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toby fox - Spider Dance [Taiko]

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OzzyOzrock
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OzzyOzrock
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Monday, February 15, 2016 at 11:58:59 AM

Artist: toby fox
Title: Spider Dance
Source: Undertale
Tags: radiation muffet donut cider
BPM: 230
Filesize: 3268kb
Play Time: 01:40
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.52 stars, 254 notes)
  2. Kantan (1.87 stars, 156 notes)
  3. Muzukashii (3.41 stars, 396 notes)
  4. Oni (4.19 stars, 570 notes)
  5. Spider Donut 9999G (6.08 stars, 859 notes)
Download: toby fox - Spider Dance
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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AhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuWHOOOOOO AAAARE YOU? WHO WHO? WHO WHO?~



Version with only Kantan difficulty.



Skin by Gezo...
Last edited by OzzyOzrock , edited 13 times in total.
Lost The Lights
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Lost The Lights
Firetruck you Ozzy
Shyguy
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Shyguy
small change that you don't have to take, lol

i'd change the 'background and video events' part of the .osu files to be 0,0,"spiderdance.jpg",0,200 (it's the coolest part you can look at in the bg that you can fit in the bg rectangle while you're playing, i swear)
OzzyOzrock
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Shyguy wrote:

small change that you don't have to take, lol

i'd change the 'background and video events' part of the .osu files to be 0,0,"spiderdance.jpg",0,200 (it's the coolest part you can look at in the bg that you can fit in the bg rectangle while you're playing, i swear)
i have it at 0,65 which is gets both you and muffet in the pic but the SB i added overrides it
Hanjamon
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Hanjamon
awesome!
Ascendance
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S a n d
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S a n d

Taiko mod request from: OzzyOzrock
Request Type: M4M
Request Diff: Kantan, Futsuu, Muzukashii, Oni, Spider Donut 9999G
Modding Content: Kantan, Futsuu, Muzukashii, Oni, Spider Donut 9999G
*Note: I mod map according to my style of mapping, so sorry if it is unpractical >_<*
*Since idk how to mod an entire set, and Ozzy has forced me to ;w;, the mod will probably suck*
*also I don't have fancy banner for Futsuu and Kantan*


- 00:31:382 - The preview point is not snapped properly qwq

[Kantan]Imagine this is a cool ass banner
- 00:03:730 - Move to 00:03:599 and change to k? It honestly feels off snapped.
- 00:12:077 - Move to 00:11:947? ^
- 00:20:425 - Move to 00:20:295? ^
- 00:22:512 - Remove? To be consistent with 00:21:469
- 00:36:991 - Felt missing D: Add k?
- 00:41:164 - ^
- 00:45:338 - ^
- 01:27:208 - Consider a slider?
- 01:35:556 - ^
Nice diff ;w;

[Futsuu]Imagine this is a cool ass banner
- Ummm, I think the gap is a bit big between Futsuu -> Muzu?
- 00:04:773 - Add k? So 00:05:817 makes sense
- 00:13:121 - ^
- I love the kiai
- 00:49:643 - Add k? Idk, it fits better for me.
Not much I can say ;w;


- 00:02:295 - Add a note here? Felt empty :P
- 00:18:991 - Add k here? ^
- 00:32:947 - Add k here? Felt empty again :P #Undermapped
- 01:13:773 - ^
- 01:14:164 - Change to k? It is high pitched, also to be consistent with 01:09:860


- 00:25:512 - Add d here? Kinda fits the background more.
- 00:36:664 - Add k here? So it is consistent with 00:34:056 and 00:35:621
- 00:38:751 - Add k here? Consistency with 00:39:795
- 00:40:969 - Add k here? Kinda like the sound of this
- 00:42:925- Add k here? Consistency with 00:43:969 (repeated suggestion as third)
- 00:45:143 - Add d here? Kinda like the sound of this (repeated suggestion as fourth)
- 00:46:643 - Add k? Follows the background sound.
- 00:49:121 - d k k -> ddkdk? Better emphasize to the ending?
- 01:03:208 - k d k d -> k k d k d? Fits the background sound better.
- 01:05:686 - Add k here? Same reason as ^
- 01:14:164 - Change to k? It's high pitch, also to be consistent with 01:09:860
- 01:24:404 - Remove? It doesn't really have 1/4 sound there ;w;
- 01:27:143 - kkkkkkkkkd - > kdkdkdkdkd? It kinda fits the background better, also, this way that the player won't have the problem of alternating with wrong hand. (Yes, I thought the stream ends on the hand I started)
- 01:28:577 - Remove? Reasons stated above
- 01:32:751 - ^
- 01:35:491 - Same suggestion as 01:27:143
- 01:36:925 - Remove? Reason stated above above (?


