Endaris wrote:

Hello fellow chatter. I'm not a BN but I'll still throw a low quality mod at you

Hitsounds
I'll just discuss this a bit, you can see the specific problem in the respective mods for the diffs:
The additional finish-hitsound that makes that bright sound is often used in bad context. This means it is either completely displaced or connected to an idea that didn't get executed properly. The problematic thing about is that it resonates for a lot longer than you would expect from a usual hitsound(slightly longer than 1/2) which causes it to feel weird when there isn't a 2/1-space to the next note due to it sort of overlapping with the next note.
+ In terms of character it doesn't fit on the spots where some people shout "HEY!" so find an alternative for this too.

tl;dr use it in places where it actually gets a chance to echo. Look for a different finish in the other cases: Lower pitch, more brief, less echo. The characteristic sound type of the current one(No clue what you call that) isn't even bad but it's too much.

Ok, so, I guess we have to clarify what the meaning of "hitsound" is: for a rhythm game the most important factor is to give feedback to the player on how he's performing during his play. Till now nothing to say, right?
The point I'm trying to put in consideration is that what you're trying to suggest can be interpreted into 2 ways:
1) You're saying that the mapper should follow the music perfectly and use only instruments that are pertinent to the song (in this meaning you go against the definition of hitsounding, since you'll end up using the same instruments of the song, resulting in 0 feedback at all) (I admit that this is a bit out of question in this case, but someone could still understand it that way)
2) The suggestion is made on a purely subjective basis. Since the hitsounds need to create a sort of feedback the mapper can use fitting hitsounds to create his own layer into the song, which is what I did in those few places where I put that finish you mentioned. Tbh I find that hitsound really nice and it isn't overused anyways, but gives a little spicing up to the whole map.

Also, regarding the "length" of this hitsound: have you ever heard the default normal-hitfinish? Imo is at least as long as my hitsound

tl;dr Even if this sounds bad to be said after all the reasoning, as long as you give me personal reasons I have a wide range of excuses to make in case I don't agree due to "my" personal reasons, even if I tried to clarify this as objectively as possible in this circumstance

AsaNe's Easy

1. 00:47:690 (5) - I think shortening this slider and letting it end on 00:48:469 with a whistle while adding a single at 00:48:859 with the clap plays very nicely as it allows you to keep up your 2/1 whistle pattern while catching the long violinsound. And as this is an Easy it won't even ruin your spacing

1. 00:50:807 (1) - ^same pattern, but here you could also match it with 00:44:573 (1,2) - for the sake of variation. Personally I like the 2/1 slider more! From what I was able to see, both 00:47:690 (5,1) - follow an entire "movement" of the violin, since it would be too complex to follow it entirely the right way. Imo this feels quite right in this instance since it resembles the ideal of "Easy diff". Also, I find that the 3/1 sliders give far more variation than a simple 2/1 which is used almost everywhere else (on other maps, I mean)

1. 00:53:534 I would like this to be mapped with a circle as you never left out a big beat of the drums unless you wanted to accentuate a strong note of the violin. Here is no violin so I'd recommend you to not skip this for the sake of consistency. Another thing to notice is that there's no new section starting which is why a pause doesn't make much sense. From what I can see, the whole brown combo is following purely the violin. The hitsounds were from my diffs, that's why you thought about drums probably: sorry for that, but I remember AsaNe saying the same thing before so I guess I'll leave it empty for now. Last thing: adding a circle there would increase the vehemency of that part, making it unbalanced with the rest of the diff since there aren't any other places with so many circles (I'd like to avoid remapping hers parts since this isn't a collab, nor I want to interpret things in a different way from hers

1. 00:57:040 (1) - In the following section Lindsey Stirling clearly follows a 2/1 pattern with the peaks of her improvisation. If we draw the melody she goes like this:
   
