Status is updated. Here ya go. ^.^

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (2 Votes: strager, LadySuburu)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DJblackthorne (2 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Wojjan (1 Vote: 0_o)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)

[point out logic flaw]
By the way, Derekku...regarding your "eliminate the bad townie" logic:

*assuming one using said logic is human*
ANYONE with a Human role is NEVER "not of any value/use," even Civvies; BECAUSE they are Human, they help the Human team outnumber the Vampires. Therefore I strongly suggest you stop your dangerous thinking, and it IS dangerous, because it is STUPID to lynch someone you think is a Human for ANY reason. If you believe someone is Human, but choose to try to get them lynched anyway, you are supporting the Vampires. I personally see LESS than ZERO possible benefit from "getting rid of a stupid/bad townie."

Just thought I'd say.

Now on the other hand, it would be FAR less stupid to vote for someone you think is a Vampire, which is what you are supposed to be doing.
[/point out logic flaw]

...shit, I worded that wrong.

I was trying to get at "if he's not trying to help the town, then that sounds like scummy behavior." Being quiet in games like this is never a good idea. If he's a townie and bored, then he shouldn't have signed up in the first place.

orz

Hey Ace.

You aren't playing. ^_^

Wow I can't understand AT ALL what's going on, I will have to pore over the last three pages or so with extreme concentration today until I actually understand what people are saying. Damn English not being my first language.

So until then, no voting

How come no one has addressed the fact that the NK'd psychic-claiming Two has cleared strager and Chris? It seems odd to me that there are people still discussing voting for Chris when a dead, quite-likely psychic says he's human.

Now I do realize that Two wouldn't be able to scan twice so it's likely that one of them was cleared by other means (of, admittedly, unknown validity), but there still is a decent chance he was cleared by Psychic investigation. It would be kind of nice if Two could shed some light on the whole situation, but I don't know where his mind is at (I never do).

What are everyone else's thoughts on this?

Hello, my head is dead from 400 miles of driving. Let me read through the thread.

..Okay now I'm confused.

Dammit. I'll vote for DxS for Lady Suburu's reasons as I reread the thread for the nth time.

Also, what does it mean for you to say "LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN." What makes you so sure? :
Because s/he is "least experienced, poor time zone location and lack of maturity."?

Two mentioned that he scanned strager. He used his bromance with Chris to determine that he was human.

[18:37] <Two> 2. chris used our friendship this game to convince me that he wasn't a wolf, he wouldn't throw that away over a game
[18:38] <@The_King_In_Yellow> BFF POWER

err...VOTE:DiamondCrash
seems a bit suspicious to me...

Right. Reread the thread like three-four times, along with the logs. Posting to offer my view at the situation

Starting off, I don't think Two would have any reason at all to lie about him being a psychic and strager and chris's human status. Provided that it is very, very unlikely for the wolves to sacrifice a wolf Two on the first night, Two is most definitely a human and a psychic, which pretty much clears strager. As for Chris, I have no idea what methods Two used to claim Chris's humanity (see Ivalsetto's claim that Two scanned strager), but I brush it aside for now as there are more important matters at hand.

Which brings me to...DxS.

LadySuburu has already posted what I wanted to say, but seriously, DxS is three times as more suspicious as NoHItter was in last WWG. For those who don't understand, that's quite a high level of suspiciousness. Instantly going all-out to lynch someone for no solid reason on day 1 might be eyebrow-raising but understandable. Trying the same thing again without additional evidence is definitely suspicious. What's even more suspicious is that he changes his vote to Blackthorne so easily. His pathetic excuse for a reason (I think it had something to do with Blackthorne not following the majority) only tells me that he is eager to jump on any bandwagon that flies atm.

i.e. the classic behavior of a wolf.

Read Chris's log with Blackthorne, and I gotta admit, Blackthorne is acting quite differently from the last WWG, where he was a civ (were you? I'm not 100% sure) However, nothing too suspicious yet.

Didn't even bother to read the log accusing wojjan. Apologies to Ival who provided the log, but I'm just too lazy to read a log that long.

So,

Vote : DxS until anything new comes up. I'd love to see DxS actually make a defense for himself, since he hasn't done that in this game yet.

So I went and took a timetrip in the fora, and looked up the player/wolf ratio for all of Ace's games:
WWG4: 19 players, 7 wolves. 7/19*100 = 36,84%
WWG3: 22 players, 8 wolves. 8/22*100 = 36,36%
WWG2: 26 players, 8 wolves. 8/26*100 = 30,77%
WWG1: 14 players, 5 wolves. 5/14*100 = 35,71%

Average = 34,92% ⋍ 35%
WWG5: 25 players, X wolves. X/25*100 ⋍35% => X=8,73
Assuming Ace keeps a steady ratio (which he does more or less), there are 8 or 9 wolves in this game. Since in a game with 26 players (WWG3) he previously used 8 wolves, I'm inclined to believe 8 again.

So here is my suspicion list of all living players, assuming we have not yet killed a wolf. The confirmed humans are based on Two's information he sent me as of Night 1. I filtered out intuition and the facts, and was left with this.


Obviously, these aren't my final eight, and this list isn't set in stone, as we're only Day 2.
The top eight in this list would, according to my logic, at least, be the wolves (with the exempt from Chris and DJBlackthorne, I'll explain that when I get there.). Following is some elaboration on these eight, as to why exactly they scored so high:

DeathxShinigami: He has only been voting for those who already have votes, and seems to rush the game towards night phase. Quite strange, if you ask me, for a civvie to do.

