Agreed. As I said, commentating is a research-heavy task, and as such it is definitely time consuming. So it would be best to split up the wordload, at best between people that already have lots of knowledge. Crowdsourcing is an interesting idea, but I wonder how that would look like in practice.chainpullz wrote:
I like seeing a lot of these two particularly but it's also extremely time consuming to dig through all the participants and all the maps and assemble a proper set of notes on them for use in commentating. To aid in this perhaps next year we could have a place where community members could contribute information on specific players (perhaps like a thread per team) and a place for discussion of each map (or pool). That way commentators would be able to probe the thoughts and experiences of the community without having to actually ask around. For each lesser known player there are probably people who they are friends with that could provide a lot of information.Railey2 wrote:
SPOILERB) Information about the players.
There are at least 8 players present per game, so theres lots of information the commentators could draw out from that.Theres lots of things to be said, in fact there are so many things to be said that someone who did all the research would probably not run out throughout a 1 hour game.
- Did some of the players compete in prior OWC's?
- Are they well-known mappers, maybe? If yes, what are some of their most famous maps?
- Were they in the top10 at some point?
- Is there anything notable about their top-plays? Do they have a top-performance on the map that is currently played, maybe?
- When did they join osu?
- Are they mods themselves, or BAT's or maybe even QAT's?
- What are their strong points, are they hidden or hardrock players, or nomod or DT, or allrounders? What are their weaknesses?
The commentators already mention many things, but there still is a lot more to say about the people that participate - or about the people that don't participate.
C) Information about the maps.
Doomsday did a good job at giving a quick analysis of the map-pool for the upcoming round. Theres lots of things to be said about maps, and lots of it already gets said, but for the sake of completeness I'll make another list here.Lots of this is done already, and that is one of the reasons why I enjoyed the commentary so much this time around.
- How old are the maps? Are they ahead of their time?
- Who mapped them? Is the mapper known for other, famous maps?
- What about the song? Do we have famous maps that include songs of the same artist? What genre is the song? Is it well known?
- How popular is the map?
- Who holds the top-score on the map? Anything notable about it? Any other famous plays on that map?
- With what mod-combinations is the map popular?
- If it is part of a map-set, is there something to say about the other difficulties?
- Is the map technical, does it have scary jumps or particularly hard parts that many people choke on?
I said something about this on one of the group info videos - it's hard to be hyped up about matches involving players you don't know or a map pool you are unfamiliar with. It might just be me, but I care more about the individuals playing than the specific country/team they are playing for.
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Really? I checked last year's bracket and it wasn't like #1 of Group A,B,C,D will be in the same area though.Loctav wrote:
Above unofficial bracket is properly constructed.
Like this one:http://puu.sh/lePoX/5ff6f818ed.jpg It's A1/H2 , F1/C2 , E1/D2 , B1/G2 in the same half.
Or you mean this kind of drawing is changed this year?
Most things have already said by the quality posts above; beginning was rather dull, ending was pretty good.
Question: Can ppy change the chat/score thing so that the client automatically changes from chat -> score as the match starts and from score -> chat as soon as the result screens fade out? Forgetting to change that can happen, but it's somewhat annoying to not know who's winning 50% into the map.
Thailand lives! Thank you Singapore!
by the way, Hong Kong having one lost match with only 3 game losses?
by the way, Hong Kong having one lost match with only 3 game losses?
Malaysian hype
It will be so good to have senya/Halozy/3L/Demetori/DarkPhoenix maps in every map-pooooooollll :33 *get slapped hard for being a 2hufag ;n;*
07th Expansion/zts, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Yousei Tekoku as well~~ *CHOKESLAMMED*
07th Expansion/zts, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Yousei Tekoku as well~~ *CHOKESLAMMED*
Thank you Railey for typing it out in such a detailed manner. I am sure if the commentators take these points seriously, it will improve the commentating a lot.Railey2 wrote:
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And even if finding out things about players and maps can be reasearch-heavy, thats exactly what a colour caster should be doing; And with people like Doomsday, who already know many maps naturally, it shouldnt be too difficult. It is rather the question of allowing it or not - But then again, a healthy balance should be found, and as Loctav (or was it Loctav?) stated it, the commentating should be newbie friendly for the most part. But then again, there sometimes is a sudden moment of silence for a minute where teams are deciding which map to pick, where discussion like that would be very welcome in my opinion.
