Tapping stamina is directly affected by aim and as aim gets harder, stamina is weaker. If you can longstream 220-250 bpm, I can give you maps.KukiMonster wrote:
Tapping stamina has nothing to do with aim. Well unless maybe you miss note and need to speed up or somethin if thats what you mean.
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I think what Khelly is trying to get at is that as spacing of the stream increases your effective hit window decreases since you are moving in a smooth motion and not snapping each circle. As a result you have to be much more precise with your tapping which is difficult to do while remaining relaxed. By not relaxing as much you take a significant hit to your stamina. When the spacing is almost equivalent to a stack you can basically just fire away at your keys and incur whatever 50s and 100s you want because your cursor will be over top the circle for the entirety of the hit window.
It might be different for mouse users, but this is an observation I've had for awhile when I am wondering why my stamina is shit on some maps than less spaced ones at the same bpm or higher bpm though they're both stream heavy.
ZenithPhantasm
By the way, I find these streams take LESS Stamina than curvy spaced shit like Freedomdive or if Blue Zenith was 222 bpm. I wanted to give an example before but :effort:
Question:
I can stream 190-220bpm just fine, but insta-miss anything below 180bpm, is that normal?
and is there a gradual way to learn streaming, as in, gradually increase/decrease bmp, or just simply play whatever and with time it should be okay?
I can stream 190-220bpm just fine, but insta-miss anything below 180bpm, is that normal?
and is there a gradual way to learn streaming, as in, gradually increase/decrease bmp, or just simply play whatever and with time it should be okay?
I just like, play whatever.
I jumped from 180 -> 220 -> 240 -> 270 though if that means anything.
I jumped from 180 -> 220 -> 240 -> 270 though if that means anything.
Nabel_old_1
wish i could stream 220 bpmTMiracle wrote:
Question:
I can stream 190-220bpm just fine, but insta-miss anything below 180bpm, is that normal?
and is there a gradual way to learn streaming, as in, gradually increase/decrease bmp, or just simply play whatever and with time it should be okay?
just play whatever you like you'll learn how to stream lower/higher bpm(i hope since im in a similar situation).
for me streams are like this:
120 or lower => singletap
120-150 no clue how to do these I just pray that I dont miss by overstreaming
150-185 = low acc but can fc
185-200= high acc
200+ => meh im too slow
Well for 220 it's not exactly ''can ez stream'', it's more like super tryhard and hitting keyboards like a madman, as fast as I bloody can, but somehow I don't miss, so I guess that counts.Nabel wrote:
wish i could stream 220 bpm
just play whatever you like you'll learn how to stream lower/higher bpm(i hope since im in a similar situation).
for me streams are like this:
120 or lower => singletap
120-150 no clue how to do these I just pray that I dont miss by overstreaming
150-185 = low acc but can fc
185-200= high acc
200+ => meh im too slow
I miss on singles after those though, since I gain so much momentum during the stream, I usually click singles too fast.
That's 270-300 territory right there mate
I can't even do 200bpm and I'm 6k
Don't use four dimensions as an example of 220 because the aim is too hard. Try Tout Petit Moneau which is near 222 or "This calling" which is a relaxing 216.
I dunno I never drop stamina on spaced streams aim hand suffers tho. Guess its just tapping preference I always tap light.
You also use a mouse too, so there's that.
thanks! if I start properly, I usually can clear them, tho on the really long ones I don't have enough stamina and quickly go into 100..50...rekt (tho it also might be because of the freedom dive I did before, cuz after feeedom dive my hand literally hurts and fingers are shaking, feeling like metal rods).Khelly wrote:
Don't use four dimensions as an example of 220 because the aim is too hard. Try Tout Petit Moneau which is near 222 or "This calling" which is a relaxing 216.