Todesengal: Although hanging in IRC often, I haven't seen any actual contributing from her side, although she usually does, based on previous games.

I_Tatsuo_I: In addition to the argument I gave for Tode, (bar the experience from previous games), he seems to actually be able to contribute, but only did so when asked.

nardi11011: Has he even been around to drop off his opinion? I'm used to way more participation on his side, whih even led to him making an alternate account. Why did he suddenly fall mute?

Rolled: He has been making some small slip-ups I wouldn't expect from an experienced player. That callout on Tode's comment was odd, because I honestly don't think he wouldn't know the word 'succint'. And, quoth DiamondCrash:

<DiamondCrash> Also he quoted the wrong person in his post

Chris: He has been picking on Blackthorne in that one post with the logs, and with very poor arguments to boot.

0_o: Now, this is a different story. Everyone seems to suspect DeathxShinigami because of his constant will to off matthew. However, Day 1 and Day 2 he has only voted me, with arguments one can easily pull a reversal on. The first day, indeed, I took the votes too serious. But it did lead to some more or less decent discussion instead of a non-stop RVS. I'm not saying I suspect him on that, he did well to call me out at that point. But on Day 2, he still votes for me, with that IRC log as evidence, so to speak. However, that IRC logs tells of me not believing Two was the psychic - I do now, by the way, since that talk. - and my strategy for playing wolf being different from him regarding killing a wolf at night.

DJBlackthorne: I know listing him an Chris both as wolves takes away the credibility of my theory, but since this is only a suspicion list, and not a list of "these guys are wolves!", please bear with me. Blackthorne has been in IRC with Chris who was barraging him with accusations that didn't really make sense. However, Blackthorne immedately became defensive on the matter, and tried to counter his logic with whatever he could, hoping to drive suspicion away from him. He is just trying too hard to counter all arguments to still remain believable.

stuffy language, WIFOM WIFOM, look at me I'm diplomatic. Shoot me.

I've just not really been that motivated to actually form an opinion after the last game failed (and I think being a wolf is more fun). As far as suspicion goes, most people haven't really acted suspicious enough for me to consider a vote or I've found their suspicious actions to be explained better by something else than being a wolf. One who does stick out for me is DxS; he seems a bit like a newbie (has he played before?) wolf with his short posts with little reasoning, trying to look like he's thought stuff out but in reality just voting on whoever has been voted on already on is likely to be voted on more. His lack of a defense seems weird as well, though now that I think about it that could go either way. Anyway, I guess I'll vote for him since I don't really have anyone else I'm just as suspicious of.

Vote: DxS

To clarify why I'm voting:

DxS wrote:

Vote: DJ Blackthorne

DxS wrote:

I'm not voting for Blackthorne because he's a wolf actually but only because of the way he acts, ....

And the kicker (which I was hoping for, as it's a classic, strong scum tell):

DxS wrote:

Going to unvote one more time sorry.

Confirm vote: DxS

Oh, look, a diplomat!

Vote: Wojjan

strager is really hoping strager can get a chance to read the thread and IRC logs this weekend.

thepianist wrote:

Hello, my head is dead from 400 miles of driving. Let me read through the thread.

..Okay now I'm confused.

Dammit. I'll vote for DxS for Lady Suburu's reasons as I reread the thread for the nth time.

Also, what does it mean for you to say "LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN." What makes you so sure? :
Because s/he is "least experienced, poor time zone location and lack of maturity."?

What the hell...
Since when were you in this game?

adam2046 wrote:

What the hell...
Since when were you in this game?

W-Wuhh. That was mean >:c

Anyways, what is a good application to access IRC from an iPod?

Wojjan you are forgetting Rolled did not finish high school.

It's shame everyone's using me as bait

DeathxShinigami wrote:

It's shame everyone's using me as bait

It's a shame you aren't defending yourself.

At least say "I'm not a wolf" or something.

Todesengal wrote:

Wojjan you are forgetting Rolled did not finish high school.

Really?

DeathxShinigami wrote:

It's shame everyone's using me as bait

Bait? The only thing we're trying to catch is a vampire, and as far as I'm concerned, that's you.

thepianist wrote:

Anyways, what is a good application to access IRC from an iPod?

I use Colloquy, costs $2.

@Wojjan: I realize my voting for you seems odd when there are several more popular votes right now, but I think the reason that I find you the most suspicious is because I've found you suspicious for the longest. The idea of "Wojjan is a vampire" has had the most time to settle in my head compared to anyone else. So I admit there is a bias here, but that's just where my head is at.

I'll probably be switching my vote to one of the more likely candidates for a lynch once I read through everything again.

Hmm... even with matthew being an inexperienced player, I'd say that the vampires would be telling him how to post without looking suspicious. I suppose for now I'll lay off my suspicions (for now), but insist that he posts more (and with more detail than "they look suspicious").

I'll change my vote in a bit once I find a better person to vote for (aka re-reading walls of text yayy)

Status is updated.

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (5 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Wojjan (1 Vote: 0_o)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)

Also, I nearly typed a disclaimer for my previous post twice. I SEE I SHOULDA SUBMITTED IT. People, people. I confirmed NOTHING in that post. I thought I made it pretty damn clear that it was the LOGIC I was pointing out flaws in, ASSUMING Derekku was Human.

