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People still buy the (digital) game for the same price as the actual CD, what's in it for the companies to waste $$$ on making discs when they can just get people to purchase a digital copy of it. More $$$ in their pocket. But a plus side to (digital) games is that you can always have that copy (as long as you have the credentials to whatever you downloaded it off of) forever, and it won't get dusty, broken, stolen, snapped or lazer burned.
Seems like a nice trade-off, provided that you don't work in retail.
Modern AAA games tend to require 30GB+ space, and shipping that on DVDs would give people flashbacks to installing Windows 95 using floppy disks.
Of course you could put the game on a single bluray instead, but then there's the problem that bluray drives never really got into the mainstream PC market. Bluray drives themselves came around at a time when optical drives were already being phased out of the PC world and now there are more PCs without an optical drive than there are PCs with one.
Not to mention the issue of the price of a Bluray drive compared to a DVD drive, even now Bluray is still expensive in comparison with the cheapest Bluray drive available being almost 5 times more expensive than the cheapest DVD drive. And it's the same story with the disks, while a pack of 100 empty DVDs can be bought for 25 USD*, a pack of 25 Bluray disks costs upwards of 100 USD*.
Of course since these prices come from consumer stores, they are probably lower for a corporation looking to slap the same data on a few hundred thousand disks. They should still represent the difference, though.
All in all, releasing games on Bluray disks is expensive and, for PC games, caters to an extremely small market. You might say that games could be released on USB drives instead, which I totally agree would be cool, but while those could be used by everyone with a PC, publishers would once again run into the price issue. USB drives are even more expensive compared to DVDs than Blurays are, and including one big enough to fit a modern AAA game with each "physical" copy of the game would be ridiculous from that perspective. And releasing games on DVDs is silly because then you'd have to include like 10 or more disks.
*Danish prices converted to USD, your prices may vary.
DOUBLE EDGY
Nor do we find it necessary to forcibly reset passwords if they're "deemed weak".
Also welcome back, Dulcetti.
What are rules
I don't see how that is a tantrum, but if you want to think of it as such, go ahead.
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is that a dog that looks like cat or
a cat that looks like dog
a cat that looks like dog
it's definitely a cat
possibly a mane coon, respectable pedigree
possibly a mane coon, respectable pedigree
FUCK ISIS
Yo if you guys don't mind checking out my bud's blog @ http://grindlaygrump.blogspot.com/ then that would be superb.
I assure you it's not me, I don't have the time to do this shit on a regular basis lmao
Yo if you guys don't mind checking out my bud's blog @ http://grindlaygrump.blogspot.com/ then that would be superb.
I assure you it's not me, I don't have the time to do this shit on a regular basis lmao
Close, but no. That is a Norwegian forest cat.xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
it's definitely a cat
possibly a mane coon, respectable pedigree
for some reason, this angers me greatly
Well, yeah. Anyone would be angry if they bought that expecting a physical copy of the game, only to find that it's not there.
As much as I despise physical media and refuse to use it, it's incredibly shitty that you can't actually get the game data on a disc anymore.
Kinda defeats the point of physical media.
Kinda defeats the point of physical media.
i really want to get it, but i really don't like EA
Please don't.
Just play Battlefront 2 instead. Now that game is a classic~
Just play Battlefront 2 instead. Now that game is a classic~
Mahogany wrote:
As much as I despise physical media and refuse to use it, it's incredibly shitty that you can't actually get the game data on a disc anymore.
Kinda defeats the point of physical media.
People still buy the (digital) game for the same price as the actual CD, what's in it for the companies to waste $$$ on making discs when they can just get people to purchase a digital copy of it. More $$$ in their pocket. But a plus side to (digital) games is that you can always have that copy (as long as you have the credentials to whatever you downloaded it off of) forever, and it won't get dusty, broken, stolen, snapped or lazer burned.
why bother sell the game in retail stores then? just skip the middle man and continue making people to use origins like they're already trying to do
To be honest I have absolutely no idea since I hear that after all expenses are incurred the publisher only gets like $14 out of the sale of a $60 retail game compared to a split that must be massive for a digital sale.
There's absolutely no point to buy physical for PC anymore unless you like boxes.
There's absolutely no point to buy physical for PC anymore unless you like boxes.
