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Icon For Hire - Cynics & Critics

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Exote
416 posts
Joined April 2013
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To Frey:
Well, imo it's fine since the normal is a bit harder than usual (so is the easy to fit the set) , I don't think that this is something major, since it's playable (had a newb friend to test it, said it's all good)
LGV894
355 posts
Joined May 2013
LGV894

Frey wrote:

Icon For Hype

  • General

    LGV's Normal
  1. yeah, this one seems great, but one point I think it would hurt the ranking process: The usage of various SV. The way you used it can perform well in an Advance or a Hard diff, but in a regular Normal it's just overdone. I suggest you just use two kind of SV (0,75 and 1.0 or 1.0 and 1.1) I just tried to go with the diff. spread pattern: 1.67 -0.86- 2.53 -0.87- 3.4 -0.84- 4.24
  2. 01:06:310 (6,7,1) - use 1.2x ds for consistency FIXED
  3. 01:55:370 (6,7,1) - the same as above

good luck guys
Okoayu
Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator
4,952 posts
Joined May 2012
Okoayu
19:24 Okoratu: i need sth to eat
15:25 Priti: NERD
15:25 Priti: yolobub my map pls
15:26 Okoratu: no
15:26 Priti: yes
15:26 Priti: it's gud map
15:27 Okoratu: im against yoloing tho
15:27 Priti: ok so
15:27 Priti: check it
15:27 Priti: it's just that it doesn't have mods
15:27 Priti: only 1
15:27 Okoratu: dude nice
15:28 Priti: nice dude
15:28 Okoratu: well it's not like you don't know what you're doing
15:30 Priti: 1 sec I need to update
15:30 Priti: removed some unused files
15:30 *Priti is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/771859 Icon For Hire - Cynics & Critics [Vicious]]
15:30 Okoratu: i won't check it right now im busy doing a presentation for college atm
15:30 Priti: ok
15:31 Priti: ty anyways
16:54 Okoratu: so why is hardest diff hp5
16:55 Priti: due to questionable NC usage
16:55 Priti: it gets compensated
16:56 Okoratu: o lol i played without colors and wondered why it's so damn easy to do
16:56 Okoratu: like the maps isn't really difficult anyways
16:57 Priti: ok hp6 it is
16:57 Priti: I'll change later
17:02 Priti: anything else?
17:02 Okoratu: i only played 2 diffs
17:02 Okoratu: lol
17:03 Okoratu: the 1/6 sliders or whatever these are in the kiai of extreme are so als;dkjfalksf
17:06 Okoratu: pishi's diff snaps the shit you snapped to 1/3 to 1/4 sometimes
17:08 Priti: such as?
17:08 Priti: also if it's sliderends n such
17:08 Priti: it's not that critical
17:08 Priti: it's a matter of interpertation
17:08 Okoratu: it's sliderends only i think
17:09 Priti: exactly
17:09 Priti: :3
17:09 Priti: removed the short sliders on extreme
17:11 Okoratu: so there's one 1/3 stack in vicious and u set sl so low that it doesn't stack automatically, knowing the shit that hanzer got for doing same to 1/4 notes uhhh
17:11 Okoratu: is that even intended to not stack
17:11 Okoratu: talking about 01:18:962 (2,3) -
17:11 Priti: where dat b
17:12 Okoratu: i don't even see why you need sl so low
17:12 Okoratu: to begin with
17:12 Priti: fixed
17:12 Priti: because it looks cleaner
17:12 Priti: ;3
17:12 Okoratu: like everything that it would affect is stacked customly anyways lol
17:12 Priti: and edgier
17:12 Okoratu: like literally every stack that could be autostacked is done manually isn't it lol
17:13 Priti: that's not how SL works
17:13 Priti: trust me
17:13 Priti: I'm SL queen
17:13 Priti: anywhos fixed
17:16 Okoratu: 02:21:061 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this played like ass for me cuz i ended up spamming the first one like it was 1/4 and then went to all the others and did the same but that's not how it's intended to work lol
17:18 Okoratu: 02:15:094 (3,4,5) - this looks kinda shitty if you don't see 02:14:763 (2) - anymore imo
17:18 Priti: wat diff
17:18 Okoratu: vicious
17:18 Okoratu: or whatever diffname is
17:19 Priti: 1. u suq @reading hue
17:19 Okoratu: lols
17:19 Okoratu: or ur an ass for putting a pattern like that there and justifying it with "my target audience can read it"?
17:19 Okoratu: xd
17:20 Priti: fixin it now
17:26 Priti: 02:15:094 (3,4,5) - it's fine imo
17:26 Priti: but fixed 1/3