However, now I WILL confirm that I won't be doing anything other than updating the status. I'm not talking anymore, because every time I open my mouth to say anything other than "the status is updated herpa derpa derp" or make a storyline post, someone thinks I've confirmed someone else's role. No more input from your Host. I'm done with this crap. Status updates only from here on out.

Reading and re-reading through the thread...

DJ KRZY wrote:

LadySuburu has already posted what I wanted to say, but seriously, DxS is three times as more suspicious as NoHItter was in last WWG. For those who don't understand, that's quite a high level of suspiciousness. Instantly going all-out to lynch someone for no solid reason on day 1 might be eyebrow-raising but understandable. Trying the same thing again without additional evidence is definitely suspicious. What's even more suspicious is that he changes his vote to Blackthorne so easily. His pathetic excuse for a reason (I think it had something to do with Blackthorne not following the majority) only tells me that he is eager to jump on any bandwagon that flies atm.

No solid reasons and pressing to lynch someone without enough evidence...

DeathxShinigami wrote:

I'm not voting for Blackthorne because he's a wolf actually but only because of the way he acts

Check how you're acting right now, vampire.

Vote DxS.

On a little side note; Forgive me for my inactivity on WWG5. Steam gets the best of me sometimes, and I just get a little bit too preoccupied with my personal matters.

Vote: DxS

Let's move this along shall we?

..well that makes my decision easier.

There's no way an aux would give up like that unless he's a total douche, so seeing as the worst-case scenario is that we lynch a civilian who doesn't want to play anymore:

vote DxS

Status updated again.

1 1/2 hours to the deadline; I'll be keeping a closer eye on things.

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (9 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)

0_o wrote:

..well that makes my decision easier.

There's no way an aux would give up like that unless he's a total douche, so seeing as the worst-case scenario is that we lynch a civilian who doesn't want to play anymore:

vote DxS

Sorry I am being a douche to you guys. Have fun trying to figure out which roles people have~

*sigh* Why does it come down to this...

Vote: DxS

Another update. Less than 10 minutes to go. If there aren't a few more people who vote, I have to hand out some PVs.

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (11 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o, Derekku Chan, Ivalset)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Rolled (1 Vote: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
matthewtck (1 Votes: Rolled)

LadySuburu wrote:

As I was not there at the time, I cannot know when Blackthorne started typing his comment. However, from the way this is worded and the timing on the log, the way I see it is that Blackthorne started typing it after Chris's first line. "I have a wolf on the inside who gave me all the wolf names."

If he had started typing it at the time of the second comment, it would be suspicious. Again, since I was not there, I can't weigh the statement.

I started typing when i read the first post, hit enter, then looked at the screen. As for the content of those four lines, i was pretty ticked when my first WWG ended on the second day for such an unnecessarily stupid reason.
*punches modem* (Work faster) Let me make a blanket statement real quick. I'll fight accusations, because i feel that's what has to be done. And it's what i do for fun in this game along side watching how the vote tree develops. Now i won't bother claiming that I'm human because i feel it has the same significance of putting a rock on a tank. What i say doesn't ultimately matter as much in this game after my idiot parade rolls out.

Vote Chris

Okay people, pencils down.

Nice save there Blackthorne; your vote saved you from a PV.

Necessaries will be up when they're done being typed.

Edit-in: Here's the vote log if you want it.

Day 2 Vote Log wrote:

Current Lynch Vote Standings

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (11 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o, Derekku Chan, Ivalset)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (2 Votes: Oyashiro Beatrice, DJblackthorne)
Rolled (1 Vote: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
matthewtck (1 Votes: Rolled)

Vote Log
* Chris voted against Rolled.
* Wojjan voted against adam2046.
* strager voted against Chris.
* Zerostarry voted against 0_o.
* DeathxShinigami voted against matthewtck.
* Derekku Chan voted against I_Tatsuo_I.
* I_Tatsuo_I voted against DJblackthorne.
- Chris changed his vote to DJblackthorne.
* adam2046 voted against Rolled.
* Rolled voted against matthewtck.
* 0_o voted against Wojjan.
- DeathxShinigami changed his vote to DJblackthorne.
- strager changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
* Oyashiro Beatrice voted against Chris.
- Derekku Chan changed his vote to matthewtck.
- DeathxShinigami retracted his vote.
* LadySuburu voted against DeathxShinigami.
* thepianist voted against DeathxShinigami.
* DiamondCrash voted against DJblackthorne.
* matthewtck voted against DiamondCrash.
* DJ KRZY voted against DeathxShinigami.
* nardi11011 voted against DeathxShinigami.
* dkun voted against DeathxShinigami.
- DeathxShinigami changed his vote to himself.
- Zerostarry changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
- 0_o changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
- Derekku Chan changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
* Ivalset voted against DeathxShinigami.
* DJblackthorne voted against Chris.

x Todesengal failed to vote.
x MarioBros777 failed to vote.
x pieguy1372 failed to vote.

Those who failed to vote will have a Phantom Vote placed on their heads on Day 3.

Dusk

It was pretty clear who the vote was against tonight.

DeathxShinigami was taken to the gallows, allowed final words, then hanged.

Barring final words, DeathxShinigami is now dead and is out of the game.

Night 2

During This Phase: I am expecting Night PMs in my PMbox.

