Nothing wrong with a little reading challenge every now and then
o dam.Charles445 wrote:
ez
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4078048
spaced stream is pretty out of place though
Or you could just ask really crazy people like me to mod and everything will go fine!Naitoshi wrote:
xD yeep Ohhh boy.... This'll be a difficult journey
UndeadCapulet wrote:
Or you could just ask really crazy people like me to mod and everything will go fine!Naitoshi wrote:
xD yeep Ohhh boy.... This'll be a difficult journeyI think that's everything from me, hope I was helpful. Change the bg please :vComplex
I replaced your bg with some random image while modding. If you see the Windows logo in the screenshots, that's why. I will change, lol (back to bou nin again...)
00:29:676 (1) - Remove this NC. The SV change is already easily readable because of the rhythm structure/note layout. At best, all this does is clutter things up; at worst, it will confuse people into thinking the rhythm will change here. Same for 00:40:970 (4) - or any other place where NC'ing for an SV change will clash with NC'ing for the complex rhythm. I feel like the rhythm is so implanted at this point that the player can already tell what they are going to be. The NC's are for that added effect, the slider v change, and the background electronic volume increment
01:18:559 (6,1) - Bring these closer together. The rhythm structure here is different from what we're used to because of 01:17:235 (5,1) - , we need to make the 1/4 gap here more obvious. Everything else is fine after this, because the rhythm stays consistent so everything can be expected, but this first one needs to be as readable as possible. Same for 03:11:764 (6,1) - . Okie for the first one I believe the second one is alright
01:25:176 (3,4) - Right now 3 feels really far away from 4 because you have to speed up to hit 4 after finishing 3's sliderbody. Since they're all on the same line of travel, this feels weird to play. If you ctrl+g 3, the motion will be the same as 01:26:235 (7,8) - , which plays a lot nicer because of the direction change. Or you could just do something like this if you aren't attached to the current slider structure. I believe that the first one feels good because there ISN'T a direction change
01:39:823 (2,1) - This angle seems really arbitrary/random. This is the first time these kiai synths have shown up in the song, and especially after you used the same slider twice (01:38:764 (1,2) - ), the 1/4 distance can be unexpected. There are basically two arrangements that keep the distance you want that still make the 1/4 snap easy to read. You could form a right angle like so. People like snapping at right angles, so they're more inclined to hold on the sliderbody as long as they can. The other option is to place the second slider close to the first slider's head, like so. 2's sliderhead is a natural returning point for the hand, and with the two approach circles so close together, it's very easy to read. You actually do this kind of thing the second time these synths appear, but it's more important to do it here. (These arrangements will still work even if you change the slider designs, btw) This one's a bit tricky. I could rearrange this pattern, but I'll have no idea what that would do to the "hidden" flow. Now, I did rotate the second slider and bring it closer to the next one, hopefully it'll be enough. As it is a good point, I'll have this in my blue suggestions >~> But for now, this isn't something that I would drastically change at the moment.
