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The Werewolf Game 5 (Ended by Host Decision)

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Cuddlebun
965 posts
Joined August 2008
Cuddlebun
much as you'd like to try you're not very good at huge walls of suspicion text like Two

pieguy1372 wrote:

-Todesengal. She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who. Also, she hasn't contributed that much.
herfderf contradictory much? I'm suspicious for what I contributed but oh wait I haven't contributed much. And the bolded clause is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've read in this game.

You're accusing half that list because they 'don't contribute' much or they lurk. That kinda falls flat when you haven't said anything almost the whole fucking game other than the occasional vote and 'idunnomaybethey'rewolfimsuspiciouskinda'. I mean shit, adam and tatsuo have been more active than you, so how does that 'not contributing' factor work out on you?

pieguy1372 wrote:

:( Sorry, I didn't intend that statement to be hurtful. What I meant was that you've mainly contributed things that agree with the overall direction of things.
herfderf as opposed to you the trailblazer?

Why do I get the feeling you're trying to point a shitstorm of fingers so maybe people don't think you're a wolf because 'hey I've been inactive pretty much the whole game but now I'm suddenly going to make this huge post which hopefully looks logical'?
nardii
271 posts
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nardii
IF DxS is the coroner, why the hell is he being so fucking cryptic? What's the point, you're pro-town (I assume) and you're DEAD. In fact, it was the thing that got you killed. You're not "mysterious" by saying "You shouldn't have done/do that, I'm important 8-)", just say "Hey guys I'm the coroner and you're stupid" and you would've at least had a chance of survival.

So what's more likely, DxS is:
a) stupid
b) an asshole
c) a wolf

(pick two at most)
anonymous_old
0 posts
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anonymous_old
Tell me something, pieguy.

Are you a Civilian?
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
0_o
Hey wait a sec.

Accusing Tode:

pieguy wrote:

She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who.
Accusing me:

pieguy wrote:

[...] tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.
You went from "pointing fingers is good" to "pointing fingers is bad" within a line. Which is it?

EDIT: It has just come to my attention that in IRC I said "I talked to DxS the other day and he was the coroner." I actually meant to say "he says" he was the coroner. I didn't notice this until it was pointed out just now. So for the record, "DxS is the coroner" is not the position I have at this time.

EDIT: Fixed missing quote mark
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Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan

Two wrote:

That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck)
ilu2
and while we're all bashing pieguy for his suspicions - with reason, mind you - let's also note there is some merit to what he said about some people. For instance:

pieguy1372 wrote:

-Rolled. There's more than enough evidence against him in my opinion, mainly in this post and Two's post.

-adam2046, nardi1011, I_Tatsuo_I, dkun, and Zerostarry. I'd say that at least one of these is a Wolf, since they all seem to be semi-blending in while not being too active (and Zerostarry just made one post with only his vote and left). It just seems like they're staying under the radar, though I suppose it's just those bad vibes again and there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence against them.
Rolled has been acting very very strange this game, and if it is that blatant to the untrained eye of a newbie - no offense - it must mean something's up. I've recently read through WWG4 (mostly to get a handle on Blackthorne) and what Two said is true, there is a repeating pattern in both roles and strategies.

As for the slew of Miss Vampire 2010 nominations in the second part I quoted: There are enough people not acting at all, even when confronted with the heap of evidence about. Especially nardi and Zerostarry strike me as odd. nardi I've already covered in a previous post somewhere in Day 2, and zerostarry indeed has only made one post, while always being on IRC when I arrive. There's enough going down to cast a vote, and set up an entire suspicion list already, why are you all not acting?