17:27 Okoratu: all that triggered me was the way most other patterns are symmetrical or some shit and there distance was just lols but ok
17:28 Okoratu: Insane: 01:26:696 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - considering how hard this diff is intending to be this looks a bit out of place imo
17:29 Priti: like
17:29 Priti: too hard?
17:30 Okoratu: they don't bring up SR but compared to most other patterns this one is harder to comprehend lol
17:31 Priti: fixed
17:33 Okoratu: the rest is out of your control right
17:33 Okoratu: so i'll have to post
17:34 Priti: nah
17:34 Priti: Hard is
17:35 Priti: Easy and Normal are by newer mappers who told me it'd be ok by them if I change something
17:35 Priti: pishi is a dickhead
17:35 Priti: other than Extra I can change anything
17:36 Okoratu: idk anything i could say about pishi anyways
17:36 Priti: bcuz he a nerd
17:36 Okoratu: isnt that anyone on oss
17:36 Okoratu: xd
17:36 Priti: no
17:38 Okoratu: lols that hent2222 guy hating on normal AR
17:42 Okoratu: i think in relation to easy and hard that that normal is far too dense in some places
17:43 Priti: u r actually kinda right now that I think of it
17:43 Okoratu: density wise it has parts where it's very very similar to hard
17:43 Okoratu: i'd increase stats like AR on this, call it advanced and make a normal that fits between easy and this
17:43 Okoratu: tbh
17:44 Priti: nah
17:44 Okoratu: that's what i'd do
17:44 Okoratu: do u have a better idea
17:45 Priti: yea
17:45 Priti: nerf the Normal
17:45 Okoratu: the options i can think of are nerf normal, buff easy or new diff
17:46 Okoratu: whenever im in a situation like this i usually go with new diff because that's easier to make than nerfing something existing but that may just be me lol
17:49 Okoratu: and uhh could u avaoid 02:42:276 (1,2) - sth like this lol
17:54 Okoratu: i don't really have much to add about easy
17:54 Priti: fixed it
17:54 Priti: fixed Normal
17:54 Priti: imo it's good now
17:54 Priti: updating
17:55 Priti: updated
17:57 Priti: 1 sec found another problematic thang on normal
17:58 Priti: aight updating again
17:59 Priti: done
18:01 Okoratu: 00:35:647 (2,3,4,5) - :/
18:01 Priti: LAST TIME IM UPDATING
18:01 Priti: VKJDKJDSNFJKDS
18:02 Okoratu: were those patterns designed for higher ar or something
18:02 Priti: sorta
18:02 Priti: but I fixed em
18:02 Priti: most of them
18:03 Okoratu: 00:50:895 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 01:01:503 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - and similar things are still a bit too dense imo
18:04 Okoratu: other than that certain stuff just looks like it was designed with a bit higher AR and now looks a bit meh cuz lowered
18:06 Okoratu: and ikd how ok it is to just map 02:17:580 (2) -
18:06 Okoratu: these things
18:06 Okoratu: on those ticks
18:06 Okoratu: with circles
18:07 Priti: idk
18:07 Priti: but it works
18:08 Okoratu: it kinda does but everything else doing 2/3 stuff on these makes me doubtful about whether this is ok or not
18:09 Priti: does it sound okay with the music?
18:09 Priti: does it work for the diff?
18:09 Priti: does it make sense?
18:09 Okoratu: it works but i am not sure if it makes sense
18:09 Priti: if the answer is yes for all of these, den fuck it
18:09 Priti: OK UPDATING
18:09 Priti: AGAIN
18:09 Priti: HOPEFULLY LAST TIME
18:09 Okoratu: thats my main problem right now
18:09 Okoratu: xD
18:10 Priti: makes sense isn't only according to music
18:10 Priti: but also according to map structure
18:10 Okoratu: but you can be shot down for not making sense according to music
18:12 Priti: qats ain't got shit on priti
18:12 Priti: updated
18:13 Priti: anywooz I'm out
18:13 Priti: ttyl
18:13 Okoratu: k
19:02 Priti: uguuratu
19:02 Priti: i feel bad now
19:04 Okoratu: oh my god of all the shit i got with this username this is a first
19:22 Priti: where me bubble
19:22 Priti: :-------------------------------------)
19:23 Okoratu: i didn't even write down the stuff i wanted to say about the diffs you don't have control over
19:23 Okoratu: yet
19:23 Priti: so do it
19:23 Priti: ;3
19:23 Okoratu: cuz i decided to requal Aragami
19:23 Priti: just like john cena says
19:23 Priti: JUST DO IT
19:24 Okoratu: i need sth to eat so i will take care of that first