01:50:059 (1,1) - This is pretty cool, but you really need the circle to line up with the curve of the sliderbody. Right now it feels more like a sharp turn off of the slidertail instead of a complete direction change. And this also causes the 1/4 distance to be harder to read than it should be. If the layout was more like this, it would be a lot better. Also applies to 02:12:647 (1,1) - . You see, originally I had it like this, but then I mapped onward. I wanted the flow from the circle to the next slider to be way more ambiguous than it was so I copied an LC pattern >~> The horizontal jump feels soooo much better than it would have felt if I kept it that way, especially since that next slider has a clockwise direction
01:59:588 (2,3,1) - lol could you fix the stacking please OMG ROUNDING ERRORS. SLIDER ENDS WILL NOT STACK EF THIS
03:20:059 (3) - NC here, it's very hard to tell the 1/6 from the 1/4, NC'ing will help at least a little. Also NC at 01:27:117 (3) - for consistency. ye, gotcha
03:28:441 (4,1) - I know Charles said the spaced stream was out of place, but a streamjump is much more out of place. It's 3 and a half minutes in to the map, and we've never done a streamjump before, throwing one in now feels random. (Oh and make the NC jobs at 01:35:588 (5,6,7,1) - and 03:28:529 (1,2,3,4,5) - consistent in one way or another) Yeah, I got this too. I don't think the NCs have to be consistent at these points. I mapped them differently and the second section of kiais are different too
03:31:353 (1,1,1) - It is reallly hard to tell this is 1/3. Though tbh I've done a lot of fiddling around and I really don't know what would make this any easier. The closest I've come up with is something like this, where you form a line with the sliderheads to smoothly curve into the next sliderbody, but I still don't think it works out that well. Removing the NC's on the 1/6 sliders kinda helps, but not really. Try to fiddle around with it some more if you can, but I'm at a bit of a loss here. (Honestly I tried just making them into just a 1/3 repeat slider and I think it works fine, the emphasis isn't really lost in this instance, it ends up similar to 04:38:764 (1) - . Consider it as an option, at least) Don't worry, I was on the fence about this too xd, but this will definitely be change to something better. I really like your suggestion. I just will blue suggestion suggestions to this so that I can find the optimal answer from them or from myself. I will consider 1/3 repeat too.
03:42:294 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - These NC's need to be structured like so. This makes it more obvious these are 1/6 sliders and not 1/4, because the NC's are on white ticks like normal. But also, there's a clear increase in volume at 03:42:647 (2) - that doesn't happen at the places you've NC'd. It makes more sense to NC here. Same for 04:04:882 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - . yeahmmmmm
04:05:941 (2) - Shouldn't there be a 1/4 snap here as well, the way it is at 03:43:000 (1,1) - ? no, 3 clicks in a row is gross... also they're different. Extending sliders just adds that extra soft sound (which sounds so cool before a finish-clap). I will allow myself to only do it once in a subsection
04:53:235 (6) - Well, stacking here covers up the repeat, so this can be pretty annoying on first play. Just let the arrow peak out slightly and it should be fine. Same applies to the other 1/16 sliders. I'm actually going to rework this section soon. Not too much, just forgot signature pattern ._. The stacks will be removed and this whole section will play a lot smoother (promise)
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This map is really wonderful, good luck with ranking!
appleeaterx wrote:
Hi!
You sent me quite a few requests already yeah ily >.>, seems like you're having trouble finding mods (?) heh juuuust for this
Anyways, from PM request.:idea: General
* Unused hitsounds:
soft-hitclap2.wav
, soft-slidertick2.wav
, soft-slidertick3.wav ty ty
* You can't silence both slider slide & slider tick sounds. This counts for S:C1, C2 & C3 oops, will fixInsane
* HP3 is way too low & really lame... I understand why you may put it that low, since it's a rather gimmicky map, but this is just too easy. I highly recommend using at least HP5. forgot to change
* 02:45:823 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - Strange that this has a larger spacing and is consistent all the way through compared to 00:52:882 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - . In terms of volume/intensity, they seem really similar. Try to make (a bit more) this consistent with each other? I think they have the same kind of difficulty. One's curved and easy, the other is crooked, but it's lower spacing makes up for the difficulty it could've had
* 03:53:588 (4) - Add NC? For slowdowns with this instruments you usually have one. Would also help with readability, as the player cannot rely on slider ticks here due to the short length. okie
* 04:53:235 (8) - 04:56:059 (8) - 04:58:882 (10) - While I like the idea of this, if it's going for rank I would not let this pass. Due to the low SV and surrounding objects & hitbursts, the reverse arrow isn't visible at all. Yeah I know, Undeadcapulet caught this. I'll probably scale the flower objects to make the reverse arrow visible. mb
* 04:53:588 (1,2,3,4,5) - Nice pattern, but the fact that the spacing changed from 4.0x-ish to 10.0x-ish without any change in the song itself was really awkward. I see that the ending also has some large spacing, would appreciate it if the distance would just increase gradually rather than massive & random increases in spacing. good point, I'll just change the order so the spacing isn't as jarring
Okay map. I like the concept of the overall concept, just wish you were more consistent with stuff. I guess that's not what you were really aiming for.