Deadline: 8:00 PM EST on Friday, July 9th. This allows 2 days for the PMs to arrive.

The preparations are now complete.

well. things are getting more complicated. sorry for the late post, but my ''d'' key is not functional (the contact still works, but the membrane is shot), so i tried to repair it by taking the membrane from my start menu key using directions i found online. this did not solve my problem, and in addition, this attempt also ended up killing the apparently rather small circuit my start menu key evidently shared with my shift keys. i was, and still am, solving my d problem by copypasta'ing, but i won't be solving my shift key problem as easily. i think it's time to go buy a usb keyboard. -insert ugh smiley here since shift keys don't work to make a colon-

clearly, i can and will still be making my posts. it will just take me a bit longer.

anyway-

Dawn

well, there's still 23 of you. Ivalset was killed by the vampires, and Two was resurrected by the Priest, whose name i cannot disclose because it was a private res.

Day 3

you know what happens this phase.

deadline for this phase will be 8 pm est on tuesday, july 13th, which gives you [i]4 days[/b].

now, i am off to try to borrow somebody's usb keyboard because all-lowercase except for what i choose to copypasta is driving me insane.

Hi everyone ^_______^

Since I'm alive again, I'd like to elaborate on what I said in irc about it being likely that Rolled is a wolf.

Let's start with our 3 way msn conversation (Chris, Rolled, me). Rolled proposed that, to stop the random votes/get people to talk (I forget which if it's not both), the three of us all vote for someone within 1 second of each other. Chris said okay, but only if he got to pick who. Chris chose whoatefred, I forget what his reason was but we didn't argue and all voted for him.

Here is why that makes Rolled likely to be a wolf:

1. If Chris named a wolf, I believe he would either have given a bs reason to not vote for them or he would have changed his vote before the end of day 1, despite his computer problems (as they were easily circumvented via ps3).

2. What does a wolf want to do day 1? Inflate human vote numbers without leaving a wolf trail. What better way to do that than by manipulating humans into voting?

3. Even though it was supposed to be a fake/joke vote, he never changed his vote off of whoatefred, when he did have the ability to do so.

Then there is the hugely incriminating fact that I died night 1:

1. As you saw on the wolf forum last game, Rolled is bad at picking night targets that benefit wolves long-term. He initially wanted me to die night 1 that game, and then when it became obvious that NoHitter was the insomniac, wanted me dead night 2. Why did my death not benefit wolves long-term this game? Because, like last game, it made no sense to night kill someone who could so easily be lynched; they wasted their night kill. I intentionally said things that were beyond what I normally would say in hopes that the wolves would keep me alive.

Then there is the fact that I was the psychic. You would think, why is this bad for the wolves long-term? Kill the psychic fast and he will scan less people. That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck), increasing the odds of lynching a wolf.

2. I was the psychic. In msn I refused to roleclaim to both Rolled and Chris, which I have never done before. Chris was suspicious of this but Rolled said that it made sense since they both were wolves last game. I don't buy this for a second. I think it's very likely that he thought I was an aux and sniffed me/had me sniffed. Once the wolves knew I was the psychic, it made no sense for them to not kill me.

Finally, on day 2, after I had posted numerous times about why wojjan and matthewtck couldn't be wolves, Rolled voted for matthewtck. Not only did he vote for him, but he never once commented on my reasoning, despite definitely having read it. This is because by commenting on it, he would be bringing it to everyone's attention again. If no one talks about it, it basically gets swept under the rug.

So, since I have another scan as I die tonight, I would like to reduce the chance of wasting it on a human. If you are the priest who resurrected me, or the coroner who knows for sure that I am the psychic, please PM me. I can also act as your proxy today and give the information on who died, since I am going to die anyway. I can understand the priest's reservations about revealing who they are if they choose not to, but you did have enough faith in me to use your one resurrection, so it would be wonderful if you did.

With that wall of text said, vote Rolled

Okay so

It turns out DeathxShinigami was the Coroner, according to 0_o.

<faceguy> oh btw, I talked to DxS the other day and he was the coroner
<faceguy> he said he was "taking a hit for someone else"
<faceguy> and other things that made no sense

In any case, here are the people who seem the most suspicious to me (in order from most to least suspicious):

-Rolled. There's more than enough evidence against him in my opinion, mainly in this post and Two's post.

-Todesengal. She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who. Also, she hasn't contributed that much.

-Wojjan and 0_o: I'm getting bad vibes of sorts from the both of them. Plus, they both tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.

-DJ KRZY: Doesn't seem to be contributing that much, and overall just seems suspicious for some reason.

-adam2046, nardi1011, I_Tatsuo_I, dkun, and Zerostarry. I'd say that at least one of these is a Wolf, since they all seem to be semi-blending in while not being too active (and Zerostarry just made one post with only his vote and left). It just seems like they're staying under the radar, though I suppose it's just those bad vibes again and there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence against them.

As such, I vote Rolled.

pieguy1372 wrote:

-DJ KRZY: Doesn't seem to be contributing that much, and overall just seems suspicious for some reason.

that hurts.

Why the hell did you just out the coroner? Ugh. Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.

DiamondCrash wrote:

Why the hell did you just out the coroner? Ugh. Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.

He didn't.
0_o was the one who said it. You also seem pretty certain that Dex is the coroner.

Sorry, I didn't intend that statement to be hurtful. What I meant was that you've mainly contributed things that agree with the overall direction of things.

