00:170 - why not make this a double like the other single notes in this section - Oooops
07:13:998 (433998|4) - 1/4 too early - Fixed
07:30:638 - LN for vocals? - Done
07:46:263 - should this start 1/2 later? debatable but usually ppl put notes for vocals on the start of the vowel, not the start of the consonant - That's actually a syllable. I just missed a sound at 07:46:420
08:17:045 (497045|6) - 1/4 too late - Fixed
08:28:295 - er what's this LN for - Ghost note
08:28:920 - also LN for vocals? - Done
09:17:279 (557279|3) - 1/4 too early - Oooooooooooooooooooops
09:28:920 - man this part is just cruel for the left hand lol - Indeed
09:31:732 (571732|4) - should the LN start here - No it shouldn't
09:33:607 (573607|1) - 1/4 too late - It's timed properly. I think.
09:36:654 (576654|5,576732|1) - 1/4 too late - Fixed
09:48:295 - no vocals i think - I think there is.
10:19:310 - seems weird that this LN ends slightly before the other LN when they're both for vocals - It's to make way for the click note. But will be considered
10:26:263 (626263|0,626420|6,626732|4) - 1/2 too early - Fixed
11:32:982 - LN for vocals? - Done
11:35:013 - either a 1/2 or a 1/4 early depending on which syllable you want to put it on - Fixed
11:39:545 - no vocals i think - Ghost note
12:43:920 (763920|2) - 1/4 too late - Fixed
12:53:451 (773451|0,773529|1) - I believe the drums are on 1/3 snap here - Changed.

The measure lines got off someplace but I'll let you figure that out yourself P:

Wow, I think this looks a lot better after the remap! It seems like a lot of the visual and physical awkwardness of the hard patterns is gone now... it's more evenly distributed over the lanes and there aren't as many unnecessary anchors and jacks. - Remapped with the intention to remove anchors and jacks.

I notice you got rid of the left-right style laning where you put all the single notes on one half and all the LNs on the other. It's too bad you got rid of a unique idea like that, but I think it helped a lot to make this more playable and pleasing to the hands. - The playability of it was mentioned many times. Maybe I'll attempt it on an easier song.

There are still a significant amount of sync mistakes in the vocals... i pointed out some that I noticed, but I'm sure there's more. - I guess it'll be found over time.

I also noticed the star rating got higher, probably because of the really dense bursts like 05:59:232 - . I'm not sure if those bursts are reasonable or not, especially since they have LNs during them, but I'm not personally skilled enough to tell. I guess I can only advise you to look for really skilled players to test - There shouldn't be any playability issues since someone did tell me that it's mashable. But there are a few modderes pointing out that it's in the wrong snap.

I think another problem is how indistinct some of the noises in the map are... because it's so hard to hear, a lot of this map is hard to understand. Like for example, it seems to me that 07:49:232 - and 10:11:576 - would be more intuitive as a 1/4, but maybe I'm just not hearing whatever you were mapping? In other places there are a lot of LNs, 1/4 streams, and 1/8 bursts that I just could not hear in the music. I've mentioned a few of the more prominent ones above. I'll admit, I have terrible earphones, but it's something worth mentioning at least - Some of them I'm unsure as well.

I also think you could still improve on playability, especially how the LNs and singles fit together. I know that's a vague and possibly unhelpful statement, but this map is just so long that it would take way too long for me to identify the problem spots individually (sorry P:) - There is a possibility that I may remap this again.

Wow modding this map is exhausting. I'm impressed you managed to map this monster two different times, with SVs and everything! Good job man - Thank you.