   Gorgeous Artworks

   
   This visualizes fairly well(lol). She always goes down in her melody to give each peak new force and I think you should really map to these peaks as they feel the strongest. Personally I would throw away the idea with the initial slider and give the second peak an own circle so it gets the same accentuation as the first and third. I think it would also play really nicely if you made the following two sliders singles and make them flow in a downward direction. Going with 1/1 sliders in the melodical valley plays fine and you can catch the first small peak marked again. For the staccato notes I'd really like to have them accentuated with singles in an upwardmovement and (maybe im too ballsy here for an easy) make the note at 01:02:495 - a 1/2 repeatslider. I'm really bad at flowing stuff but it could end up looking like something similar to this:
   
   pic

   
   I fully understand what you're looking at and I do agree with that, tho, I think you overlooked the sliders' shapes, as well as their meaning probably: the first one has sharp curves to emphasize the strong bass beats (Just see where the anchorpoints are placed) as well as the first single circle you suggested for the violin note; the second one, instead, follows more the violin: the "curly" curve is placed exactly where the violin sound is starting raising pitch from the grave notes. All of those sliders are also following the previous general reasoning of the previous combos, where a 3/1 slider follows an entire violin movement. In my eyes these are plenty of reasons to not unbalance everything here since there will be way too many circles (and on an Easy diff we can't use them so much since it will increase the general difficulty for the player)

1. The section shortly after is basically the same story so I won't elaborate it as much. Basically this:
   
   1. 01:03:274 (1,2) - Consider making these singles(this is very optional), I think the sliders are more justifiable here due to how the previous section build up tension for this moment compared to the end at 00:55:482 (9) that just ends the section plainly
   2. 01:04:833 (3) - Again shorten this to catch the peak on a sliderstart on the third bar
   3. 01:06:391 (4,5,6) - I'm going to be bold and say that THIS is one of the few spots that define the song's identity. The downward motion and melodic approach of playing around the final note with an upward downward motion. So good. Shortversion:
      
      pic

      
      Again, if the 1/2 repeatsliders seems to hard or unrankable or what not, putting singles on the white ticks seems to be the best alternative
   Apart from giving you the same reasons as before I can only add that you're thinking too blocked in your own vision here: adding circles all the way isn't the right thing to do in this case because this is supposed to be an Easy, and since it is an Easy it needs something to give the player the right time of the notes without stressing him. Sliders need to be clicked only once and being like that the player will be able to hear at least half of the notes correctly on time, even if they hit badly: imo this is the best step to make someone learn how to play a rhythm game, since it's just a matter of "time".
   Maybe this is a little harsh from me, since I'm not the mapper, but I can still find valid reasons behind what has been done here, so...

1. 01:09:508 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - This whole section is not good in my opinion. The rhythm doesn't make sense. You could do two things here, either follow the violin or follow the drums. The violin clearly follows the beat on 1 and 3 while the drums follow the beat on 2 and 4. While every beat on 1 and 3 is mapped it is done inconsequently. Also refer to this thread by Jenny. Having the 3 always on the sliderend makes it very weak compared to the following drumbeat which means that you're not following either consequently. To bring out the violin correctly you should use 2/1 sliders at the start of each phrase. At the end of each phrase where the variation comes in I think it makes sense to resort to the drum kind of "resetting" our focus as you can't properly express them in an easy diff. This gives the following repitition of the basic pattern more force than if you'd keep the 2/1 sliders up and keeps it interesting like that. Would look like this:
   
   
   Same story for the rest of the section.
   This only plays okay right now due to how the hitsounds apply a sense to this but the sense should be applied by the actual music!
   Alright, I'll try to answer to all the points here:
   - Jenny's guide is hardly applicable on lower diffs, because you HAVE TO ignore a ton of beats. In case this was the Hard diff at least I could have even considered that, but here I find it as an invalid point
   - Those sliders are still following the same, identical reasoning used since the beginning of this map: all complex violin movements get converted into a slider like that
   - Here she switched from 3/1 sliders to 2/1 slider + circle to emphasize the drums, since it is the kiai part and needs more vigor imo. Also, each slider end introduces nicely to the drum because of the difference holding/jumping (puts more pressure on the circle)
   - Using the proposed pattern for each kiai and applying the general reasoning to the whole map would raise the difficulty above 1.75 stars for sure, and that's wy too much for an Easy (it's already 1.52 as it is with a low BPM too...)
   - Last and more important thing: we're discussing about an Easy diff, people will really care that much about all this sort of things? Really? When I started playing osu! I just focused on clicking in time, not how a map looked at all