However pieguy, if you want to stay safe, it's best not to post garbage reasoning like that against Tode again. It seems as though you're incrimating someone against all odds wink wink nudge nudge faceman.
Cuddlebun
965 posts
Joined August 2008
Cuddlebun
yeah cuz Tode will fuck your shit up rargh

/flex

edit: fuck it I was waiting to see if Rolled would claw his way back onto osu to at least try to refute some of the accusations but it seems either he can't or doesn't care enough to try. vote: Rolled
matthewtck
8 posts
Joined June 2010
matthewtck
SPOILER

Two wrote:

Hi everyone ^_______^

Since I'm alive again, I'd like to elaborate on what I said in irc about it being likely that Rolled is a wolf.

Let's start with our 3 way msn conversation (Chris, Rolled, me). Rolled proposed that, to stop the random votes/get people to talk (I forget which if it's not both), the three of us all vote for someone within 1 second of each other. Chris said okay, but only if he got to pick who. Chris chose whoatefred, I forget what his reason was but we didn't argue and all voted for him.

Here is why that makes Rolled likely to be a wolf:

1. If Chris named a wolf, I believe he would either have given a bs reason to not vote for them or he would have changed his vote before the end of day 1, despite his computer problems (as they were easily circumvented via ps3).

2. What does a wolf want to do day 1? Inflate human vote numbers without leaving a wolf trail. What better way to do that than by manipulating humans into voting?

3. Even though it was supposed to be a fake/joke vote, he never changed his vote off of whoatefred, when he did have the ability to do so.

Then there is the hugely incriminating fact that I died night 1:

1. As you saw on the wolf forum last game, Rolled is bad at picking night targets that benefit wolves long-term. He initially wanted me to die night 1 that game, and then when it became obvious that NoHitter was the insomniac, wanted me dead night 2. Why did my death not benefit wolves long-term this game? Because, like last game, it made no sense to night kill someone who could so easily be lynched; they wasted their night kill. I intentionally said things that were beyond what I normally would say in hopes that the wolves would keep me alive.

Then there is the fact that I was the psychic. You would think, why is this bad for the wolves long-term? Kill the psychic fast and he will scan less people. That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck), increasing the odds of lynching a wolf.

2. I was the psychic. In msn I refused to roleclaim to both Rolled and Chris, which I have never done before. Chris was suspicious of this but Rolled said that it made sense since they both were wolves last game. I don't buy this for a second. I think it's very likely that he thought I was an aux and sniffed me/had me sniffed. Once the wolves knew I was the psychic, it made no sense for them to not kill me.

Finally, on day 2, after I had posted numerous times about why wojjan and matthewtck couldn't be wolves, Rolled voted for matthewtck. Not only did he vote for him, but he never once commented on my reasoning, despite definitely having read it. This is because by commenting on it, he would be bringing it to everyone's attention again. If no one talks about it, it basically gets swept under the rug.

So, since I have another scan as I die tonight, I would like to reduce the chance of wasting it on a human. If you are the priest who resurrected me, or the coroner who knows for sure that I am the psychic, please PM me. I can also act as your proxy today and give the information on who died, since I am going to die anyway. I can understand the priest's reservations about revealing who they are if they choose not to, but you did have enough faith in me to use your one resurrection, so it would be wonderful if you did.

With that wall of text said, vote Rolled
you got a point there...and since you clear my name...
VOTE Rolled
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
Are we going to finally lynch a wolf this game, then?

Also, I haven't heard from the priest or coroner, so I guess it's safe to assume that the priest really doesn't want me to know them and the coroner was dxs.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
oh right I should vote.
Obviously, voting for Rolled
Derekku
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Derekku
tbqh, I'm still not convinced that Two is our psychic.
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old

Derekku Chan wrote:

tbqh, I'm still not convinced that Two is our psychic.
B-but he said I was town!
aRiskOfRain
osu! Alumni
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Joined June 2009
aRiskOfRain

adam2046 wrote:

0_o was the one who said it.
I thought it was said in a private chat with pieguy, sorry.

adam2046 wrote:

You also seem pretty certain that Dex is the coroner.
I have no reason to doubt what either 0_o or DxS says.

