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B1rd

HK_ wrote:

lol wtf even i can get score like that with relax
more like anyone can

Ok now i get it
you have absolutely no experience with streaming
Looks like the point went way over your head.

But i would like to see you try and get a score like that, or any good streaming score for that matter since you have such a big mouth. I'll be waiting.
Mahogany
B1rd honestly do you really think relax properly represents aiming difficulty

really

I mean that's something a rank 100k would say
Deva
B1rd
It represents aiming difficulty granted you have perfect tapping synchronisation.

I might just make this into a poll since arguing stuff like this is tedious.
Mahogany

B1rd wrote:

It represents aiming difficulty granted you have perfect tapping synchronisation.
...which nobody has. So why are you using it as an example?

Also, even with perfect sync, it's extremely improbable to compensate for aim that's too slow, which relax does, where a normal play would have you missing. Among a multitude of other things.
Yuudachi-kun

B1rd wrote:

HK_ wrote:

lol wtf even i can get score like that with relax
more like anyone can

Ok now i get it
you have absolutely no experience with streaming
Looks like the point went way over your head.

But i would like to see you try and get a score like that, or any good streaming score for that matter since you have such a big mouth. I'll be waiting.
I'll fill in for HK. I'm defining good as combo. Because I have no acc x^dddddd

















That's my excuse to post these.

B1rd wrote:

It represents aiming difficulty granted you have perfect tapping synchronisation.

I might just make this into a poll since arguing stuff like this is tedious.
It doesn't because the bot is a robot. Aiming and tapping aren't affected by each other like they would with a human.
B1rd

Khelly wrote:

I'll fill in for HK. I'm defining good as combo.
Sorry, knowing you I should have specified "HK, and NOT KHELLY"

Nice try though HK.

Mahogany wrote:

B1rd wrote:

It represents aiming difficulty granted you have perfect tapping synchronisation.
...which nobody has. So why are you using it as an example?
It still roughly represents the pure aim component of streams, even if some of the 100s and 50s might of been misses.
Yuudachi-kun
It DOES represent pure aim, but pure aim is misleading. I've come across some people who all they play is relax. And they DT relax some stupid fucking ar11 9* bullshit and have hardly any misses. (Compared to your regular players who would miss a fuckton more) That's pure aim. That dude has better pure aim than me, but he's still a worse player than me when it comes to actually sitting down and aiming and tapping at the same time. If you want, I can dig the username and screesnshot up.

Also, I'm filling in for HK because I am saying the same thing.

lol wtf even i can get score like that with relax
more like anyone can

Ok now i get it
you have absolutely no experience with streaming
Mahogany
No, it really doesn't properly represent aim. You can really fuck around a lot with relax on and it'll pick up all the slack, as it'll automatically compensate for a ridiculous amount of misaim that would cause many, many breaks if it were a human tapping.
Kunino Sagiri

Khelly wrote:

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I don't think an average Joe's finger would prefer onlyforyou's maps stack """""""streams"""""""" edition. The average Joe would need minimal spacing as placebo or his fingers would fail or get a lesser performance.

After all we're used to streaming things with spacing.
Endaris

Mahogany wrote:

B1rd wrote:

It represents aiming difficulty granted you have perfect tapping synchronisation.
...which nobody has. So why are you using it as an example?
Even on Relax notelock occurs upon misaiming when the bpm is not low and OD is not 10. That's the vast majority of nomod maps.
Granted, he would have probably missed due to the insane difficulty of perfectly realigning your tapping after an occurence of notelock on every single 50/100 he got but that is mainly a problem of even slight misaim coupled with OD triggering a much bigger problem on streams.


Aiming streams isn't something worth considering before you developed a consistent tapping-motion anyway and it only starts becoming relevant from the point onwards where the spacing gets so big that the notes almost look like blazing fast singletaps.
You can easily see this on maps like the nyanyanyan-map where the streams at start and end are fairly difficult to aim but still quite doable if you have a good motion - with a good motion you can actually focus on aiming and in the moment you can focus on aiming it is not that hard to aim anymore as it's just conscious micromovement.
I regularly experience this when I'm playing my loved low-bpm maps that spam 1/4 patterns at medium to high spacing. When I'm not warmed up I can just forget FCing these because I have to pay too much attention on my timing and gaining good acc. Once I'm fully warmed up all I have left to do is staring at my cursormovement because my tapping hand entirely runs by itself without any conscious effort given(and with really nice acc).
B1rd

Khelly wrote:

lol wtf even i can get score like that with relax
more like anyone can

Ok now i get it
you have absolutely no experience with streaming
Except none of those scores are with Relax.
Yuudachi-kun

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

Khelly wrote:

-snip-
I don't think an average Joe's finger would prefer onlyforyou's maps stack """""""streams"""""""" edition. The average Joe would need minimal spacing as placebo or his fingers would fail or get a lesser performance.