-> more money for the publishers and a couple jobs lost in retail. Also a lot more friendly for the environment, because you skip production of the CD, the box it would come in, and emissions from the transport of the boxes (to get them to the retailers).deadbeat wrote:
why bother sell the game in retail stores then? just skip the middle man and continue making people to use origins like they're already trying to do
Seems like a nice trade-off, provided that you don't work in retail.
only reason i can think of is heavy internet caps. i had to be rather selective of what games i downloaded/updated when i was only getting 50GB a monthMahogany wrote:
There's absolutely no point to buy physical for PC anymore unless you like boxes.
Well yeah, that's a good reason to buy physical, but as we can see, there are a lot of games nowadays where the physical box doesn't contain anything other than a download code and a steam installer...
It depends on the game store and I doubt gamestop and the likes need to be supported and I don't think a store that's small enough to deserve your support would stock PC games tbh ._.
It kind of makes sense, thoughMahogany wrote:
As much as I despise physical media and refuse to use it, it's incredibly shitty that you can't actually get the game data on a disc anymore.
Kinda defeats the point of physical media.
Modern AAA games tend to require 30GB+ space, and shipping that on DVDs would give people flashbacks to installing Windows 95 using floppy disks.
Of course you could put the game on a single bluray instead, but then there's the problem that bluray drives never really got into the mainstream PC market. Bluray drives themselves came around at a time when optical drives were already being phased out of the PC world and now there are more PCs without an optical drive than there are PCs with one.
Not to mention the issue of the price of a Bluray drive compared to a DVD drive, even now Bluray is still expensive in comparison with the cheapest Bluray drive available being almost 5 times more expensive than the cheapest DVD drive. And it's the same story with the disks, while a pack of 100 empty DVDs can be bought for 25 USD*, a pack of 25 Bluray disks costs upwards of 100 USD*.
Of course since these prices come from consumer stores, they are probably lower for a corporation looking to slap the same data on a few hundred thousand disks. They should still represent the difference, though.
All in all, releasing games on Bluray disks is expensive and, for PC games, caters to an extremely small market. You might say that games could be released on USB drives instead, which I totally agree would be cool, but while those could be used by everyone with a PC, publishers would once again run into the price issue. USB drives are even more expensive compared to DVDs than Blurays are, and including one big enough to fit a modern AAA game with each "physical" copy of the game would be ridiculous from that perspective. And releasing games on DVDs is silly because then you'd have to include like 10 or more disks.
*Danish prices converted to USD, your prices may vary.
the last game I bought physically, came with 5 DVDs. No more of that, no thank you.
giving everyone a 30 GB SSD with their game is not even close to cost effective. Everyone would end up with a USB RAID array eventually.
Honestly physical media is just dead when it comes to video games, and I'm fine with it.
But here's an idea, have a station in stores where you plug in your flash drive and the game is put on your device after buying.. It's not without its downsides but it would work better than having to use 50 dvd's, optical storage is fucking dead and we should move on. It's not going to stick around like magnetic storage anyway because unlike magnetic tape or disks it is completely inflexible. You have fixed sizes with fixed data limits. Bad news, we still use fucking magnetic tape nowadays for corporate purposes because you can make that strip of tape as long as you want and it's cost effective.
i understand optical disks have evolved, weve gone from CD's with their paltry 700 mb, dvd's with their 4-8, and now blu-ray, but everytime there's a 'leap', there requires an entirely new type of drive to be engineered and bought, imagine if you needed a different motherboard every time they came out with larger hard disks/SSD's or even flash drives? Utter fucking insanity, this is 1 reason why blu-ray never caught on for pc's because the whole thing is based on bullshit.
Equal in stupidity is consoles costing 400$ that can play games at 1080i which is basically 720p at the same quality settings a PC built for the same price can run at 1080p and would certainly outperform it at console resolution and also has all the functionality you get from having a pc instead which is too massive to try and list.
why would you pay 400$ for a weaker, locked down less-functional PC? All the components are repurposed PC parts now because AAA developers cannot be bothered to develop games for 2 different platforms, best to make consoles and computers basically the same but one ends up way worse as a result.
a pro of that is console porting isn't even a thing anymore console games will always run on pc unless there's bs DRM to crack, Console and PC both have x86 architecture now.
a con is that shitty console 1 can't be upgraded to be more powerful by individual component until shitty console 2 comes out and you have to scrap the entire old box and overpay once again for a computer that can't do computer things and runs games worse than a same price computer.