DiamondCrash wrote:

Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.
Shit hasn't happened. Vote: Rolled.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
Vote - Rolled
Derekku
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Derekku
Again, I don't believe that Two is the psychic. I know I'm going off on a limb here, but suppose for a moment that Two is a wolf/vampire.

*Wolves kill one of their own (Two) on night 1 (something that hasn't been done before, but is VERY possible and getting more and more likely every game)
*Two claims psychic and magically confirms multiple people (i.e., his wolf buddies)
*Priest believes that Two is pro-town and revives him to get more names
*Two leads everyone off a cliff by making them vote for whoever he wants them to. (Yes, Two is sometimes like this, but I think that this is getting a bit out of hand)
*Even if Two gets killed again on night 3, that still wouldn't prove that he's pro-town since the wolves would be getting their kills from Two's hit list.

If this is really true, then think how easily the wolves will win. I believed for a while that Two was the psychic, but getting everyone to vote under his command, trying to coax me via PM with a list of confirmed humans, etc. is really making me believe otherwise.

I'd vote for Two right now, but since he should be getting NK'd tonight, our lynch vote would be better on someone else. (i.e., scum)
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
0_o
I have also considered the possibility that Two is a vampire, but here's the thing: nobody has counterclaimed Psychic. Two is probably the most trusted player in the game right now - if he's not the Psychic then the real one certainly would have spoke up by now.
Derekku
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Derekku

0_o wrote:

if he's not the Psychic then the real one certainly would have spoke up by now.
Possible, or there could be no psychic at all (though that's unlikely in a big game like this). Also, what if there are two psychics? (I can't remember if A<3 said if that was possible or not though)

Again, this is just all speculation, and the main reason I'm bringing it up is due to Two's near-scummy way of getting people to vote.
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old
Your plan/idea is flawed, Derekku.

For one:

Derekku Chan wrote:

*Two claims psychic and magically confirms multiple people (i.e., his wolf buddies)
I'm not a wolf, nor a vampire.

Two:

Derekku Chan wrote:

I'd vote for Two right now, but since he should be getting NK'd tonight, our lynch vote would be better on someone else. (i.e., scum)
If you think he isn't Psychic, why would you assume he's going to be NK'd? You know that's WIFOM.

You also imply in that statement that Two is not scum, even though most of the rest of your post is trying to support the idea that Two is perhaps scum. Freudian slip which I'll follow with a vote.

Vote: Derekku Chan
Hijiri Tezuka
313 posts
Joined March 2010
Hijiri Tezuka
Well, after reading what Two said, I guess I got no other choice bu to Vote:Rolled
Derekku
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Derekku

strager wrote:

If you think he isn't Psychic, why would you assume he's going to be NK'd? You know that's WIFOM.
Option 1: Wolves kill Two because he's the "psychic" (Still doesn't tell if he really is or if the wolves are just making it look like he's not)
Option 2: Wolves don't kill Two (just brings up confusion so I don't see this as a likely option)
Exactly as you said, strager. It's just WIFOM. Again, I'm just speculating.

strager wrote:

You also imply in that statement that Two is not scum, even though most of the rest of your post is trying to support the idea that Two is perhaps scum.
As for my "let's vote for scum" comment, I meant try to find another scummy person until we have more thoughts on Two (and something from Rolled, since everyone is all "kill now, ask questions later").
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
Derek darling, let's continue the logic if Two would indeed be a Vampire. Two goes ahead and clears multiple people that are also vampires. That makes 5 by now: Two, whoatefred, strager, me, and Chris. For the sake of being consistent I'm assuming there are eight in total. At the end of day one, whoatefred got lnched. That means there are seven wolves left in the game. Come Night one, the wolves off their own member, Two. And then there were six. On Day Two, DxS more or less claims coroner and more or less says Two was Psychic and whoatefred was human. This goes against the theory, so DxS must also be a wolf. we have six known wolves, three of them dead right now. That leaves 5. Then Night Two, Two gets revived by the Priest, bringing the wolf count back to six. Do you think the wolves would kill Two tonight, again reducing their own numbers and killing off their most valuably positioned player? And then I didn't even mention the fact that, if the actual psychic (if any) would investigate ANY OF THIS LIST AT ALL, or if the actual coroner got info on Two, whoatefred and DxS and sees they are ALL WOLVES, the entire list Two pointed out as being human becomes a list of known wolves, thereby revealing 6 out of my pictured 8 wolves. Wouldn't that be a silly move?
If you stilll believe Two is indeed a wolf, and think the loss of potentially the only role left that can deduce other people's role, then go ahead and vote for him, since your reasoning he will get NK'ed is terribly flawed.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
actually I said matthewtck not whoatefred
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
well whoatefred was in your confirmed humans list you sent to all of your confirmed humans.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
yes he definitely was a human but matthewtck is more concrete imo
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
Wait, if you added matthew in there that makes for seven out of eight known wolves if you are one. And with Rolled acting all weird and the pile of arguments against him he would then most likely be nr 8. That means all you have to do is lynch all of that list during the day and town wins.
Two_old
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Joined March 2008
Two_old
yes but we are getting a little offtopic

unvote, vote Rolled
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Just pointing out the flaws in Derek's reasoning~
Derekku
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Derekku
Wojjan, I don't think that he'd confirm the entire list of wolves, since that would be too obvious/suspicious/whatever.

I realize that there are flaws in my "reasoning", but I only posted that line of thought to get people to fucking think instead of just following every word that Two says. The majority of players have voted for Rolled now, and I'd say that many haven't even thought twice about their vote. THAT is the problem here.
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old

Wojjan wrote:

Just pointing out the flaws in Derek's reasoning~
You're not supposed to point out flaws by creating flawed counter-arguments.

Who the hell says a wolf has to try to clear all of his wolf buddies? While I am a Civilian as Two said, he can still be a vampire making a lucky (well, with probability in his favour) guess.

Wait; Derekku just said that. Damnit. =[

Derekku, having one solid arguments/counter-argument is much better than having a list of flawed arguments. Thanks.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Vote: Wojjan

It's pretty unfair to vote for Rolled since he hasn't even had a chance to give his rebuttal. I'm sticking with my vote on Wojjan until Rolled says something.

Though Rolled could be faking this whole scenario, I just want to hear it straight from his mouth.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Vote: Everyone. For Mario's reasoning.
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old

Wojjan wrote:

Vote: Everyone. For Mario's reasoning.
inorite
Chris_old
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Chris_old

MarioBros777 wrote:

Vote: Wojjan

It's pretty unfair to vote for Rolled since he hasn't even had a chance to give his rebuttal. I'm sticking with my vote on Wojjan until Rolled says something.

Though Rolled could be faking this whole scenario, I just want to hear it straight from his mouth.
Why are you voting for one of the few people who are all but confirmed human, especially when Wojjan isn't the only person who voted for Rolled?
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old

Chris wrote:

MarioBros777 wrote:

Vote: Wojjan

It's pretty unfair to vote for Rolled since he hasn't even had a chance to give his rebuttal. I'm sticking with my vote on Wojjan until Rolled says something.

Though Rolled could be faking this whole scenario, I just want to hear it straight from his mouth.
Why are you voting for one of the few people who are all but confirmed human, especially when Wojjan isn't the only person who voted for Rolled?
Because they're wolf buddies and MB777 is trying to distance himself.
Chris_old
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Rolled
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Rolled
Okay.

First and foremost, given my circumstances, I haven't acted out of nature at all in this game. Typing this post alone will probably take me 30 minutes (i have no USB keyboard) Obviously this is extremely inconvenient, and to be frank, I dont hold an important role in this game thus it has not been my top priority to remain a big part. Most of you know how I play this game, and limiting my activity to just the forums cripples me greatly. Not to mention i log out every time I refresh a page, and don't even have the ability to use the most basic functions such as quoting. I haven't even spoken to anybody in this game since it has started, really. Anybody who is justifying their vote towards me with "Rolled is acting strange" is a cop out. MY circumstance is well-known, and I had considered finding my own replacement on D1 but Ace wasn't for it.