So I guess taking that into account, after I actually get more ranks and skill, I have potential for 220 after all x__x
though I guess I shouldn't touch these maps till I can 98% normal pleb 5.0* maps at least
I didn't give a fuck about acc and had 90-95% fc's of everything until 4000pp.TMiracle wrote:
though I guess I shouldn't touch these maps till I can 98% normal pleb 5.0* maps at least
Idk... I was just like that and was stuck on same pp count for 2months or so,but then two days ago I thought that no mater how fast I am - it does matter if I can't fc things. So I decided to focus on lower diff songs and try to train consistency and acc instead. Raised my acc on most songs by 10%, so most of the stuff is now 98% average and gained 50pp in one day. Which after being stuck for weeks is quite a lot for me at least. So ye, that's the way it worked for me...Khelly wrote:
I didn't give a fuck about acc and had 90-95% fc's of everything until 4000pp.TMiracle wrote:
though I guess I shouldn't touch these maps till I can 98% normal pleb 5.0* maps at least
Dunno how, but that actually improved my streaming like crazy as well, even though I didn't even stream during that time.
Edit: now that I think about it, getting the first note right is probably the most important thing when streaming, cuz then even if you are inconsistent, you might jsut get away with few 100 or 50 rather than miss (unless it's a crazy long death-stream,then you are done for regardless).
Literally how? How can you mash FC 5 star jumps? That's impossible even with a tablet.Khelly wrote:
I didn't give a fuck about acc and had 90-95% fc's of everything
You should rethink the term "mashing". I just had bad timing and acc. It's not randomly alternating everything. Do you want one of my replays from back then?Kunino Sagiri wrote:
Literally how? How can you mash 5 star jumps? That's impossible even with a tablet.Khelly wrote:
I didn't give a fuck about acc and had 90-95% fc's of everything
Edit: Finding better example[/url]
Secret to cheesing your way to high DT acc is to just play the map OD11 until you fc it then switch to the real version.
Or just use nightcore with music set to 0%
Or just use nightcore with music set to 0%
I don't really know if FC'ing things with bad acc is considered "bad timing", you're hitting them so you're consistently within the requirement for that sweet 300. And nah, I'm fine.Khelly wrote:
You should rethink the term "mashing". I just had bad timing and acc. It's not randomly alternating everything. Do you want one of my replays from back then?
What? You don't know if having 90% acc on Fc's is bad timing?Kunino Sagiri wrote:
I don't really know if FC'ing things is considered "bad timing", you're hitting them so you're consistently within the requirement for that sweet 300. And nah, I'm fine.Khelly wrote:
You should rethink the term "mashing". I just had bad timing and acc. It's not randomly alternating everything. Do you want one of my replays from back then?
Here have an almost fc.
Fucking od7 too.
I wish I had that talent 
Nabel_old_1
http://puu.sh/n9VUV/e19a7d2fb2.png Am I a masher?Kunino Sagiri wrote:
I don't really know if FC'ing things with bad acc is considered "bad timing", you're hitting them so you're consistently within the requirement for that sweet 300. And nah, I'm fine.Khelly wrote:
You should rethink the term "mashing". I just had bad timing and acc. It's not randomly alternating everything. Do you want one of my replays from back then?
all my 5 star fcs are shit acc :/ (dem A rank fcs gotta love them) Streams always destroy my acc if they are out of my comfort zone. But streamy maps are the only 5 star maps I can fc feelsbad.It is bad timing. Hitting too early is bad timing right?Kunino Sagiri wrote:
I don't really know if FC'ing things with bad acc is considered "bad timing", you're hitting them so you're consistently within the requirement for that sweet 300.
Not always bad timing though. Sometimes I have bad acc because I misread 1 part (like Khelly did on his replay, I think he misread the beginning? Not sure) and getting 50s and 100s but the combo doesn't break.
I'm more or less similar to Khelly, bad timing (idk, I feel like i hit the circles at the right timing most of the time yet still many 100s).
That's because you never practiced.
Holy shit why didn't I think of that, Khelly you da real mvpKhelly wrote:
That's because you never practiced.
aye ayeKhelly wrote:
That's because you never practiced.