For god's sake. even Nintendo who were basically the last bastion of original hardware, true exclusives and interesting ideas are going to cave in and utilize a PC architecture AMD cpu into their next box.
It feels like the only reason AMD hasn't gone under when you consider how even the best AMD chip being worse performance-wise than over a hundred current nameable Intel ones, is poor people and lazy console R&D, oh and the fact that Intel hasn't managed to corner the market on budget chips, they only look forward.
The fact that for the price you just can't do better than an AMD chip is really keeping them from sinking. But it's also not giving them enough R&D money of their own to actually ever catch up. The fact is: CPU's are an investment, they last a freaking LONG time, essentially forever in my experiences, before burning out whether it's AMD or Intel. the vast majority of people, even those who would be fine with an AMD, save up a little more to get that delicious Intel performance that will mean more if they still are using it 5 or 10 years from now.
I'm using and AMD Phenom II x4 965, a left-over from the final time that AMD released a chip meant to compete with the very best intel chips in terms of price and performance. A bygone era it has become, but I still hold onto it because it's still pretty damn good and I love the spirit of competition it represents.
anyway enough autism from me, this has gone way off-topic.
Honestly physical media is just dead when it comes to video games, and I'm fine with it.
But here's an idea, have a station in stores where you plug in your flash drive and the game is put on your device after buying.. It's not without its downsides but it would work better than having to use 50 dvd's, optical storage is fucking dead and we should move on. It's not going to stick around like magnetic storage anyway because unlike magnetic tape or disks it is completely inflexible. You have fixed sizes with fixed data limits. Bad news, we still use fucking magnetic tape nowadays for corporate purposes because you can make that strip of tape as long as you want and it's cost effective.
i understand optical disks have evolved, weve gone from CD's with their paltry 700 mb, dvd's with their 4-8, and now blu-ray, but everytime there's a 'leap', there requires an entirely new type of drive to be engineered and bought, imagine if you needed a different motherboard every time they came out with larger hard disks/SSD's or even flash drives? Utter fucking insanity, this is 1 reason why blu-ray never caught on for pc's because the whole thing is based on bullshit.
Equal in stupidity is consoles costing 400$ that can play games at 1080i which is basically 720p at the same quality settings a PC built for the same price can run at 1080p and would certainly outperform it at console resolution and also has all the functionality you get from having a pc instead which is too massive to try and list.
why would you pay 400$ for a weaker, locked down less-functional PC? All the components are repurposed PC parts now because AAA developers cannot be bothered to develop games for 2 different platforms, best to make consoles and computers basically the same but one ends up way worse as a result.
a pro of that is console porting isn't even a thing anymore console games will always run on pc unless there's bs DRM to crack, Console and PC both have x86 architecture now.
a con is that shitty console 1 can't be upgraded to be more powerful by individual component until shitty console 2 comes out and you have to scrap the entire old box and overpay once again for a computer that can't do computer things and runs games worse than a same price computer.
For god's sake. even Nintendo who were basically the last bastion of original hardware, true exclusives and interesting ideas are going to cave in and utilize a PC architecture AMD cpu into their next box.
It feels like the only reason AMD hasn't gone under when you consider how even the best AMD chip being worse performance-wise than over a hundred current nameable Intel ones, is poor people and lazy console R&D, oh and the fact that Intel hasn't managed to corner the market on budget chips, they only look forward.
The fact that for the price you just can't do better than an AMD chip is really keeping them from sinking. But it's also not giving them enough R&D money of their own to actually ever catch up. The fact is: CPU's are an investment, they last a freaking LONG time, essentially forever in my experiences, before burning out whether it's AMD or Intel. the vast majority of people, even those who would be fine with an AMD, save up a little more to get that delicious Intel performance that will mean more if they still are using it 5 or 10 years from now.
I'm using and AMD Phenom II x4 965, a left-over from the final time that AMD released a chip meant to compete with the very best intel chips in terms of price and performance. A bygone era it has become, but I still hold onto it because it's still pretty damn good and I love the spirit of competition it represents.
anyway enough autism from me, this has gone way off-topic.
Mercurial
So it seems that I can't change my avatar because of an "account verification" issue.
And I can't do shit since the mail I used to register in here doesn't exist anymore (Yeah, blame Hotmail/Microsoft for that).
So, yay! I'll be stuck with this avatar until ppy gets to help me (or someone else capable to do so).