- The diff name ;w;........ Ono doesn't allow ;w;.......
- 00:09:338 - Add k? I see that you are trying to give it a break, but fuck it, this is inner
- 00:13:056 - Add d here and 00:14:099 add k here? Ik it's over map, but I hope you like it ;w;.
- 00:46:969 - Remove? I think it sounds better :P
- 00:48:404 - Remove? Sounds better, also a bit lesser over map lol.
- 00:52:643 - Change to d? It sounds better, but the flow sucks tho.
- 01:28:643 - Change to d? It's not high pitched.
- 01:32:817 - ^
There isn't much to say about this diff, I like it qwq

Overall, this map is great, all of them are minor changes. Sorry that I really can't point out anything good for things those are not Oni or higher.

GL ranking :3
OzzyOzrock
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No suggestions from Kantan anf Futsuu and Muzu taken (empty parts are because breaks are needed), but did add and remove some stuff I noticed on my own.

Oni removed some 1/4 from the end +made the streams simpler, but kiai will stay as it is.
Spider Donut was nerfed at mentioned parts, no pitch suggestions taken.

Thanks S a n s!!!
Lost The Lights
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Lost The Lights
I'm modding this because i can mostly because you helped me with Tem Shop

d=don
k=kat
D=Big Don
K=Big Kat
r=remove
(?)=Suggestion

[Kantan]
  1. Man firetruck easier diffs, i dont get them.
[Futsuu]
  1. Same as Kantan.
[Muzukashii]
  1. OK NOW IS WHERE I CAN ACTUALLY SUGGEST STUFF.
  2. It sounds better if you change this 00:50:686 - to d and add a k here 00:50:817 - (?)
  3. Nvm i still suck.
[Oni]
  1. 00:02:686 - I think this one sounds better as k.
  2. 00:19:382 - ^ and also 00:20:034 - change to d for consistency with 00:03:338 - (also sounds better as d)
  3. 00:33:991 (169,170,171,172,173) - These notes follow better the music as ddk d k.
  4. 00:37:251 (194,195,196,197) - k d k k sounds better also.
  5. 00:37:904 - Change to k for music and stuff (?)
  6. 00:42:339 (231,232,233,234,235) - Same as before.
  7. 00:45:599 (256,257,258,259) - ^
  8. 00:50:686 (283,284) - ctrl + g, 283 sounds lower than 284.
  9. 00:51:730 - I find this pattern fits more like this:
  10. 00:58:512 (343,344) - ctrl + g for obvious reasons.
  11. 00:59:034 (345,346,347,348) - Same here.
  12. 01:14:034 - this is clearly louder than 01:14:164 - , so i suggest to change it into k. (?)
  13. 01:27:143 - Isn't this too hard compared to Muzu? (also this kdkdkd etc streams on high bpm are annoying for singletappers like me hu3)
  14. 01:30:730 - Same as before, k. (?)
  15. 01:35:491 - and yeah, rip.
  16. I didn't expect to find so many stuff i would change here lolz.
[Spider Donut 9999G]
  1. 00:31:382 - Since it's an Inner Oni, i would say "map this part" but this is up to you.
  2. 00:50:817 - k follows better the music imo.
  3. 00:51:730 (17,18,19,20,21,22) - Try changing these into ddk ddd. (?)
  4. 00:52:643 (27,28,29,39,40,41) - kdk both please *runs*
That's All. u made tem prouds.
OzzyOzrock
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i added some stuff... find out...
Ascendance
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Ascendance
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my taiko map is good pls... remove ur noob diff let me thanks oj
Raiden
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Raiden

Ascendance wrote:

I like dick
same

[ General]

  • AiMod
  1. u gonna delete the sb?
    Audio
  2. lol
    Background
  3. spook
    Inconsistencies
  4. none
    Folder
  5. good

[ Kantan]

  1. its so boring that it must be good..
[ Futsuu]

  1. HP6 lol you jumped from HP7 kantan futsuu to HP5 muzu you savage
  2. 00:36:469 - add d for obvious reasons
  3. 00:44:817 - same
[ Muzukashii]

  1. 01:25:773 (62,63) - kkk????????????????????????????????
  2. 01:27:208 (67,68) - kkk too.................
  3. 01:35:621 - up arrow / exponential symbol
[ Oni]