Character limit. This post is just defending myself, I will post assumptions in next post.
Rolled
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Rolled
As far as Two's claims of me having the most gain from him dying d1, while perhaps this may be true, it is completely absurd to conclude that him dying n1 makes me a wolf. In fact, him dying n1 should mean the exact opposite because I would not be so foolish to do something like that. I know you've seen the wolf forums from last game, why would I repeat the same strategy that I know you are well aware of? Think outside the box.

Just because Two is making these accusations doesn't make me suspicious of him at all, he's just terribly misguided. Chris too, for that matter. I request our old pregame MSN log to be posted just so you can see how ridiculous it was.

One more post coming. Going to attempt to quote Two
Rolled
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Rolled
Okay cant quote. Bit by bit.

"Let's start with our 3 way msn conversation (Chris, Rolled, me). Rolled proposed that, to stop the random votes/get people to talk (I forget which if it's not both), the three of us all vote for someone within 1 second of each other. Chris said okay, but only if he got to pick who. Chris chose whoatefred, I forget what his reason was but we didn't argue and all voted for him." Reason? There was no reason because it was the vote was for nothing more than to stop people's RV shenanigans. It served it's purpose for the most part.

"1. If Chris named a wolf, I believe he would either have given a bs reason to not vote for them or he would have changed his vote before the end of day 1, despite his computer problems (as they were easily circumvented via ps3)." This is stupid. So he turned out to be human. I had no idea of this until anybody else did. The vote was nothing more than a RV, and I agreed to vote for whoever Chris wanted before he even gave a name.
Rolled
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Rolled
Char limit yet again. As you can see, it is a pain and a half to even partake in this game with my current conditions and I've already lost interest. I hope my point got across well enough.

Now back to the matter at hand, I am of no use in this game atm, but I still assure you all I am human. At this point in time, however, I believe the best way to handle this would be for all of you to see for yourself via the coroner that I am nothing more than a vanilla civ. On d4, let it be known that I cast FOS on all bandwagonners to Two and Chris.

Vote: Rolled

Best of luck.
Rolled
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Rolled
Oh, and thanks a fucking lot you made me miss RJ Berger.
AceOfArrows
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Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
okay. status is updated, and it took long enough considering all the copypasta'ing i hadda do. -that and apparently my enter key has died now too, meaning i hafta copypasta linebreaks, also-. nonetheless, as you can see, i remain dedicated to this werewolf game even though a sizable chunk of my keyboard no longer works -though, if my ctrl key breaks, i will be in major trouble-, and have taken the time to update the status post with all necessary capital letters and stuffiz. i highly doubt i really need to post the current vote tally, cuz we all know where it's headed, but here you go anyway.

Vote Tally
* Rolled (9 Votes: Two, pieguy1372, Todesengal, matthewtck, Wojjan, DiamondCrash, Chris, Oyashiro Beatrice, Rolled)
* Wojjan (1 Vote: MarioBros777)
* Derekku Chan (1 Vote: strager)
* Todesengal (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])
* MarioBros777 (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])
* pieguy1372 (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])

by the way, two, as far as i recall, your first vote on d3 was for rolled in the first place, so i didn't count it as a change.

i will be around tomorrow for the lynching, and it will happen on time regardless of my keyboard issues. i don't care if i hafta start typing the post an hour early and add the name at the last minute -and if it must, it will be in all lowercase-. i get paid friday and a usb keyboard is on my list of mandatory expenditures, but until then, i must deal with my myriad keyboard problems. hopefully i can borrow one from a friend for the next few days; i've been asking around.

i guess that's about it.
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