After all we're used to streaming things with spacing.
Wait, isn't this why I said to have minimal aim straight streams replace the curvy ones in ice angel? I consider just replacing them with stacks to be a different type of jump. I'm not sure if stacks count so much as streams except they more often than not require you to alternate. Surely you can see when I say the harder the spacing the harder it is to keep stamina, tapping, combo I'm talking about replacing Freedom Dive streams with warpledge streams.
Deva
Dude by sole fact that i could get 98% on that map and cant even pass first stream no mod even tho i can stream 200bpm proves you wrong.
Please stop making yourself more retarded than you actually are.
-Makishima S-

B1rd wrote:

Khelly wrote:

Streaming IS aim.
No it's not.
MFW someone say that streams don't require aim... https://osu.ppy.sh/s/46218 (not mention any kind of spaced streams / jump-streams like Cry thunder / Road to resistance). Someone switched his brain with tons of shit.

/me laughing pretty hard

Good thread.

B1rd wrote:

It represents aiming difficulty granted you have perfect tapping synchronisation.
And here another bullshit from you... no, it doesn't and every single player with a bit of knowledge know this that aiming is waaaaaaay easier if you don't need to focus on proper tapping in same time since all your attention is focused only on aim, zero on tapping.
KanoSet

Endaris wrote:

Aiming streams isn't something worth considering before you developed a consistent tapping-motion anyway and it only starts becoming relevant from the point onwards where the spacing gets so big that the notes almost look like blazing fast singletaps.
Kunino Sagiri

Khelly wrote:

Wait, isn't this why I said to have minimal aim straight streams replace the curvy ones in ice angel? I consider just replacing them with stacks to be a different type of jump. I'm not sure if stacks count so much as streams except they more often than not require you to alternate. Surely you can see when I say the harder the spacing the harder it is to keep stamina, tapping, combo I'm talking about replacing Freedom Dive streams with warpledge streams.
Stacks count since it's a stream with 0 spacing. onlyforyou stacks is way harder than Ice Angel stacks since it doesn't stop so let's use it. Try surveying this to random players and see what they'd prefer; the moving one or the stacks version. My fingers would prefer the former.
chainpullz

Mahogany wrote:

No, it really doesn't properly represent aim. You can really fuck around a lot with relax on and it'll pick up all the slack, as it'll automatically compensate for a ridiculous amount of misaim that would cause many, many breaks if it were a human tapping.
So can my fingers. I mean, have you seen my acc? If I was tapping perfect 300s I'd have a few dozen more misses on some maps.
Mahogany
So you can automatically subconsciously slow down your tapping the moment your aim starts to lag behind on a stream? I don't really find that likely.
chainpullz

Mahogany wrote:

So you can automatically subconsciously slow down your tapping the moment your aim starts to lag behind on a stream? I don't really find that likely.
No, I tap in sync with my aim to begin with. There is no slowing down to compensate for the other. It's all one system.
Yuudachi-kun

chainpullz wrote:

Mahogany wrote:

So you can automatically subconsciously slow down your tapping the moment your aim starts to lag behind on a stream? I don't really find that likely.
No, I tap in sync with my aim to begin with. There is no slowing down to compensate for the other. It's all one system.
Does this mean if the aim is harder the tapping is harder for you.
Mahogany

chainpullz wrote:

Mahogany wrote:

So you can automatically subconsciously slow down your tapping the moment your aim starts to lag behind on a stream? I don't really find that likely.
No, I tap in sync with my aim to begin with. There is no slowing down to compensate for the other. It's all one system.
Well, that's why stream aim is hard, because the slightest fuck-up on either end means rip for you, and it's extremely improbable to compensate for misaims you don't expect when there are so many potential points of failure and such a strict aiming requirement
Topic Starter
iderekmc

HK_ wrote:

wtf if i worked a little bit on my aim id be shitting pp
why did nobody tell me earlier about that??
but streamy maps also give a lot of pp ( or isnt there a bonus pp for streams or something similar?)
B1rd

iderekmc wrote:

HK_ wrote:

wtf if i worked a little bit on my aim id be shitting pp
why did nobody tell me earlier about that??
but streamy maps also give a lot of pp ( or isnt there a bonus pp for streams or something similar?)
Not if you have shitty tapping ability so that even though you can aim hard stream maps, you still get no pp becasue you can't tap them accurately enough.
Topic Starter
iderekmc
also guys its not just streams, its like just 5 notes in a "stream pattern", at least i hit 1 100 almost always, whatever bpm the song is. Also, i know that i should start with slow bpm songs, but these songs will probably be like 5 stars and 5 star songs wont help improve my aim at all . the problem is the tapping .
Mahogany
Streamy maps do give insane amounts of PP. It's because there's a ridiculously high object count which contributes to marathon bonus and acc calculations
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