Didn't go into full details, you mainly follow the same instrument with slider spam so doubt that will help lol.
Hope it helped, good luck \o/
op mixed feelings xdYohanes wrote:
Weird Stuff plz die in fire <3
TequilaWolf wrote:
modComplex-#
The effort you put into making this is very admirable.
00:08:411 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - unbelievably hard to read, could only get 3x100 at best. I really suggest altering spacing to reflect the time between taps, even though you've already done that with NC. Like this 00:08:411 (1,2) - has a separate spacing with 00:09:117 (1,2,3,4,5) - and these 00:11:059 (3,1) - (maybe you can say..stack these) 00:13:882 (3,1,2,1) - hooboy nah mayne >.> spacing is so overrated
00:51:294 - add note maybe while there is a mappable sound there, I'd rather give the player more power. The sound isn't all that audible either and not what I'm following
02:06:823 - maybe add note, 1/3 slider seems nice (I guess you're probably leaving these gaps on purpose..I don't understand anything anymore) ^See the first line in creator's words. ok there's no beat to map here lel
03:31:353 (1,1,1,1) - a little hard to transition to these so suddenly, hard to read Yeah I understand >_> I think I'm going to just overlap them so it'll be easier to hit all three
04:52:882 (4,5,6,7,8) - incredibly hard to read for me starting from this part right till the end, no suggestions though Still continuing to improve the ending. It's a lot better than what it was
P.S. I'm afraid to say this map is waaay too /complex/ and out of my league, I looked at it for a long time but I don't see anything/don't have the ability to suggest anything that isn't actually just preference but an actual issue. well still a lot more to learn! btw http://i.imgur.com/jcu3NAC.jpg http://puu.sh/mnAmD/9d7644fe4c.osr screenshot and replay in case you want it omg thank you, I really appreciate it. and thank you for your time, and I'm sorry if this map is a bit too "out there" >.>
I'm sorry, this isn't something I'll consider throughout the life of this map. I want to player to get a good feel for the rhythm that's being spammed throughout the map. If that means that they get a few 100s or a miss, so be it. The player will get it after a while. For this, it's less about the map and more about the song. As for the beginning, it should be played to more of what you hear, and to less of what you see.dqs01733 wrote:
Hello! I just wanted to make a little suggestion on the beginning of the map.
00:08:412 - It's been pointed out before and ill mention it again, it's really difficult to read. While it may be cool with a little reading challenge, this just feels like it is all about timing the approach-circle to the object kind of game, which i personally don't find very fun
I really think you could mix in some sliders, there's a lot of same pitch synth beats that could use a repeating slider, and that would give the section a good level of intensity in relation to this part 00:19:706 - which should feel a bit more intense.
Just a little example of a rhythm that could be used for the first few objects, there are so many different rhythms with sliders that you can use just because there are a lot of repeating notes, it would really make it easier to acc and give the section a bit more variation !!
The map is still pretty early in the ranking process The ranking process is f**ked so you probably don't need to consider this now, but the suggestion will always be here!
It is very cool map, and I love the song!! good luck
Hathz wrote:
Definitely one of the more odd maps I've played.
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4338481 (broke right near the end ;w;) Great play! And thank you for playing >.>
It can be quite a reading challenge, though you can get away with approximately alting through all the slider spam. (on that note this is really fun to alt and I'm a baptized singletap player). I don't think I can provide you with any suggestions for (possible) reading improvements because I find it easy to play, but less experienced players might have some issue with all the SV changes.