I said the thing about the DxS because, based on our conversation, it seemed to me like he was a wolf trying to cause chaos. I was trying to say "hey guys, I think we hit a wolf."

Also, DxS said that he was the coroner publicly in IRC shortly before he was lynched:

[2010-07-07 18:37:56] <DxS|IRC> But without me you guys can't figure out roles

Seeing as the only two roles that can figure out roles are Coroner and Psychic, and we already know Two is the Psychic, I really wasn't revealing anything here.

pieguy wrote:

-Wojjan and 0_o: I'm getting bad vibes of sorts from the both of them. Plus, they both tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.

I see several things wrong here.
-You think we are suspicious because we find a semi-valid reason to vote for someone? Semi-valid is pretty much as good as it gets on Day 1 without aux powers to back anyone up. Even on Day 2 there wasn't that much to go on.
-It seems strange to me that you find Wojjan and I suspicious for the same reasons when I've been gunning for Wojjan this entire time. You can pretty much bet that both of us aren't wolves.
-If you find Wojjan suspicious, why is it suspicious of me to vote for him?

much as you'd like to try you're not very good at huge walls of suspicion text like Two

pieguy1372 wrote:

-Todesengal. She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who. Also, she hasn't contributed that much.

herfderf contradictory much? I'm suspicious for what I contributed but oh wait I haven't contributed much. And the bolded clause is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've read in this game.

You're accusing half that list because they 'don't contribute' much or they lurk. That kinda falls flat when you haven't said anything almost the whole fucking game other than the occasional vote and 'idunnomaybethey'rewolfimsuspiciouskinda'. I mean shit, adam and tatsuo have been more active than you, so how does that 'not contributing' factor work out on you?

pieguy1372 wrote:

:( Sorry, I didn't intend that statement to be hurtful. What I meant was that you've mainly contributed things that agree with the overall direction of things.

herfderf as opposed to you the trailblazer?

Why do I get the feeling you're trying to point a shitstorm of fingers so maybe people don't think you're a wolf because 'hey I've been inactive pretty much the whole game but now I'm suddenly going to make this huge post which hopefully looks logical'?

IF DxS is the coroner, why the hell is he being so fucking cryptic? What's the point, you're pro-town (I assume) and you're DEAD. In fact, it was the thing that got you killed. You're not "mysterious" by saying "You shouldn't have done/do that, I'm important ", just say "Hey guys I'm the coroner and you're stupid" and you would've at least had a chance of survival.

So what's more likely, DxS is:
a) stupid
b) an asshole
c) a wolf

(pick two at most)

Tell me something, pieguy.

Are you a Civilian?

Hey wait a sec.

Accusing Tode:

pieguy wrote:

She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who.

Accusing me:

pieguy wrote:

[...] tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.

You went from "pointing fingers is good" to "pointing fingers is bad" within a line. Which is it?

EDIT: It has just come to my attention that in IRC I said "I talked to DxS the other day and he was the coroner." I actually meant to say "he says" he was the coroner. I didn't notice this until it was pointed out just now. So for the record, "DxS is the coroner" is not the position I have at this time.

EDIT: Fixed missing quote mark

Two wrote:

That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck)

ilu2
and while we're all bashing pieguy for his suspicions - with reason, mind you - let's also note there is some merit to what he said about some people. For instance:

pieguy1372 wrote:

-Rolled. There's more than enough evidence against him in my opinion, mainly in this post and Two's post.

-adam2046, nardi1011, I_Tatsuo_I, dkun, and Zerostarry. I'd say that at least one of these is a Wolf, since they all seem to be semi-blending in while not being too active (and Zerostarry just made one post with only his vote and left). It just seems like they're staying under the radar, though I suppose it's just those bad vibes again and there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence against them.

Rolled has been acting very very strange this game, and if it is that blatant to the untrained eye of a newbie - no offense - it must mean something's up. I've recently read through WWG4 (mostly to get a handle on Blackthorne) and what Two said is true, there is a repeating pattern in both roles and strategies.

As for the slew of Miss Vampire 2010 nominations in the second part I quoted: There are enough people not acting at all, even when confronted with the heap of evidence about. Especially nardi and Zerostarry strike me as odd. nardi I've already covered in a previous post somewhere in Day 2, and zerostarry indeed has only made one post, while always being on IRC when I arrive. There's enough going down to cast a vote, and set up an entire suspicion list already, why are you all not acting?

However pieguy, if you want to stay safe, it's best not to post garbage reasoning like that against Tode again. It seems as though you're incrimating someone against all odds wink wink nudge nudge faceman.

yeah cuz Tode will fuck your shit up rargh

/flex

edit: fuck it I was waiting to see if Rolled would claw his way back onto osu to at least try to refute some of the accusations but it seems either he can't or doesn't care enough to try. vote: Rolled

you got a point there...and since you clear my name...
VOTE Rolled

Are we going to finally lynch a wolf this game, then?

Also, I haven't heard from the priest or coroner, so I guess it's safe to assume that the priest really doesn't want me to know them and the coroner was dxs.

oh right I should vote.
Obviously, voting for Rolled

tbqh, I'm still not convinced that Two is our psychic.

Derekku Chan wrote:

tbqh, I'm still not convinced that Two is our psychic.

B-but he said I was town!

adam2046 wrote:

0_o was the one who said it.