  1. OD5 bye... or OD7 doughnut milk diff
  2. 00:08:034 (33,34,35) - maybe these are UNNECESSARY? or at least reduce volume come on,.,....................
  3. 00:12:599 (62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69) - finisher on all? because yes
  4. 00:16:382 (73,74,75) - same as first suggestion
  5. the kiai is neat holy shit
[ ur mom]

  1. 00:41:165 (85) - d for the glory of satan
  2. 00:58:969 (107) - k because light tone and because i say so
  3. 01:10:643 - 01:10:904 - why leave blank
  4. 01:14:817 - 01:14:947 - 01:15:077 - same tbh
  5. 01:32:034 (362) - delete to make more consistent, no? like there is always a 1/1 gap unless you want to KILL PEOPLE
  6. 01:37:382 (411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421) - what why
  7. 01:39:664 (434) - that is cruel sir..,, I LIKE
OzzyOzrock
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OzzyOzrock

Raiden wrote:

Ascendance wrote:

I like dick
same same

[ Futsuu]

  1. HP6 lol you jumped from HP7 kantan futsuu to HP5 muzu you savage fk buffed futsuu 7 and kantan 8
  2. 00:36:469 - add d for obvious reasons i think it somehow makes spread a bit uglier since having these d d d makes it seem like something complicated it there in muzu
  3. 00:44:817 - same
[ Muzukashii]

  1. 01:25:773 (62,63) - kkk???????????????????????????????? no bitch
  2. 01:27:208 (67,68) - kkk too................. ok!
  3. 01:35:621 - up arrow / exponential symbol ok!
[ Oni]

  1. OD5 bye... or OD7 doughnut milk diff
  2. 00:08:034 (33,34,35) - maybe these are UNNECESSARY? or at least reduce volume come on,.,.................... no way... but i fixed this part since it was mapped wrong..
  3. 00:12:599 (62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69) - finisher on all? because yes no because NO
  4. 00:16:382 (73,74,75) - same as first suggestion ,,,so you want these OD 5 Kappa
  5. the kiai is neat holy shit
[ ur mom]

  1. 00:41:165 (85) - d for the glory of satan Changed to kkddkdkkk instead, as I want the high note.
  2. 00:58:969 (107) - k because light tone and because i say so way too funky for a part like this
  3. 01:10:643 - 01:10:904 - why leave blank it's because the next part is a harder version of this part
  4. 01:14:817 - 01:14:947 - 01:15:077 - same tbh Added a k because it should be there
  5. 01:32:034 (362) - delete to make more consistent, no? like there is always a 1/1 gap unless you want to KILL PEOPLE IT'S FOR KILL
  6. 01:37:382 (411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421) - what why FOR THE GLORY OF SANTA
  7. 01:39:664 (434) - that is cruel sir..,, I LIKE ty
ty...
Raiden
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i need 12 sp lol
Yuii-
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Raiden wrote:

i need 12 sp lol
yeah, fixed
Raiden
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Raiden
last
on Oni

00:29:295 (151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161) - shouldn't this be d d__k k__d d__k k like 00:12:599 (62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69) - ??
OzzyOzrock
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intentional, since that part gets a bit denser every time
Raiden
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

Please die in hell.


osu! needs less undertale.
Rosemarie
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Hi, Mod from my queue
(Muzukashi Onily)

[Muzukashi]
00:41:034 - k d

01:03:469 - d

01:05:556 - d

01:13:904 - k

01:27:469 ~ 01:27:599 - k d k d

01:35:556 ~ 01:35:947 - ^

01:38:686 ~ 01:39:208 - K d d K
(it is maybe hard to muzu user...?)

[General]

HP 8,7 are too hard i think (Kantan,Futsuu)
(change to 4,5 ?)

change to HP 4 (Muzukashi)

Very good map :)
Good Luck!
Sync
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8-)
Yuzeyun
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I'm holding a mod sale "by nominators, for nominators, of nominators!"

you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin

[Kantan]
00:02:686 (4,5,6,7) - The current pattern sounds pretty weird - the last note as k threw me off when listening again to the chart. Change to k d k d or something of the same kind ?
00:19:381 (4,5,6,7,8) - Same goes here, although I'd ask for kkd for the end.
00:56:947 (67,68,69,70) - Having this sequence and a 4/1 gap here at 00:58:512 (71,72) - is pretty awkward - you usually have your break at the end of a phrase.
01:19:382 (12,13,14,15,16,17) - Change this to have a slight difference with 01:15:208 (6,7,8,9,10,11) - ?
01:27:208 (25) - 01:35:556 (40) - idk, but when I delete them they have a better feeling. Might be me just having problems in my head. Maybe give it a try to see if you like it ?

