But well, isn't it stereotyped? If something that's illogical can make the gameplay better, why not use it? Using 'wrong' offset has zero effects on gameplay anyway.
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How does using negative offset makes anything better? You shouldn't start running 10 sec earlier on a race either. I have zero idea why Charles suggested negative offset but it shouldn't be used in any case. There are no composer in the word who is making a music based on negative offset because that is just not exist. Every song has a positive offset and in order to rank a map the correct timing needs to be used which based on the correct offset. Just because it has "some" effect on a mod, that not justifies the usage of it.
Let's ask Charles for the reason then
Anyway, it's different than starting a race 10s earlier because you don't start playing the map 10s earlier even if the map's offset is -10000. I want to know about what 'actual problem' that a negative offset can cause. All notes are still snapped correctly and players would still play the exactly same map. If that's a real 'problem' which should NOT be ranked, then let's discuss and add it on the RC, but I want to know the reason. Just only because that's not where the first note is doesn't make sense to me.
Anyway, it's different than starting a race 10s earlier because you don't start playing the map 10s earlier even if the map's offset is -10000. I want to know about what 'actual problem' that a negative offset can cause. All notes are still snapped correctly and players would still play the exactly same map. If that's a real 'problem' which should NOT be ranked, then let's discuss and add it on the RC, but I want to know the reason. Just only because that's not where the first note is doesn't make sense to me.
tbh if we gonna be picky with offset then the correct one should be 00:04:041 (1) - as you said 00:01:132 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - is part of an anacrusis and not the actually ¨music start¨ this song is divide in 4 osu measures, 00:01:132 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this just take 2 of them which make 00:04:041 (1) - the third one (should be the first of the 4 measures set).
osu! also have nightcore mod as well, which work better with the current offset, if the current offset work better with osu and their mods, also with the menu thing (dont remember the name lol), why change it? even the music is divided better with the current timing.
Some users love nightcore mod, if you want to ruin their experience with it then change it (even not much people will DT this map, this will apply to other maps with the same anacrusis case). Fixing something that isn't broken to make it broken at something else isn't right imo.
osu! also have nightcore mod as well, which work better with the current offset, if the current offset work better with osu and their mods, also with the menu thing (dont remember the name lol), why change it? even the music is divided better with the current timing.
Some users love nightcore mod, if you want to ruin their experience with it then change it (even not much people will DT this map, this will apply to other maps with the same anacrusis case). Fixing something that isn't broken to make it broken at something else isn't right imo.
Okay, listen up.
The song is in 4/4.
The first "beat of the song" is at 00:04:041 - . This is the start of the first pack of 4 measures. This only matters because of nightcore, really.
00:09:859 - Is where nightcore would add a finish if the offset was 4041.
The mapper is placing inheriting sections before 4041, though, and inheriting sections can NOT be placed before timing sections. This will cause the map to fail to load.
So the timing section must appear before the inheriting sections. In order to maintain compatibility with nightcore mode, the timing section can simply be placed 4 big white ticks back from the true start, in this case -1777.
I was given a load of shit on my Ergosphere set for this exact reason. That's why it has a negative offset.
GOOD DAY
The song is in 4/4.
The first "beat of the song" is at 00:04:041 - . This is the start of the first pack of 4 measures. This only matters because of nightcore, really.
00:09:859 - Is where nightcore would add a finish if the offset was 4041.
The mapper is placing inheriting sections before 4041, though, and inheriting sections can NOT be placed before timing sections. This will cause the map to fail to load.
So the timing section must appear before the inheriting sections. In order to maintain compatibility with nightcore mode, the timing section can simply be placed 4 big white ticks back from the true start, in this case -1777.
I was given a load of shit on my Ergosphere set for this exact reason. That's why it has a negative offset.
GOOD DAY
I would like to avoid using a mod as a reason to use something which makes no sense. But since osu! can't handle inheriting points before the first timing point I can accept it.
Why would you avoid using a mod as reason to use something that doesn't affect gameplay? It makes the game look buggy and weird when you have maps flying around that don't support the game's own features.
If you can resolve this so easily through such a simple solution like that I don't see why you wouldn't use it.
