Euny wrote:

lets do m4m♥

• General

1. set combo colors for your map. Done!
2. your mp3 has bitrate 277kbps. you should change that under 192kbps the bitrate. Asked someone to do it, waiting for a reply.
3. disable to letterbox during breaks. cause there is no break time in your map. V
   

• Beginning

1. i know your map really have many timing change point buti think, you should straighten out new combo for your map. takes 1measure Uhm I'll go over the NC and hitsounds properly soon..
2. 00:06:870 (6,7) - isnt bit far? i think its harsh to tapping to (7) combo. It flows quite good, just requires proper movement.
3. 00:41:670 (3) - remove finish at this back. that sound bit awkward. cause there is no sound from music. Removed and replaced with whistles, there is actually ringing sounds there.
4. 00:45:720 (3,4,5) - objects are feels too far. how about this placing? Made something similar, your pattern is nice but it is too easy and doesn't fit the diff, but I used your idea to make something else!
   
   SPOILER

   
5. 00:51:420 (3) - i think, you can avoid overlap with 00:51:120 (2) - this. and makes more better shape try it
   
   SPOILER

   
6. 01:00:870 (2) - why you used normal sampleset? i think just auto is better for music. I dunno, I thought it was fine, changed to auto until I'll go all over the hitsounds (TOO LAZY)
7. 01:04:620 (1,3) - swap nc
8. 01:07:620 (3) - finish should be better for this head. and add nc
9. 01:08:220 (6) - add finish for this head too.
10. 01:09:420 (1,3) - swap these nc.
11. 01:10:920 (1) - this slider bit close to side screen. Well, as long as it doesn't touch it in any resolution it is fine then.
12. 02:14:520 (2) - i heard piano sound from here. hope you add note for here for music. thats better for tempo. The note is not a significant one so I just used the slider reverse.
    
13. 03:05:220 (8,1) - swap these nc.
14. 03:24:420 (6) - add nc cause there is sv changing.
15. 03:57:720 (3) - feels too far. i think its not good for music. lets less that jump how about move it on near by 38l154? Changed spacings a bit.
16. 04:40:020 (4) - add nc for sv changing.
17. 04:40:920 (6) - ^
18. 04:46:020 (5) - ^
19. 04:47:220 (4) - ^

that's it
hope this is helpful...

-Kanzaki wrote:

Hello!

I found your BPM is HALF and you used high SV because of it. 03:26:665 - 03:29:820 around this seconds the bpm feels like changing but i might be wrong about it please ask someone good with timing. This part simply has an other instrument that plays on a different offset (which is 1/16 tick earlier)

There are no tags, consider adding some. (Album name is FLOWER, you can use this.) You are right, totally forgot about those.

Audio bitrate cannot be more than 192 kbps so here you go 192 kbps version i converted for you : http://www21.online-convert.com/downloa ... 7a178c.mp3 Thank you, but I am not sure online convertors are the best, I asked a friend to convert it in the best quality possible.

03:28:957 (5) - Unsnapped circle. Look at my note earlier.

04:59:720 (6) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).

Unsnapped inherited (green) sections at: 02:49:045 - snap to 02:49:020 - These are not important because they are not kiai times. Oops, this one is unnecessary, deleted.

^ Ignore those if you made them on purpose. ^

00:08:520 (4) - It should be at 00:08:445 i think. Actually it should be snapped on a 1/12 tick, it doesn't play well so I ignored it.

00:04:470 (2) - this normal hitsound doesn't sound good. Yeah.. Changed.

00:09:420 (1) - Make it like this so i can see the difference between the previous one. but that's the pattern, the NC indicates a certain difference, which is the SV.

00:15:270 (2) - I don't understand why you used this circle instead of a slider -- http://puu.sh/iSPk9/397a2f0965.jpg Because there are 2 ringing sounds there.

00:38:520 (1,1,1) - what is this NC's about? SV changes.

00:40:320 (1) - Don't stack this one it seems like 2 stream I don't think it is readable as a stream, the AR helps it and it's just finebut acctualy try this : 00:40:620 (3,4) - Ctrl+G and this It is better now with good flow. The previous flow was good as well but you made me tweak the pattern a bit by using CTRL+G on 5

00:46:245 (5) - There is acctualy nothing to follow. It kinda supports the vocals, and it plays well.

00:51:795 (5) - Use longer slider with a little bit low SV adn follow the vocal pls. I don't think slow SV fits here that well.

00:55:320 (2,4) - Try to not overlap that 4 is ultra hidden. I think it is clearly visible while playing, might be a bit hard to see in the editor.

01:07:470 (2) - Not an good overlap. I suggest you to delete it and 01:07:470 (1,2,3) - make an triplet like others. Hm.. I thought a bit and changed it to a triplet.

01:09:120 (8) - NC V

02:43:245 (1,2) - I dont really understand. Vocal and beat, it seems fine.

02:53:220 (1,1,2,3) - No stack if possible since 02:53:220 (1,1) - are has 2 ticks between them. I added a note instead, it felt awkward beforethen.

Generally i found this map so overmapped, think about your triplets and doublets(i dont know what it called i gave one example on the mod 2 circle stream) one more time and you need an far-reaching hitsound mod.

1. 00:08:820 (1) - and 00:09:420 (1) - why did you change the sample set? imo the soft still fits better here
2. 00:08:820 (1,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this should be the same combo
3. 00:16:620 (1,2) - no need for NC here, and for the rest of the diff I think you should take a look at a lot of NC's, because a lot of them don't need to be so small
4. 00:17:220 (1) - you could start this slider with a triple
5. 00:20:975 - note missing (this point might be unsnaped because I'm using a mousepad lol)
6. 00:22:020 (1,2,3,4,5) - you're following the vocals ok, but you could also map the drums a bit, there's a triple not mapped, which makes this part feel undermapped (maybe I'm just paranoid and like to see everything mapped)
7. 00:23:820 (3) - important, I really don't think this is allowed, you should at least make the curves visible, else I think it falls under the Slider Velocity manipulation thing
8. 00:28:478 - note missing
9. 00:29:670 (2,1,1) - try to differenciate the timing difference a bit more (spacing wise)
10. 00:35:220 (1,1) - this overlap can be avoided, try to change the second sliders shape / rotation a bit
11. 00:38:520 (1,1,1) - all these NC's aren't really needed
12. 00:43:770 (2,3) - make them parallel
13. 00:45:420 (2) - I think reversing the curvature of this slider would improve flow
14. 00:55:620 (3,4,5) - the sudden decrease in spacing ruins flow, the stack would be okay with higher spacing, but I think it should be avoided here
15. 01:10:920 (1) - ctrl+g?
16. 01:16:170 (4,1,2) - overkill jump, I would at least move the double a bit up, to about y:276
17. 01:19:320 (2,1) - this blanket can be slightly improved
18. 01:35:970 (1) - no need for NC
19. 01:36:420 (4,1) - spacing should be increased / reduced, to highlight the timing change
20. 02:04:320 (4) - add whistle on slider start?
21. 02:20:220 (1) - NC hell begins x.x
22. 02:24:420 (2) - why is the finish not audible here?
23. 02:28:620 (3) - important, same reason as the above slider
24. 02:29:820 (1,2) - you could blanket this by rotating 1 and moving 2 a bit (circular sliders ask for blankets ; ; )
25. 02:46:920 (4,1) - maybe you could curve 1 a bit more while keeping the blanket
26. 02:47:070 (5,6,1,2) - move the whole thing a bit to the left
27. 02:53:670 (1) - this new combo is soooo confusing, this one must really be removed
28. 03:09:720 (6,7) - a bit overkill, try to move it a bit down and to the left maybe
29. 03:26:070 (3,4,1,2) - imo these notes should have the same spacing, because the spacing between 03:25:620 (2,3) - is actually shorter than between 03:26:220 (4,1) - which makes the pattern really confusing
30. 03:29:220 (1) - no need for NC
31. 03:46:770 (3,4,5) - jump is too small for the break, try to move 3 and 4 around
32. 03:58:020 (1) - overkill slowdown, would be better to have the same speed as 03:55:620 (1) - since the song is the same in both parts
33. 04:28:920 (7,8,9,10,1) - this stream feels a bit bland, maybe you could give it a shape?
34. 04:31:620 (1,1) - imo a slowdown would be welcome here, the sliders get really hard to follow in between al these huge jumps (with that speed)
35. 04:33:720 (5,6) - NC on each note for the sudden timing change (wow I'm asking for NC's xd)
36. 04:34:020 (6) - if you slowed the above sliders, do the same on this one
37. I currently only have my laptop to play and mod so I might have missed some things >.< sorry I couldn't help much with hitsounds but so far they seem perfect really, if you do the same for the rest of the map it should be ok

- Milhofo - wrote:

Hi, from your queue ^^

[Beginning]

1. 00:08:820 (1) - and 00:09:420 (1) - why did you change the sample set? imo the soft still fits better here Experimenting with hitsounds, changed to auto.
2. 00:08:820 (1,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this should be the same combo SV changes should be indicated by NC, but the pattern doesn't really sak for it, changed.
3. 00:16:620 (1,2) - no need for NC here, and for the rest of the diff I think you should take a look at a lot of NC's, because a lot of them don't need to be so small That's a pretty significant SV change, I'll leave the NC as it is.
4. 00:17:220 (1) - you could start this slider with a triple Although it is overmapped, I like it a lot, it fits nicely with the strong note on the slider.
5. 00:20:975 - note missing (this point might be unsnaped because I'm using a mousepad lol) It is on purpose, I wanted a small break, but on second thought a reversed 1/8 slider would fit here nicely, changed pattern a bit.
6. 00:22:020 (1,2,3,4,5) - you're following the vocals ok, but you could also map the drums a bit, there's a triple not mapped, which makes this part feel undermapped (maybe I'm just paranoid and like to see everything mapped) Yeah you are a paranoid lol, I ignored them on purpose.
7. 00:23:820 (3) - important, I really don't think this is allowed, you should at least make the curves visible, else I think it falls under the Slider Velocity manipulation thing I'll change it in-case it is confirmed unrankable, I am pretty sure the ranking criteria is outdated.
8. 00:28:478 - note missing On purpose.
9. 00:29:670 (2,1,1) - try to differenciate the timing difference a bit more (spacing wise) It kinda is, although a bit anti-intuitive, small DS means 1/8 when a stack means 1/4, but the NCs should help a bit, this is a reading pattern.
10. 00:35:220 (1,1) - this overlap can be avoided, try to change the second sliders shape / rotation a bit It's on purpose.
11. 00:38:520 (1,1,1) - all these NC's aren't really needed They are fine imo, SV change indicators.
12. 00:43:770 (2,3) - make them parallel Fixed.
13. 00:45:420 (2) - I think reversing the curvature of this slider would improve flow It is pretty insignificant imo, I like the current one.
14. 00:55:620 (3,4,5) - the sudden decrease in spacing ruins flow, the stack would be okay with higher spacing, but I think it should be avoided here Changed pattern to something much nicer.
15. 01:10:920 (1) - ctrl+g? Insignificant change, but changed either way.
16. 01:16:170 (4,1,2) - overkill jump, I would at least move the double a bit up, to about y:276 Changed pattern to fit the music better, with spacings too.
17. 01:19:320 (2,1) - this blanket can be slightly improved I know, however if I blanket it perfectly it will ruin the slider shape in my opinion.
18. 01:35:970 (1) - no need for NC Woops, removed both.
19. 01:36:420 (4,1) - spacing should be increased / reduced, to highlight the timing change Changed.
20. 02:04:320 (4) - add whistle on slider start? V
21. 02:20:220 (1) - NC hell begins x.x
22. 02:24:420 (2) - why is the finish not audible here? It is? for me at least.
23. 02:28:620 (3) - important, same reason as the above slider Same for me
24. 02:29:820 (1,2) - you could blanket this by rotating 1 and moving 2 a bit (circular sliders ask for blankets ; ; )
25. 02:46:920 (4,1) - maybe you could curve 1 a bit more while keeping the blanket But why? 1 is looking pretty nice.
26. 02:47:070 (5,6,1,2) - move the whole thing a bit to the left Repositioned, good stuff.
27. 02:53:670 (1) - this new combo is soooo confusing, this one must really be removed V
28. 03:09:720 (6,7) - a bit overkill, try to move it a bit down and to the left maybe Redone.
29. 03:26:070 (3,4,1,2) - imo these notes should have the same spacing, because the spacing between 03:25:620 (2,3) - is actually shorter than between 03:26:220 (4,1) - which makes the pattern really confusing 1 is a kinda stronger note and there's NC indication, I think it's cool.
30. 03:29:220 (1) - no need for NC V
31. 03:46:770 (3,4,5) - jump is too small for the break, try to move 3 and 4 around Changed.
32. 03:58:020 (1) - overkill slowdown, would be better to have the same speed as 03:55:620 (1) - since the song is the same in both parts But the build up is not the same
33. 04:28:920 (7,8,9,10,1) - this stream feels a bit bland, maybe you could give it a shape? Sure.
34. 04:31:620 (1,1) - imo a slowdown would be welcome here, the sliders get really hard to follow in between al these huge jumps (with that speed) Slowed down the first one, similar to previous pattern.
35. 04:33:720 (5,6) - NC on each note for the sudden timing change (wow I'm asking for NC's xd) Added NC on 4 instead of 5, feels better pattern-wise.
36. 04:34:020 (6) - if you slowed the above sliders, do the same on this one Won't fit
37. I currently only have my laptop to play and mod so I might have missed some things >.< sorry I couldn't help much with hitsounds but so far they seem perfect really, if you do the same for the rest of the map it should be ok Really? Great, now motivate myself to finish it faster than a snail.

I think the new combos should be looked at, rest if fine and it's a really fun map, good luck

HappyRocket88 wrote:

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Hi! Returning your favor of the M4M. Sorry for the late. >< I had some liabilities. I'm pretty sorry but I can't provide you a big mod because I don't know how to mod extras. Since the jumps are too high for me and I would suggest to reduce the DS a bit in these jumps 03:37:683 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) , 01:32:883 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3) and Well the map is intended for more experienced players, no worries

General

1. I don't know if this is even a problem but the filesize exceeds the 10mb in the mapset. Good quality mp3 and hitsound files.
2. 04:59:783 (6) This slider's repeat is unsnapped. Snapped on 1/12

Beginning

1. 00:04:083 (1) I don't know but this slider shape is weird and makes an ugly overlap with these objects 00:04:533 (2,1) I'd suggest you to change the shape for something that makes the pattern cleaner. I think that's fine
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 00:53:883 (1,3) Separate them a bit to avoid overlap. Neat.
3. 02:45:783 (6) Not sure, but you can stack them to make a neater flow. The pattern is supposed to brake the player after the huge jump but still not completely.
4. 03:27:183 (6) NC here for consistency. V
5. 04:02:883 (5) NC ^ V
6. 03:22:533 (6) Set this circle here x=64 | y=112 to make it parallel with 03:21:933 (2). V
7. 01:52:983 (3) ^ x=97 | y=196 The star is not completely symmetrical in both sides of the screen, it is a bit rotated, currnet pattern is fine.
8. 01:57:783 (1,2) Maybe they can be in the centre a bit more to clean the flow. Changed a bit!

Overall the map is pretty neat, blanket and is worth to be an extra. Pitifully, I can't pass this map. ;__;

Have a star then for my incompetence ◕‿◕

Thank you very much!