[Futsuu]
00:31:121 (71) - Even though this note lands on something, it's pretty awkward considering the rhythms you use through this part.
00:56:425 (141,142,143,144,145,146,147) - You have a lot of 7plets in this, I'd recommend deleting a note somewhere in this one - you may need a break to help.

[Muzukashii]
HP5 is really low for these few notes (~400)
01:39:730 - idk maybe a k/K would fit here

[Oni]
00:02:686 (14) - This as don was pretty weird to play.
00:19:382 (91) - same tbh

[SPINE DONER KEBAB 72G]
00:55:382 (62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78) - UR WEIRD it really doesn't fit at all, i tried this : http://i.chiyozel.com/hHqqlpFp

here's a flower to help you getting this ranked:




call raiden after you've considered mods
you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin
Mid
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Mid
I demand OD 7 for Spider Donut diff
OzzyOzrock
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_Gezo_ wrote:

I'm holding a mod sale "by nominators, for nominators, of nominators!"

you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin you forgot the skin

[Kantan]
00:02:686 (4,5,6,7) - The current pattern sounds pretty weird - the last note as k threw me off when listening again to the chart. Change to k d k d or something of the same kind ?
00:19:381 (4,5,6,7,8) - Same goes here, although I'd ask for kkd for the end. remapped
00:56:947 (67,68,69,70) - Having this sequence and a 4/1 gap here at 00:58:512 (71,72) - is pretty awkward - you usually have your break at the end of a phrase. its longer to be harder at the end, and the break leads into the song changing
01:19:382 (12,13,14,15,16,17) - Change this to have a slight difference with 01:15:208 (6,7,8,9,10,11) - ? no
01:27:208 (25) - 01:35:556 (40) - idk, but when I delete them they have a better feeling. Might be me just having problems in my head. Maybe give it a try to see if you like it ? yeah

[Futsuu]
00:31:121 (71) - Even though this note lands on something, it's pretty awkward considering the rhythms you use through this part. no
00:56:425 (141,142,143,144,145,146,147) - You have a lot of 7plets in this, I'd recommend deleting a note somewhere in this one - you may need a break to help. nerfed

[Muzukashii]
HP5 is really low for these few notes (~400) fix
01:39:730 - idk maybe a k/K would fit here kk

[Oni]
00:02:686 (14) - This as don was pretty weird to play. UR WEIRD
00:19:382 (91) - same tbh

[SPINE DONER KEBAB 72G]
00:55:382 (62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78) - UR WEIRD it really doesn't fit at all, i tried this : http://i.chiyozel.com/hHqqlpFp i changed the stream to fit more but still be how i want it to be
ty for the f--IN TAIKO IT'S DON OR BE KAT

Quizmaegi wrote:

[Muzukashi]
00:41:034 - k d

01:03:469 - d

01:05:556 - d

01:13:904 - k

01:27:469 ~ 01:27:599 - k d k d

01:35:556 ~ 01:35:947 - ^

01:38:686 ~ 01:39:208 - K d d K
(it is maybe hard to muzu user...?)

Changes would kinda hurt spread instead of make it easier :(

[General]

HP 8,7 are too hard i think (Kantan,Futsuu)
(change to 4,5 ?)

change to HP 4 (Muzukashi)

Nope, new rules.

Midnaait wrote:

I demand OD 7 for Spider Donut diff
tbh yeah changing to 7 since it's so easy to SS
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Raiden
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hi im fine nice to meet you

Re-bubbled!
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;_;
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ok its gonna be ranked
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lolcubes wrote:

;_;
NEVER GIVE UP!
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spare
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Nice :D
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tunn tunenetnetn., bui dunot
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Gratz~
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Congratz~
OzzyOzrock
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finally
Raiden
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holy shit
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gratz :)
tasuke912
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Great
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Oh, I'm late. Sorry about that xD

Congrats tho :D
Yuzeyun
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Actually we're both late :D
Ozzy was tired of waiting for me so he asked you
BUT THE OPPOSITE AS WELL LOL
OnosakiHito
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In all honest, I would be for a disqualification after a talk with the mapper about the difficulty name. I mean really now, what is "Spider Donut 9999G" supposed to mean? Maybe it's some kind of element from this song but this doesn't indicate anything in difficulty. True, we have the star rating and the icon which shows which difficulty is harder, but because of that, do we really have to do something like this in cost of the difficulty name? Don't know guys, to me this isn't a difficulty name and only indicates in the future to use more weird difficulty names. I still think it is the best to use the old and well working diff name system which prevents any discussions or problems in the future, too.