[easy]
02:03:160 (3,4,1) - stuff like this looks a bit dum and is probably confusing, would simplify further for the sake of having something more straightforward
same applies to all instances of overlapping 1/2 sliders

[normal]
00:31:669 (4) - i think everyone is kinda likely to leave this off before it actually reaches its end because the blanket kinda breaks base spacing :/ i'd shorten
so Priti simplified 00:50:895 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 01:01:503 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 01:39:956 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
but left 01:50:564 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 02:48:906 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 02:59:514 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - as is and i was wondering if there's a reason for that or not

[BM's Hard]
00:31:669 (5) - idk if it's only me but this plays better to me if shortened by 1/4 :v
00:51:890 (4,5) - i think stuff like this plays better if one of the circles is stacked on top of the next slider because it kind of gets rid of one jerky movement pause that a stack like that provides
01:26:696 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:55:536 (9,10,11,12,1) - 03:04:486 (9,10,11,12,1) - i think streams like this are out of place in this difficulty, most of the stuff is very very very basic and you don't really use triplets much either but have 5 circle streams and do 01:06:475 (9,1) - for the first one...?
ikd i think this is an issue you should address in one way or the other
01:27:194 (6,7,8,1) - also this is kind of difficult to understand compared to everything else (mainly 01:27:857 (8,1) - )
02:06:641 (2,3) - i think this arrangement is even jerkier than just doing circles
02:11:779 - im not sure if you should follow the partly 2/3 snapping the other diffs do for this part im unsure of the 1/2 stuff used here mainly because 02:20:398 (4,5) - does it and the rest not?? idk you could be more consequent with tthe rhythm choices for 02:11:779 (1,2) -

[pishi]
00:29:680 (1,2) - differs with snapping of other diffs is that intention or no
02:12:663 (4,5) - 02:15:094 (3,4,5) - this is super close and super easy to misread as 1/2 and whoops u early

pfff

[Extreme]
01:37:801 (2,3) - pff this 1/4 jump feels bigger than most of the 1/4 jumps in the 6 star
02:13:768 (3,4,5,6) - dude i literally fc'd until this point and then 1/3 stack ruined my life why do you do this this is so hard to read
like really
02:31:669 (1) - doesn't play bad or anything but you got rid of all the others like this so did u forget this one or

[~Vicious~]
02:21:061 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - you said u fixed it but now it's less spaced than the stream in Extreme and i question ur sanity
01:16:089 (1) - am only i thinking this looks kinda like ass
00:37:304 (2,3) - the only non customstacked thing in this diff i think