If you can resolve this so easily through such a simple solution like that I don't see why you wouldn't use it.
Mod compatibility isn't a requirement, just a nice bonus and an added level of polish to a set.
It's why a lot of mappers make sure their map is playable on Hard Rock / adjust things for Hidden... maybe even tweak some patterns for CTB (very rare but it has happened).
EDIT: Here's an example... https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17721
This map has clear pattern changes to make it more interesting in CTB.
It's why a lot of mappers make sure their map is playable on Hard Rock / adjust things for Hidden... maybe even tweak some patterns for CTB (very rare but it has happened).
EDIT: Here's an example... https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17721
This map has clear pattern changes to make it more interesting in CTB.
You learn something new everyday, huh? Thanks for the brief explanation. That'll make me see setting the first line with other perspective in the future!
A pity you decided to delete the CtB diff. It's in the end a mapper's decision, but yet a lost to the players we enjoy this song and map.
Good luck with the requalification process!
PD: Cleaned the thread a bit. If you have nothing to add that could help the mapper, don't even bother posting here.
A pity you decided to delete the CtB diff. It's in the end a mapper's decision, but yet a lost to the players we enjoy this song and map.
Good luck with the requalification process!
PD: Cleaned the thread a bit. If you have nothing to add that could help the mapper, don't even bother posting here.
원래 디퀄나면 스레드 난리나는건가...?
You'd think this would be common sense hehehe.Charles445 wrote:
The mapper is placing inheriting sections before 4041, though, and inheriting sections can NOT be placed before timing sections. This will cause the map to fail to load.
So the timing section must appear before the inheriting sections. In order to maintain compatibility with nightcore mode, the timing section can simply be placed 4 big white ticks back from the true start, in this case -1777.
If you know anything about metronomes you'd know they don't start on anything but a downbeat. That is, when you play with a metronome you always have to start it and then sync your playing to the metronome, not the other way around. In that sense, negative offsets actually make a lot more sense than positive offsets tbh.
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ㅁㄴㅇㄹ
No CTB so... still good?
using one whole sentence of a lyrics isn't really appropriate for a difficulty name, no matter how 'relevant' you think it is. Further more it is 16 whole syllables. That stanza isn't the main prominent feature in the song either.
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nah i'll keep on this diff name because fill better to meneonat wrote:
using one whole sentence of a lyrics isn't really appropriate for a difficulty name, no matter how 'relevant' you think it is. Further more it is 16 whole syllables. That stanza isn't the main prominent feature in the song either.
but if i find better one, i'll change :3
Thanks suggest for my map
A difficulty's name must indicate its level of difficulty, with the exception of the hardest level of difficulty in a set. The mapset's hardest difficulty may use an appropriate custom difficulty name, unrelated to a username. Mapsets may also use a complete set of custom difficulty names that clearly indicate their level of difficulty to the player. Marathon maps with a single difficulty may use free naming.
So the problem here is the name you have chosen isn't really appropriate, I mean I get the idea you had coming into this. But think of someone that has never heard this song or has no relation to the content, it just looks like a jumbled mess. I think to compromise you could do something like A B START! or maybe something like Max control! These names at least give a bit of insight to how hard the map might be tbh the 2nd one I mentioned is the better of the two the 1st one is pretty lax but I want to try and help keep your vision.
So the problem here is the name you have chosen isn't really appropriate, I mean I get the idea you had coming into this. But think of someone that has never heard this song or has no relation to the content, it just looks like a jumbled mess. I think to compromise you could do something like A B START! or maybe something like Max control! These names at least give a bit of insight to how hard the map might be tbh the 2nd one I mentioned is the better of the two the 1st one is pretty lax but I want to try and help keep your vision.
While I can definitely see why people think such a long difficulty name isn't appropriate, I didn't want to force this on the mapper - as it DOES relate to the song.
I can't fully agree with the point 'it doesn't indicate the songs' difficulty' tho... I doubt 'Stardust', 'DREAMER', 'STAR PLATINUM', or any other difficulty like that indicates the map's actual difficulty at all (considering the player knows nothing about the song / the songs background). It's even stated in the rule itself. 'A difficulty's name must indicate its level of difficulty, with the exception of the hardest level of difficulty in a set.'. I hope people won't actually consider this as an unrankable issue, if it doesn't 100% indicate the maps' actual difficulty.