Inner Oni would have been absolute enough. It's up to you at the end (and maybe QATs) as we don't have such rule to prevent you of it. But that's why I appeal to your sense and reconsider it again.
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Do spiders have pusspuss?
Okoayu
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I like that diffname, it's witty and allowed through the rc
-Sh1n1-
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Gratz Ozzy~~ I know that feel, I was waiting around 4 months to rank my map u.u
MMzz
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Will you rank apparition now?
Lust
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Okoratu wrote:

I like that diffname, it's witty and allowed through the rc
I like it too, its unique and adds a refreshing spin to the boringness that is taiko difficulty names
OnosakiHito
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That's way too subjective which lead in osu to an abnormal way of diff-name handling from time to time. I told MMzz already, if people really want this, fine. But my reason for this mention is that it is not a difficulty name at all. It doesn't indicate anything at all and animates people to go for more nonsense diff-names as we have it in osu already. What happens in osu with diff names is due to the slacky thinking of people that this isn't anything important and a way to "express their art", which is ridiculous. Because of this mindset, people write whole sentences for a diff name. I mean, really now? That's what you support? Because in your personal opinion it doesn't matter? That's exactly the mindset which will backfire later because, people will always refer to "that one case when it was alowed to have such name", while you (or QAT) can't defend yourself since your opinion isn't objective in any way, but rather a "mh, whatever" behaviour. Didn't you learn anything from the past?

Spider Donut 9999G. Why not in the next Taiko beatmap "The Dragon flys high with its wings"? Or even better, "Uncompressed Fury of a Raging Japanese Taiko God"? I can't figure out your way of thinking which would lead to support this beside personal preferences which do not follow any logical reason.

Don't get me wrong guys. Really. I'm not angry or anything like that. As I said, go your way if you really want it. But the reasoning from you is so weak, it is going into my nerfs. There is no real argumentation which would backup your opinion, beside subjective things or the hide behind the rule which allows such names. And the agurment "this is art" or "it's refreshing" doesn't make people halt to use absolutely unacceptable diff names. And if this should happen once, you have in my opinion no word anymore, since you allowed it previously. But if you still don't allow certain names next time, then you just enforce your own preferences to the mapper since you abandoned the objective thinking. And if this should happen, I will refer to this case here.

That's how I think about this situation. Call me a nazi in this matter. But I'm looking at this from a bigger picture. And if you go already for such small things the "meh, whatever" way, then I wonder what happens when the big things happen. The pure fact that MMzz ignored me isn't very respectful either and should make you guys think a bit about it.

Once again, do it your way if you really have to do it. But at least don't forget what I said and consider it.
Okoayu
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Intersubjectivity is the term you're talking about
OzzyOzrock
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OzzyOzrock
My reasoning? Names like [Inner Oni] are boring as hell. The only reason we use them is because we're so hellbound on following the authentic games, but that's not even the diff name in the authentic games, it's just called Ura Oni BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY INSIDE THE ONI. I've always hated the fact that we have to follow that tradition and have to add [______ Oni] for it to be valid. Having 'Oni' in two different diff names is hideous and I've always hated it. If TnT would have had a better way to showcase their 5th diff or if they didn't follow traditions like all rhythm games love to do, it'd probably be 'Kichigai' or something

Not to mention that literally no one is bothered in cases like this. I wouldn't go as far as to name every diff something dumb, but the freedom of labeling the hardest diff something different has been in osu! for the longest time and I plan to take it to taiko.
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Okoratu wrote:

Intersubjectivity is the term you're talking about
That's what happened to Kantan up to Ura / Inner Oni, Ozzy. It was a cause which didn't harm anyone and made everything unified and something we use now since years. Overthrowing it now because of personal preferences I find very overbearing, and the reasons are stated above. Hiding behind a rule without taking care of the sense is more than questionable. But well, if that's how you wanna handle things I can't stop you of course. But it doesn't change the fact that the argumentation has everywhere holes just because people act for their very own preference. And that's a problem in my opinion. Especially when it goes into a bigger scale.
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Is anyone harmed by this diffname on a bigger scale Ono?
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I refer to my second post again.
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Your reasoning goes in circles :P. One side will say "no it doesn't harm anyone" and the other side will say "this harms the quality of diffnames" and then the whole argument will take off in circles like it did when we discussed this in PM.
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this post is not about diff names