These are mostly suggestions.[Complex]
- 00:45:117 (1) - Maybe CTRL+G this or reduce the jump because while there is a change in the vocals I don't think it's enough to make for a relatively large jump like that It's not that large... It only seems large because ds is broken at low sv
- 00:53:588 (1,1) - I kind of have a complaint about these across the entire map; I think it's more intuitive if they ended 1/4 sooner. Staying on a slider as long as possible is kind of part of the gameplay framework of the map. But it's not just preference, I also did it because of the legato electro sounds. Changing these won't really do much but make the map easier and less interesting. The map isn't supposed to be easy. (Also quick-snapping to a low sv slider is so sexy <3)
- 01:04:706 - Missed a sound sample here, map pls :3 Missed on purpose for a more fluid transition. I feel people know that I change what I'm following on the circle before it. The precedence structure of what is mapped always has backbeats (the loud ones) on a higher priority than wubs
- 01:16:000 - ^ Same here, there's a wub you can map
- 02:57:647 - ^ more wubwub
- 03:31:353 (1,1,1) - While fitting to the music I have to point this out as a cheeky pattern. First of all it's not immediately obvious that these are 1/3 but the NCs hint the timing is probably not 1/4 either (assuming this is your first time playing the map). To avoid losing combo you can attempt to play this as a triple and maybe mash through it a bit etc. anyway my point is it's perhaps overmapped a bit and an easy place to break combo. You could instead use a 1/3 slider and a circle, making it fit to the music just as well and also making it easier to play. (screenshot) It's not overmapped BECAUSE it's fitting to the music. I've done this plenty of times before and they all play well to me. I've already nerfed this too lol. I'd rather keep my various oddities throughout the map.
- 03:42:294 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Similar point for this, very easy to break and kinda mash-material, and the jump to the slider that follows makes it even harder.
- 04:04:882 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^ plus hard to read that as sliders and not circles because of the overlap with the long slider
- 04:27:470 (1,1,1) - Are these NCs required? Timing doesn't seem like anything special. Every transition is special <3 But this one's especially special because it's the only one with three of the same sliders and it's one of the rare ones with sequential 1/4 sliders
- 04:53:235 (8) - While I personally didn't have trouble with these it seems very easy to break if you fail to notice the reverse arrow or release a bit too early. Maybe just halve the length of these sliders (so 1 reverse only). I think this is ok too, just because I feel it's really easy, and the reverse arrow is actually visible this time. I won't change the reverse for now, but I definitely will consider decreasing the number of repeats
Hope I haven't forgotten something
EvilElvis wrote:
2 fast ar nuq damn 8,5 looks just NICE I think lower ar might make it less readable xP and people are already mad at me for how unreadable they think it is already lmao ...but dayum that's cool
04:56:059 (8) - these thingies were unrankable btw n o t q u i t e s u r e I thought what made them rankable was the fact that the reverses were visible? ----------------------> n o t q u i t e s u r e
no kd
Anxient 4 hours ago wrote:
Seeing that shiirn pulled a grenade at this maps me wanna check it. Placeholder so that I remember.
ay dont put words in my mouth. im only suggesting parts that couldve been mapped better.Naitoshi wrote:
ty for mod Anxient, will consider ctrl A + del
im sorry for voluntarily trying to help (which is something nearly no one does anymore, by the wayNaitoshi wrote:
I didn't ask for Shiirn's opinion in the first place. (Or yours for that matter)
Naitoshi wrote:
(Though, you don't realize how untrue your tldr is when that person causes a mess like this.) You're just adding to the mess for w/e reason
Natsu wrote:
Hi from my queue
Complex:hope this help you a bit, can't mod it in deep, because I don't know what will be your reply to this ^
- 00:08:411 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - under my personal opinion, I don't agree with this pattern, its true that you are adding NCs to make it more readable, but still is not really comfortable to play (for me), so I really suggest you to keep the spacing consistent for different gaps in the time line, this part will become more enjoyable to play. (yes I can SS current part, but doen't feel comfortable to play for me) There's so many conflicting statements about this though. Even if I changed the entire beginning to be ds-consistent, it would be just as readable, more robotic, and people would still complain about how "blue ticks are hell" and that the map is "unreadable" because "circles." Though, I feel people have pulled crap like this off and on a much larger difficulty scale lmao. As is, I enjoy how this plays and looks and the NCs definitely make it readable enough. As this pattern is the premise of most of the map, I feel if people don't find it interesting or completely hate it, then they'll just hate the entire map for the same reason that they hate this pattern anyway.