[]

I think that should cover everything
give me metadata source
pishifat
osu! Paragon
3,811 posts
Joined August 2013
pishifat
damn i need to make my diff look not-5-months-old
Exote
416 posts
Joined April 2013
Exote
ok put simple circles, tho imo it's not confusing (like I said, had a friend who tested it) unless your first map is this exact easy, but hey, fixed it for the sake of the visuals
critic inc
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Okoayu
Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator
4,952 posts
Joined May 2012
Okoayu
i was going to write that in the mod but yea you could do that
Avena
2,158 posts
Joined December 2012
Topic Starter
Avena
Fixed everything on all diffs but pishi's.
Metadata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAo389WHcJo Official Record Label YT channel
http://www.toothandnail.com/releases/922/Icon_For_Hire/ Official Record Label site
LGV894
355 posts
Joined May 2013
LGV894
[Vicious (1)]

FIXES EVERYWHEEERE

Flow fixes in lots of parts.

And the 1/3 part... Even the Extreme diff's feels uncomfortable to play.

btw I didn't fix the S sliders, priti plez fex and make them Pritty

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pishifat
osu! Paragon
3,811 posts
Joined August 2013
pishifat
priti can you add "and" to the tags:(


fixed oko and remapped these sections because they sucked
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00:45:591 (1) - to 01:06:807 (1) -
01:34:652 (1) - to 01:55:868 (1) -
02:22:387 (1) - to 02:32:995 (1) -
02:43:602 (1) - to 03:04:818 (1) - 

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205,334,164265,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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270,156,167746,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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215,229,169735,1,0,0:0:0:0:
143,319,169901,1,0,0:0:0:0:
324,242,170067,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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224,42,170564,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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0,109,171144,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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54,371,171558,5,2,0:0:0:0:
92,263,171724,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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306,336,172221,1,0,1:0:0:0:
243,244,172387,1,0,0:0:0:0:
356,231,172553,1,0,0:0:0:0:
281,102,172718,1,2,0:0:0:0:
134,260,172884,5,0,1:0:0:0:
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196,35,173216,1,0,1:0:0:0:
243,244,173381,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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259,242,174127,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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114,149,174873,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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127,157,175370,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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267,10,177359,1,0,0:0:0:0:
73,69,177525,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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180,70,178022,1,0,1:0:0:0:
281,212,178188,5,2,0:0:0:0:
267,10,178354,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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368,115,178851,2,0,B|384:164|384:164|384:250,1,120,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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98,262,179514,5,6,0:2:0:0:
184,342,179680,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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209,95,180177,1,0,1:0:0:0:
308,166,180343,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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Okoayu
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Exote
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hype
Avena
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Avena
who the f
Okoayu
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Okoayu
??
I am rather confused about what just happened
shionelove
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shionelove
what happened
Yuii-
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Yuii-

shionelove wrote:

what happened
Oh josh, the Kappa avatar says it all.
Raiden
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wtf xddddd are you serious
Loctav
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Loctav
Missing heart. Try again.
Avena
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what the fuck sieg
Okoayu
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rebub
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d00d w0t
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00:15:757 (1) - (On Vicious) Please, add "Soft" to Additions. The normal-hitwhistle is awful.
01:05:315 (2,1) - (On Vicious) Why the spacing here is suddenly that low?
02:15:757 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - (On Vicious) Hmmm, mmmmmaaan, I don't know about this section. Those 1/2 slider jumps are just ridiculous and they lack of a sense of flow. Honestly speaking, this is a total personal preference, but this is really bad, dude. If you compare it to 02:21:061 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - there's nothing in common because there IS a path built up accordingly to follow each note.
00:46:254 (3,4) - (On Extreme) I don't see this reason for this anti-jump. There's nothing in the music to emphasise like that, even the jump from (2,3) is smaller, even though (3) is a prominent beat.
01:46:420 (5,1) - (On Extreme) Oooh, bae. The low spacing attacks again.
02:07:801 (9) - (On Extreme) I'm pretty sure you NC'd this one on Vicious.
01:27:525 (4) - (On pishi's Extra) Should this be the NC?
02:58:022 (5,1) - (On Insane) Consider Ctrl+G that. Too lazy to explain why, but basically you were doing a great job flowing-wise up to here.
03:10:122 (2) - (On Insane) Really stupid, but NC?
00:53:547 - (On BM's Hard) I do understand the fact that you are leaving a break to the players, because on Hard that's a good idea to do, sometimes. But this is such an important beat and you already have a break on 00:54:044 - . Could you place a circle down? It seems intentional, though 00:56:862 - . But I don't agree with that :( Although, there's inconsistency if you want to keep that, since 01:01:503 (1) - is mapped correctly, whilst, again... 01:04:155 - that is not. Actually, never mind, because in the second Kiai you did the same, so.. yeah.
01:12:774 (3) - (On BM's Hard) NC?
02:21:061 (6) - (On BM's Hard) NC for the sake of the 1/6? Is quite difficult for "advanced" players to know these things.
02:24:376 (5,6) - (On BM's Hard) This is seriously "hard" for this difficulty. You have a previous jump similarly to this one but that one makes sense, since it was to the same direction. I don't think an anti-jump is okay for this situation.
Personal comment on the Hard: Do NOT ignore such prominent beats like that, God dammit!
01:11:613 - 02:33:160 - 02:32:829 - (On Normal) What about these totally and definitely useful green lines!
Personal comment on the Normal: LOWER THE AR YOU M8

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Sieg
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Sieg
huh, sorry for the inconvenience, firetruck my pc ):
Avena
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Lost the response, but pretty much everything was fixed other than the undermapping in Hard, NC in Extra and 1/4 sliders in Vicious.
oh also the "antijumps" in Extreme are fine tbh.
Yuii-
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geis
Raiden
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qual'd without taikos

die in hell!!!!!!!!!!
Surono
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tako was mista.. MissKek
Cherry Blossom
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Cherry Blossom
Some 1/4 sliders are vicious. And you really have to listen carefully to the song if you want to know if they follow something or not, uuuh.
Gratz btw.
Myxo
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Hello!

We (actually, it's only me, baka template) have found some potential issues that we feel are important enough to address before continuing:

Vicious

Unpolished Spacing

  • Mainly LGV's parts feel like they could have had some more mods, the spacing (and often as a result of that) feel pretty unpolished.
  1. 00:25:702 (1,2,3) - The low spacing between (2) (3) seems pretty random here
  2. 00:40:288 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Similar to the above, why is the spacing between (4) (5) so low?
  3. 02:38:299 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - This section is so calm, yet the circle jumps are crazy high. While the last section 02:42:608 (1,2,1,2,1) - is more intense than the rest before, it is still just building up intensity and doesn't call for a huge jump pattern.
    Those are just examples. The disqualification is more about the general diff and that it needs more mods, not like "fix those particular issues and you are good to go".

Vicious vs. Extreme

Generally, I feel that there was a lot of work put into Extreme, while Priti's parts of Vicious have been rushed. That's the impression I get from the patterns and consistency in both diffs.

Anyway, another problem that I can't really put as a disqualification reason, which is why I am putting it in this notice: The actual difficulty of Extreme and Vicious. The reason why Vicious has such a high star rating are the jump patterns at the end of the kiais. Those patterns are much easier to play than the ones in Extreme though. Extreme uses a jump / antijump concept (for example 01:01:669 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - using high spacing to emphasize notes), which doesn't push the star rating that much but is really difficult to play, as the flow is pretty harsh. Vicious might have more jumps here, but it's always some kind of back-and-forth movement going on there, which makes them much less threatening than the patterns in Extreme.
tl;dr I think the hardest patterns from Extreme are way harder than Vicious, the star rating is inaccurate. I also don't think the rest of Vicious is mapped so that the diff is really more difficult than Extreme, except for the spaced streams which are rare. I have got no solution to this problem, to be honest, maybe we can find one together. I'd really like to here more opinions from pro players and mappers on this case.