[Spider Donut gggg9]

I just gotta ask


Why does stuff like 01:37:382 (412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422) - exist? It's incredibly overdone and has no real relation to the song except short notes in the song that don't even last that long. It feels like a random increase in density without anything happening in the song, additionally we have stuff like 01:35:490 (391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399,400) - that should be more noticeable, since that's actual 1/4 in the song and therefore more noticeable if you had no notes, yet everything here is just yet another "long" 1/4 pattern because stuff was overmapped, so you don't notice that there's a difference between equally long 1/4. It's also the only time you overmapped it this much, all other parts use normal triplets.

While we're at it, 01:15:208 - 01:23:556 - is also non-stop 1/2 while the part after this is not. The difference in how loud these parts are is VERY big though, but the mentioned part feels more powerful due to giving you no break at all. And yes you could've mapped non-stop 1/2 after that too, it would've made stuff even worse though :3. Suggestion would be to remove all dons in the mentioned parts because basically the main melody is kats.


I also think that 00:33:469 - 01:06:860 - could use a few more breaks, or at least 00:50:164 - but that's entirely different and more subjective (the 1/4 is too much here partially too though), the stuff above is more troublesome

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advice

Pretty much all i have to say here, i don't really see any reason to make a fuss about this.
Why would you even try to enforce rules which don't exist? Anyway, it's a nice diff and the diffname is cool too, so seriously.. who cares?
OzzyOzrock
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nwolf, the stream at the end is mapped to the rising rhythm (dudududududu) leading into the big notes, simple as that. it could have been mapped something like k kkd ddk k or something, but i need to keep my image of a shitstream mapper ;)

as for that 1/2 part, yeah i guess you could see non-stop 1/2 as being more intense, but i don't lol. being slower and easier to read has much more worth as being easier at this BPM imo. as for the transition both parts go 'something with breaks -> same thing but with no breaks', so basically consistency's sake as far as variation goes.


Megpoid GUMI - Sorry For Being a Shitmapper
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exactly, the dududuudud is 01:39:208 (428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442) - (I guess?) but 01:37:382 (412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422) - makes it seem less note-worthy. It feels very out of place in the overall map
OzzyOzrock
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it's definitely 'not worthy' of a stream (it's not 1/4 but literally so many things in the song aren't) but it's how i felt like mapping that rhythm xd
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

it's definitely 'not worthy' of a stream
Then you already know what to do for that pattern >:(

About 01:15:208 - 01:23:556 - , it's perfectly fine, the rest of the song is mapped with a high density, so going full 1/2 with no breaks is not a problem, it's better to follow without interruptions the melody here, maybe just delete the 1/4 notes there to keep the melody clean.

As for the diff name, let me state my view about it. I kind of understand the difficulty name, but the problem here is that it's out of semantics with the rest of the difficulty, (imagine writing some philosophical term in your grocery list), it's odd, out of place. Since you're stubborn about it, I'd suggest to: follow the standard difficulty naming, go full custom names (I haven't completed the game so I have no idea if it's possible to fill the list with related items), or isn't just "Spider Donut" an option?

But fix the stream, please. You say it's leading into the big notes, but for the same reason, the stream somehow opaques the big notes.
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I say 'not worthy' because if it was being mapped easier, it wouldn't be mapped that way. But since I am specifically choosing to overmap, I will choose to. everyone knows my signature endings...

Spider Donut would not work, because then you don't know if it's 7G or if it's 9999G.
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It seems that the spider is not dancing anymore
Raiden
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ok the only thing killing me is the last big note because my hand still keeps the 1/4 motion so i miss like a bitch

maybe add a note here 01:40:186 - and remove the finisher on the last note so it's ended like a stream?

as for the 01:37:382 (412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422) - im totally ok with it so ye

call me when youve considered this
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You shouldn't be forcing patterns where they don't belong to just because you felt like it. Rest of overmapped stuff isn't bad because it fits and complement nicely the music, but this one isn't :(
OzzyOzrock
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It's not forced. There is a change in melody that I'd like to emphasize with a stream.
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discussed that last suggestion with the mapper