However, that people can view the length as inappropriate I can accept, so if it gets changed after all, feel free to call me back again!
I can't fully agree with the point 'it doesn't indicate the songs' difficulty' tho... I doubt 'Stardust', 'DREAMER', 'STAR PLATINUM', or any other difficulty like that indicates the map's actual difficulty at all (considering the player knows nothing about the song / the songs background). It's even stated in the rule itself. 'A difficulty's name must indicate its level of difficulty, with the exception of the hardest level of difficulty in a set.'. I hope people won't actually consider this as an unrankable issue, if it doesn't 100% indicate the maps' actual difficulty.
However, that people can view the length as inappropriate I can accept, so if it gets changed after all, feel free to call me back again!
Yeah there isn't any hard feelings with this I just think it might be a good idea not to make the name so large, it doesn't break anything atm but we are simply asking if it is possible that the creator please change it to something with a bit more meaning and a little less longer on the size, there isn't anything that legit says he can not do this, but really it just feels out of place and over sized it is the lyrics in the song, I just don't think that is a good idea imo, like if I mapped a song from sonic adventure 2 namely city escape, I wouldn't name the diff Rolling around at the speed of sound got places to go got to follow my rainbow!
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I think the difficulty name should only be related to the song.
Regardless of the length, like there's no 'the best' way to map something, I think there's no 'the best' way to name a difficulty.
Of course a simple difficulty name is nice,
but I hoped people would feel the rhythm by listening the several-time-repeated lyrics from 00:04:041 (1) - to 00:38:950 (1) -
But since many people are suggesting and consider this negative, I'll change it.
I loved that "Max Control!" that ztrot recommended, so I'll change to it.
Regardless of the length, like there's no 'the best' way to map something, I think there's no 'the best' way to name a difficulty.
Of course a simple difficulty name is nice,
but I hoped people would feel the rhythm by listening the several-time-repeated lyrics from 00:04:041 (1) - to 00:38:950 (1) -
But since many people are suggesting and consider this negative, I'll change it.
I loved that "Max Control!" that ztrot recommended, so I'll change to it.
Translated by meTaeyang wrote:
I think the difficulty name should only be related to the song.
Regardless of the length, like there's no 'the best' way to map something, I think there's no 'the best' way to name a difficulty.
Of course a simple difficulty name is nice,
but I hoped people would feel the rhythm by listening the several-time-repeated lyrics from 00:04:041 (1) - to 00:38:950 (1) -
But since many people are suggesting and consider this negative, I'll change it.
I loved that "Max Control!" that ztrot recommended, so I'll change to it.
Don't forget to remove me and spectator from tags.
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oops XDCLSW wrote:
Don't forget to remove me and spectator from tags.
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매핑도 어려운데 영어는 더 어렵네요
보다가 슥슥 넘겼다
보다가 슥슥 넘겼다
무사히 잘 넘어가나 했더니 결국...ㄷㄷ 아쉽네요 전 뭔가 색다른 난이도 명을 좋아 하는데 말이죠
Can you at least leave CLSW a chance to say farewell relievedly? ;_;
Could you add the CtB difficulty in the description? Someone will like to try it out even if it's not going for qualify!
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I already persuaded him several times,even nowYuii- wrote:
Could you add the CtB difficulty in the description? Someone will like to try it out even if it's not going for qualify!
But he don't want
업로드가 아니라 그냥 외부로 링크 걸어놓는 것도 싫으시대요?
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이미 오전에 이미 걸어뒀어염Doyak wrote:
업로드가 아니라 그냥 외부로 링크 걸어놓는 것도 싫으시대요?
(깜빡하고 잊어버림ㅁㄴㅇㄹ...)
유이가 말한 게 그거라는 사실
그건 상관없습니다Doyak wrote:
업로드가 아니라 그냥 외부로 링크 걸어놓는 것도 싫으시대요?
Difficulty name got changed and The CTB diff has been removed.