If you disagree with these suggestions, please reply to this thread justifying why so we can discuss alternatives.

Otherwise, please reply to this thread when these issues are resolved.

Thanks for working with us towards higher quality beatmaps, we hope to see your beatmap ranked soon!

###M
Okoayu
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Since when is SR not matching the actual difficulty of a map a problem?
Myxo
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Yes, star rating doesn't really matter. But let's explain it this way:

Vicious is intended to be harder than Extreme. It has a custom difficulty name, higher spaced streams etc.
Yet the peak of the map is mapped much less flowy in Extreme and therefore feels harder to me. If the mappers agree with this, the patterns in one diff should be changed to fit the other one spread-wise. I hope my view is more clear now.

There is really a need for discussion here, as I can't think of similar cases where this happened in the past.
Exote
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I kinda agree with ^, it really does feel harder in Extreme, but the diff is priti good imo, if one diff's jumps have to be changed, it should be the Vicious' ones (tho I I don't really know how it's supposed to be changed, either some spacing increase or idk lol)
Avena
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After some considerations, I've decided to delete Vicious.
The feedback about it was mainly negative and as far as I see, it overshadows the quality and investment I put in Extreme.
hehe
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hehe
lol
Natteke desu
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Natteke desu
eh stop being that lazy priti please
Yuii-
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Yuii-
Mmm kay, dammit. Lemme recheck it
Okoayu
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extreme
00:59:348 (2,3) - 01:23:879 (6,1) - 01:34:652 (1,2) - 02:44:100 (2,3) - and a few other spots especially in kiais
i don't get why some of them have like
baby spacing relative to most other things and some of them don't like most of the stuff is consistently huge and then there's some things that are just baby in comparison and would be cool if you could explain these and most of the others in kiais
Nwolf
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rip taikos
Raden
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Raden
Personally, I enjoyed the vicious difficulty

Sorry to see it go
Kalibe
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Kalibe
Maybe decrease HP to 2 and AR 3 on Easy ? HP 3 and AR 4 are too high for Easy i think.

Btw. Streaming Heart have been DQ for that HP
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Avena
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This is one map and Streaming Map is another one, you can't really compare in any way.
Also explained the things to Oko ingame, should be ok now I guess?
Okoayu
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Okoayu
yea is ok for me now
Yuii-
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Yuii-
same lol
meii18
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In LGV's Normal AR 6 seems to be a challenge for players whom wants to play the difficulty with HR and DT/NC.Especially for newbies.When you play it with DT/NC,it feels it's an advanced/hard difficulty.I suggest at least AR 4 or 4.5.Also you can decrease the OD.Same,or 4.5 or 4.

In Exote's Easy,00:38:299(2)- can be an 1/1 slider instead being an 3/2 slider to follow the vocals much better in my opinion.

Anyway congratz!
Okoayu
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lowering AR there would literally destroy the nomod experience with this difficulty
Exote
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Exote
About the 3/2 slider, I really thought of making it 1/1 but wanted some variation.
Xantaria
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Xantaria
I wish the first thing you hear when clicking the map would be the clear vocal part :S

Amazing song - Amazing map
Reimu Senpai
Reimu Senpai
Nice map
buny
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buny
why was the preview time not 00:45:591
Exote
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Exote
'cause the current one is more epic :p
ReconCrusader
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ReconCrusader
This map was really fucking good!
Unlike some maps, almost every second was fun and the beats actually fit the song. Felt awesome. Favourited
Cetamol
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Cetamol
please make more of this bands music into beatmaps :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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