SPOILER
09:31 Raiden: u ok
09:31 OzzyOzrock: hey
09:31 Raiden: did you read what i posted lmao
09:32 OzzyOzrock: no
09:33 Raiden: whoa fuck you
09:33 Raiden: actually no, you gave #2 to app...
09:33 OzzyOzrock: WTF
09:33 OzzyOzrock: how is spider dance in WIP?
09:33 OzzyOzrock: who put it there LOL
09:33 Raiden: when a map
09:33 Raiden: is dq
09:33 Raiden: it moves to wip
09:33 Raiden: just update to pending
09:33 Raiden: but at least answer to me
09:33 Raiden: so "discussion has been made"
09:35 OzzyOzrock: oooo
09:35 OzzyOzrock: where
09:35 OzzyOzrock: what
09:35 OzzyOzrock: OH
09:35 OzzyOzrock: ok
09:35 Raiden: lmao
09:35 Raiden: like the last note
09:35 Raiden: is just another 00:00:078 (1) - 
09:35 OzzyOzrock: no that was a dumb suggestion,,,
09:35 Raiden: so its dumb
09:35 Raiden: to have a finisher
09:36 OzzyOzrock: it's a meme to start the 2nd loop with D....
09:36 OzzyOzrock: i follow memes...
09:36 Raiden: i dont rank memes
09:36 OzzyOzrock: UM
09:36 OzzyOzrock: I BEG TO DIFFER
09:36 Raiden: anymore*
09:36 OzzyOzrock: .
09:37 OzzyOzrock: oh i remember why i did it....... cuz it'd be kdkdkdkkkdkdkdkdd
09:37 OzzyOzrock: zoom in
09:37 OzzyOzrock: kdkdkdd
09:37 OzzyOzrock: kdkdd
09:37 OzzyOzrock: kdd'
09:37 OzzyOzrock: kdd.....
09:37 Raiden: ,.,,.,
09:37 Raiden: kill...
09:37 OzzyOzrock: AND
09:37 OzzyOzrock: ASYMMETRICAL
09:37 OzzyOzrock: kdkdk dkkkd kdkdk
09:38 OzzyOzrock: U TRYING TO BREAK THE SMMENRYT,,
09:38 OzzyOzrock: TO kdkdk dkkkd kdkdkdk
09:38 Raiden: o
09:38 Raiden: best reasnng
09:38 Raiden: 10/5
09:38 OzzyOzrock: IT'S ART
09:38 OzzyOzrock: 5/7
09:38 Raiden: r
09:38 Raiden: ok
I see no reason to not push this forward again

reminder to put your cover on the description you can thank me later
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ok, better reasoning for the kdkdkdkkkdkdkdk is flow in general, with the constant kdkdkdkdk easily leading into a satisfying big note hit, ty
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I think what Ozzy means is the difference in melody at 01:37:643 with the higher pitched 1/2 which is indeed a bit different compared to previous parts, am I possibly right Ozzy? On the other hand I can understand why people mentioned this, since these higher pitched sounds start a bit later than the stream:
  1. 01:37:382 - start of the stream
  2. 01:37:643 - difference in melody
That's why I would rather suggest a middle way instead of keeping it or changing it entirely. How about just deleting note at 01:37:577 (415) - . The benefits of this would be to continue with the consistency of kkd, keeping a stream as you wanted and following by this the pace in a more accurate way. One note makes a big difference here and actually makes the pattern more accurate which follows your reasoning.

As for the 01:40:121 (442,443) - , personally I don't find it that problematic because you have the possibility to switch from kat to don which makes it easier to play due to finger switch. But just to make sure, maybe asking for more opinions woulnd't hurt, right?

And one more thing about the difficulty name, since Dake mentioned it. Isn't it possible to have a middle way here, too? I don't know the game, so I can't give any suggestion. But is it possible to bound this name somehow with the difficulty "Oni"? You know, things like we had already in the past: Wrath Oni, WereOni and stuff.

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@Raiden: While it is of course mappers decision how he makes his patterns, you are still not allowed to bubble maps until conclusions haven't been found. You went over Dake and Nwolf's concern without waiting for their final answer, especially Dake.

DakeDekaane wrote:

You shouldn't be forcing patterns where they don't belong to just because you felt like it. Rest of overmapped stuff isn't bad because it fits and complement nicely the music, but this one isn't :(
No agreement found yet. The bubble was too rushed. Hence, normaly it should be popped until things are settled. After that you can go for the rebubble.