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VINXIS wrote:

ithinkitneedsworktbh

Map

1. buxw tags xd
   
2. hihi ur sv spams at the beginning are really random n rlly messy and it can fuk som players up at parts such as at 00:08:883 (1,2) - where theres litearlly no indication for the player wotsoever that the sv is goign to chnage tHAT DRAMTICALLY. can u clean up some of the sv changes adns tuff pls kthx OK
3. 00:04:833 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ugly because that overlap is so bad cuz usually almosto all things that r barely touching or r touching only a little bit r usually ugly as fuk lmfao. I think we can agree that if u actualyl used a star shape for it it'd look better ya FIXED
4. 00:06:183 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - gud spacing emphasis but ur design looks ugly mostly because of 00:06:483 (3,4,5) - how it's almost completely horizontal-like after u make a diagonal jump from 2 it just looks ugly and inconsistent. CHANGED
5. 00:07:383 (7) - why REMOVED
6. 00:07:683 (1,2,3) - random jumps with no justification from the song's emphasis or smth lik that CHANGED
7. 00:11:283 (1,2,3) - cud u possible have this away from ur combo before this it just makes it look cluttered this way NAH IT IS JUST FINE IN GAME, EDITOR MAKES IT MESSY
8. 00:13:683 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - yo can u do mor of this plz kthx I didn't realise this is good.
9. 00:18:933 (2,1) - y is the spacing not greater than 00:19:083 (1,2) - when the strong beat is o n 1 'Cuz I lowered the SV, might change patterns.
10. 00:19:533 (2,1) - ^
11. 00:21:183 (1,2,3,4,5) - the random spacing stuff THIS AINT RANDOM, I increased it whenever there was a strong beat.
12. 00:23:883 (3) - confirmed unrankable slider and its dum anyway cuz sliderend on strong beat when the sliderhead was weaker so like instead of that can u like make a slider going away from the next 1 and make a circle on the big white tick or smth cuz p sure that's 100% better trustmeplz 100% TRUST
13. 00:28:083 (1,2,3) - this right after 00:27:333 (1,2,3) - ???????????????????????????????? I DONT UNDERSTAND??
14. realy throughout the map the problem is that your design is really messy and there's little to no s t r u c t u r e.. U see it at parts like 00:13:683 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - cuz it actually looks like everything comes together in nicely and its not too cluttered or not too randomly placed and the spacing is emphasized very nicely where it should be. U dont do that kinda stuff ever again in ur map and it's just ajhsdjhasfjka and it's ltierally the main problem that wont make this map rankable. Really I could go on on every single problem and detail and tell u wot to do but like even in the first 30 mins i said all taht and sdfjkdaskl idk it's ur choice whether to listen to me or not but this is like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz i can do more if u want in the weekend or smth but rn eh I map whatever feels right, I didn't use the same pattern because I didn't see the right call for it, but I will go over stuff again and remap what's needed.
15. i skipped stuff cuz same problems over and over e.t.c.
16. 00:50:883 (1,2,3,4,5) - wot evn y do u do this rhythm at all its like wh and sounds wh VOCALS ARE GOOD?
17. 00:52:383 (2,3) - u never map it like this ever y did u cuz vocals good
18. refrain from using diagonal sliders as much or competely vertical/horizontal sliders cuz tbh sliders with slight angles to them make the map look s o m u c h b e t t e r ok
19. tbh it looks like u have many different ideas that just dont flo together. Stick with 1 idea and then think of smth that f i t s with the part after it so its not like aeghsdjkfasjkjkdg all the time where ur just playing another airman u kno (except nowhere near as bad dw) ill try ty

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

loopuleasa wrote:

I love the latest updates to this map, and I hope you go for ranked since it's a really nice guilty pleasure marathon to play.

ohad1881 wrote:

00:31:383 (3,1) - stack better V
00:42:183 (4,1) - stack the end of 1 with it? Nah..
01:00:033 (1) - delete? Actually I removed the note in mid triplet instead and changed the pattern.
01:03:783 (6) - nc? V
01:09:933 (4,1) - better stack V
01:23:883 (1,1) - ^^ V
02:13:983 (1) - reverse this slider? Nah, it's good now.
02:28:683 (3) - imo if you attach the two red anchors the slider will look better Done and made some slight movements.
02:33:483 (3,4) - better stack V
02:55:383 (3) - either blanket with 02:54:783 (5) or stack the end with 02:55:233 (2) Why not both?
03:43:983 - mb like this? http://prntscr.com/8lwhjq 6 should be emphasized more imo. I like it.
03:44:583 (7,4) - better stack V
04:34:683 (2) - ctrl g? Nah.
gl!

FCL wrote:

M4M

• [diff]

1. 00:31:683 (1,2) - imo, this looks is very ugly I agree, changed.
2. 00:38:133 (4,1) - stack end? No, why?
3. 00:42:183 (4,1) - ^ ^
4. 00:45:483 (2,3) - make these sliders one form, so this look better Changed whole pattern shapes a bit to resemble each other.
5. 01:27:783 (2,3,4,5,1) - idk why is there a large spacings, this does not predispose Momentum that builds up.
6. 01:53:283 (1) - it is very unexpected, I do not think it's good I'll keep it anyway.
7. 02:08:883 (1) - it's looks weird Fine by me.
8. 02:19:083 (3,4) - imo, overlap there it's not a good idea. I suggest increase the distance between them You can't even see it while in game, the editor just increases the AR, it's fine.
9. 02:40:083 (1,2,3) - Why not, it's more logical? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3784290 Because the vocal rhythm changes and it goes nicely into the next slider this way.
10. 02:53:733 (2,3,1) - make more spacing, it seems like it 1/8 Alright, changed.
11. 03:56:883 (1,2,3,4) - it's looks weird, Make a more pointed jump V
12. I also would like to draw attention to neatness. I think that in this map a lot of unnecessary overlaps and unstacks that need to be corrected I see where you come from, but I don't feel like it actually matters, I care about the gameplay rather than the astethics in the editor, if I'll fine something when I go by everything, sure I'll fix it

GL!

Smoothie World wrote:

[General]

Unused hitsounds. Delete the following:
drum-hitfinish4.wav
soft-hitnormal3.wav
soft-sliderslide3.wav
soft-hitwhistle2.wav
soft-sliderslide2.wav
drum-hitclap1.wav
drum-hitfinish1.wav
soft-hitclap4.wav
soft-slidertick2.wav
soft-hitclap1.wav
soft-hitwhistle1.wav

Fixed those, thanks.

[Beginning]

00:10:083 (2) - New combo here to better represent the change in slider velocity.

00:24:333 (4,1) - Spacing can be increased here to better emphasize the kick on the downbeat as well as the bass sound.

00:29:733 (2,1,1) - In this patter, I feel 00:30:183 (1,1) should not be stacked, as the time gap in between is misleading due to the fact that it isn't consistent with 00:29:733 (2,1) . I'd recommend not stacking them.

00:55:083 (1,3) - These two overlap in a way that makes it kinda weird to read. Consider simply stacking the head of 3 with the end segment of 1 for more clarity and a better overall appearance.

01:53:283 (1) - The change in slider velocity is too drastic considering it's the only one of its kind in the first Kiai section. I recommend increasing it a bit; I like the concept, but it feels a bit too extreme as it is right now.

01:54:483 (4) - This angle feels very rounded compared to the other shapes of sliders in this section. I recommend "opening it up" a bit to fit better with the style of the other sliders.

02:12:183 (2,3) - I feel you can just move 3 to x:260, y:152 and continue the pattern you have going now from there. A bit of a jump would feel very nice here albeit not very big.

02:16:983 (2) - Not a fan of the slider ending on the downbeat. Consider reversing 1 and just putting a circle on the white tick where this once ended.

02:23:283 (1) - Kind of a random whistle sound here, not sure if this was intended.

02:26:733 (5,1) - Spacing should be much larger here to better emphasize the crash hit in the song.

02:38:883 (1) - Flow can be broken here instead of keeping it in the same direction as 2, 3, and 4 to better represent the downbeat. But why would it represent the downbeat better? I don't see anything wrong with the current pattern.

02:59:283 (1,2,3) - A better aesthetic look would be to have 3 the same distance from 2 visually as 1.

03:28:533 (3,4) - In this jump section, you have sharp jumps to build up some momentum but here it's totally ruined by having this low spacing and very obtuse angle. I'd recommend keeping the large spacing, sharper angle jumps you have going already to keep the player's momentum going.

04:17:883 (1) - This slider is unrankable due to the beginning overlapping way too hard on itself. This needs to not be so clumped here. Nearly unreadable.

riktoi wrote:

moddddd from my queeue

[General]
Add the album name to tags. It is added, the name is FLOWER.

The mp3 suggests that this song/artist also has a name written in moon runes, you should fix that too. Idk what moon runes are and Google doesn't help me much either lol. I do see that there's some gibberish on the details of the mp3, however I have the original mp3 from the album and the title and artist are represented correctly in the beatmap.

01:44:283 (1,2,3,4,1) - you should look into maybe lowering the spacing a bit for parts like this, they feel a bit overemphasized (think about this carefully) I feel that it represents the songs nicely, I don't think they are overemphasized, but I'll reconsider it if more people will mention this certain pattern.

[Beginning]

02:12:183 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - you could increase the spacing here (OVERLAPS WITH THE MOD ABOVE) V
02:14:883 (2,3,4,5) - ^ V


04:26:883 - this sv does not feel right (It's fine when playing tho) Last intense chorus

04:41:883 (1,2,3) - make these into a triangle shape or something But why? I like the way they are now.

I think that's all I have to note about this map.
Good luck with your map

Troponoop wrote:

Howdy there, i'm posting this for a m4m from your queue.

[Beginning]

00:03:783 (2,1) - the 3.58 DS jump feels awkward and overmapped. Uhm, slightly reduced.

00:08:283 (1,2,3) - This seems like an abrupt halt. Maybe space these out more to continue with the earlier flow you had It is an abrupt halt, but the direction change is going great with it.

00:10:083 (2) - NC for SV change V

00:13:683 (1,2) - not really sure if you need a NC here since its a tiny SV change. (i also don't see the need for a tiny SV change NC fits here and I don't like big combos. The SV changes are because I liked to play around with the beginning, and as long as it plays well, why not?

00:17:283 (1,2) - you blanketed 2 on the second half of 1, so why not use 00:16:683 (1,2) - to blanket the first half? It'd be cute as fuck Kawaii measures activated.

00:19:083 (1,1) - to me it sounds like they are following the same sound (i could easily be wrong) so why do they have such drastically different SV changes? Well, you're wrong. The first one is held and kinda softer, while the second one is not held and is stronger.

00:23:883 (3,4) - Just my preference here, but i would scrap the overlap, and just extend 00:23:883 (3) - to follow the vocals This pattern feels really awkward, eitherway the pattern was changed.

00:29:283 (1,2,1) - The vocals seem more dominant for this section, so why not focus on them? I prefer following the instruments since the vocals are mixed with it.

00:30:183 (1) - it's a bit uneven, just saying I never was good with symmentry, hopefully fixed.

00:31:683 (1,2) - you could make this a swagtastic blanket. It would look a lot cleaner I tried.

00:45:183 (1,2,3) - NC for these 3 SV changes Meh, I hate the pattern now, remapped.

00:53:883 (1,2,3,4) - as cute as this is, these jumps feel out of place because the music hasn't really changed that dramatically to foster them jumps Jumps are there because they're beat away from each other and I honestly think it goes perfectly with the vocals.

01:52:083 (4,5) - extend 4 and remove 5 to match the vocals better The current pattern follows the vocals and instruments just right, she goes "da-ha" and then "te" and not "daa" to "te" as you think.

01:53:283 (1) - this SV just clogs up the flow of the map. It feels way too funky SV increased, the previous one was prob too extreme.

02:42:033 (6,1) - you really like overlapping the sliders like this in this song, but maybe you could spruce it up a bit by stacking their slider-ends I never found consecutive sliders that their ends are stack as appealing, it really depends on the song but I don't feel like it fits here.

03:09:783 (6) - NC Changed around.

03:29:283 (7) - Maybe you could change this into a funky slow slider to fill up the dead space There's no need to, it fits just right.

03:57:483 (1,2,3,4) - an alternative to these jumps could be to making a slider and matching the vocals It is an alternative after all, I might do that in the future, but for now I'll leave it as it is.

03:58:083 (1) - and 01:53:283 (1) - should really have the same SV, since they are practically identical parts in the song It's not mandatory, so I'll leave it as it is.

03:56:583 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - and 01:51:783 (3,4,5) - should also be somewhat similar since these are also similar parts ^

04:32:883 (1,2) - make these into a single slider to match 04:31:683 (1,1) - since you are aiming for the vocals at this part This could work too, but the current pattern is just fine as well.

04:40:983 (1) - should really start where its slider-end currently is cuz red ticks are bad (and so it matches with 04:40:083 (1) - ) But it follows vocals well and again, it is no mandatory.

04:40:083 (1,1) - I don't see the big deal in these two having different SV changes Slider that starts at ringing = low SV, otherwise, higher SV.


Besides some of the wild SV changes, i really liked the map, not to mention that the song is gucci. Dropping a star for good luck!

- N a n a k a - wrote:

Yoho
i'm here by your Q

Beginning


00:29:733 (2,1) - this point can be unrankable, Its hidden head slide when i see this first time
00:35:283 (1,1) - make curve and blanket them. it will be pretty better I think the current one is fine too, there's a blanket and it's not a copy paste pattern.
00:44:883 (2) - suggest to place note like this for more flow

SPOILER

00:46:383 (2) - NC change sv
00:50:883 (1,2,3) - change slide tail to soft it will make more Compatible with the song and move whistle on this note 00:51:783 (4,5) - to on this slide 00:51:858 (5) - (slide-whistle) then make sure to remove whistle on head and tail slide

if you want code

200,176,50883,6,0,B|305:154|305:154|363:171,1,134.999996423721,8|0,1:0|2:0,0:0:0:0:
384,103,51183,2,0,P|457:84|480:24,1,134.999996423721,0|0,1:0|2:0,0:0:0:0:
405,29,51483,2,0,B|368:20|341:34|321:55|321:55|277:33,1,134.999996423721,0|0,1:0|2:0,0:0:0:0:
176,16,51783,1,0,0:0:0:0:
164,32,51858,2,2,P|167:76|150:117,1,89.9999976158143,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

01:16:533 (1) - move to 252,260 same as previous note
02:28:533 (2) - move to 160,264 more flow
02:30:783 (4) - move to 416,156 same as previous spacing I don't really understand this one? Although it doesn't matter, so I spaced it out a bit. Just noting.
03:51:783 (5) - I suggest to move this note to stack on 6 maybe better smooth jump
04:23:733 (5) - same as 00:46:383 (2) -
04:25:233 (4) - ^
04:36:633 (2,3,4) - kinda overmapped. if you want to triple, place on 04:36:483 (1) - I think it fits and goes nicely into the change of pace in the song.

also this part is hs suggestion

04:41:733 (3) - drum sampleset
04:42:783 (1) - drum on head
04:44:133 (2) - ^
04:45:183 (1) - drum sampleset
04:48:933 (6) - ^
04:46:083 (1,1) - drum on tail and on single note
04:46:983 (3) - drum on tail
04:47:883 (1,2) - ^
04:50:583 (3) - drum on head
04:51:783 (2) - drum on head and tail
04:52:083 (1,1) - same as 04:46:083 (1,1) -
04:52:983 (3) - drum on tail
04:53:283 (1,1) - same as 04:46:083 (1,1) -
04:54:183 (3) - drum on head and tail
04:54:483 (1,2,2) - drum on tail

Very cool and relax song
hope it ranked soon

Avishay wrote:

I don't really understand this one? Although it doesn't matter, so I spaced it out a bit. Just noting.

1. 00:26:583 (4,1) - fix this blanket
2. 00:27:483 (2,1) - ^
3. 00:42:783 (2) - the tail is not proper stacked
4. 00:45:183 (1) - not proper stack
5. 00:45:783 (3) - seems that you're following the vocal here. well that's good, but you need to mute the tail for that
6. 00:46:983 (3) - ^
7. 00:55:083 (1,3) - not a proper stack
8. 00:57:183 (2,1) - there. fix that blanket
9. 01:24:333 (2,1) - (1) is not proper stack, (2) and (1) needs to fix the blanket
10. 01:36:033 (7) - sounds like not even a proper stack
11. 02:52:083 (5) - not stacked properly
12. 02:59:283 (1,2) - fix this blanket
13. 03:00:183 (4) - not stacked properly
14. 04:01:983 (1) - ^
15. 04:02:733 (4,1) - fix this blanket
16. 04:17:883 (1) - not stacked properly
17. 04:52:533 (1) - how about stack with 04:50:883 (1) - head?