And I can't do shit since the mail I used to register in here doesn't exist anymore (Yeah, blame Hotmail/Microsoft for that).
So, yay! I'll be stuck with this avatar until ppy gets to help me (or someone else capable to do so).
You do realise you can just.......... message the support team, right?
I mean it doesn't take a bloody Tesla to figure it out.
I mean it doesn't take a bloody Tesla to figure it out.
I think you don't need to change your avatar. Its perfect
Mercurial
I did it, and I'm waiting for an answer.Aurani wrote:
You do realise you can just.......... message the support team, right?
I mean it doesn't take a bloody Tesla to figure it out.
Sorry, but the shit taste you have is totally unmatchable. Gratz bro!Reditum wrote:
yeah should have thought about that before choosing a shit avatar
Nah Mercurial has a point Reditum's avatar is shit.
medic medic oktoberfessttttt
you slept with his pillow?Reditum wrote:
yeah that's not what your wife said last night you fucking cunt
DOUBLE EDGY
genuinely madReditum wrote:
yeah that's not what your wife said last night you fucking cunt
disgusting salts
It's some FFXIV related shit. Or so I think it is, it has Jagd, Magitek and limit break in it so it's something Final Fantasy.
Also, I see that some of the previous lurkers of OT have come posting on this thread now that all the intimidating usuals have left.
Also, I see that some of the previous lurkers of OT have come posting on this thread now that all the intimidating usuals have left.
What do you mean R.I.P. Aurani? I'm here, you just don't see me. :Vchaee wrote:
Rip aurani
We went to a better place.
What the bloody fuck are you blathering about, Apeman?
Make it sound more like an apology/thank you message and less like a Tumblr post.
Anyways, you can't just write a post like that and not expect someone to ask what the shit happened, so explain thyself, mongrel.
Make it sound more like an apology/thank you message and less like a Tumblr post.
Anyways, you can't just write a post like that and not expect someone to ask what the shit happened, so explain thyself, mongrel.
He wants da mystical entity known as da Vajyna.
Dul had pics up on the IRL thread as far as I remember.
So Apeman wants to pop the cherry, eh? Sorry Ape, Dulcet's sorta out of your league by quite a bit. :p
So Apeman wants to pop the cherry, eh? Sorry Ape, Dulcet's sorta out of your league by quite a bit. :p
Shohei Ohtani
You never know who the real person behind the screen might be, Apeman. Dulcet can be a virgin pigeon and you might not suspect a thing until it's too late.
That's not how you behave towards friends. You shouldn't feel sorry for her - she should feel sorry for you.
That's not how you behave towards friends. You shouldn't feel sorry for her - she should feel sorry for you.
You should just fuck. Then everything will feel better.
To be honest though, Chinese people are so jacked up in terms of mentality. I will always view them as the lowest of the low.
oh god
All of you fuckers :p
Did the Tuuba shithole die or something? Why am I seeing faggots like B1rd and Aurani around
Nope.
IppE
It's not like we force people to sign a contract saying "I will never post on osu forums ever again" or something.Green Platinum wrote:
Did the Tuuba shithole die or something? Why am I seeing faggots like B1rd and Aurani around
Nor do we find it necessary to forcibly reset passwords if they're "deemed weak".
Wasn't the whole point because "OMG peppy is taking our forum layout away"
IppE
As far as I can see, peppy still didn't bring that shit into action, so I see no reason to stop visiting this forum. Don't worry, you mongrels can take over once it turns to shit.Green Platinum wrote:
Wasn't the whole point because "OMG peppy is taking our forum layout away"
Also welcome back, Dulcetti.
Also we can talk to certain cool individuals who aren't here and can't be here and I won't name because that would get me silenced because nazi rules
Dulcet my love.
Roasted a roastie today, kek. I get so much pleasure from this
oh you guys.
jizz.ppy.sh had existed for like a year before the banner was put on the siteAurani wrote:
As far as I can see, peppy still didn't bring that shit into action, so I see no reason to stop visiting this forum. Don't worry, you mongrels can take over once it turns to shit.Green Platinum wrote:
Wasn't the whole point because "OMG peppy is taking our forum layout away"
Also welcome back, Dulcetti.
IppE
Aurani wrote:
As far as I can see, peppy still didn't bring that shit into action
Just like IppE, I still fail to see the point of your previous post. You most likely didn't quite get what I meant.