I thought it was said in a private chat with pieguy, sorry.

adam2046 wrote:

You also seem pretty certain that Dex is the coroner.

I have no reason to doubt what either 0_o or DxS says.

DiamondCrash wrote:

Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.

Shit hasn't happened. Vote: Rolled.

Again, I don't believe that Two is the psychic. I know I'm going off on a limb here, but suppose for a moment that Two is a wolf/vampire.

*Wolves kill one of their own (Two) on night 1 (something that hasn't been done before, but is VERY possible and getting more and more likely every game)
*Two claims psychic and magically confirms multiple people (i.e., his wolf buddies)
*Priest believes that Two is pro-town and revives him to get more names
*Two leads everyone off a cliff by making them vote for whoever he wants them to. (Yes, Two is sometimes like this, but I think that this is getting a bit out of hand)
*Even if Two gets killed again on night 3, that still wouldn't prove that he's pro-town since the wolves would be getting their kills from Two's hit list.

If this is really true, then think how easily the wolves will win. I believed for a while that Two was the psychic, but getting everyone to vote under his command, trying to coax me via PM with a list of confirmed humans, etc. is really making me believe otherwise.

I'd vote for Two right now, but since he should be getting NK'd tonight, our lynch vote would be better on someone else. (i.e., scum)

I have also considered the possibility that Two is a vampire, but here's the thing: nobody has counterclaimed Psychic. Two is probably the most trusted player in the game right now - if he's not the Psychic then the real one certainly would have spoke up by now.

0_o wrote:

if he's not the Psychic then the real one certainly would have spoke up by now.

Possible, or there could be no psychic at all (though that's unlikely in a big game like this). Also, what if there are two psychics? (I can't remember if A<3 said if that was possible or not though)

Again, this is just all speculation, and the main reason I'm bringing it up is due to Two's near-scummy way of getting people to vote.

Your plan/idea is flawed, Derekku.

For one:

Derekku Chan wrote:

*Two claims psychic and magically confirms multiple people (i.e., his wolf buddies)

I'm not a wolf, nor a vampire.

Two:

Derekku Chan wrote:

I'd vote for Two right now, but since he should be getting NK'd tonight, our lynch vote would be better on someone else. (i.e., scum)

If you think he isn't Psychic, why would you assume he's going to be NK'd? You know that's WIFOM.

You also imply in that statement that Two is not scum, even though most of the rest of your post is trying to support the idea that Two is perhaps scum. Freudian slip which I'll follow with a vote.

Vote: Derekku Chan

Well, after reading what Two said, I guess I got no other choice bu to Vote:Rolled

strager wrote:

If you think he isn't Psychic, why would you assume he's going to be NK'd? You know that's WIFOM.

Option 1: Wolves kill Two because he's the "psychic" (Still doesn't tell if he really is or if the wolves are just making it look like he's not)
Option 2: Wolves don't kill Two (just brings up confusion so I don't see this as a likely option)
Exactly as you said, strager. It's just WIFOM. Again, I'm just speculating.

strager wrote:

You also imply in that statement that Two is not scum, even though most of the rest of your post is trying to support the idea that Two is perhaps scum.

As for my "let's vote for scum" comment, I meant try to find another scummy person until we have more thoughts on Two (and something from Rolled, since everyone is all "kill now, ask questions later").

Derek darling, let's continue the logic if Two would indeed be a Vampire. Two goes ahead and clears multiple people that are also vampires. That makes 5 by now: Two, whoatefred, strager, me, and Chris. For the sake of being consistent I'm assuming there are eight in total. At the end of day one, whoatefred got lnched. That means there are seven wolves left in the game. Come Night one, the wolves off their own member, Two. And then there were six. On Day Two, DxS more or less claims coroner and more or less says Two was Psychic and whoatefred was human. This goes against the theory, so DxS must also be a wolf. we have six known wolves, three of them dead right now. That leaves 5. Then Night Two, Two gets revived by the Priest, bringing the wolf count back to six. Do you think the wolves would kill Two tonight, again reducing their own numbers and killing off their most valuably positioned player? And then I didn't even mention the fact that, if the actual psychic (if any) would investigate ANY OF THIS LIST AT ALL, or if the actual coroner got info on Two, whoatefred and DxS and sees they are ALL WOLVES, the entire list Two pointed out as being human becomes a list of known wolves, thereby revealing 6 out of my pictured 8 wolves. Wouldn't that be a silly move?
If you stilll believe Two is indeed a wolf, and think the loss of potentially the only role left that can deduce other people's role, then go ahead and vote for him, since your reasoning he will get NK'ed is terribly flawed.

actually I said matthewtck not whoatefred

well whoatefred was in your confirmed humans list you sent to all of your confirmed humans.

yes he definitely was a human but matthewtck is more concrete imo

Wait, if you added matthew in there that makes for seven out of eight known wolves if you are one. And with Rolled acting all weird and the pile of arguments against him he would then most likely be nr 8. That means all you have to do is lynch all of that list during the day and town wins.

yes but we are getting a little offtopic

unvote, vote Rolled

Just pointing out the flaws in Derek's reasoning~

Wojjan, I don't think that he'd confirm the entire list of wolves, since that would be too obvious/suspicious/whatever.

I realize that there are flaws in my "reasoning", but I only posted that line of thought to get people to fucking think instead of just following every word that Two says. The majority of players have voted for Rolled now, and I'd say that many haven't even thought twice about their vote. THAT is the problem here.