-Hakurei- wrote:

[Beginning]

1. 00:26:583 (4,1) - fix this blanket
2. 00:27:483 (2,1) - ^
3. 00:42:783 (2) - the tail is not proper stacked
4. 00:45:183 (1) - not proper stack
5. 00:45:783 (3) - seems that you're following the vocal here. well that's good, but you need to mute the tail for that
6. 00:46:983 (3) - ^
7. 00:55:083 (1,3) - not a proper stack
8. 00:57:183 (2,1) - there. fix that blanket
9. 01:24:333 (2,1) - (1) is not proper stack, (2) and (1) needs to fix the blanket
10. 01:36:033 (7) - sounds like not even a proper stack
11. 02:52:083 (5) - not stacked properly
12. 02:59:283 (1,2) - fix this blanket
13. 03:00:183 (4) - not stacked properly
14. 04:01:983 (1) - ^
15. 04:02:733 (4,1) - fix this blanket
16. 04:17:883 (1) - not stacked properly
17. 04:52:533 (1) - how about stack with 04:50:883 (1) - head?

well played man. this song is really good

1. 00:15:783 (3,1) - Stack them please, It fits much better
2. 00:50:583 (4,1,2,3) - Silence slider ends. PLEASE
3. 01:43:233 (5,6,7) - Consider spacing them out a bit

Ok

neonat wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3948780
I believe this can be relevant for this album, and the other older albums like Flower Drops and Summer☆Syrup if you want, personally I would like YURiCa/Hanatan but I don't know about others, like what went on in my map.

because really that HANATAN part...

and the cordelia site is no longer around

1. 00:02:733 (2) - why is this a repeat? you could accent the sound on 00:02:883 with a triplet, but instead you're emphasizing 00:02:733 which is muchhhhh weaker
2. 00:24:783 (3,4) - This jump is a bit overdone imo, in fact more emphasis should be placed on 00:24:783 (3) - anyways. 00:24:783 (3,4) - the vocals on both of these are of equal pitch, but 00:24:783 (3) has a drum hit, and the 4 is really just continuing the slur from 3, so 2>3 should be larger than 3>4
3. 00:20:883 (3) - I don't hear anything on 1/8, or at least an individual hit, pretty sure this would be better as a 1/4 slider
4. 00:24:933 (4,5) and 00:25:683 (6,1) should really have larger spacing for the "ding" sound, could just ctrl+g 00:25:383 (5,6) both of these individually
5. 00:26:583 (4) - shouldn't leave a strong sound on a repeat
6. 00:35:883 (1) - why end on a downbeat :c
7. 00:43:083 (1) - ^
8. 00:52:383 (2,3) - don't see why these are 1/4 sliders, they're just regular drum beats that you've previously mapped as circles
9. 03:58:083 (1) - slowdown is very unexpected, and it isn't a good follow up coming from the previous jump pattern which is huge

sukiNathan wrote:

+10 offset sounds much better

1. 00:02:733 (2) - why is this a repeat? you could accent the sound on 00:02:883 with a triplet, but instead you're emphasizing 00:02:733 which is muchhhhh weaker I tried, but a triplet doesn't work very well at this part, perhaps because the song just began. I think the current slider works very well, I purposely left the note afterwards to stack, it goes well.
2. 00:24:783 (3,4) - This jump is a bit overdone imo, in fact more emphasis should be placed on 00:24:783 (3) - anyways. 00:24:783 (3,4) - the vocals on both of these are of equal pitch, but 00:24:783 (3) has a drum hit, and the 4 is really just continuing the slur from 3, so 2>3 should be larger than 3>4 Why? I feel that the opposite is true, I follow mainly follow the vocals alongside the instruments, and the vocal at 3 calls for a halt, while the slider calls for some movement, and honestly it plays great.
3. 00:20:883 (3) - I don't hear anything on 1/8, or at least an individual hit, pretty sure this would be better as a 1/4 slider Yeah, it is actually not 1/8. It is an artificial rhythm, the main reasoning is because I didn't want a gap between the ringing sound to 00:21:183 (1) - , because it would have been awkward. I know I could use an 1/4 but 1/8 is creating a nice consistency with the prevsious triplet.
4. 00:24:933 (4,5) and 00:25:683 (6,1) should really have larger spacing for the "ding" sound, could just ctrl+g 00:25:383 (5,6) both of these individually Actually this goes really nicely, although this change is not mandatory and the previous pattern was just fine, I'll update it whenever I'll find a 2nd BN to bubble or when the bubble will be popped.
5. 00:26:583 (4) - shouldn't leave a strong sound on a repeat What's wrong? The slider mainly follows the vocals and there's nothing wrong with strong beat on a long slider, you're not static and the strong beat indicates reverse which is nice.
6. 00:35:883 (1) - why end on a downbeat :c Could work differently as well, but I am satisfied with the current slider, I might change it, no promises
7. 00:43:083 (1) - ^ Vocals, it plays great anyway.
8. 00:52:383 (2,3) - don't see why these are 1/4 sliders, they're just regular drum beats that you've previously mapped as circles If you listen carefully they actually follow the vocals very well lol.
9. 03:58:083 (1) - slowdown is very unexpected, and it isn't a good follow up coming from the previous jump pattern which is huge I like it, the slow down is identical to the one in the previous kiai, so it should be less unexpected here, the slider shape goes well along with the flow and the slider is not that slow as others in the map.

the issues i've pointed out appear many times, not gonna list every single timestamp (assuming you even agree with me)
imo the map is wonky and unstructured, from what I can see it's lacking a foundation spacing-wise, and by that I basically mean the jumps are inconsistent and random
another problem is that I hear huge differences between a few sections in the song, but I don't feel enough of a change in the map
even the reverse holds true, especially for the kiais! they have varying slider velocities, yet they're all nearly the same
honestly I disagree with this being bubbled, and I doubt it would pass qualification, but good luck anyways~

- N a n a k a - wrote:

I'm here for wating to ranked (* ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

1. 00:02:743 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - the angles of these jumps are so sharp and don't feel natural to play. more circular movement feels better. replace lines 290-295 in the .osu file and see how it feels, I also overlapped 00:02:743 (2,3) - in a nice way to make it more readable, and fixed the overlap on 00:03:343 (5,1) - to how its usually done.
   
   SPOILER

   382,260,2743,2,0,L|334:268,2,44.9999988079071,0|0|4,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   400,272,3043,1,0,0:0:0:0:
   304,372,3193,1,0,0:0:0:0:
   252,213,3343,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   242,231,3643,5,0,0:0:0:0:
   366,129,3793,2,0,P|396:161|412:203,1,89.9999976158143

2. 00:24:793 (3,4) - yes please listen to nathan on this one. big jump on (3) emphasizes it obviously, and you said you wanted a "halt" a.k.a. anti-jump on that vocal but they way you did it is not working out as intended. lets say u wanna emphasize a strong beat then youd just make a larger jump into that beat, but anti-jumps works the opposite way in that you wanna place it AFTER the beat you want the "halt" on. im not going to explain why its like that but it just is, same thing with your reasoning about the slider, its the movement suceeding the beat at 00:24:943 (4) - thats going to follow the vocal, not the movement preceeding it. Therefore it doesnt matter if you make a small jump or big jump for that particular reason, but since you want anti-jump on 00:24:793 (3) - then it should be small. its the same principle with stacking which is much more common
3. 00:25:393 (5,6) - and do ctrl+g these individually, or atleast on 00:25:393 (5) - because theres no pressure on it right now for such a strong beat.
4. 00:40:243 (2,1,2,3,4) - VERY sudden spacing change. Yeah the volume is building up but from 0.99x ds between 00:40:243 (2,1) - to 3.38x between 00:40:543 (2,3) - ????
5. 00:56:893 (1,2,3) - you should not reverse the direction of the flow when theres no strong beats, especially when the snares give the impression of follow-up from the strong beat at 00:56:893 (1) - . whether you actually want to reverse the flow on a strong beat is up to the mapper, it works just as well to continue the flow, see Monstrata maps.
6. 01:53:293 (1) - Very sudden indeed. If you want to do this you should atleast make the faster one on the first occasion, and the slower one on the next occasions. Because its odd to introduce the concept with the extreme and then make the following ones easier.
7. 01:57:193 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - This pattern is a bit of a spike.. the spacing isnt abnormaly large but its the combination of wildly varying spacing and angles that makes it so difficult. you know most mappers usually make the spacing smaller when they make patterns like squares and other obtuse angles to compensate for how much more difficult they are to play as opposed to those freestyle sharp angled kind of jump patterns. You should probably change these 01:57:193 (2,3,4,5) -
8. 02:32:293 (3) - bad overlap
9. 03:13:543 (7,1) - can overlap these for better readability. http://puu.sh/kPUsV.jpg
10. 03:28:993 - ugh well lets blame the producer for making a triplet sound here. triplets starting on white(red in this map) ticks are already kinda weird to play so it doesnt make it much better to have it on sliderend either, much less on a repeating slider lol. shortening the slider and replace the missing beat with a circle feels better to play. Personally, id just undermap this and leave out the triplet.

1. 00:40:843 (4,5) -
2. 01:33:343 (4,1) -
   
   These are just some examples, there are a few more that definitely needs to be fixed, youll have to judge for yourself which ones are bad and which ones still works. But its pretty easy to fix, you can usually just move one of the stacked circles to where the previous/next is.

dqs01733 wrote:

ok so, since you were kind of enough to offer me a re-mod on my old map, I will mod yours again since you're still working on this. I do agree with the points Nathan raised, especially about structure but since you're mostly focusing on gameplay I'll keep it at that unless I find something really bad. I'll edit this post with a mod when I get home.

Edit: ok here it is

[Beginning]

1. 00:02:743 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - the angles of these jumps are so sharp and don't feel natural to play. more circular movement feels better. replace lines 290-295 in the .osu file and see how it feels, I also overlapped 00:02:743 (2,3) - in a nice way to make it more readable, and fixed the overlap on 00:03:343 (5,1) - to how its usually done. Hm, alright. Made some slight changes to the sliders afterwards.
   
   SPOILER

   382,260,2743,2,0,L|334:268,2,44.9999988079071,0|0|4,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   400,272,3043,1,0,0:0:0:0:
   304,372,3193,1,0,0:0:0:0:
   252,213,3343,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   242,231,3643,5,0,0:0:0:0:
   366,129,3793,2,0,P|396:161|412:203,1,89.9999976158143

2. 00:24:793 (3,4) - yes please listen to nathan on this one. big jump on (3) emphasizes it obviously, and you said you wanted a "halt" a.k.a. anti-jump on that vocal but they way you did it is not working out as intended. lets say u wanna emphasize a strong beat then youd just make a larger jump into that beat, but anti-jumps works the opposite way in that you wanna place it AFTER the beat you want the "halt" on. im not going to explain why its like that but it just is, same thing with your reasoning about the slider, its the movement suceeding the beat at 00:24:943 (4) - thats going to follow the vocal, not the movement preceeding it. Therefore it doesnt matter if you make a small jump or big jump for that particular reason, but since you want anti-jump on 00:24:793 (3) - then it should be small. its the same principle with stacking which is much more common I'll stick with my opinion, the halt meant decreasing the spacing between 00:24:643 (2,3) - in the overall pattern, working towards a "halt", and then the spacing increase comes, why does it come? Not beacuse of the held vocal, but because of the sudden combination of both vocals at 00:24:793 (3) - and 00:24:943 (4) - , the first vocal is short and sudden, hence the halt, but the second vocal is strong as well and it is being held, this time I want to emphasize it by a jump. I do agree that stacking them would work too, because they're both held, and then the slider would express the held vocal.
3. 00:25:393 (5,6) - and do ctrl+g these individually, or atleast on 00:25:393 (5) - because theres no pressure on it right now for such a strong beat. Yeah I've done it after I updated the map with the offset, it is better.
4. 00:40:243 (2,1,2,3,4) - VERY sudden spacing change. Yeah the volume is building up but from 0.99x ds between 00:40:243 (2,1) - to 3.38x between 00:40:543 (2,3) - ???? It might have been a bit extreme lol, reduced spacing slightly.
5. 00:56:893 (1,2,3) - you should not reverse the direction of the flow when theres no strong beats, especially when the snares give the impression of follow-up from the strong beat at 00:56:893 (1) - . whether you actually want to reverse the flow on a strong beat is up to the mapper, it works just as well to continue the flow, see Monstrata maps. I agree, although the previous pattern didn't go that bad, this new pattern goes really nicely.
6. 01:53:293 (1) - Very sudden indeed. If you want to do this you should atleast make the faster one on the first occasion, and the slower one on the next occasions. Because its odd to introduce the concept with the extreme and then make the following ones easier. It has nothing with number of appearences, but rather the intensity that was built up and the spacing.
7. 01:57:193 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - This pattern is a bit of a spike.. the spacing isnt abnormaly large but its the combination of wildly varying spacing and angles that makes it so difficult. you know most mappers usually make the spacing smaller when they make patterns like squares and other obtuse angles to compensate for how much more difficult they are to play as opposed to those freestyle sharp angled kind of jump patterns. You should probably change these 01:57:193 (2,3,4,5) - I actually like the start of the pattern and I wouldn't change it, however I realised that I dislike the end of it, and I couldn't fidn anything to work well with the next objects too, so I remapped this one.
8. 02:32:293 (3) - bad overlap I didn't even notice it lol, fixed.
9. 03:13:543 (7,1) - can overlap these for better readability. http://puu.sh/kPUsV.jpg Hm alright, although readability is not my main concern here.
10. 03:28:993 - ugh well lets blame the producer for making a triplet sound here. triplets starting on white(red in this map) ticks are already kinda weird to play so it doesnt make it much better to have it on sliderend either, much less on a repeating slider lol. shortening the slider and replace the missing beat with a circle feels better to play. Personally, id just undermap this and leave out the triplet. Actually the triplet is kinda snapped on 1/12, so yeah blame the producer lol. However I did remove it now and changed the pattern, would feel better in the overall pattern.

So yeah, the biggest problem i see with the map is some of the odd spacing, namely when youre putting stacked circles from an off-beat -> strong beat. I guess its pretty ok during low intesity stuff or sliderends or smth but during jump patterns its very important to get these things right or itll cause random misses for the player. Some examples of improper stacks are

1. 00:40:843 (4,5) - Stacked with 00:40:693 (3) - instead
2. 01:33:343 (4,1) - I've changed it already
   
   These are just some examples, there are a few more that definitely needs to be fixed, youll have to judge for yourself which ones are bad and which ones still works. But its pretty easy to fix, you can usually just move one of the stacked circles to where the previous/next is.

There are also a lot of other things in the map id like changed that has the same issues as the things i pointed out above, but it's up to you how much of it you want to change, its not as severe as the spacing issues though. so, good luck!