- 00:19:706 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - the way your comboing its placed there doesn't make sense with the song rhythm, also doesn't follow a pattern in the mapset, tbh I can't understand how your combos work, because they don't follow music melody or a certain pattern, but seems randomly placed to me, do you mind explaining them? Well you're wrong about the first parts. I NC every time there is a change in density there. So if you are about to switch from 1/1 to blue tick rhythms, there will be an NC. for example I'd say you are missing a NC in 01:25:970 (6) - according to your other ones 01:23:147 (1) - 01:20:323 (1) - etc 02:35:941 (1,3) - etc, anyways I see many cases where combos don't follow a pattern or the music. I guess I forgot that one NC. There is a definite pattern to the NCs though. Please give it a look. (Usually every second blue tick<-- Like half of a phrase) So I don't have to see numbers going to 12.
- 00:31:000 (1) - if I were you, I'd make two 3/4 sliders, so we can fit both strong sounds at 00:31:000 - and 00:31:353 - and fit the nice hold song in the music: I always thought about it while I was mapping it. But, I felt that not enough tension was released when I mapped it that way. (And the slider there has a sexy cursor-dance flow<3)
- 00:31:706 (1,2,3) - basically same spacing at different gapsm they are usually not intuitive to play, due t o obvious reasons, but seems you did build the map in that way, I'd not say ¨its bad¨, but personally I feel the spacing is not nicely done and as a player i feel myself not comfortable when playing certain similar patterns (I'm able to play the map properly). 00:43:794 (4,5,1) - 1 is even short spacing, despite having a bigger gap in the timeline I did decrease spacing between 1 and 2 a bit, but I'm certain if I mapped the spacing there while restraining the objects to ds that it'd feel a ton worse than it does now.
- 00:40:529 - clap sounds super bad and disturbing the song melody, maybe its an error? .... What?
- 00:52:882 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - this its pretty cool, even tho the last part being 3 objects its a bit inconsistent, maybe I'd add nc on 3, mainly because follow your pattern and the sound at 3 is fairly stronger than in 2, for example you did that on 02:45:823 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - oh oops
- 00:53:588 (1,1,1) - another pattern that is really uncomfortable for me are those slow slider and the big 1/4 jump, they break combos or make you hit 100 I absolutely love the fast-snap gameplay for these. Not something that can be played lethargically I guess...
- 02:23:235 (4) - shouldn't be at NC here cause of the sv change? tbh make sense with other parts were u did spam combos, because of sv changes. The reason that there is no change here is because the electronic noise remains constant throughout the phrase. I'd usually only change if there was a change in wub
- 03:28:882 (5) - add NC like you did at before parts? ok
- 03:45:117 (3) - mising nc like you did in the before part 01:52:176 (1) - ok
- 04:53:235 (8) - 04:56:059 (8) - 04:58:882 (10) - in first place this doesn't look as a slider, but as hitcircle, second you need to click this slider early in order to not break combo there, are you sure you want to piss off players after almost 5 mins of gameplay? usually in cases like this we do a simple rhythm who the fudge is "we"?, 1/8 This snap is so clunky to play and work with too... and 1/8 doesn't make any rhythmical sense in context and the feedback is pretty trash :/ would work as well and playability will win , you can add more sv as well, even tho I'd just change the snap
If I'm going simpler, I'm going all the way. So it's been replaced by something simple. (single 1/4 slider)