If you are getting a whole string of 100's or 50's then you are either starting the stream a little too early or a little too late. You could have your mind STUCK focused thinking that 1 sound in the song could be the start of the stream when it could be something else. I suggest watching some replays on whichever map you're working on.
I would also suggest to NOT do slower streams. If you're like me when it comes to streams (and it sounds like you are) it's much easier to do faster ones. Play some stream maps and when you find a fit that is good for your natural speed work on that map. When you can consistently do well at your natural stream speed then you can lower it or speed it up with new maps.
My top ranks don't really show it but ever since 2 - 2.5 stars a year ago i could stream quite well. But that doesn't really matter when you aren't fluent in AR9, squares, triangles, jumps etc
I would also suggest to NOT do slower streams. If you're like me when it comes to streams (and it sounds like you are) it's much easier to do faster ones. Play some stream maps and when you find a fit that is good for your natural speed work on that map. When you can consistently do well at your natural stream speed then you can lower it or speed it up with new maps.
My top ranks don't really show it but ever since 2 - 2.5 stars a year ago i could stream quite well. But that doesn't really matter when you aren't fluent in AR9, squares, triangles, jumps etc
Except none of your top ranks are streamy on the slightest? Also ~1k pp and call yourself good at streaming? I'm at 1.9k pp and even though streaming/stamina is my strength, I'm sure I'm not good at it.Mvsk wrote:
If you are getting a whole string of 100's or 50's then you are either starting the stream a little too early or a little too late. You could have your mind STUCK focused thinking that 1 sound in the song could be the start of the stream when it could be something else. I suggest watching some replays on whichever map you're working on.
I would also suggest to NOT do slower streams. If you're like me when it comes to streams (and it sounds like you are) it's much easier to do faster ones. Play some stream maps and when you find a fit that is good for your natural speed work on that map. When you can consistently do well at your natural stream speed then you can lower it or speed it up with new maps.
My top ranks don't really show it but ever since 2 - 2.5 stars a year ago i could stream quite well. But that doesn't really matter when you aren't fluent in AR9, squares, triangles, jumps etc
Sorry, but I'm skeptical here.
Streams hardly even exist at the 1k pp level, lol. At best they're talking about like 120bpm shortstreams or something, which really says nothing for streaming ability.
Probably he categorized 5 1/4 notes as streaming
I'm 2.3k pp and all I experienced were jumps, triples, and just more patterns. No stream-heavy maps so far.
Maybe I should just play more maps. Maybe I should not be here in this thread, too.
Maybe I should just play more maps. Maybe I should not be here in this thread, too.
Arthraxium wrote:
I'm 2.3k pp and all I experienced were jumps, triples, and just more patterns. No stream-heavy maps so far.
Maybe I should just play more maps. Maybe I should not be here in this thread, too.
Unless I'm failing to see something, I'm pretty sure you've encountered some streams, or shortstreams at least by now.From my experience they are just as common around this rank,maybe you just don't remember.
Either that or I have no idea what streams are.
Try to control your tapping speed, slower streams are harder but it's hard to control your speed
Exceptions probably are like Rubik's Cube 7x7x7 or some medium length streams (15-20 notes). I don't play maps with lots of 20+ note streams.Arthraxium wrote:
I'm 2.3k pp and all I experienced were jumps, triples, and just more patterns. No stream-heavy maps so far.
Maybe I should just play more maps. Maybe I should not be here in this thread, too.
128bpm streams are scary dude.Mahogany wrote:
Streams hardly even exist at the 1k pp level, lol. At best they're talking about like 120bpm shortstreams or something, which really says nothing for streaming ability.
That map is not for 1k pp though.chainpullz wrote:
128bpm streams are scary dude.Mahogany wrote:
Streams hardly even exist at the 1k pp level, lol. At best they're talking about like 120bpm shortstreams or something, which really says nothing for streaming ability.