1. 00:05:293 (3,4,5,6) - and 00:07:693 (1) - are basically the same thing but one is a slider with a SV change on top of it and one is just circles for more than one iteration of the same sound pattern
   yea i have no idea what this classifies that one where you do the one thing and where you do the other thing as special / not so special
2. 00:09:943 - i think it'd be much more intuitive to click this because right now you have 00:08:893 (3,1) - at approximately the same length which can be misleading (at least to me) and the sound it ends on is strong enough to justify a circle and doing this would make your rhythm choice consistent with 00:08:893 (3) - which i think is pretty neat
3. 00:14:443 - you use a lot of volume changes in this part i konw and stuff but i think in cases like this one it gets in the way of actual gameplay because you didn't mute sliderends like 00:12:943 (4) - or any similar bluetick 1/2 slider, really. I'd be much happier with this if you explained the lots of volume changes over the more or less constantly loud music in this part, playing this was pretty confusing and i thought you silence sliderends because you're overmapping but you aren't even overmapping and now i don't know what you're actually trying to do, but im also too lazy to read all the modreplies you gave on the thread so right now im jsut writing a long ass sentence and should probably stop now.
   ^sorry for long ass sentence
4. 00:20:218 (4) - you ignored these vibrations for most of the time and i don't think that circle is really needed nor does it compliment the chill part in any way by being more intense and stuff
5. 00:24:193 - why do you silence sliderends that don't even need the silence it confuses me when playing it because we didn't add t/329752 to the RC yet so i think these and similar things are questionable because they don't actually add something to my gameplay experience and are more like taking hitsoudns that should be audible from me :v
6. hereafter i will stop mentioning this because i really don't get it at all
7. 00:26:593 (4) - i would somehow love to click that downbeat, you know like actually being able to click 00:26:893 - would be awesome you often did 1/2 breaks like 00:10:993 (5,1) - so implementing another one wouldn't even seem odd
8. 00:29:743 (2) - this is the first time you extend something to an 1/8 tick until 00:45:793 (3) - and im not sure if this is really necessary, like it would work just as well with just letting these or most of these on blue ticks with the difference that it would be predictable. You don't seem to do these with a strict system, like at all (at least it's not implemented obviously enough for me to find it and reasonably justifying it so im bringing this up). You seem to extend sliders a lot for the sake of capturing vocals or some of the instruments fully but decided to do it for only some vocals and then refrain from using this technique for a while or so. This results in me not fully understanding your intentions and reasoning behind your things, which you very well may have, but it's just not done in an obvious enough way for me to not bring this up
   especially 00:50:593 (4,1,2,3) - 00:52:093 (1,2,3,1,2,1) - feel overdone to me due to the thing i just explained above, they come out of nowhere and go back into nothingness
9. 00:55:393 (2) - idk why exactly but i would rather place this one further up instead of distancesnapped down, moving further away from 00:55:693 (3) - would highlight the instrument on it better i think
10. 01:02:893 (3) - i don't get why this is a pause when you filled it with objects in 01:00:793 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - just before that, you also filled many other similar spots so idk why this one is special or maybe im dumb?
11. 01:07:618 (3,3,6) - while i don't think these are necessary at all in order to represent what you want to represent and stuff so they aren't unrankable, there's just the fact that this kind of vibration etc persists at many more points where you ignored them which makes me write it down anyways
12. 01:10:993 (1) - this is offscreen in 4:3 resolution (change to any 4:3 res and press play), which is unreasonable because you're putting something partly offscreen in a standard resolution (note that 5:4 may show up if your monitor supports it but it's not a standard resolution) so while it's visible on 16:9 just fine, it's cut off in 4:3, if you have any similarly close-to-the-edge-objects in your map, please doublecheck if they are all still on-screen before proceeding further, I'm far too lazy to check the whole thing for that stuff
13. 01:15:493 (3) - small space 01:16:693 (2) - giant space 01:17:893 (1) - small space
    why is only one of these so different ?_?
14. 01:30:643 - isn't the sound that whistle should land on here?? it sounds much better to not extend each and every slider in here
15. 01:29:293 (1,3) - the awkward touchhhhing borders
16. 01:34:693 (3) - i also think 1/4 is closer to this is instead of 1/8
17. 01:39:418 (2) - yeah i get that you want to emphasise the drum on 01:39:493 (3) - but why do you place this entire thing away from the previous slider? 01:39:418 (2) - doesn't have much that should receive special emphasis, so either removing 2 and making this a jump or keeping 2 and reducing spacing would feel more natural / or reasonable or whatever fancy word i should put here
18. 01:41:818 (3) - that hitsound is hella misleading, makes you think there's a strong drum going on while the actual drum is just a soft synth lol
19. 01:43:243 (5,6,7) - the sliderends don't add much besides unnecessary pressure on the one playing this, are you sure these are really necessary (i might be deaf, not the first time someone tells me that )
20. 01:50:893 (1,3,4) - man the more i look at this stuff the less i understand it, therea re many similar things in this song but not so many similar things in this diff ~_~
21. 01:54:118 (2) - this one just feels unnecessary really *do i add an imo to this to make this statement invalid?*
22. 02:06:493 (1,2,3,4) - aaa the piano focus is lame as hell because the drums are so much more interesting right now ;;
23. 02:19:093 (3) - ok this one actually left me a bit confused, you never did this, literally, why is splitting these up in 2 1/4 sliders bad or something or do you just want to throw me out of a window?
24. 02:19:693 (4) - your heavy piano focus actually would call for this sliderend to be an object and the slider to end earlier (you know that part where you put most clickable things in that sections on piano hits, im referring to that one)
25. 02:43:693 (5) - ok hereafter i won't mention these 4/8 sliders anymore because i don't get them most of the time due to there being too many things where you don't do them
26. 02:49:618 (3) - this is not nearly stressed enough to deserve such drastically different spacing compared to 02:49:093 (1,2) - :/
27. 03:05:293 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1) - left me confused at first, because the last section with these vocals was mapped more or less to the vocals while this is instruments/circles only so expectation of repeating verse with similar rhythms was not met in the slightest and i was left a bit confused until like 03:06:493 (1) - , and no the sudden spacing increase doesn't help me comprehending what's going on when i expect something like 01:00:493 (3,1,2,3,4) -
28. 03:37:243 (4,5) - these being so close felt a bit weird while playing, seems like you only did this for the sake of neat looking stacking, do you prioritise that over gameplay or something or is this indeed suboptimal
29. 03:47:143 - i don't really get why this is left out, this doesnt have a vocal calling for a breakdown or anything like that, it just has a regular sound that you used to map before, but now you ignore it lol
30. 03:58:093 (1) - 01:53:293 (1) - do these intentionally have completely different slidervelocities? seeing these makes me think there are a lot more inconsistencies among the way you speed up or slow down things, if you think these are issues you should go over this again to - hopefully - find more of them lol
31. why does the 2nd chorus feature so abnormally much more 1/8 notes compared to the first one?
32. 04:07:093 (1,2,3,4,1) - doesn't intensity in this whole pattern increase but spacing does the exact opposite ._.?
33. 04:07:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,1) - combochoices like this for something completely regular in terms of music don't make much sense with me but you do this a lot and sometimes it gives you really long and sometimes rather short combos in comparison, overall i don't think this contributes to how clean this map looks lol
34. 04:17:893 (1,2,1) - the way http://puu.sh/kYVdf/c29c1aab7a.jpg looks is uhh hh
35. 04:30:193 (1,1,2,3,4,5,6) - these sv and spacing changes are coming pretty much out of nowhere for me especially since 04:30:193 (1) - 's length looks so similar to 04:29:893 (3) -
36. 04:40:093 (1) - since the tick is not visible ingame (it only counts your combo) sliders like these are pretty much misleading me into thinking it's 1/4, the spacing to 04:40:693 (2) - doesn't help much with comprehending this pattern

Okoratu wrote:

i guess i'll try for a m4m because i have too much spare time

[general]
if you're muting sliderticks for the majority of this, why do you have so many of these to begin with, i fail to comprehend the reasoning for it other than "i want more max combo but i don't like how they sound" I don't need them except for some parts where I use the slider ticks as hitsounds, such as 03:31:243 (5) - , any different tick rate and I won't hear it or it will be timed incorrectly.
soft-sliderslide and soft-slidertick are both blank files which directly violates the ranking criteria,
"and lastly you cannot mute sliderslide and sliderticks together" or something is written in there so
while you're at it you could get rid of the (not unrankable) delay on normal-hitclap

About the hitsounds thingy, I am pretty sure every other map uses the blank files because they need empty hitsounds. Oh, and are you sure about that I can't mute both? It doesn't really make sense lol.

I actually enjoy double bpm styled maps for powerful slow songs but this is a chill song with a contrasting map, interesting choice, though not the kind of thing a lot people are going to love as much as you do i guess

[actual mep]

1. 00:05:293 (3,4,5,6) - and 00:07:693 (1) - are basically the same thing but one is a slider with a SV change on top of it and one is just circles for more than one iteration of the same sound pattern
   yea i have no idea what this classifies that one where you do the one thing and where you do the other thing as special / not so special Although I agree about the fact that they sound similar (not identical!), the following music is different and I mapped accordingly overall, it doesn't really affect gameplay. There's no strict rules about how I do what, I do whatever feels right for me.
2. 00:09:943 - i think it'd be much more intuitive to click this because right now you have 00:08:893 (3,1) - at approximately the same length which can be misleading (at least to me) and the sound it ends on is strong enough to justify a circle and doing this would make your rhythm choice consistent with 00:08:893 (3) - which i think is pretty neat It might work, but I prefer to keep the current pattern, I did try it, however, I don't really want to change the slider shapes, yeah they are identical with different SVs, it is a bit misleading, but there are NCS and it goes along with the music nicely. The sliders are meant to follow the long held instruments, and they do it well imo.
3. 00:14:443 - you use a lot of volume changes in this part i konw and stuff but i think in cases like this one it gets in the way of actual gameplay because you didn't mute sliderends like 00:12:943 (4) - or any similar bluetick 1/2 slider, really. I'd be much happier with this if you explained the lots of volume changes over the more or less constantly loud music in this part, playing this was pretty confusing and i thought you silence sliderends because you're overmapping but you aren't even overmapping and now i don't know what you're actually trying to do, but im also too lazy to read all the modreplies you gave on the thread so right now im jsut writing a long ass sentence and should probably stop now.
   ^sorry for long ass sentence I am not really silencing them, I didn't think I overmapped this part, it is just that the hitsounds sometime feel inappropriately loud so I lowered them manually in the beginning.
4. 00:20:218 (4) - you ignored these vibrations for most of the time and i don't think that circle is really needed nor does it compliment the chill part in any way by being more intense and stuff I ignored them most of the time because they were snapped at weird timing and they wouldn't fit, whenever I could make some use of them, I did. The tripley compliments the pattern nicely and it the peak of the whole section before we start the vocals.
5. 00:24:193 - why do you silence sliderends that don't even need the silence it confuses me when playing it because we didn't add t/329752 to the RC yet so i think these and similar things are questionable because they don't actually add something to my gameplay experience and are more like taking hitsoudns that should be audible from me :v I have 2 reasons for using a volume change to lower the hitsounds volume here; 1 - the slider end of 00:23:893 (3) -'s instrument volume is not that high and had I kept the (relatively) high volume it'd sound weird. 2 - I overmapped this part with 00:23:893 (3) - , I felt that it was necessary since I have to stop following the vocals with the slider at some point without making it too long (and ignoring beats). So the circle adds some sound to follow the vocals while avoiding awkward gap while playing.
6. hereafter i will stop mentioning this because i really don't get it at all
7. 00:26:593 (4) - i would somehow love to click that downbeat, you know like actually being able to click 00:26:893 - would be awesome you often did 1/2 breaks like 00:10:993 (5,1) - so implementing another one wouldn't even seem odd Hm, I'll give in after some more people suggestesd it, changed.
8. 00:29:743 (2) - this is the first time you extend something to an 1/8 tick until 00:45:793 (3) - and im not sure if this is really necessary, like it would work just as well with just letting these or most of these on blue ticks with the difference that it would be predictable. You don't seem to do these with a strict system, like at all (at least it's not implemented obviously enough for me to find it and reasonably justifying it so im bringing this up). You seem to extend sliders a lot for the sake of capturing vocals or some of the instruments fully but decided to do it for only some vocals and then refrain from using this technique for a while or so. This results in me not fully understanding your intentions and reasoning behind your things, which you very well may have, but it's just not done in an obvious enough way for me to not bring this up
   especially 00:50:593 (4,1,2,3) - 00:52:093 (1,2,3,1,2,1) - feel overdone to me due to the thing i just explained above, they come out of nowhere and go back into nothingness As for 00:29:743 (2) - It ends on the 1/8 (or 1/4 on 200 bpm) tick because it feels the best here imo, I tried leaving it on the blue tick but the vocals are pretty strong throughout the whole slider, the problem that created this weird long slider is the fact that the vocals start on the white tick while there's no instrument, however there's an instrument sound at the blue tick right before it so I use it as a lead slider to get the vocals into and it goes nicely. Alright so, I'll say that most of the time, I don't use a single structure to map, especially on Extra (or even Insane) difficulties, I like to be free and to represent the music in the way I, the mapper, hear it. I feel like the vocals at those certain parts deserve their own pattern, so I let them have it.
9. 00:55:393 (2) - idk why exactly but i would rather place this one further up instead of distancesnapped down, moving further away from 00:55:693 (3) - would highlight the instrument on it better i think Perhaps this would work with different slider shapes, I don't see this one working and I think the flow in the whole pattern emphasizes 3 very well.
10. 01:02:893 (3) - i don't get why this is a pause when you filled it with objects in 01:00:793 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - just before that, you also filled many other similar spots so idk why this one is special or maybe im dumb? Just the way I hear the song, you're not dumb, there's plenty of ways to map this part, long sliders, overmapped 1/4 sliders or circles, whatever goes.
11. 01:07:618 (3,3,6) - while i don't think these are necessary at all in order to represent what you want to represent and stuff so they aren't unrankable, there's just the fact that this kind of vibration etc persists at many more points where you ignored them which makes me write it down anyways While I agree that triplets could probably be added elsewhere to emphasize / represent anything, I added them here because I felt that they were pretty straightforward, especially with the instruments and tone change. If there's any other significant place I missed, you are free to suggest it
12. 01:10:993 (1) - this is offscreen in 4:3 resolution (change to any 4:3 res and press play), which is unreasonable because you're putting something partly offscreen in a standard resolution (note that 5:4 may show up if your monitor supports it but it's not a standard resolution) so while it's visible on 16:9 just fine, it's cut off in 4:3, if you have any similarly close-to-the-edge-objects in your map, please doublecheck if they are all still on-screen before proceeding further, I'm far too lazy to check the whole thing for that stuff Okay.
13. 01:15:493 (3) - small space 01:16:693 (2) - giant space 01:17:893 (1) - small space
    why is only one of these so different ?_? The third one is not as strong as the others one, and it follows the vocals. As for the others, it makes sense to increase it between them, and I am not really sure how to explain it, but the second one feels more important and signicifcant.
14. 01:30:643 - isn't the sound that whistle should land on here?? it sounds much better to not extend each and every slider in here I'll admit that it sounds nice too, but I am kinda holding the vocal with the first sliders, the whistle is not intended for whatever instrument there is on the blue tick. The double whistle compliments the vocal change nicely imo.
15. 01:29:293 (1,3) - the awkward touchhhhing borders Oh lol, okay.
16. 01:34:693 (3) - i also think 1/4 is closer to this is instead of 1/8 Hm, change whole pattern slightly.
17. 01:39:418 (2) - yeah i get that you want to emphasise the drum on 01:39:493 (3) - but why do you place this entire thing away from the previous slider? 01:39:418 (2) - doesn't have much that should receive special emphasis, so either removing 2 and making this a jump or keeping 2 and reducing spacing would feel more natural / or reasonable or whatever fancy word i should put here I agree, reduced spacing.
18. 01:41:818 (3) - that hitsound is hella misleading, makes you think there's a strong drum going on while the actual drum is just a soft synth lol I agree that the hitsound isn't similar to the actual instrument, I am too lazy to find any more hitsounds, and the clap compliments the song with some artificial instruments.
19. 01:43:243 (5,6,7) - the sliderends don't add much besides unnecessary pressure on the one playing this, are you sure these are really necessary (i might be deaf, not the first time someone tells me that ) You are not deaf, there's nothing really on the sliderends, it is just that the instruments at the beginning of them are slightly held so I think the sliders compliments it, and yeah it adds some pressure to the player, although I think it is nice.
20. 01:50:893 (1,3,4) - man the more i look at this stuff the less i understand it, therea re many similar things in this song but not so many similar things in this diff ~_~ Hanatan's Vocals <3
21. 01:54:118 (2) - this one just feels unnecessary really *do i add an imo to this to make this statement invalid?* Yeah you do It is overmapped, I admit, but it is surrounded by 2 whistles, and just having them by themselves feels awkward a bit, so I added this little circle, and I think it's pretty neat.
22. 02:06:493 (1,2,3,4) - aaa the piano focus is lame as hell because the drums are so much more interesting right now ;; Yeah, they are, but they don't fit the pace I set with the new section.
23. 02:19:093 (3) - ok this one actually left me a bit confused, you never did this, literally, why is splitting these up in 2 1/4 sliders bad or something or do you just want to throw me out of a window? Yo man I'm unorthodox, swag swag yolo yolo.
24. 02:19:693 (4) - your heavy piano focus actually would call for this sliderend to be an object and the slider to end earlier (you know that part where you put most clickable things in that sections on piano hits, im referring to that one) Idk about this tbh, the slider end sounds so different, nothing like the previous piano notes, so I used a different hitsound on the end of it, and I decided to use it as a pace changer as well.
25. 02:43:693 (5) - ok hereafter i won't mention these 4/8 sliders anymore because i don't get them most of the time due to there being too many things where you don't do them Idk it goes well with the vocals.
26. 02:49:618 (3) - this is not nearly stressed enough to deserve such drastically different spacing compared to 02:49:093 (1,2) - :/ Re-arranged pattern, should be better.
27. 03:05:293 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1) - left me confused at first, because the last section with these vocals was mapped more or less to the vocals while this is instruments/circles only so expectation of repeating verse with similar rhythms was not met in the slightest and i was left a bit confused until like 03:06:493 (1) - , and no the sudden spacing increase doesn't help me comprehending what's going on when i expect something like 01:00:493 (3,1,2,3,4) - Just like I want it, although the sections are similar, the build up is not the same and yet again, consistency is not my 2nd name most of thetimes lol. You better play it by reading it as it is and not predicting whatever you think I might do.
28. 03:37:243 (4,5) - these being so close felt a bit weird while playing, seems like you only did this for the sake of neat looking stacking, do you prioritise that over gameplay or something or is this indeed suboptimal Actually it plays weird indeed, stacked them, feels better now.
29. 03:47:143 - i don't really get why this is left out, this doesnt have a vocal calling for a breakdown or anything like that, it just has a regular sound that you used to map before, but now you ignore it lol Again, a pattern that could be mapped differently
30. 03:58:093 (1) - 01:53:293 (1) - do these intentionally have completely different slidervelocities? seeing these makes me think there are a lot more inconsistencies among the way you speed up or slow down things, if you think these are issues you should go over this again to - hopefully - find more of them lol Yes, the preceding one's pattern is more intense that the one that appears later.
31. why does the 2nd chorus feature so abnormally much more 1/8 notes compared to the first one? It doesn't?
32. 04:07:093 (1,2,3,4,1) - doesn't intensity in this whole pattern increase but spacing does the exact opposite ._.? Actually in the last notes the intensity decreases, hence the spacing change.
33. 04:07:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,1) - combochoices like this for something completely regular in terms of music don't make much sense with me but you do this a lot and sometimes it gives you really long and sometimes rather short combos in comparison, overall i don't think this contributes to how clean this map looks lol Oki doki, changed.
34. 04:17:893 (1,2,1) - the way http://puu.sh/kYVdf/c29c1aab7a.jpg looks is uhh hh I think I fixed it now? Idk they are on the same coordinates.
35. 04:30:193 (1,1,2,3,4,5,6) - these sv and spacing changes are coming pretty much out of nowhere for me especially since 04:30:193 (1) - 's length looks so similar to 04:29:893 (3) - The only reasoning except for "Ilikeit" that I can give is that 04:29:893 (3) - is held by vocal hence "slower", and 04:30:193 (1) - is also held until being kinda stopped by the small drum at the blue tick.
36. 04:40:093 (1) - since the tick is not visible ingame (it only counts your combo) sliders like these are pretty much misleading me into thinking it's 1/4, the spacing to 04:40:693 (2) - doesn't help much with comprehending this pattern You're going to accept it and move on lol, if I start a slider on the instrument at 04:40:093 (1) -, I use a slow slider, I like it here.