1. 01:20:417 (6) - Don't do this. The violin AND the drum are on the blue tick so this plays complete odd due to having no sound assigned. As you can't complete this pattern properly(cause you can't let it and on a blue tick AND do the double later) I'd just resort to making 6 a single.
   If you're referring to 01:20:709 - then I can agree perfectly, since this part is a bit tricky: I merged 01:20:417 (6,7) - into one, long, 2/1 slider

1. 01:21:975 (1,2) - I like this relatively well due to how the drum accentuation shifted to the 4. Nice, nothing to do here \o\

1. 01:26:651 (5) - Splitting this slider up in 2 singles + 1 1/1 slider would complement the audible downwardmovement of the melody very well i think. To accentuate it further you'd have to mess up your earlier movement at 01:25:092 (3,4) which played fairly well on its own but I think sacrificing it would be worth. My favorite solution for this pattern would be this tho:
   
   im such an artist

   
   First, once again you're trying to make the map harder than it should by putting circles where we can actually suffice to that with sliders (I'll tell you a little secret I learned with my mapping experience: when you use slow, long sliders (at least 1/1 or even 2/1) as the ones you pointed out, you put the same pressure (it's just a feeling tho) on all its ends, which means that it is "as if" they are circles)
   And also, what you see right now follows again the same reasoning used till now, so I have really few reasons to change this... (yeah, the reasons you brought up aren't enough since my previous explanations seem to stand up against them pretty well)

Then we got some rhythmical issues explained above that repeat themselves(I won't repeat myself though) for the rest plus some more stuff.

1. 02:05:612 (1) 02:06:391 (2) - This hitsounding makes no sense at all as unlike the other times we aren't fading into some other part, this is the beginning of some action. If you were to use additional hitsounds to emphasize this part you should 1. use a different hitsound that isn't as strong and 2. be consequent with it and assign it to the other peaks too.
   My bad, this hitsounding was for the Extra/Insane diff

1. 02:43:014 (1) - This hitsound could be approriate if you changed the hitsounding in the following calm part as it would be used then to underline the change of pace. In its current state this hitsound feels out of place. If you stop using whistles and replace the unskippable claps with something that sounds more traditional this could make for a really nice effect.
   Changed previous hitsounds since they were too loud

1. 02:47:300 (5) - We're in a calm section here and there's no real sound on this particular beat. I'd remove this note and also turn the previous slider into 2 singles. You can also consider removing the sliderend from 02:43:794 (2) - to create a repeating pattern. This is very optional though and would exclude the drum for this part. A good solution for this section would be to repeat the single+single+repeatslider-pattern in this section and give it a change of pace towards the end of it by making this slider 02:50:807 (2) - that you would map a repeatslider for that purpose 3 singles instead
   I can perfectly understand that and I agree with it, but the problem is that there will be a huge hole in the rhythm, as well as the pattern itself, and it will ruin the next pattern too, which is based on that note right there. Anyway, I'm really not sure about this and for now I'd rather keep it as it is for consistency. We'll later what we can do.
   And no, no more circles.

1. 02:53:924 (6) - let this end on 02:54:703 - please. I see what you're trying to do with the wiggling sliderend but the violin is a lot easier to grasp in my opinion. Adding a single on the drumhit is optional as having a brief pause between the two parts is still very nice.
   I would rather have avoided to edit this much, but the wiggle is too much, even if it is intuitive, so I added the drum hit here and shortened the slider

Please make sure you review all the patterns and listen carefully as you're consistently inconsistent for some of your parts
It depends on how you see it actually, and as you could see from my replies, even I (another modder) was able to find reasons to clarify those patterns

Normal

This diff is really weird. I agree on some parts completely and on others I'm wondering what you did before you mapped it. Maybe you considered it too hard but uhm, let's see. My cringefactor is especially high on the intro.