Wojjan wrote:

Just pointing out the flaws in Derek's reasoning~

You're not supposed to point out flaws by creating flawed counter-arguments.

Who the hell says a wolf has to try to clear all of his wolf buddies? While I am a Civilian as Two said, he can still be a vampire making a lucky (well, with probability in his favour) guess.

Wait; Derekku just said that. Damnit. =[

Derekku, having one solid arguments/counter-argument is much better than having a list of flawed arguments. Thanks.

Vote: Wojjan

It's pretty unfair to vote for Rolled since he hasn't even had a chance to give his rebuttal. I'm sticking with my vote on Wojjan until Rolled says something.

Though Rolled could be faking this whole scenario, I just want to hear it straight from his mouth.

Vote: Everyone. For Mario's reasoning.

Wojjan wrote:

Vote: Everyone. For Mario's reasoning.

inorite

MarioBros777 wrote:

Vote: Wojjan

It's pretty unfair to vote for Rolled since he hasn't even had a chance to give his rebuttal. I'm sticking with my vote on Wojjan until Rolled says something.

Though Rolled could be faking this whole scenario, I just want to hear it straight from his mouth.

Why are you voting for one of the few people who are all but confirmed human, especially when Wojjan isn't the only person who voted for Rolled?

Chris wrote:

MarioBros777 wrote:

Vote: Wojjan

It's pretty unfair to vote for Rolled since he hasn't even had a chance to give his rebuttal. I'm sticking with my vote on Wojjan until Rolled says something.

Though Rolled could be faking this whole scenario, I just want to hear it straight from his mouth.

Why are you voting for one of the few people who are all but confirmed human, especially when Wojjan isn't the only person who voted for Rolled?

Because they're wolf buddies and MB777 is trying to distance himself.

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Okay.

First and foremost, given my circumstances, I haven't acted out of nature at all in this game. Typing this post alone will probably take me 30 minutes (i have no USB keyboard) Obviously this is extremely inconvenient, and to be frank, I dont hold an important role in this game thus it has not been my top priority to remain a big part. Most of you know how I play this game, and limiting my activity to just the forums cripples me greatly. Not to mention i log out every time I refresh a page, and don't even have the ability to use the most basic functions such as quoting. I haven't even spoken to anybody in this game since it has started, really. Anybody who is justifying their vote towards me with "Rolled is acting strange" is a cop out. MY circumstance is well-known, and I had considered finding my own replacement on D1 but Ace wasn't for it.

Character limit. This post is just defending myself, I will post assumptions in next post.

As far as Two's claims of me having the most gain from him dying d1, while perhaps this may be true, it is completely absurd to conclude that him dying n1 makes me a wolf. In fact, him dying n1 should mean the exact opposite because I would not be so foolish to do something like that. I know you've seen the wolf forums from last game, why would I repeat the same strategy that I know you are well aware of? Think outside the box.

Just because Two is making these accusations doesn't make me suspicious of him at all, he's just terribly misguided. Chris too, for that matter. I request our old pregame MSN log to be posted just so you can see how ridiculous it was.

One more post coming. Going to attempt to quote Two

Okay cant quote. Bit by bit.

"Let's start with our 3 way msn conversation (Chris, Rolled, me). Rolled proposed that, to stop the random votes/get people to talk (I forget which if it's not both), the three of us all vote for someone within 1 second of each other. Chris said okay, but only if he got to pick who. Chris chose whoatefred, I forget what his reason was but we didn't argue and all voted for him." Reason? There was no reason because it was the vote was for nothing more than to stop people's RV shenanigans. It served it's purpose for the most part.

"1. If Chris named a wolf, I believe he would either have given a bs reason to not vote for them or he would have changed his vote before the end of day 1, despite his computer problems (as they were easily circumvented via ps3)." This is stupid. So he turned out to be human. I had no idea of this until anybody else did. The vote was nothing more than a RV, and I agreed to vote for whoever Chris wanted before he even gave a name.

Char limit yet again. As you can see, it is a pain and a half to even partake in this game with my current conditions and I've already lost interest. I hope my point got across well enough.

Now back to the matter at hand, I am of no use in this game atm, but I still assure you all I am human. At this point in time, however, I believe the best way to handle this would be for all of you to see for yourself via the coroner that I am nothing more than a vanilla civ. On d4, let it be known that I cast FOS on all bandwagonners to Two and Chris.

Vote: Rolled

Best of luck.

Oh, and thanks a fucking lot you made me miss RJ Berger.

okay. status is updated, and it took long enough considering all the copypasta'ing i hadda do. -that and apparently my enter key has died now too, meaning i hafta copypasta linebreaks, also-. nonetheless, as you can see, i remain dedicated to this werewolf game even though a sizable chunk of my keyboard no longer works -though, if my ctrl key breaks, i will be in major trouble-, and have taken the time to update the status post with all necessary capital letters and stuffiz. i highly doubt i really need to post the current vote tally, cuz we all know where it's headed, but here you go anyway.