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as you can see it got a lot shorter towards the end because i decided to stop mentioning a few of the things that i don't understand well enough to agree with their usage. This seems like an attempt to be as fancy as possible for every pattern, like ever, what sometimes hurts this piece of art on a logical level,
Idk what to think about it, but i guess that's not my job here, i hope any of this above helps you in any way and pls excuse me trolling you a few times in there, i just couldn't stop writing nonsense in one or 2 cases xD

Zectro wrote:

[General]

In the beginning(no pun intended) of the map the changes between syncing the notes to the drums in the song (ex: 00:06:193 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ) and between following the melody more (ex: 00:08:893 (3,1) - ) feels very weird since you'd expect for example a note on 00:09:343 -
etc, I think you probably get what I mean, you should try syncing it a bit more to one of the two instead of switching out the whole time. I follow the melody which feels the most significant and appropriate to follow.

Also all the sudden slider velocity changes are so overwhelming in the beginning of the map aswell, its like YO DUDE CALM DOWN A BIT and yeah it feels kinda weird at times. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy this style, although it's a very complicated style that needs a lot of thought put into it and also needs a lot of polishing!

Also, please be careful, since a lot of parts feel overmapped due to the extreme slider velocity/sv changes.
And try to look at all the jumps you have in kiai sections again after reading through this mod, specially the second long kiai section (start: 03:29:893 - )
because quite a lot of them don't really feel right. (ex: 03:37:243 (4,5) - just does not feel right) This one was fixed from the previous mod, and yeah it was a really recent change, if you found anything as bad as this, you should've mentioned it.


[Beginning]

00:02:743 (2,3,4,5) - For some reason this is soo hard to read and get 300s on, it just doesn't feel well Seems pretty fine to me.
00:08:143 (2,1) - This is EXTREMELY confusing, since this is right at the beginning of the map, the player does not have a complete feel for the rythm yet, which makes this so incredibly confusing to read. Specially since the nc on 00:08:293 (1) - Egh.. They're spaced like regular 1/4 (or 1/2) notes would, the only thing that might be confusing is the anti jump which the NC indicates, and it is just fine.
00:09:493 (1) - This seems a little TOO slow, try using something like x0,60 sv instead It is supposed to be slow, to follow the held note and it looks great with the previous slider.
00:19:093 (1) - Too slow outta nowhere too, doesn't play very well and looks kinda weird, would recommend changing the sv to a little bit higher speed aswell Yeah, it is slow, not too much imo, I've already used 0.5x in this section and it goes just like I want with the held note and builds nicely into the next notes.
00:38:593 (1,1) - Could overlap eachother a little less Why? This overlap looks great.
00:47:293 (1,1) - There could be a little more space between these, since now it almost seems as if they are touching eachother which destroys the consistency of the space between blankets I don't think anyone sees it as they are touching each other, but yeah the spacing is bit extreme here. Changed.
01:33:493 (1,2,3,4,5) - These jumps just feel too forced Really? I actually think they are going pretty well with the song here.
01:53:293 (1) - Definetly too slow, I love the style you are using, but this is just too slow. Kills the flow Not going to change it, if you want reasoning, look out for previous mods.
02:08:893 (1) - Could look fancier Hm okay slightly reshaped.
02:16:393 (1) - Sudden speed change feels cheap But there's no speed change?
02:19:093 (3) - 4x kickslider feels meh I'll keep it anyway.
02:53:743 (2,3) - You can polish the way this looks a bit, right? There are no problems imo
03:02:293 (3,4) - I suggest nerfing these, there is not really a sound in the song that it fits to, only the vocals, that's why I suggest making the shape a little cleaner Although not the cleanest, I like them, and they present the vocals in the way I wanted them to.
04:12:043 (5) - I suggest putting this closer to 04:11:893 (4) - since it's very hard to notice that you still have to keep going there and make that jump since you'd think that you reached a slower point of the song muh reading skillz. Nah I think it is fine.
04:26:893 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - Feels over the top and overmapped. Perhaps it is overmapped, but doesn't feel over the top for me, it represents the song the way I wanted it.
04:30:793 (2,1) - This switch from x1,5sv to x0,75 is just too big, try using something like x85 or x90? Feels fine for me.

I'm a pretty big fan of this style, but as I said it's a lot of work to fully polish a map mapped in this style
So good luck!

chucentry wrote:

Hi Avishay

Beginning

00:06:193 (1,2) - too high spacing in slow part. can be short and if u want 00:06:493 (3,4,5) - can use the same distance like here or do more big the distance in (3) and (4) but not a lot like (1) and (2) That's not really high and the part is not that slow.. It plays great as well so no real reason to change it.

00:21:193 (1,2,3,4,5) - maybe this http://puu.sh/l2Iny/42836e43c1.jpg if no tlike it can stack the (5) in (2) Actually I like it.

00:53:293 (1,2,3,4) - (3) and (4) swap placement Welp I like this one too.

01:01:543 (4,5) - for me sound better, first the note and them the slider I agree.

01:11:443 (1) - stack with slider This was intentional, I might stack it, but for the moment I will leave it as it is.

01:33:193 (3,4) - too short and all jumps are with big spacing and feels akward 01:33:343 (4) - maybe here? x:316 y:188 Nice.

01:38:293 (1) - remove NC V

02:45:343 (3) - try with stack where is the (4) i mean http://puu.sh/l2KIz/5b257837fc.jpg if u like it Nah, the current one follows instruments and vocals better.

02:46:543 (2) - are a lot of distance with the slider and is not a strong part. try with blanket the slider if u want Yeah the space is slightly big but it is fine nontheless.

03:26:443 (1,2,3) - the distance here is a lot. not use all is no strong part to do this jump It's where it starts getting intense man, it's fine.

03:36:943 (2,3,4,5) - zigzag jumps http://puu.sh/l2JX1/aa65ddd829.jpg Feels meh.

03:39:868 (4) - remove this and can do a triple here 03:40:018 - Nah current one with the vocals.

03:41:893 (1) - Ctrl + G Why?

03:42:193 (2) - this http://puu.sh/l2K3W/f8be5e7117.jpg Okay now it makes sense ^

03:43:993 (2) - overmapped only a circle Not the first time I overmap

03:50:893 (4,5,1) - for me this is a slider 1/2 cuz vocal is stend the last word Ruins intensity

Lasse wrote:

I'll try

soft-hitfinish feels a tiny bit too loud, how about lowering the volume slightly with some audio editing software?

00:43:093 (1,2,3) - whenever I play this, movement feels a bit harsh, especielly in contrast to how "soft" the song is here, but idk how to fix that, so feel free to ingore I guess, made something that plays much better.
00:44:593 (1,2,1,2) - this for example fits way better

01:25:843 (6,1) - even when I abuse slider leniency to barely not get a 100 movement to 1 just feels off, no matter if using a more "snappy" or "floaty" playstyle, the slider -> circle movement doesn't feel right, maybe this shitty pictures explains what I mean: I don't feel like this is the appropriate flow movement, the one that actually plays: there's a half circle curve from the slider head to the end, and then a really shard degree for the next circle, I think it's fine for now
http://i.imgur.com/jwa08Tq.png

02:19:093 (3) - feels unfitting here, it puts the same emphasis on "nothing" 02:19:243 / 02:19:543 as on the piano 02:19:393 As too many people mention it, I guess I'll change it.
http://i.imgur.com/1xKQcJv.jpg ?

02:47:293 (1,2) - moving 2 a bit higher would allow for better movement after the slider Correct. Changed.

03:17:293 (1,2,1) - would play/look better if you kept the same/similar angle and maybe even distance for both jumps, like you did with 03:17:893 (1,2,3) - It's supposed to emphasize 03:17:893 (1) - and indicate the SV change.

03:30:493 (3) - ctrl+g this and 03:30:793 (4) - this =>makes the movement flow better imo This goes really really well.

03:53:743 (6) - blanketing this would looks so nice here But the movement would be bad.

04:27:493 (3,4,5,6,1) - curve this slider a bit more and continue the movement into the burst, makes it less "choppy" imo
http://i.imgur.com/AWfIigj.jpg this is the idea bit it can obv. look better than what I quickly made here It's fine :S

small mod but maybe it can help, gl

Aleycks wrote:

Hi ! M4M reply

[Beginning]
00:03:643 (1) - 00:04:843 (1) - I don't get why the first one is stacked and the 2nd one is a jump. It's quite confusing. I think you should either stack the two or make them both a jump for consistency sake The whole section doesn't sound really different overall, I don't find consistency a necessity here.
01:02:593 (1) - 01:03:193 (4) - ^
There are other issues like this one throughout the map
00:05:743 (6,1) - Instead of such a break in the map I suggest you make 6 a slider that goes to the next blue tick Unnecessary, the break is supported by the music.
00:09:493 (1) - Why does this slider have such a low SV ? It's kinda flow breaking How is it flow breaking? and it is because of the held note and the obvious good looking pattern overall.
00:18:493 (1) - This slider has a pretty weird shape... Really? :O I disagree, and it plays really well.
00:38:143 (5,6) - Why do you stack these ? you could create a mouvement here Because the section ends and it goes nice with the music?
00:51:493 (3,4,5,1) - That's a very weird pattern, it sounds kinda wrong in the editor, and the spacing is very weird Not your usual pattern, I agree, but it's the way I follow the vocals and I like it.
01:06:943 (3) - This 1/8 slider is unnecessary Artificial 1/8 feels like it supports that section well imo.
02:56:143 (2) - ^ Same.
01:22:543 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1) - The spacing is kinda chaotic in this pattern... I agree to some degree, rearranged some objects.
01:34:093 (5,1) - "pauses" like that feel wrong, especially in the kiai. Try a slider maybe It's fine? I don't think it's wrong or awkward at all, why do you think like that?
01:36:493 (10,1) - add a circle in between these two ? Yeah that'd be nice.
01:41:743 (2,3,4) - I don't get why there is a triple here... I don't have my headphones so I can't really tell but it feels wrong Vocal supporting, just fine imo.
01:44:893 (1,2) - sliders would feel way better here Indeed.
Basically I think you should fix the "pauses" there are in the kiai. It ruins the movement and the flow to have to wait to click the circles... You want this moment to be powerful, there shouldn't be pauses in it
02:45:193 (2,3) - Why are these two stacked ? I think it ruins the movement here Because vocals and instruments strongly support it, I think it enhances the music itself.
02:48:793 (3,4) - ^... Well this one is actually bad lol, fixed.
03:39:868 (4,5) - I don't get this. This triple doesn't feel necessary at all Uhm yeah I should've changed it a long time ago.
03:59:593 (5,6,7,8,9) - That's a really weird pattern Remapped.
Also same thing as above, there shouldn't be pauses in the kiai imo
04:09:343 (2,3) - overlap that could be fixed x_x Both overlaps are intentional
04:36:943 (5) - ? Listen closely, well it just follows the music as it is.

Overall, this map is and OK map. It's kinda creative, but suffers from a lot of spacing inconsistencies imo... the SV changes are really hectic too, I think that you used them a bit too much when it's not always justified... The "pauses" you introduced really ruin the flow at times, and some rhythm inconsistencies too.

Well I think that's all. Hope I could help and good luck !

]Nymph[ wrote:

Little modding (mostly with outlook, I'm bad at checking sounds, NC etc..)