1. 00:19:638 (1) - Like okay. What is this slider? I hear that there's an audible sound of this synthesizerdrumthing on the end but the violin note is clearly supposed to be staccato. If you listen carefully, on every other strong synthesizerdrumthingsound (and they are ALWAYS on the downbeat) there's a brief echo you don't map either. Sure on the second it's not as loud as on the first but on the third, fourth etc. I can hear that echo very clearly but you still decided to ignore it and only map the mainsound. Please do that here too, the mainsound is on the downbeat and the echo isn't as obvious if you put the whistle on the downbeat.
   Yeah, now that you mention it it wasn't that logic there

1. Now the intro. I see that you might be trying to do some sort of building up tension by using long and not so interesting sliders that ignore the violin more or less so you can accelerate later on. While I would agree with this idea on a harder difficulty it doesn't make much sense for a normal as any kind of acceleration you might do during the early part will get cut off right at 00:32:105 due to the ranking criteria for normal limiting your options in terms of increasing spacing, SV etc. so much that you're basically back to the beginning when we look at the intensity. Considering this i'd throw away the idea of building up tension and map the intro part just as you hear it:
   
   rhythmpics

   
   Maybe swap this pattern with the repeatsliders you did later here 00:26:261 (2) - so that you get repeatsliders first and then the rhythm in the pic so you still have some "kind of" wind up in terms of pace.
   Alright, I'd start from saying that I didn't try to make any sort of build-up: I just wanted to make the intro less complex by fusing the violin's notes into long sliders (and the idea of doing this on harder diffs is out of question since I can't make such a slow and useless part there anyways). Also, if I do so here I would have to change each other part of the song which isn't a kiai time, since I based my reasoning on this to make almost the entire map

1. 00:35:222 (1,2) - Your focus is incorrect here I think. 00:36:196 is more of a decoration as it is outside(above) of the regular melody(especially the bluetick) while 00:35:612 is vital for the development of the melody. Plus refering to Jenny again, 00:36:001 - the sliderend having a very strong additive hitsound here feels superodd. All 3 hitsounds are still kind of questionable just like mentioned in the Easy-Diff. If at all you would have to start using them at 00:32:105 (1) cause it doesn't make sense to suddenly use completely different hitsounds when the music hasn't even changed.
   I think this rhythm would be most appropriate:
   
   ok

   
   I'd like to ask you why you didn't point out patterns like 00:41:456 (1) - for example, which are almost the same (but yeah, they aren't perfectly the same) and give a similar feeling. Anyways, it stands out a lot and I used just one circle instead.
   What I do not understand is why you keep telling me to follow the violin (actually, just emphasizing a couple of the violin's notes) when if I did so I would end up with a more difficult and heavy map. While making a mapset there are quite a few compromises, above all on the lower diffs: finding a right rhythm which is consistent yet not stressing is hard and it is obvious that a lot of notes will be ignored.
   Last thing, now that it came here again: continually referring to other mappers' style is a bit... how can I say it... maybe "odd". It is telling me that this thinking isn't really yours, but of someone else. What I'd like to hear is what you really think and not how someone else is, even if you totally agree with that (just don't add the "like mapper X" part in that case xD)

1. 00:37:949 (5) - Consider removing this note to give the following fat drumsoundclapwhistle an additional bang(very optional) but at the very least remove the whistle cause you never put a whistle before on the 4th beat in this section. It was indeed a bit too much as an hitsounding, and since it is like this, I removed also the whistle from 00:36:391 (2) - which follow the same logic, right?