Vote Tally
* Rolled (9 Votes: Two, pieguy1372, Todesengal, matthewtck, Wojjan, DiamondCrash, Chris, Oyashiro Beatrice, Rolled)
* Wojjan (1 Vote: MarioBros777)
* Derekku Chan (1 Vote: strager)
* Todesengal (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])
* MarioBros777 (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])
* pieguy1372 (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])

by the way, two, as far as i recall, your first vote on d3 was for rolled in the first place, so i didn't count it as a change.

i will be around tomorrow for the lynching, and it will happen on time regardless of my keyboard issues. i don't care if i hafta start typing the post an hour early and add the name at the last minute -and if it must, it will be in all lowercase-. i get paid friday and a usb keyboard is on my list of mandatory expenditures, but until then, i must deal with my myriad keyboard problems. hopefully i can borrow one from a friend for the next few days; i've been asking around.

i guess that's about it.

Well, looks like it's over for d3.

Vote : Rolled, better than a PV.

Even though I agree with most of what Rolled said, it doesn't seem to really matter anymore, so because I don't know who else to vote for I'll just Vote: Rolled as well.

I don't see why you need a USB keyboard, Ace of Heats.

orz

Vote: Rolled

Well, since Rolled gave up I may as well tell you all that I scanned Rolled night 2 and he came up as a vampire. Your posts were cute, though, Rolled ^_^

Also, the insomniac informed me night 2 that Wojjan and Zerostarry are vampires.

Andd the seer informed me that there are 7 wolves total, so just 4 to go. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out, looking back on their vote history.

It's also worth mentioning that I basically said "tell me your role or I'm going to waste my scan on you" to about 5 different people. The only person who outright refused to do so was adam.

Guess we know who to lynch, huh? ^_^

Owned.

You're fourth, Chris.

Nothing can fool Two's women's intuition.

Two wrote:

Well, since Rolled gave up I may as well tell you all that I scanned Rolled night 2 and he came up as a vampire. Your posts were cute, though, Rolled ^_^

Also, the insomniac informed me night 2 that Wojjan and Zerostarry are vampires.

Andd the seer informed me that there are 7 wolves total, so just 4 to go. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out, looking back on their vote history.

It's also worth mentioning that I basically said "tell me your role or I'm going to waste my scan on you" to about 5 different people. The only person who outright refused to do so was adam.

Vote Rolled.

(I didn't know that the psychic can scan the same night (s)he was revived)

Rolled wrote:

Vote: Rolled

:(
Vote: Rolled

Bah, this sucks.
Vote: Rolled

status is updated, and it makes me slightly happier to say my enter key is apparently only about half-broken. it evidently picks and chooses when it feels like working, right now being one of the times it felt like operating -thankfully-.

stats as follows.

Vote Tally
* Rolled (14 Votes: Two, pieguy1372, Todesengal, matthewtck, Wojjan, DiamondCrash, Chris, Oyashiro Beatrice, Rolled, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, Derekku Chan, thepianist, adam2046)
* Wojjan (1 Vote: MarioBros777)
* Derekku Chan (1 Vote: strager)
* Todesengal (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])
* MarioBros777 (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])
* pieguy1372 (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])

also, i added tatsuo's vote just now on the status post. not gonna bother updating this post with it, as it was yet another vote for rolled.

adam2046 wrote:

Rolled wrote:

Vote: Rolled

Vote: Rolled

Why are you sad a wolf is about to get lynched?

Unvote

Vote: Two

fgt

Rolled wrote:

Unvote

Vote: Two

fgt

ROFL

Hurry up and get your computer fixed.

I called you out being a wolf first, you should vote for me.

okay guys, pencils down. new phasepost will be up soon, then the status will get updated, then i'll stick the votelog in there for the records. i have pvs to hand out for sure today.

Dusk

apparently wanting to get it over with, Rolled willingly walked right up to the noose and helped everyone else secure it around his neck. the floor was then dropped out from under him, as it was for the two before him, and he hanged until dead.

barring any last words he may have, Rolled is now dead and is out of the game.

Night 3

During This Phase: night pms in my pmbox. you know who you are.

Deadline: 8:00 PM EST on thursday, july 15th, which gives necessary people 2 days to get in touch with me.

also, here's the Day 3 votelog.

Day 3 Vote Log wrote:

Vote Tally
* Rolled (14 Votes: Two, pieguy1372, Todesengal, matthewtck, Wojjan, DiamondCrash, Chris, Oyashiro Beatrice, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, Derekku Chan, thepianist, adam2046, I_Tatsuo_I)
* Two (1 Vote: Rolled)
* Wojjan (1 Vote: MarioBros777)
* Derekku Chan (1 Vote: strager)
* Todesengal (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])
* MarioBros777 (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])
* pieguy1372 (1 Vote: [Phantom Vote])

Vote Log
* Two voted against Rolled.
* pieguy1372 voted against Rolled.
* Todesengal voted against Rolled.
* matthewtck voted against Rolled.
* Wojjan voted against Rolled.
* DiamondCrash voted against Rolled.
* Chris voted against Rolled.
* strager voted against Derekku Chan.
* Oyashiro Beatrice voted against Rolled.
* MarioBros777 voted against Wojjan.
* Rolled voted against himself.
* DJ KRZY voted against Rolled.
* nardi11011 voted against Rolled.
* Derekku Chan voted against Rolled.
* thepianist voted against Rolled.
* adam2046 voted against Rolled.
* I_Tatsuo_I voted against Rolled.
- Rolled changed his vote to Two.

x LadySuburu failed to vote.
x DJblackthorne failed to vote.
x 0_o failed to vote.
x dkun failed to vote.
x Zerostarry failed to vote.