Map is overall magnifient more like ranked material. Very nice!
00:17:743 (2,3) - Umm could this overlapping be avoided? Like lowering slider 5 slider end Sure.
00:30:193 (1,2) - this overlap too, it's not bad but it disturbs me Alright as well.
00:30:193 (1,2) - copypaste sliders? Are you talking about those 00:30:793 (1,2) - ? Because the other doesn't make sense and they're identical/
00:35:293 (1,1) - not so nice overlap I like it.
00:38:593 (1,1) - copypaste sliders? and overlapping with different sliders are not so beautiful On purpose, I like it, it emphasizes the change in music along with vocals.
00:38:893 (1,1) - Nc necessary? SV change so yes.
00:45:793 (3,1) - Not so nice overlap again On purpose, I like it.
00:46:993 (3,1) - Same^ ^
01:17:893 (1) - Map has little too much this styled sliders, and I think that they could be shaped more nicely It's fine imo.
01:19:693 (1) - I like this shape
01:26:293 (1,2) - that placing of circle 2 might confuse players, putting them further away or stacking would be better I disagree, it's not hard to read at all, especially with that AR.
01:34:693 (3,4) - Not so nice overlap To be honest I like this one a lot.
02:03:493 (1) - NC necessary? I can't explain it but it feels appropriate here, you are the first to mention it.
02:20:743 (2,1) - This overlap grinds my gears Lmao yeah it is terrible, fixed.
02:20:743 (2,1) - Same^ Those are the same sliders lol.
02:31:393 (1) - I don't see the necessity of NC because anything doesn't change and singer seems to be in middle of the sentence SV changes.
02:34:093 (4,1) - Could be overlapped better or no overlapping at all Overlap is pretty fine imo.
02:50:593 (2) - Should be reshaped Added a curve to the second vector.
03:31:693 (1) - ^same, Dunno it this slider is even rankable Why wouldn't it be?
03:56:143 (1) - NC necessary? SV
03:59:743 (6,7) - I think that 7 is way too far from six, and there is not even so hard beat plus even when there is same sounds between 8 and 9 and they are "overspaced" but still its shorter jump than between 6 and 7 Slightly modified spacings.
04:27:868 (4,5,6) - Can't hear beat between these Yeah, artificial beat, add intensity to the strong section.
There's all I would do to this map. Hope this helps!

Rohit6 wrote:

Hello!M4M
Things in brackets are just suggestions

Some things I'd like to say before you start reading and raging at me

Jenny wrote:

ADDITIONAL HITSOUNDING (CAREFUL!! DANGEROUS!!): You may use a slider's end/reverse arrow/ticks to emphasize additional layers in the song which are not part of the front layer (which naturally, you should be mapping and always prioritize) - this is dangerous because it can be very hard to keep the actual clicking and playing rhythm/emphasis of the main beat and frontline if you are trying to emphasize and feature too many things at once, therefore you should always consider your priorities first before doing anything like this

Taken from this

I really think you should go through that atleast once because I found a LOT of passive sliders, I know you tried to follow the vocals and then hitsound with the instruments for hitconfirm but it just made it all the more confusing for me during play and while modding

I feel the main problem with passiveness starts from 02:02:893 - here

[Beginning]

00:02:743 (2) - Passive slider,ends on the downbeat so it isnt emphasized correctly,highly suggested turning it into a 1/4 slider and a circle so the downbeat gets the emphasis it needs

00:38:593 (1,1,1,2,1,2) - The drop in SV feels very unnatural, its gonna cause a lot of slider breaks later on so I suggest playing around with the SV of
00:39:793 (1) - this slider so it feels more natural I disagree, feels pretty fine to me, never had slider breaks here.

01:24:943 - You've mapped to the instruments here but started the kiai where the vocals resume,highly suggest starting the kiai here 01:24:493 - which is where you hear the big cymbal crash Seems pointless, everyone would percieve it differently, I feel that the kiai start is justified with the vocals.

01:39:793 (4) - Sliderstart is on a weaker beat than the sliderend which should generally never happen, you want the players to play the rhythm in which you've hitsounded and you've even put a strong ting at the sliderend ,if you really want the slider, end it a tick earlier and put a circle on the white tick,because the white tick NEEDS to be clicked Could work too, however I barely (if at all) use the 3/4 (7/8) slider to cricle trick in this map, the current pattern is not terrible and plays nice eitherway.

01:40:693 (3) - Same as above because the 1-1-1 drums begin on the slider and it feels lackluster in terms of play Yeah but it is not mandatory, I don't really play on the drums here, this is why I stacked the slider end with the circle and then made a jump on the strong note.

01:52:093 (4,5) - Unnecessary 1/4 snap which isnt supported by anything in the music , maybe try and ctrl+g the 5 Goes along really well with the vocals, listen closely.

01:56:893 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - This is one whole combo where you play the 1-1-1-1-1-1 drums , so there's no need to seperate the combo by an NC Oops, fixed.

02:02:143 (3,1,2,3,4) - Again,there's a strong drum beat on the sliderend, which isnt contributing to the start of the 1-1-1-1-1 drums which are repeated throughout the map , something like 01:33:493 (1,2,3,4,5) - this would be brilliant because these are near perfect in terms of pressure and angling It's completely fine and intentional, the stong finish is supposed to be a kind of halt and a defining line between each line, then the square comes and believe me it plays great.

02:05:143 (2) - I know this is a slow section but please avoid covering the downbeats by reverse arrows/sliderends I am following the ringing sounds as the main instrument here, everything else is an addition.

02:05:593 (3) - Another huge drum sound on the sliderend And it's actually pretty good as the slider end of a long slow slider

02:13:993 (1) - [Maybe turn this into a 1/2 slider and then a circle on the white tick,but the slider that you have right is fine] Actually I like this suggestion, changed.

02:16:393 (1) - Another passive slider

02:20:893 (1) - Reduce volume on sliderend,its producing unneeded sound Intentional.

02:23:293 (1) - Passive slider, try and make it more like 02:24:493 (2,3) - this The music could be mapped in various ways here, I did what felt natural to me, and this works.

02:25:393 (1) - Passive slider [2 1/2 sliders would work here] Coudld work but creates unnecessary intensity while I want the intensity to start at the vocals.

02:28:693 (3) - Passive slider covering the downbeat,highly suggest changing this Actually yeah this doesn't play that well, changed.

02:29:893 (1,2,3,4) - The positioning of 2 breaks the flow too much in such a calm section , something like thiswould be optimal Nice.

02:31:393 (1) - Passive slider covering the downbeat CHANGED WHOLE PATTEERN TO SOMETHIGN MUACH NAICER

02:37:093 (3) - Passive slider with a strong hitsound on it which needs to be clicked Uhm, changed the pattern to support vocals with instruments better.

02:40:693 (3) - You click all the strong cymbals 02:38:893 (1,2,1) - but not on the last slider ,highly suggest removing the reverse arrow and putting clickable beats on the downbeat Nah, plays really well, goes nicely as a halt.

02:44:593 (4) - Passive slider

02:55:393 (3) - Passive slider on downbeat

03:13:543 (7) - Sliderend covering cymbal,make it 1/4slider with a circle K

03:18:493 (3) - Silderend covering the most important beat of the next combo,highly suggest changing this K

03:23:143 (2) - Has a kick at the sliderend ,please dont do this alright.

03:30:793 (4) - Sliderend on strong beat k

03:31:243 (5) - Playing around with the sliderticks is cool but if you're gonna follow the vocals/instruments in a section then I suggest you keep following them throughout the whole section,because if you try to hitsound everything in a section it will reflect badly and create inconsistencies everywhere freestyle yo, I don't follow complete consistency, it is a random result.

03:38:293 (5) - Suggest you NC here to seperate the 1-1-1-1 drums from the rest of the previous combo Sure.

03:40:543 (7) - Passive slider

03:40:543 (7,1) - Passive sliders

04:13:693 (1,2) - 3 1/2 sliders fit perfectly,highly recommend changing this because it goes 1-2-1-2-1-2 but you've put a 1-2-3-1-2-3 Both me and you were wrong, this is the right pattern:

04:14:893 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - Hate to say this but the beatpairing is incorrect because its 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 and not 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2 Changed to something that goes along with the music better.

04:17:893 (1,2,1) - The 2 is barely visible here,suggest creating some space in between the sliders and making the 2 more visible NC is the most I'll do here.

04:35:743 (6,7,8,9) - Sliderend on start of 1-1-1-1 drums As long as it plays well, who cares.

04:37:543 (2) - Sliderend on kick On purpose.

04:37:993 (4) - [You can keep this but its better if you remove the reverse arrow and put a circle on the white tick] I'kk leep.

04:38:743 (2) - This one is pretty obvious Yep, I'll keep it.

04:40:993 (1) - Sliderend on downbeat

04:42:193 (2,3) - [Could make the 2 a 1/2 slider so it feels less emptier] But it doesn't feel empty at all.

04:43:093 (2) - Passive slider ending on downbeat

04:54:493 (1,2) - [Can add a circle on the blue tick] Yeah I tried those but following the lyrics option seems like the best option to me.

04:55:693 (1,2,1) - ^

05:00:193 (1,2) - Up the spacing for the big finish Seems justified.

If you have any questions you can catch me ingame, I'll be happy to give my reasoning on the mods I've suggested

]Nymph[ wrote:

Oh shit, seems like I copypasted same section twice on two parts, let me fix it

00:30:193 (1,2) - copypaste sliders?

00:32:893 (1,2) - copypaste sliders? (I meant these )

02:20:743 (2,1) - This overlap grinds my gears

02:31:093 (1,1) - Same^ (I meant these)

Next BN wrote:

#2

Okoratu wrote:

log

2015-11-15 16:00 Okoratu: o lemme play it
2015-11-15 16:00 Okoratu: wajl
2015-11-15 16:01 Avishay: o.o
2015-11-15 16:01 Okoratu: 00:08:293 (1) - 00:03:343 - 00:04:543 - 00:05:743 -
2015-11-15 16:01 Okoratu: z
2015-11-15 16:02 Avishay: who creas xd
2015-11-15 16:09 Okoratu: the way you interpret this song is 3dgy
2015-11-15 16:10 Avishay: her vocals are making me wet, what can i do
2015-11-15 16:10 Avishay: and yeah I like to listen closely as well
2015-11-15 16:10 Avishay: the hitsounds are closely detailed relatively to the song
2015-11-15 16:10 Okoratu: can't relate i usually hate hanatan
2015-11-15 16:10 Avishay: :<
2015-11-15 16:11 Okoratu: but i don't hate her as much as yuikonnu
2015-11-15 16:11 Okoratu: xd
2015-11-15 16:11 Avishay: lmao
2015-11-15 16:12 Okoratu: i don't think this'll get through qualified
2015-11-15 16:12 Avishay: well have you seen what other shit is being ranked
2015-11-15 16:13 Okoratu: yes and it amkes me sad on a daily basis
2015-11-15 16:13 Avishay: xd
2015-11-15 16:13 Avishay: you ranked one of those maps
2015-11-15 16:13 Avishay: perhaps more
2015-11-15 16:13 Okoratu: i think the only controversial map i qualified was
2015-11-15 16:13 Okoratu: deconstruction star
2015-11-15 16:14 Avishay: yep,
2015-11-15 16:14 Okoratu: for the rest i was like nopeeeeeeee
2015-11-15 16:14 Avishay: well are you going to help me push it forward/ ;;
2015-11-15 16:16 Avishay: yeah some patterns are really awkward at this diff
2015-11-15 16:20 Avishay: i am desperate for love
2015-11-15 16:20 Okoratu: girls with
2015-11-15 16:20 Okoratu: ?
2015-11-15 16:20 Okoratu: wut
2015-11-15 16:20 Okoratu: xD
2015-11-15 16:20 Avishay: oh
2015-11-15 16:20 Avishay: it is censodre
2015-11-15 16:20 Avishay: I said
2015-11-15 16:20 Avishay: pu$$y
2015-11-15 16:21 Okoratu: no but XD
2015-11-15 16:21 Okoratu: what kind of threat is that
2015-11-15 16:22 Avishay: a very threateaning threat
2015-11-15 16:22 Avishay: >JUST DO IT<
2015-11-15 16:37 Avishay: well Iguess you don't want to rank my map do ya lol, just say
2015-11-15 16:38 Okoratu: im eating sth rn and thinking about doing it or not
2015-11-15 16:38 Okoratu: lol
2015-11-15 16:38 Avishay: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zdf7Afgfq8Q/maxresdefault.jpg
2015-11-15 16:38 Okoratu: my main issue with it is that you take consistency and throw it out of your list of concepts
2015-11-15 16:38 Okoratu: LOL
2015-11-15 16:39 Avishay: YEP
2015-11-15 16:39 Avishay: sometimes I use it if I feel that it fits perfectly
2015-11-15 16:39 Avishay: but if it's not mandatory, then why
2015-11-15 16:41 Okoratu: it's just like a basic concept most people use and stuff lol
2015-11-15 16:41 Okoratu: expecially if songs have repeated choruses etc
2015-11-15 16:41 Avishay: >most people use<
2015-11-15 16:41 Okoratu: xd
2015-11-15 16:41 Avishay: i hate being generic
2015-11-15 16:42 Avishay: i do waht feels good man
2015-11-15 16:42 Okoratu: maybe we'll get an angry qat to mod it
2015-11-15 16:42 Okoratu: by qualifying
2015-11-15 16:42 Avishay: lmao
2015-11-15 16:43 Avishay: "angry qat"
2015-11-15 16:43 Okoratu: p/4637633 made ppl angry too
2015-11-15 16:44 Avishay: tho it is just an normal hard map
2015-11-15 16:44 Avishay: and kyubey is pretty experienced
2015-11-15 16:44 Okoratu: ppl were still angry
2015-11-15 16:44 Okoratu: xd
2015-11-15 16:44 Avishay: but well they let that slip, who the fuck plays those difficulies ;d
2015-11-15 16:45 Okoratu: i like playing hards from time to time
2015-11-15 16:45 Avishay: there are only some very specific songs I'd play on lower difficulties
2015-11-15 16:46 Avishay: just beacuse of the song itself
2015-11-15 16:46 Okoratu: http://puu.sh/lmtl2/87d14061b0.png
2015-11-15 16:46 Okoratu: xd
2015-11-15 16:47 Avishay: oh dammmm
2015-11-15 16:47 Avishay: 07th expansion is gud indeed
2015-11-15 16:47 Okoratu: as i started i thought those Hards were the average hard
2015-11-15 16:47 Okoratu: and spent like a long time passing them
2015-11-15 16:47 Okoratu: and then i realised those are insane diffs
2015-11-15 16:47 Okoratu: xd
2015-11-15 16:47 Avishay: wow u so gud at game
2015-11-15 16:48 Avishay: there are some certain maps
2015-11-15 16:48 Avishay: that I played too much as I was a shit tier player
2015-11-15 16:48 Avishay: and now I can't play them at all
2015-11-15 16:48 Avishay: my brain remembers the movements of noob me
2015-11-15 17:20 Okoratu: did anyone ever ask you about metadata
2015-11-15 17:20 Okoratu: on that beginning xd
2015-11-15 17:20 Avishay: um
2015-11-15 17:20 Avishay: I got one post on metadatra
2015-11-15 17:20 Avishay: sec
2015-11-15 17:21 Avishay: p/4593988
2015-11-15 17:21 Avishay: the metadata is taken from the album
2015-11-15 17:21 Avishay: and the tags are well, describing the background
2015-11-15 17:22 Avishay: wish I could have it as just 'Hanatan' but that'd lead to a DQ for sure
2015-11-15 17:52 Avishay: soooooooooooo
2015-11-15 18:37 Okoratu: 02:49:618 (3,4) - i still think this is lik
2015-11-15 18:37 Okoratu: e
2015-11-15 18:37 Okoratu: terrible
2015-11-15 18:39 Okoratu: 03:36:943 (2,4,5) - enable stacking and this will look super stupid
2015-11-15 18:41 Okoratu: 03:54:193 (3,4,5) - looks off as well
2015-11-15 18:41 Okoratu: 04:00:343 (1,2) - is off xd
2015-11-15 18:42 Okoratu: 04:17:893 (1,2,1) - already annoyed me the last time i looked at it
2015-11-15 18:44 Avishay: alright gimme am oment
2015-11-15 18:46 Avishay: I really don't get what do you mean by "off"
2015-11-15 18:46 Okoratu: now i have to make pictures again fuck this
2015-11-15 18:47 Avishay: o.o
2015-11-15 18:47 Okoratu: 03:54:418 (4) -
2015-11-15 18:47 Okoratu: nic
2015-11-15 18:47 Okoratu: i closed the chat
2015-11-15 18:47 Okoratu: http://puu.sh/lmAFW/032f004f4f.jpg
2015-11-15 18:47 Avishay: lmao
2015-11-15 18:47 Okoratu: is basically that and then it doesn't stack correctly
2015-11-15 18:48 Avishay: oh you should've said to simply fix the stack heh
2015-11-15 18:48 Okoratu: 03:58:918 (2) - sam
2015-11-15 18:48 Okoratu: e
2015-11-15 18:48 Avishay: fixeddd
2015-11-15 18:48 Okoratu: 04:00:343 (1,2,3) - as
2015-11-15 18:49 Avishay: 02:49:693 (3,4) - as for this I remoed the 1/8 note
2015-11-15 18:49 Okoratu: 04:19:543 (2) - just looks clusterfuck dum http://puu.sh/lmAOS/d6e33c4761.jpg
2015-11-15 18:50 Okoratu: THANKS
2015-11-15 18:50 Avishay: mehh I will make some distance between those then
2015-11-15 18:50 Avishay: 03:36:943 (2,4,5) - still trying to figure out what toi do then xd
2015-11-15 18:50 Okoratu: 03:37:243 (4,5) - moving these by 4x4y or 8x8y maybe
2015-11-15 18:52 Okoratu: od 9 maybe idk up to you lols
2015-11-15 18:53 Avishay: sure
2015-11-15 18:53 Avishay: more pp xd
2015-11-15 18:53 Avishay: 03:37:243 (4,5) - I created a lightly different pattern, no stacking now
2015-11-15 18:54 Avishay: can I increase the AR a bit? some patterns a circle intense
2015-11-15 18:54 Avishay: are*
2015-11-15 18:54 Okoratu: i had absolutely no problem with 9.2
2015-11-15 18:54 Avishay: alright then
2015-11-15 18:55 Avishay: cool ill update
2015-11-15 18:56 Avishay: done
2015-11-15 18:57 Avishay: lmaoo
2015-11-15 18:57 Okoratu: flower
2015-11-15 18:57 Okoratu: bread
2015-11-15 18:57 Okoratu: egg
2015-11-15 18:57 Okoratu: lettuce
2015-11-15 18:57 Okoratu: nice
2015-11-15 18:57 Okoratu: i always wanted to search for bg images
2015-11-15 18:57 Avishay: gotta describe 'dat background
2015-11-15 18:58 Avishay: the thing is 'flower' is the album name so there isn't too much to add lol
2015-11-15 18:58 Okoratu: http://puu.sh/lmBp3/9a8d91318b.png
2015-11-15 18:58 Okoratu: XD
2015-11-15 18:59 Okoratu: lsslsl malo
2015-11-15 18:59 Okoratu: ff
2015-11-15 18:59 Avishay: xd
2015-11-15 18:59 Okoratu: ffWffefmfIfg
2015-11-15 18:59 Avishay: I think I took the mp3 from rakuen's set
2015-11-15 18:59 Avishay: yep
2015-11-15 18:59 Avishay: it's from there
2015-11-15 19:00 Avishay: prob his pc puked some wrong encoding because of japanese
2015-11-15 19:03 Okoratu: http://puu.sh/lmBGp/715dcc43b0.jpg
2015-11-15 19:03 Avishay: well so far it was just one song
2015-11-15 19:04 Avishay: everything else is sw@g
2015-11-15 19:04 Okoratu: nah he knows what i've mapped since 2012 basically
2015-11-15 19:04 Okoratu: xD
2015-11-15 19:04 Avishay: dark secrets hmm
2015-11-15 19:08 Avishay: can we finish ._.
2015-11-15 19:08 Okoratu: blah
2015-11-15 19:08 Avishay: wat blah
2015-11-15 19:09 Okoratu: http://puu.sh/lmC4g/185a006075.jpg
2015-11-15 19:09 Okoratu: can u replace ur normal-hitclap with http://puu.sh/lmC6T/d9f07d2f3c.wav thank
2015-11-15 19:09 Avishay: mapping-god.com ?
2015-11-15 19:11 Avishay: isn't it the same o.o
2015-11-15 19:11 Avishay: perhaps there was ome delay lol
2015-11-15 19:11 Okoratu: except a few ms in the beginning are missing in this one
2015-11-15 19:11 Avishay: updating eitherway
2015-11-15 19:12 Avishay: bam chakalaka
2015-11-15 19:13 Okoratu: wot was the explanation for the sudden quiet sliderends in the beginning of this thing
2015-11-15 19:13 Okoratu: i still don't really get it
2015-11-15 19:14 Avishay: cuz music volume changes, so I supported it
2015-11-15 19:14 Avishay: 00:07:393 (7,1) - you mean those right
2015-11-15 19:15 Avishay: or
2015-11-15 19:15 Avishay: just because there isn't a note lol
2015-11-15 19:15 Avishay: and I need the slider to make it play well
2015-11-15 19:15 Okoratu: 00:07:993 -
2015-11-15 19:15 Okoratu: no im talking about the volume changes on things with obvious and loud notes
2015-11-15 19:15 Okoratu: lo l
2015-11-15 19:16 Avishay: well it stays the same? o.o
2015-11-15 19:16 Avishay: higher hitsound volume on stronger note
2015-11-15 19:16 Avishay: lower on weaker notes
2015-11-15 19:16 Avishay: relatively loud hitsound on relatively weak note is meh
2015-11-15 19:17 Okoratu: 00:12:493 (1,2,3,4) - 00:10:093 (1,2,3) - wots the difference why asl;dfkj
2015-11-15 19:18 Avishay: um I only lowered the hitsound on 00:12:193 (5) - ?
2015-11-15 19:18 Avishay: both of those have 35%
2015-11-15 19:18 Okoratu: 00:10:393 - has 15%
2015-11-15 19:18 Okoratu: 00:12:493 (1,2,3,4) - have 35
2015-11-15 19:19 Avishay: oh oops I messed up with what yo usent lol
2015-11-15 19:19 Okoratu: these are the voluem changes i don't get
2015-11-15 19:19 Okoratu: like there's some circles ouder than others for reasons i don't really comprehend
2015-11-15 19:19 Okoratu: lol
2015-11-15 19:20 Avishay: oh well I should've probably added the 15% on the other pattern as well
2015-11-15 19:20 Avishay: I did it because it supports the beginning really nicely
2015-11-15 19:20 Avishay: same hitsound level on different strength of notes is mehh
2015-11-15 19:20 Okoratu: the
2015-11-15 19:20 Okoratu: Be
2015-11-15 19:20 Okoratu: gi n n in g
2015-11-15 19:21 Avishay: lmao you make me want to change the diff name already
2015-11-15 19:22 Okoratu: z
2015-11-15 19:23 Okoratu: if it dqs for hitsounding etc then i'll end u ok
2015-11-15 19:23 Okoratu: or because they think ur overmapping doesn't make much sense
2015-11-15 19:23 Okoratu: xd
2015-11-15 19:23 Avishay: im a pro dude
2015-11-15 19:23 Avishay: sec let me update with hte hitsound thingy
2015-11-15 19:25 Avishay: mmmkay it's updated
2015-11-15 19:25 Avishay: and if that's actually going to be dq because of them well
2015-11-15 19:25 Avishay: uck the system
2015-11-15 19:32 Okoratu: so
2015-11-15 19:32 Okoratu: did you do the thigns
2015-11-15 19:33 Avishay: ye I just added 2 hitsound points
2015-11-15 19:33 Okoratu: brb deleting your ma
2015-11-15 19:33 Okoratu: yey i have a pending set xdd
2015-11-15 19:33 Okoratu: adf
2015-11-15 19:33 Okoratu: pressed up and enter
2015-11-15 19:33 Okoratu: xd
2015-11-15 19:33 Avishay: wat o.o
2015-11-15 19:34 Okoratu: i wrote that to zectro and then accidentally pressed up and enter here
2015-11-15 19:34 Avishay: ohh
2015-11-15 19:34 Avishay: lol
2015-11-15 19:34 Okoratu: nice
2015-11-15 19:36 Okoratu: lol
2015-11-15 19:37 Okoratu: this is 5:00:000
2015-11-15 19:37 Avishay: yeppppppppppp
2015-11-15 19:37 Avishay: I am a god
2015-11-15 19:37 Okoratu: why is base sv capped at 3.6
2015-11-15 19:38 Avishay: cuz bpm is 100
2015-11-15 19:38 Okoratu: why
2015-11-15 19:38 Avishay: oh
2015-11-15 19:38 Okoratu: is
2015-11-15 19:38 Okoratu: base sv capped at 3.6
2015-11-15 19:38 Avishay: oops
2015-11-15 19:38 Okoratu: that was a general question
2015-11-15 19:38 Okoratu: i don't get it
2015-11-15 19:38 Avishay: prob could manually edit it like sv above 2.0 or below 0.5
2015-11-15 19:38 Avishay: ask peppy
2015-11-15 19:39 Okoratu: no you can't
2015-11-15 19:39 Okoratu: i tried that
2015-11-15 19:39 Okoratu: it 1. assumes everything >3.6 equals 3.6
2015-11-15 19:39 Okoratu: and will overwrite it with 3.6x in the file if you save
2015-11-15 19:39 Okoratu: it's a really hard limit
2015-11-15 19:39 Avishay: idk then, engine restrictions? xd
2015-11-15 19:40 Okoratu: and for most purposes this is enough but if you mapped a song with 2.0x sv and then have to have bpm
2015-11-15 19:40 Okoratu: you're basically doomed to slap green lines everywhere
2015-11-15 19:40 Okoratu: l ol
2015-11-15 19:41 Avishay: there are a lot of problems with editing maps
2015-11-15 19:41 Avishay: problems like this
2015-11-15 19:41 Avishay: or other necessary tools
2015-11-15 19:41 Okoratu: at least we got 6.0x ds now
2015-11-15 19:41 Avishay: lol
2015-11-15 19:41 Avishay: I made a program to mass add timing points
2015-11-15 19:41 Avishay: really useful
2015-11-15 19:43 Avishay: http://puu.sh/lmEn6/7f3f5f62a6.png
2015-11-15 19:43 Avishay: crappy UI but it works
2015-11-15 19:47 Okoratu: ok so
2015-11-15 19:47 Okoratu: i don't think i have any more complaints that you think are worth listening to
2015-11-15 19:48 Avishay: im amazing i know
2015-11-15 19:50 Okoratu: ok
2015-11-15 19:50 Okoratu: ok
2015-11-15 19:50 Okoratu: do i have to provide logs

Baraatje123 wrote:

Next BN wrote:

#2

Krfawy wrote:

Not my type but still more playable than 2015.


#1

Log wrote:

2015-11-15 16:38 Okoratu: my main issue with it is that you take consistency and throw it out of your list of concepts

Yuii- wrote:

Alright, so I want to throw in a couple of suggestions/things:

Slider Velocity is too high. Subjective.
Approach rate is too high. Subjetive.
OD is too high. Subjective. tho it might be a bit overdone, okoratu suggested it, but I still think it's fine
01:10:993 (1,1) - This is the most marvelous stack I've even seen in this game. It's not a stack.
You should really take a look at other people's maps in order to know how to build jumps, they don't flow at all, and have inconsistent spacing between each object.
You have 4 unsnapped sliders by 1 ms: 01:53:293 (1) - 02:04:393 (4) - 02:05:143 (2) - 02:05:593 (3) - . AIMod says nothing? It clearly doesn't matter?
Combo colour 5 is a bit too random. Do I really need to comment on that?
You're hella inconsistent with your patterns and the way you build them. 40 different rhythms for the same verse. Variety is fine, but sometimes mapping anything in a different way rather than the "best one" may sound bad.
Too many velocity changes/spots, why? Come on.
Some sections are mapped in a very "calm" way whereas the same things are overmapped. You want to make this overmapped or calm? There's no middle point.
00:51:868 (5) - Full whistle sounds terrible. I disagree, it's short and cool imo.

Irreversible wrote:

Hey Avishay

Log wrote:

2015-11-15 16:38 Okoratu: my main issue with it is that you take consistency and throw it out of your list of concepts

DQ'd for basically this reason, as well as overmapped and the general state of how overdone this map is.

Beginning

The main issue with this map is the overmap in the kiai's clearly. Instead of telling you which ones you should delete, I'll list up the ones you can keep (speaking of kiai only). Hm, that's kinda absurd, I find my 1/8 notes emphasizing the song, yeah most of them might be overmapped but it is clearly widely used in the current mapping-meta, I could give you more than several exmaples.
01:26:743 - 01:45:943 - 01:55:543 - 03:31:543 - 03:41:143 - 04:00:343 - 04:29:143 -
The rest of your 1/8 simply does not belong to this song, because there is no reason to, at all. The other parts also contains overmap, listen to it again, it's really obvious.

I do see that everyone interpretes songs differently, however, this has clearly gone overboard. This song is relatively calm, and I do not see such a usage of jumps. There are a lot of opportunities to tone the difficulty down, for example 03:06:493 (1,2,3,4,5) - . You said you want to emphasize vocals, but there's no vocals here, nor strong beats. Unfortunately, the whole map is spiked with those so you really gotta rework a lot of that stuff. Do you want to talk about Genryuu Kaiko then? Obviously I do emphasize vocals, but I emphasize notes that I find strong as well.

Emphasis is bad too, sometimes. Example: 01:10:993 (1) - . Could use more spacing, because the vocals are really emphasized here, why not taking this opportunity? Next example: the anti jumps are killing the movement enitrely, you've used them fairly often. 01:11:443 (1) - .. why is it so close? makes no sense. Emphasizition comes in a big variety, some might do this and some might do that, in this certain pattern I chouse the movement of 01:10:693 (3) - along with the increased SV of the slider. As for the anti-jump, the placement of the circle is meant to make some drawback along with the halt of the vocals and then it gets resumed at 01:11:593 (2) -

Your NCing is inconsistent too, you should look at it again. It seems like you've just sometimes put a NC, sometimes not. Would appreciate specific problematic NCing since it clearly doesn't the way the map plays, mostly I could tell you why there's a NC there.

These examples should be enough to give you an idea how to improve the map and make it ready for the qualified section, listing up more would not make sense; it's basically the same stuff over and over.

Good luck with further processing.

Avishay wrote:

Hm, that's kinda absurd, I find my 1/8 notes emphasizing the song, yeah most of them might be overmapped but it is clearly widely used in the current mapping-meta, I could give you more than several exmaples.

Avishay wrote:

Do you want to talk about Genryuu Kaiko then? Obviously I do emphasize vocals, but I emphasize notes that I find strong as well.

Avishay wrote:

Emphasizition comes in a big variety, some might do this and some might do that, in this certain pattern I chouse the movement of 01:10:693 (3) - along with the increased SV of the slider. As for the anti-jump, the placement of the circle is meant to make some drawback along with the halt of the vocals and then it gets resumed at 01:11:593 (2) -

Avishay wrote:

Would appreciate specific problematic NCing since it clearly doesn't the way the map plays, mostly I could tell you why there's a NC there.

Irreversible wrote:

Avishay wrote:

Hm, that's kinda absurd, I find my 1/8 notes emphasizing the song, yeah most of them might be overmapped but it is clearly widely used in the current mapping-meta, I could give you more than several exmaples.

You just said it yourself, it is overmapped. Fix it up. You are telling me that overmapping is wrong / disallowed? I'm sorry but the recent maps in the Ranked section are saying completely otherwise.

Avishay wrote:

Do you want to talk about Genryuu Kaiko then? Obviously I do emphasize vocals, but I emphasize notes that I find strong as well.

No I don't want to talk about it, the spotlight is on your map. I explained you that everyone can interprete something different, as long as it doesn't go over board, and this exactly does this. How exactly is my map going overboard, how are jumps (which are not even full screen spam) with strong vocals or beats are overboard? I didn't spam the map with one huge stream when there's completely nothing. The notes are always supported by strong vocals or beats, it's not overboard.

Avishay wrote:

Emphasizition comes in a big variety, some might do this and some might do that, in this certain pattern I chouse the movement of 01:10:693 (3) - along with the increased SV of the slider. As for the anti-jump, the placement of the circle is meant to make some drawback along with the halt of the vocals and then it gets resumed at 01:11:593 (2) -

You have 300 different types of variation, which shows that it's basically random without concept. Random means without concept, I can say clearly that I have concept in at least 95% of my patterns. I'll agree that I don't have a single structure that I tend to follow or use in my patterns, but that's the beauty of the way I do it, I don't find it mandatory to follow the same thing over and over.