1. 00:47:690 (1,2,3,4) - This feels a bit bad for me. The redtick after the first slider is theoretically mappable and you can take this into consideration to fix the following issue: There's this really characteristic descending motion from 00:49:248 onwards in 4 notes. I'd really love if you mapped it out like this:
   
   nice pics

   
   Remade the whole pattern since I didn't like it how it played. Also, it's a bit hard to understand from just the timeline lol If you're going for a subjective suggestion (and this was one of those) a complete pattern would clarify better what you have in mind

1. 00:57:040 (1,2,3,4) - Similar to the easy diff you fail to make the peaks stand out here. While singles are not a bad thing you should try to arrange them in a pattern that makes the peaks stand out. A classical back-and-forth with the "valleys" being the static middle would work out here:
   
   shining beauty

   
   You can also see that I stretched 00:59:378 (3,4) to be sliders too. This is due to the downwardmotion in melody. If you have 1, 2 being sliders it makes 3 and 4 stand out being singles. You also catch the turning point really well with the repeatslider resetting the pace to singles.
   Wow, that pattern looks really clustered xD (above all in the second half of it). For this part I mainly used drums as you can see, in opposition to the intro where I used mostly violin sounds

1. 01:03:274 (1) -This hitsound has no context

1. 01:09:118 (1) - Use a different finish-hitsound
   Both of these have the same reasons I explained above

1. 01:09:508 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - This plays a bit boring but it is fine I think. I find that this part is the one with the most interesting flow actually, since I can rarely use such oval flow else where

1. 01:14:768 - This note is vital part of the melody which is why I would turn the previous circle into a slider that ends here. Totally following drums fro 01:14:573 (1,2,3) - as you can also notice, this combo is made just for drums, while the others are for violin notes

1. 01:18:859 (1) - This slider doesn't represent the music very well in my opinion. While circles are not good here as you want some difference to 01:18:079 (4,5) - I think you really want to force a tap at 01:19:638 as the melody has individual small peaks on the white ticks and you also got the last note of the strings in the background that lead into the last pattern of the section in a simplistic upwardpattern. Therefore this would be good to keep tension. You could give the red combo either force by spacing 2/1 like
   
   this

   
   Or you just shorten your current slider to 1/1 length and put singles after. Both give it enough distinction from the previous pattern but keep the tension for the sectionend very well.
   If I try to map all those violin notes I will end up wit ha mess, therefore I simplified those with a slider as I did for the beginning and used the drums to give the player a solid base to keep on playing (I'm referring to 01:18:859 (1,2) - )

1. 01:21:196 (2) - Make it a single please. While the violin doesn't end abruptly there are 0 sounds on sliderend, just sounds fading which is meh in most cases and it also gives your hitsound a bit more breathing room
   If you listen to 25% playback rate you'll her that the violin note ends exactly with the slider I used. The fact there are no sounds at the end is just confirming the theory you were using earlier: if there really is no sound to make it finish on where is the problem? We don't have to click on them, so... :^). The sldier gives actually more meaning to the echoed hitsound I use in this case: the slider is like modeling the hitsound and gives it the form I imagined for it

1. This is similar to the first part. While I agree on the first long slider leading into the section it wouldn't hurt to have 01:23:534 (1) - being a 1/1 repeatslider
   It's exactly the same identical sound used for 01:21:975 (1) - tho, why... .-.

1. 01:26:651 (1) - It would be nice if you could include the white tick to complete the descending pattern.
   This is the other slider's twin and the reasoning is exactly the same I did for the other one

1. 01:43:794 (1) - Consider making this 2 singles due to how the second note is staccato and shouts for more love
   I re-used 00:41:456 (1) - which is placed on the exact same spot and rhythm and such a double would be a pain to play anyways

1. 01:46:521 (1) - 1/2 slider would fit here well
   The previous pattern is a bit too complex to let me use another short slider like this: I want the player to regain rhythm and rest for a while, since 01:44:540 (3,4,5) - is also a bit cramped

1. 01:51:586 (1) - Consider making this 2 singles due to the very clear descending motion
   I have to agree on this: it creates a nice difference with the other slider and gives more emphasis to it

1. 01:52:365 (2) - Make this a repeatslider, trying to represent the 1/4 ladder upwards looks a bit incomplete as it is now. The alternative would be ignoring it and removing 01:52:949 (3) - in the process.
   I tried for once to follow more the violin and also, I want to really emphasize the 3/4 slider with repeat since it's the most accentuated sound right now