Mahogany wrote:
Also we can talk to certain cool individuals who aren't here and can't be here and I won't name because that would get me silenced because nazi rules
What are rules
IppE
From what I could gather the whole point of moving was some whiney tantrum/protest about the new design. It's kinda undermined if you come back with your tail between your legs.Aurani wrote:
Just like IppE, I still fail to see the point of your previous post. You most likely didn't quite get what I meant.
That was exactly what I meant - you completely (somehow, don't ask me how) managed to misunderstand my post.
Peppy still didn't make the Jizz shit OFFICIAL, meaning that you can still wank on this site without a problem. I'm never going to return when he OFFICIALLY replaces this layout with the cancerous new one, as I never complained about this one (as far as I remember, but you're free to provide me with evidence of my "tantrum" towards this layout).
I couldn't give less fucks about other people's reasons as to why they're leaving, since I just provided you with mine.
Hope that was simple enough for you to understand.
Peppy still didn't make the Jizz shit OFFICIAL, meaning that you can still wank on this site without a problem. I'm never going to return when he OFFICIALLY replaces this layout with the cancerous new one, as I never complained about this one (as far as I remember, but you're free to provide me with evidence of my "tantrum" towards this layout).
I couldn't give less fucks about other people's reasons as to why they're leaving, since I just provided you with mine.
Hope that was simple enough for you to understand.
But this is where the fact it has been around for ages comes into play. I hadn't seen jizz.ppy.sh change anything in months.
You jumped the gun by moving to a new forum when the reality is the design probably wont be implemented in several months to come.
The only logical reason you can give for moving is the fact you were throwing a tantrum.
You jumped the gun by moving to a new forum when the reality is the design probably wont be implemented in several months to come.
The only logical reason you can give for moving is the fact you were throwing a tantrum.
So, by going with your flawless logic, I can only be on one forum at a time, huh? Never once did it occur to you that I might still be browsing this forum without actually posting in it?
Of course I won't be active here when the three or so people I was here for aren't that active anymore either, but that doesn't mean that if I register on Tuuba, I'm immediately banned from ever entering this place again.
Also it's not my fault peppy's shitty new layout isn't out. I said it before in case you really wanted to prove me that I'm throwing some random tantrums - I'm never going to return to this place once the new layout is OFFICIAL. Refer to the post above if you need more time to understand that.
Of course I won't be active here when the three or so people I was here for aren't that active anymore either, but that doesn't mean that if I register on Tuuba, I'm immediately banned from ever entering this place again.
Also it's not my fault peppy's shitty new layout isn't out. I said it before in case you really wanted to prove me that I'm throwing some random tantrums - I'm never going to return to this place once the new layout is OFFICIAL. Refer to the post above if you need more time to understand that.
It's hypocritical to storm out in outraged protest only to return when nothing has changed and the outrage dies down.
It will be hilarious if the current layout just becomes old.ppy.sh when the new one arrives if ever.
It will be hilarious if the current layout just becomes old.ppy.sh when the new one arrives if ever.
I never left, but the amount of cretins in these forums have given me enough reason to.
I tried taking you seriously, but your baiting is just too hard.
Anyways, EneT seems to share my opinion of the majority of people here.
Anyways, EneT seems to share my opinion of the majority of people here.
Yes everybody who disagrees with you is just baiting. Keep telling yourself that.
I seriously believe if you have an issue with the direction peppy is taking the forums you should leave and have the conviction to stay out since it looks like nothing will change his mind.
IppE
Eeh, more in the lines of "we don't really like the new layout or how the moderation is done here etc. etc. so we'll just do our own thing instead of bitching and whining about how things are done here".Green Platinum wrote:
From what I could gather the whole point of moving was some whiney tantrum/protest about the new design.
I don't see how that is a tantrum, but if you want to think of it as such, go ahead.
i seriously believe people should post wherever the fuck they want regardless of what you sayGreen Platinum wrote:
I seriously believe if you have an issue with the direction peppy is taking the forums you should leave and have the conviction to stay out since it looks like nothing will change his mind.
Shohei Ohtani
fuck your edgy ass bullshit fucking Dulcet just made the most savage return after some horny chinese dude complained about being friendzoned and all you can talk about is how people are no longer posting their libertarian political views on a different server than the one that you're currently posting im so dissapointed
bruh lol