Regarding the interactivity with the participants and audience, well - it was difficult for the majority of the matches due to a very crammed schedule in which one game followed the next one. But now with the knockout-stages, i would indeed welcome pre or postgame interviews a lot. Same goes for interacting with the audience naturally, now that there is time between two matches.
But that should not sound critical at all. As many people have already stated, the commentating has improved greatly over the course of the tournament! I am looking forward to the upcoming matches
Good luck everyone that is participating for the upcoming rounds!
Topic Starter
Added the knock-out bracket to the wiki. Thanks for the detailed feedback so far, especially to Railey2.
Should've been 7 isn't it? 4-1 Italy, 4-2 Lithuania and 2-4 lost to FranceKaruta- wrote:
Thailand lives! Thank you Singapore!
by the way, Hong Kong having one lost match with only 3 game losses?
Seems like the statistic overview was wrong, its just as kuur0 saidKaruta- wrote:
Thailand lives! Thank you Singapore!
by the way, Hong Kong having one lost match with only 3 game losses?
Correct me if i'm wrong. But isn't this the first time Canada has made it to the round of 16 
dear me, I wouldn't have noticed that cause Canada played so well against England in owc 2013 so I would have thought that they have been able to make itSi1entKiTTeh wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong. But isn't this the first time Canada has made it to the round of 16
Canada for the past few years seemed to always have a really tough group apparently... So Canada hypee hope they can make it far this year.Karuta- wrote:
dear me, I wouldn't have noticed that cause Canada played so well against England in owc 2013 so I would have thought that they have been able to make itSi1entKiTTeh wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong. But isn't this the first time Canada has made it to the round of 16
^Bere wrote:
BRASIL HYPE
people seem to forget Brazil has always performed well. Even since OWC #1
Will you publish stats on how many banners for each team were bought? Would be nice to see teams with biggest "following" on here.
owc #1 bring me feels-Ryuujii- wrote:
^Bere wrote:
BRASIL HYPE
people seem to forget Brazil has always performed well. Even since OWC #1
let's talk about owc #2 it makes me better
Remember when Norway made it out of groups.
And met Korea.
And it was single elimination.
it was sad.
And met Korea.
And it was single elimination.
it was sad.
Got Poland this year : DCXu wrote:
Remember when Norway made it out of groups.
And met Korea.
And it was single elimination.
it was sad.
but double elimination
Oh no. Hong Kong vs Germany....
If I remember correctly... Hong Kong lost to Germany back in 2013.
;W;
If I remember correctly... Hong Kong lost to Germany back in 2013.
;W;
If you would have told me that USA vs. Taiwan would have been a first round matchup in the knockout stage two months ago, I would have slapped you for stupidity. Crazy how things change. Scorev2 has really impacted some teams this tournament.
Not like Taiwan would beat Austria with Score v1... They lost the maps against 3/4 FCs, mangekyou would probably be close (as it was now) but other than that Austria would still win, they are just top tier team in disguise.Xayne wrote:
If you would have told me that USA vs. Taiwan would have been a first round matchup in the knockout stage two months ago, I would have slapped you for stupidity. Crazy how things change. Scorev2 has really impacted some teams this tournament.
^Jetzu wrote:
Not like Taiwan would beat Austria with Score v1... They lost the maps against 3/4 FCs, mangekyou would probably be close (as it was now) but other than that Austria would still win, they are just top tier team in disguise.Xayne wrote:
If you would have told me that USA vs. Taiwan would have been a first round matchup in the knockout stage two months ago, I would have slapped you for stupidity. Crazy how things change. Scorev2 has really impacted some teams this tournament.
Forz's rank decay strategy seems to have fooled the community into thinking Austria isn't a top tier team kek.