1. 01:57:820 (3) - Make this a 1/2-slider. You mapped every similar musical pattern in this section with 2 1/2 sliders+single so you should do it here too.
   On 01:57:820 (3) - starts a long note which ends on 01:58:209 - but using a 1/2 slider here won't express it the way I wanted (3/4 slider + 1/2 slider + circle) so I had to shift focus on the drum and give it a bit more emphasis to avoid the player to follow that here

1. 02:11:456 - Not enough room for the hitsound here.
   I wonder why 01:09:118 (1) - this is fine tho.... Also, I already gave reasons for that hitsound

1. 02:36:781 (1) - This windup has some kind of double finish which I'd like to see represented by the spinner ending on 02:41:456 with a finish(different hitsound) and the current spinnerend having an additional 1-combo single with a finish.
   Shortened and used the normal-hitfinish instead (I should check more times after I use the hitsound copier =w=")

1. 02:43:014 (1) - Same thing I suggested for the Easy-Diff in terms of hitsounds. Either use it and make a change of pace by killing the following additional hitsounds. Or don't use it. You can build the hitsounds up again from here on: 02:52:365
   Hitsounds already explained in this case and I don't really use such hitsounds if I lower the volume...

1. 02:54:508 - Map this sound please, vital part of melody. Not so vital if you follow the drum and simplify the whole pattern

1. 03:07:170 (2) - Single. Same as before

Hard

1. First section in general: While the way you arrange the rhythm works out fine the way I hear this would make for this slider+circle-combination:
   
   jennyscience

   
   This is the second combo, cursorposition at 00:21:586 .
   As you might be able to see this rather follows how the music is actually played: First note is staccato obv, the second note doesn't fluently change into the one on the blue tick(in fact there is a superbrief pause inbetween) while the blue tick and the following white tick have a very obvious connection as the blue tick note just exists for the purpose of making the white tick more exciting. Then you got the white tick basically flowing with the next notes but the melody is flowing in two different directions: downwards for 00:21:975 (3) and upwards for your current 00:22:365 (4,5) . As the white tick naturally feels like some extra power it is very natural to hear these as two different patterns that are loosely connect which is why 2 sliders seem perfect.
   Why do I even call it Jennyscience...It just feels natural so no science involved.
   Now my way of mapping this is obviously a bit harder to play due to a double being involved so a player may find it difficult if you spam this instead but you could very well replace each second pattern like this as it also adds more variety while leaving some time for recovery on a sliderpart.
   Probably you totally skipped my short post on strange snaps (here), because there is no note on the blue tick. That's mainly the reason why I use sliders instead of circles: to avoid making the player play such awful snap (yeah, I can't change the snap the way I wont, so i have to do use it the way it is). Things like "obvious" or "natural" may not be like that if you consider all the problems and the solutions to them that there are.
   As for the creativity part, I can say that the slider shapes suffix to to the problem in this case

1. 00:19:638 (1) - See Normaldiff but as this diff is more dense you can probably leave it like that so i don't get 100 on first note when going for SS
   It is indeed more dense, that's why, and I also want to give more consistency for the next patterns

1. 00:24:313 (1,2,3) - This is mostly a four-step pattern downwards which is why mapping 2/1 would be very reasonable for the two first notes. It looks like you tried to include the decoration but not very poorly. Either do it properly or leave it be as it takes something away from the previously mentioned movement otherwise. Properly including it would mean a 1/4 slider on 00:24:898 (maybe a bit hard) or making a 1/4 repeat slider on the same spot and turning the end of the sacrificed slider into a single.
   All these "downwards" and "upwards" are really subjective tho, since I can easily rotate everything by 90° or even 180° and the result will be the same as long as there is the correct spacing and a reasonable slider direction compared to the other objects.
   The 1/4 slider is out of question in any case, since there are 1/6 snaps between 00:24:703 (2,3) -
   The general slider logic was to simplify the violin's strange movements into easier half steps of it and it is consistent throughout the map (and this is subjective I know, but it's my map after all)
   Last thing: "first 2 notes mapped as 2/1"? Wait, where do you see such long notes? 00:24:313 (1) - single circle with a 1/1 break after it; 00:24:703 (2) - 1/2 slider with 1/2 break after it; 00:25:092 (3) - 1/1 slider with 1/1 break after it. Where should I notice the 2/1 notes? .-.