BN rules wrote:

  1. Do not rebubble a manually popped bubble without talking to the actual popper beforehand. (Ono: Here it is a DQ, tho)
  2. Setting the popped bubble icon on a map's thread means you found issue in a bubbled map that hinders it from being qualified enough for being Qualified. You can also pop over other things like overmapping or things you really feel are just not right.
You are too unconcerned / slacky. And Ozzy's reasoning with all the memes and flow stuff too weak. everyone knows my signature endings... is like saying you can do whatever you want just because it's a mapping lable for you. And we all know, such things with such reasonings ain't work. Though, I backed up some points a bit since I believe I understood the purpose here. But it's not professional, this whole talk from mapper side.
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Ozzy answered to their concerns (so there's a conclusion of this), and I agreed with them, hence I am totally allowed to rebubble if I deem fit. I am not unconcerned/slacky in any way.
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Dake did not state that it is resolved, did he
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A conclusion isn't found by mapper declining the points. If a concern has been raised and it got backed up by several people for various / same reasons it can't be ignored and should be given several thoughts + possible other solutions. Aka a middle way.

Btw. bananannian told me the addition of "Oni" has been already talked about. I probably just missed it. So you can ignore that point.
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peppy wrote:

MORE PEOPLE CHECKING YOUR MAP IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR> THEY ARE DOING IT FOR FREE> IF YOU DON"T AGREE THEN FOLLOW UP IN THE THREAD< (BUT STOP FUCKIGN COMPLAINING) > THE THINGS WRITTEN BY QATS ARE NOT FINAL> IF YOU DONT AGREE THEN SAY YOU DONT AGREE>
put the irrelevant thing in brackets
I don't think a middle way has to be forced as this was discussed reasonably *at least from what i can tell*
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Okoratu, it doesn't help what you post. People want to find solutions (since as it seems, more guys said something about it) and expect a proper answer by mapper. He doesn't have to accept it, no! But he should answer at least to everything properly. Right now, the bubble has just been rushed and previous people ignored. That's not acting respectful. And please, just let the Taiko guys now settle this in a calm way. I'm really not interested to talk to you about such things when I exactly know that I (or we) can talk to Ozzy freely. We know each other long enough and don't wanna harm him anyway. He knows it.

Right Ozzy...? :(
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I discussed with Ozzy a bit about this map couple hours ago.

Difficulty name: basically he's making a point. He's probably not going to relent on the matter either, so the difficulty name's not changing, no adding "oni" anywhere, no theming Kantan --> Oni around spider donuts either. You either go all the way or you go home I guess.

Ending stream with the finisher at the end:
One, symmetry, a valid reason I suppose;
Two, satisfying finisher at the end, keyword being satisfying
Three, the melody long note ends at 01:40:121, so not continuing the stream would reflect that
I suggested changing the D at the end to K so Raiden could keep his 1/4 hand movement, but he didn't reply about it lol

kkdkddkdkkk: I too suggested breaking it up into smaller plets but I went with kkdkd kdkkk and he said no, I guess we should wait for his feedback on kkd ddkdkkk.

Anyways chill, Ozzy isn't even online and he's the mapper, just wait until he wakes up lmao
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It seemed to me that you were pretty insisting to the point where it seemed forceful, as this doesn't seem to be the case, sorry and thanks for clearing that up.
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So I screwed it up with my english again? Arg, my bad as well.
And thanks for your feedback bananannian.
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Now is when you ask the community about this ;)

As for a compromise, I can see the note deletion suggested by Ono working. Though I'd add a suggestion to delete 01:37:577 (415) - too, since the melody is still the same as previous pattern .
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I let him bubble because as mentioned, I believed I had responded to everything. Maybe it was hard to notice since I never directly quoted? The last note is big because I've always thought that the sound a 'D' makes ends songs perfectly, and my answer to Dake is right after his post... also, stop reading my small text as if what it says is serious

Anyways, to avoid causing any more pointless drama I deleted 01:37:577 (415) - (it's actually a nice suggestion!!! clap clap!!!)

And like I've said, I will not make the highest diff have Oni in the name.
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Mapping is serious business.
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DakeDekaane wrote:

Mapping is serious business.
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Kantan verSON is Gyuud2watch., my ears
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Mantap gan
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Grats with qualify Ozzy 0w0
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offset is totally wrong...
try +10
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HAHA some1 noticed, get rekt ozzy 8-)
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Nofool wrote:

HAHA some1 noticed, get rekt ozzy 8-)
what
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could've posted here, people might have (de)confirmed it
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