So I guess I'll just rebubble (#1) this, good luck once again!
So I guess I'll just rebubble (#1) this, good luck once again!
불협화음과 불규칙에서도 예술을 볼 수 있으면 좋겠습니다. 틀에 박힌 사고방식으로는 아마 제 맵들을 이해하기 힘들거에요.
애초에 저 혼자 만든 난이도도 아니지만은... 이번 일로 정말 현 캐치 매핑계에 크게 실망했습니다.
애초에 저 혼자 만든 난이도도 아니지만은... 이번 일로 정말 현 캐치 매핑계에 크게 실망했습니다.
사실 랭크맵이라는 것에 있어서는 창의성이나 독창성도 중요하지만 대다수 플레이어가 이해가 가능한 보편성도 중요시되지 않나 싶네요. 일단은 맵을 랭크시킨다는 것은 오스의 공식 비트맵이 되는 과정인데 오로지 매퍼 자신의 느낌을 100% 반영해서 다른 플레이어들이 납득할 수 없는 패턴을 만든다면 아무래도 보편적으로 받아들여지기는 힘들지 않을까요?CLSW wrote:
불협화음과 불규칙에서도 예술을 볼 수 있으면 좋겠습니다. 틀에 박힌 사고방식으로는 아마 제 맵들을 이해하기 힘들거에요.
애초에 저 혼자 만든 난이도도 아니지만은... 이번 일로 정말 현 캐치 매핑계에 크게 실망했습니다.
디퀄 원인을 살펴보시면 1/8의 쓰임이 안맞는다 점프 넣는 타이밍이 점프 거리문제다 라고 하고 또 분위기가 뭐 stronger sound여야 이러한 사항들이 납득이 되겠다고 하는데 분위기가 강하고 약하고를 이 곡에서 따지기엔 좀 많이 애매하다고 봅니다. 누구는 이 곡을 강한 분위기라고 생각하고 누구는 약하다고 하는 등 개인차가 있음에도 저런식으로 '이건 분위기가 약하니까 넌 그대로 따라가아해' 하는 식의 태도가 정말 마음에 안드는거에요. 저는 상당히 강한 편으로 느껴져서 그에 맞춰서 매핑한겁니다.Doyak wrote:
사실 랭크맵이라는 것에 있어서는 창의성이나 독창성도 중요하지만 대다수 플레이어가 이해가 가능한 보편성도 중요시되지 않나 싶네요. 일단은 맵을 랭크시킨다는 것은 오스의 공식 비트맵이 되는 과정인데 오로지 매퍼 자신의 느낌을 100% 반영해서 다른 플레이어들이 납득할 수 없는 패턴을 만든다면 아무래도 보편적으로 받아들여지기는 힘들지 않을까요?CLSW wrote:
불협화음과 불규칙에서도 예술을 볼 수 있으면 좋겠습니다. 틀에 박힌 사고방식으로는 아마 제 맵들을 이해하기 힘들거에요.
애초에 저 혼자 만든 난이도도 아니지만은... 이번 일로 정말 현 캐치 매핑계에 크게 실망했습니다.
보편성 말씀하셨는데 일반 유저들/모더들의 패턴에 대한 클레임은 단 한번도 들은 적이 없었습니다. 다들 OK하는 눈치였고요. 저 역시 당연히 캐치 QAT으로서 일해본 적이 있었기에 이 쪽 관련해서는 누구보다 잘 안다고 자신할 수 있습니다.
또 애초에 스탠과는 다르게 저는 현 캐치 QAT들에 대해 딱히 신뢰가 가지 않는 편입니다. 솔직히 말해서 낙하산 인사로 뽑힌거같아요.
EDIT : 아 잠시만요, 아예 통째로 리매핑을 해서 낼 수 있다면 아마 캐치맵도 같이 랭크가 가능할 것 같습니다.
CLSW wrote:
05:00:859 (1) - 9초 짜리 스피너가 다소 부담스러우리만큼 길다는 느낌이 들었는데, 적어도 악기 소리가 들리는 05:08:404에서 끊어서 8초 스피너로 두는건 어떻게 보시나요?