1. 00:27:430 (1,2,3,4,5) - Alter this pattern similar to my description above(how it is played) for variation
   If you're referring to the "direction", I already answered before. If you focus on creativity, I already answered to this too and why should I change patterns so frequently after only 10 seconds of mapping? ._.

1. 00:30:547 (1,2,3,4) - See above, same four-step pattern
   Apart from being a totally different "melody" (or, I don't know how to call it... "measure"? "part"? Dunno) I'm feeling like this one is really following your other "directional" suggestions tho .-.

1. 00:33:664 (1) - Making this a single seems better as the drumhit isn't that big and I can hear a brief pause for the violin

1. 00:36:359 (4) - Is this note really snapped to 1/12 ? If yes...uh...seems kind of correct but it's still a weird spot. It's natural for this kind of instrument to show slight inconsistencies so maybe recheck this again? Idk, that looks like QAT-stuff. This stuff has to be checked by everyone, not QATs only, and yes, it was checked by a lot of mania mappers (and also a couple of BNs) and it is a 1/12 snap. Even if it is strange I'm abusing on sliders, so the player can get a 300 even if he taps a little late (I also kept a constant DS, but since a 1/12 is so little it isn't really visible on the play field)

1. 00:36:001 (3,4) - Oh context. Didn't catch the decoration properly again. See above. Simplification would be cutting off the tail from 00:36:391 (4) so the sliderstart at 00:36:781 (1) - also gets more strength but in context with the snapping it seems really odd.
   I explained above why I'm using sliders instead of circles and the slider art doesn't have any further meaning than trying to better express the violin's notes for that part (it also gives a bit more of aesthetics to the map: using only curved or straight sliders would be boring anyways)

1. 00:36:781 (1) - Isolated hitsound of my favorite kind(see hitsounds)
   You already know. I'm not backing from this one

1. 00:37:560 (3,4,5) - Plays a bit odd, got no idea how to make it better though I have no idea too xD

1. 00:41:651 (2) - Cut the sliderend off to intensify the feeling of the melody(staccato)
   Aaaaand... how am I supposed to map the 1/1 break it comes out from removing that slider end? In such a tight place too. Also, imo the "staccato" is better expressed with a slider in most cases, since it isn't a single beat, but has a somewhat of "extension" after it, even if short.

1. 00:43:014 (1,2,3) - This plays a bit weird as this is technically a 5-step upward movement but you can press buttons only 3 times. Didn't find anything better though(didn't search long tbh after my first thought wasn't as good)
   Again with the "directions"... =w=" You don't have to watch the playfield as it is, but you have to rotate it each time a new object appears. In this case, the playfiled has to be seen almost up-side-down. It is a difficult concept to explain, but that's the gist of it. I'll write something at the end probably...
   As for the number of clicks, I can't put so many clicks there, because I won't to express the stream, but if I put even one more circle there I have to place all the others too, which makes the map unbalanced on this part

1. 00:50:807 (1) - Extend to blue tick Ops, my bad here x)

1. 00:56:261 (1) - Consider making this a single, gives more power to the note due to the pause which also makes a good transition to the next section.
   Hm... this is indeed a bit strange as it is now. Changed

1. 01:03:274 (1) - lonely hitsound Indeed

1. 01:08:729 (1) - HEY! rip SV change

1. 01:19:833 (1) - I dislike short repeatsliders with a lot of repeats as they make a lot of sound for almost no gameplay. I would rather map it this way as it also fits the way the melody develops there:
   
   why dis mod so long (It's your fault, mate xD)

   
   Maybe you didn't notice, but I avoided any of those sliders with even number of repeats on purpose (I used them only where the song changed polarity ahead or where the stream was made on entire beats, like 01:45:352 (1,2) - ) and the NC is there to make the player notice that something changed