Rank doesn't mean a whole lot in a tournament/multiplayer setting in the first place lol... Other than seedings maybe.
edit: for now
edit: for now
rank means a lot more in the higher stages of the tournament, because the maps are harder
in the early stages, lower ranks are more than capable of fcing the maps with good accuracy. I'd say the rank gap in the finals will be quite clear
in the early stages, lower ranks are more than capable of fcing the maps with good accuracy. I'd say the rank gap in the finals will be quite clear
Are you a psychic and knew Taiwan was going to be grouped with a team like Austria two months ago?Jetzu wrote:
Not like Taiwan would beat Austria with Score v1... They lost the maps against 3/4 FCs, mangekyou would probably be close (as it was now) but other than that Austria would still win, they are just top tier team in disguise.Xayne wrote:
If you would have told me that USA vs. Taiwan would have been a first round matchup in the knockout stage two months ago, I would have slapped you for stupidity. Crazy how things change. Scorev2 has really impacted some teams this tournament.
It depends a lot on the map pool. Players like Hvick/WWW/Rafis/Axarious/Elysion/etc are capable of playing much much more difficult maps than most of the lower ranking players. It's feasible to pick a map pool such that only these players are even capable of passing the map. I expect lower ranked players to get weeded out as the map pool gets progressively more difficult but also expect extremely under-ranked players like omgforz to stay strong.kuur0 wrote:
Rank doesn't mean a whole lot in a tournament/multiplayer setting in the first place lol... Other than seedings maybe.
edit: for now
lelchainpullz wrote:
It's feasible to pick a map pool such that only these players are even capable of passing the map.
You saying "Scorev2 has really impacted some teams this tournament." implied that Taiwan (or USA) would have different standing if OWC used Score v1, I just replied to it saying that Austria would still win with Score v1, if I was wrong in my understanding then I don't understand why you'd say anything about Score v2 in the first place.Xayne wrote:
Are you a psychic and knew Taiwan was going to be grouped with a team like Austria two months ago?
We are aiming to have a minimum $5,000 cash prize pool for this world cup. We will be announcing a way you can help raise funds for the prize pool shortly, so stay tuned!That's some long shortly...
Plz tell me where to send my moneyz.
profile banners..zyvik wrote:
We are aiming to have a minimum $5,000 cash prize pool for this world cup. We will be announcing a way you can help raise funds for the prize pool shortly, so stay tuned!That's some long shortly...
Plz tell me where to send my moneyz.
it's been out since groups, they're $2.50USD i believe in osu store
Ty, I had no idea that such thing exsists... Well, I belive its time to update wiki thena loli wrote:
profile banners..
it's been out since groups, they're $2.50USD i believe in osu store
yeah they did ;w; but that was still an exciting match to watch though! iirc they picked freedom dive for warm up and mb blue zenith?Athrun wrote:
Oh no. Hong Kong vs Germany....
If I remember correctly... Hong Kong lost to Germany back in 2013.
;W;
Makan1 wrote:
yeah they did ;w; but that was still an exciting match to watch though! iirc they picked freedom dive for warm up and mb blue zenith?Athrun wrote:
Oh no. Hong Kong vs Germany....
If I remember correctly... Hong Kong lost to Germany back in 2013.
;W;
I recall Blue Zenith in the 2014 finals, not sure about 2013 though.
Yeah they picked Freedom Dive as a warmup and cptnXn, Cookeasy were the only one who could actually play it xD, not too sure about blue zenith though, I think the other warmup was a different mapMakan1 wrote:
yeah they did ;w; but that was still an exciting match to watch though! iirc they picked freedom dive for warm up and mb blue zenith?Athrun wrote:
Oh no. Hong Kong vs Germany....
If I remember correctly... Hong Kong lost to Germany back in 2013.
;W;
didn't fir3ko/firmament use HR? Holy crap.Makan1 wrote:
yeah they did ;w; but that was still an exciting match to watch though! iirc they picked freedom dive for warm up and mb blue zenith?Athrun wrote:
Oh no. Hong Kong vs Germany....
If I remember correctly... Hong Kong lost to Germany back in 2013.
;W;
Placing bets on Poland.... But have I support team USA on my profile..... USA!
Rucker and Uan are brothers :O
Never knew that.
Never knew that.