Avishay wrote:

Would appreciate specific problematic NCing since it clearly doesn't the way the map plays, mostly I could tell you why there's a NC there.

00:05:293 (3) - Why not NC? 00:03:643 (1) - You made one here. I made a NC there because of the pause between 00:03:343 (5,1) -
00:06:193 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Why did you place no NC here, no logic with before. No SV changes, a single full pattern without breaks.
00:23:593 (1) - Why NC, no strong beat, no vocal start, nothing. Indication of anti-jumps end.
00:37:693 (4) - According to your logic this should be NC I actually agree on this one.
I'll stop here because you follow the piano, the vocals, just everything with placing a NC which makes it messy, unreadable, unlogical.
Oh, 00:38:593 (1,1,1,2,1,2) - and why these have so many SVs, I don't even. Slight SV changes with vocals while their intensity increases, the slow down is because of the slowdown in the vocals.

Avishay wrote:

I can say clearly that I have concept in at least 95% of my patterns.

Yuii- wrote:

Avishay wrote:

I can say clearly that I have concept in at least 95% of my patterns.

1. 00:03:643 (1,2,1) - After the halt there's a small jump with the drum, the movement of the slider represents the music really well and then the strong beat is hitting in a really nice way.
2. 00:06:193 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - First of all, it has nice looks, now if you listen closely (25% playback rate) you'll see that the pattern is affected completely by the music, it is based strongly on it.
3. 00:08:143 (2,1,2,3) - I decided to use antijumps here because well, it compliments the song, there's a note at 00:08:493 (1/6 snap), mapping it was my first move but it was pretty awkward, there's a drum right after, so mapping them both is not ideal, I decided to map just the drum while creating the impresiion that the player presses on them both, or at least is close to.
4. 00:08:893 (3,1) - Can you really call it random? My intention here seems pretty obvious with the execution.

Natsu wrote:

btw just wonder about artist: YURiCa/HANATAN they are the same person iirc, probably ask some Japanese QATs opinion? tbh I feel just Hanatan or YURICa its better. Also Hanatan shouldn't be in CAPS, since is like that on CD just for design purpose.

We did have a similar discussion before with Melophobia, Kshr, Oracle and Gero about this:
1 - p/3407933
2 - p/3407904

Natsu wrote:

btw just wonder about artist: YURiCa/HANATAN they are the same person iirc, probably ask some Japanese QATs opinion? tbh I feel just Hanatan or YURICa its better. Also Hanatan shouldn't be in CAPS, since is like that on CD just for design purpose.

We did have a similar discussion before with Melophobia, Kshr, Oracle and Gero about this:
1 - p/3407933
2 - p/3407904

neonat wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3948780
I believe this can be relevant for this album, and the other older albums like Flower Drops and Summer☆Syrup if you want, personally I would like YURiCa/Hanatan but I don't know about others, like what went on in my map.

because really that HANATAN part...

and the cordelia site is no longer around

Asphyxia wrote:

Just my two cents.

Some of the overmaps would be much better off as 1/2 though, especially the ones in the choruses. Since the choruses already offer enough rhythm diversity from actual 1/4's, I think keeping rest of it as 1/2 would be much more beneficial and it'd just feel overall much better with the song. I'm talking about overmaps like 01:44:143 (2,3,1) - , 01:49:318 (4) - , 01:54:118 (2) - , 03:43:993 (2,3) - , 03:48:868 (2) - and so on... (01:43:243 (5,6,7) - if you're going to do this, you might as well could try silencing the slider ends, since they don't have any beats to support their ends) I picked those notes to emphasize the vocals mostly, I could probably remove those, change the pattern to support the vocals in a different way (sliders, spacing, whatever). However I feel that those 1/4 (1/8) are fine as they are, and removing them will force me to change the struct of the patterns and it is probably not a good idea.

Slowdowns such as 01:53:293 (1) - and 03:58:093 (1) - feel weird to play, because you're still in the intense chorus part, you want to move fast. I personally don't think a slowdowns fit in the first place, but it seems that you think they fit. That being the case, I'd recommend using something faster, like 0,9 slider velo? That wouldn't feel nearly as anti-climatic as these do currently. That's the cool thing, you are moving with the intensity of the strong drums and then the long ring is coming, stopping the strong drums and the player continiues with the slider that follows the ring. I like the way the sliders go with the instrument so I am persistent on keeping it.

Lastly, I think this suffers a lot for the very same reasons as your Rolling Star map, you might remember that, but maybe that's just me... :p Map tries to be so many different things, yet it ends up being a little random in general. 04:05:293 (1) - Also, if you're going for symmetry, you might as well do it properly because this looks really off, especially when you have 04:05:893 (3,4) - these which are perfectly symmetrical. A while ago I took a look on Rolling Star, I realised how much better it could've been, but I was not experienced enough to see what stuff I could change, from poor asthetics to overall feel, I started remapping it but I lazied out in the end, I might get to it some time. I have paid a lot of attention to this map and it might be random in general, as long as it isn't wonky or completely erm, stupid, it's completely fine. Oh and for that slider, I don't know how no one noticed it by far, fixed.

Anyhow, best of luck with your map!

Hula wrote:

Okay. So, you got a map disqualified.

This map was disqualified was for consistency reasons and on top of that an overarching overmapping issue. You should now decide how you're going to respond to this. People do this in one of two ways, they either accept the dq and make changes no matter how drastic they are or just grave the map, or they can take your approach and become irrational and argue irrelevant points.

Don't try to justify your map's overmap on the basis of other questionable maps' ranked status. Irreversible is one person, there's between 6 and 9 standard qualifications a day, do you want him to check every single mapset himself and dq them? (Irre is like the only active QAT right now that's dqing - which is what this system is all about).

For me what's most wrong with this map is probably the overuse of 1/4 and the spacing accompanying it. Also the lack of consistency in patterns and spacing.

One example. 01:33:493 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is a frequently recurring theme within the kiai which SHOULD be emphasised. It is. But, it's not consistent by a long shot. 01:43:093 (3,4,5,6,7) - the hell? sliders? 01:52:693 (1,2,3,4) - Now we get a nearly full screen star jump. 02:02:443 (1,2,3,4) - Now we have a pretty tame square.

This is an example of how not to be consistent. 1/4 sliders play a lot differently to star patterns and star patterns play a lot differently to much smaller squares.

In regards to those 1/8 triples being slapped in for the sake of it. Sure, they play fine, are they part of the song's rhythm in either backbeat or vocals? NOPE. So, you remove them. They don't fit.


@Monstrata Seriously, stop trying to cockblock Irre's attempts at being a QAT. He's a fucking guy, the only guy on QAT doing what QAT were instructed to do. Disqualify maps which don't meet decent standards.

This map needs a lot of work doing to it, especially in the consistency department. It is probably the fact that the inconsistently exacerbates the overmapping issue, though I would address both.

I might seem a bit pissy in this post. Cos I am, this sort of nonsense in response to mods which are aimed at helping people is so damn off putting and makes me not want to sign in. IDK how Irre puts up with this sort of shit and still wants to be such an integral part of this community.

Avishay wrote:

And? conept != consistency.

I am talking about concept between specific patterns, not the map overall.

As I said in the chat with Okoratu, if I find the consistency fitting to my likes in a certain part in the map / song, I'll use it.

monstrata wrote:

Overmapping =/= poor quality.

DQ'ing solely on the basis that something is "overmapped" just isn't a valid quality reason. "You just said it yourself, it is overmapped. Fix it up."

monstrata wrote:

That's just limiting new horizons.

monstrata wrote:

Plenty of maps have overmapped parts. You should really ask yourself why something is overmapped before telling someone to fix it. Otherwise mappers are just going to be angry because you single them out but allow many other maps with overmapped sections to pass.

monstrata wrote:

Looking at the map some parts are indeed overmapped but I don't see these overmapped 1/8's being problematic in terms of playability, nor flow.

monstrata wrote:

Do they make patterns awkward, or visually unappealing? For me, the only one i didn't really like was 03:48:493 (1,2,3) -. The others were fine. Are they difficult to read? No. Does this rhythm choice harm the map? I would actually say this rhythm choice fits the map because it adds rhythm diversity to a map that is trying to be difficult, and contributes to an overall denser rhythm choice, which fits when the map is 5.76 stars. (It's also funny because removing the "overmapped 1/8s" does nothing to lower star rating anyways. The map doesn't become any less difficult, just less dense.). In conclusion, no. I would say the 1/8's are overmapped but do not contribute to a loss of quality in the map. Therefore, why fix something that isn't broken?

Avishay wrote:

It's like people are forgetting the most important aspect of the game, enjoying it.

Irreversible wrote:

And it's like you forget that this is a rhythm game, and that there is something called rules. Yeah, the ranking criteria is pretty outdated. But it should even be seeable for you, that you should follow the song and not invent a new one.

handsome wrote:

stop using past ranked maps to justify your mistakes

byfar wrote:

just dropping by and giving my 2 cents

didnt look at the map, but im pretty sure that as long as you silence the slider ends (or not) and that it fits with the song (such as slightly held out longer beats, etc) it should be fine.

a lot of maps that contain extended 3/4 sliders (which acts as a hold note for held vocals, despite not having an actual beat on the 3/4) are currently ranked and can still be ranked iirc

Irreversible wrote:

Silenced ends are indeed a good technique to fully emphasize vocals.

01:53:893 (1,2,3,4) - Still overmapped. Please listen closely, delete the note and you'll hear a note there.
01:51:793 (3,4,5) - Could benefit of being silenced, too. I have no objections, alright.
02:43:693 (5,1) - Why is it NC'd like this? Shouldn't it be on the downbeat? Moved NC to 02:43:393 (1) -

My opinion is simply that you should get more mods

1. A song.
2. Something you can play.
3. The mapper's song interpretation.

1. Circles, which are simply pressed by the player to present a beat that exists in the music. (However in the current mapping-meta circles are starting to be used for different emphasizations, which I'll discuss later)
2. Sliders, which can be used to present held instruments in the song, held vocals, or just a connecting point between two beats. I should add that sliders are manifold, you can do so much with them, the options are limited.
3. Spinners, which well, you spin. (I don't really spinners that much, but they are useful)
4. Hitsounds, which are a big core in the concept of a rhythm game such as osu!, personally it gives me huge satisfaction to hear them play perfectly with the rhythm. You could use them to enhance the way the map is played or the song is heard, hitsounds are not necessarily tied to the song and in my opinion should not be most of the time as well. Hitsounds are used to get the player in the rhythm and beat, to strengthen the song and many more.
5. Timing points, which are a must, because well, you need to be tied to some rhythm the song creates, and yes, this is a critical thing in mapping, so it can't be anything less than perfect.
6. Inherited Points (SV modifiers), which are not used every time and everywhere, but it helps the mapper to express himself a bit better.

1. Leaving the map as it is, letting it die slowly and get to the beatmap graveyard (no worries you can still download and play those).
2. Getting the beatmap more exposure by using the ranking system, if you'll get your beatmap ranked, leaderboards, performance points and ratings are going to be enabled, along with the appearance on the ranked section in the website.

1. Self acceptance - Your map, your interpretation, you are pretty much the map itself, you should be able to accept yourself.
2. Other mappers' acceptance, or modders / modding - Other mappers are taking a look at your map, they will point their dissatisfactions with your map, usually with their way of thought and a small explanation in order to get you to understand their perspective. Mappers will respond to the modders, usually if they accepted the notes / suggestions, and if not, usually an explanation is added (sadly this is not true to all cases).
3. Experienced mappers' acceptance, or BNs / Beatmap Nominators - Those people volunteered and then picked by the community managers to stand in the way through the ranking process, they are doing the same thing as less experienced modders do, but usually have better understanding of beatmap terms such as flow, patterns or anything else to have a fun beatmap to play. In order to get your map ranked you need two beatmap nominators to accept your map, the first acceptance will be presented as a bubble icon, and the second acceptance will be your entrance to the qualified section with the heart icon. (please note that for approval maps - non-set mapsets the acceptance requires 3 BNs or 2 bubbles and 1 approval icon)
4. Super-experienced mappers' acceptance, or QAT / a member in the Quality Assurance Team - You're just one step before getting to the ranked section, you are in the qualified section waiting to get through the qualified maps queue and having your desire come true. However, although experienced mappers' have accepted it, there might be unrankable issues in your map such as transgressing the criteria or a lot of 'quality' problems which in the QAT's opinion are ruining the experience of playing the beatmap.

1. M.Iz - Kakenukeru Anime Song Medley IV
2. AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks - MIIRO vs. Ai no Scenario
   There's not too much to say on his maps, they are widely accepted and enjoyed by almost everyone.

1. EGOIST - Fallen (TV Edit) - Obviously I am referring just to the Extra difficulty, which is a collab with Irreversible, fanzhen and Skystar. This map spits out creativity and irregularity, some people find it really weird and not fun, some of those will ask why is it even ranked, while the others are enjoying it, perhaps because of differences in skill levels or other reasons. I will add and say, there are overmapped objects, notes that are not present in the song or artifical rhythms created by the mappers.
2. Hanatan - Tengaku & Hanatan - Kagerou Variation, Starting @09:24:962 - Yeah, it's great in my opinion, but you can't ignore the huge use of circles in triplets, and I'll tell you something, they don't even exist, they're overmapped, and I think it's great.

1. Mapping is abstract, subjective, huge, it can not be static, mostly it is not the same between different mappers, but it is possible. In addition to mapping, mappers, players and gameplay are pretty much the same.
2. Ranking is not and cannot be objective, never.
3. One problem which is derived from the previous statement - two mappers might be as good as each other, one might have some friends, connections, which could lead to easier ranking progression, this problem is not that easy to solve, amongst the pool of people that don't really have those 'connections' there are bad mappers and good mappers, BNs are doing their job volunteeringly and you bet they can't check everyone's map, I'm sure it's tough.
4. An other problem - some people will dislike a mapper's choice, it can come in different ways: The song, the patterns, the hitsounds, the asthetics, anything. I'd like to refer to something BlueDragon said almost a year ago on Genryuu Kaiko's thread:
   

   Blue Dragon wrote:

   OH NO people have different opinions!
   
   What if the maps that you consider good, are actually 1/2 spam with no spacing which people worship as "the best maps" such as some of caren's or silynn's maps, that barely follow anything in the ranking criteria and have zero technical qualify?
   People should know that maps that get ranked are the ones who have rankable quality. If you don't like it, someone else does. That's why it got ranked in the first place. People should really acknowledge that other people have different opinions.
   
   "This map is an overmapped piece of shit, it's not an opinion, it's a fact! just listen to the music guys, you're wrong and i'm right!!!!!"

   This is pretty much the essence of this post, there's something completely wrong here.
   @Irreversible:
   
5. In relation to the previous problem, I feel like there's bias in the community, known mappers are passing through qualification with the same said 'problems' that other people have in their maps. I should say that the QATs went through different changes lately, more transpernancy, more discussion and such, yet the problem persists.
6. @Irreversible:
   
   Is it just me, or does it seem completely absurd? You are contradicting yourself, just the fact that other people are doing it yet are not addressed is a red flag.

Raiden wrote:

holy shit avishay

don't wanna give the party popping but if so many people tell you something (and they know what they do) then it probably means that something xd

Feb wrote:

actually genryuu kaiko has premanent 1/4's but the sounds are imo not very audible.

"Leaving the map as it is, letting it die slowly and get to the beatmap graveyard (no worries you can still download and play those)"

Smokeman wrote:

IF your interpretation looks "flawed" or not "quite there yet" in the eyes of clearly more experienced ppl, then you should reconcider what you are doing here. NOONE wants to fuck your shit up. NOONE will gain anything from that. All these ppl modding and giving suggestions do it because they love doing this: mapping songs and helping others.