1. 01:23:534 (1,2,3,4) - variation see above Already explained

1. 01:27:235 (3,4) - Make this similar to my suggestion at 01:19:833 Same answer

1. 01:29:183 (2) - ^ ^

1. 01:29:768 (3,1) - These two violin notes are exactly the same so mapping the circles the same way seems appropriate too. Making them both singles is the most obvious thing but 3/4 sliders may work too.
   If I do really put a slider instead of a circle there the whole meaning of the next slider would change totally, giving a different impression to the player (which is the one you're trying to use for both those objects). I would have to remap the while section there (3-4 combos) to make it fit the way you want now

1. 01:30:839 - Makes no sense to not map this when you mapped 01:30:644 - Check the number of repeats on it and remember the other answer for the other sliders

1. 01:45:352 (1,2) - This looks overmapped as the drums only hits on white/red and the violin just repeats each note once on the blue therefore the blue ticks kind of lack new content
   I indirectly explained this at 01:19:833 (1) -

1. 01:53:144 (3,4) - Include the blue tick here just like you did on the ones before, the song itself keeps your beats variating for every measure here so you don't have to deviate from the most obvious pattern that catches all sounds.

1. 02:07:170 (1) - The notes here are a bit more of peaks themselves so a repeatslider makes them feel a bit too weak I think.
   I can't do that right here, since the main focus shifted to the drums due to long previous slider

1. 02:11:066 (1) - HEY! rip SV change part. 2

1. 02:22:170 (1) - see somewhere above about repeatsliders Already explained

1. Use similar spacing for 02:24:313 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) and

1. 02:25:872 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
   They have different pitch tho and there's no big difference anyways between that spacing: if you click exactly on the center of the first circle you can even not move at all and still be able to click the next in both cases (and also having the time to understand the new spacing)

1. 02:29:183 (1,2,3,4,5) - This is not bad but I'd prefer this:
   
   maybe i'm nuts

   
   Probably a bit gimmicky with the isolated 7 so you might extend the repeat one more if this seems to be too hard
   This is totally out of question here and now: too hard for the whole diff and it will be a "one-of-a-kind" pattern too, since I doubt I will ever use it again elsewhere, so no

1. 02:30:547 - Now this windup phase. As you probably noticed I think that short repeatsliders play lame and a lot of them are kind of meh. I'd suggest trying to bring in some variation whenever you get a boost by the drum and turn the repeatslider into something like this for further accentuation:
   
   what else could i write in boxtitles?

   
   This would include altering your triple things later somehow.

1. 02:41:456 (1,2) - boooooring! this is supposed to be the grandfinale of the nice windup you did so far but a grandfinale should not only include a lot of hitsounds but also something for the player to do.
   
   greetings to memehelp

   
   Can you really do such a pattern on a Hard? I don't think so. Also, grand finale where? There are still 15+ seconds of the map: by the time the map ends the player will forget about it anyways. Finally, that part isn't supposed to be intense in this case since I do not have valid patterns for this diff

1. 02:48:469 (3) - extend to 1/1 Really nice one

1. 03:00:157 (1) - The way the melody goes here tells me that this should not be a repeatslider, change to 1/2 slider + single(or connect it to 03:00:742 )
   Seeing the compromises I had to take till this far, that's the best option to keep consistency and to express the violin's sound tho

1. 03:00:937 (3) - another weird 1/8 snap. As for the other, try to either map the decoration properly or don't at all so the 1/8 doesn't feel as isolated and off. It looks like it's pretty hard to include so I would just bind over this spot with a 1/1 slider.
   - It's the first 1/8 snap ever like this (all the others were 1/6)
   - ... "map the decoration properly"? .-. Are you referring to the aesthetics of the sliders for that part? If so I kinda remade a couple of shapes for better blanketing, but that's all
   - since it is hard, and the difference between this snap and the 1/6 is relatively small, I can use the same pattern with few problems (since they are sliders and have a bigger hit window)

1. 03:05:807 (4) - somewhere above Already explained

1. 03:07:170 (1) - mute the end or chop it off Silenced

I can mod Insane+Extra too if you want me to but not before you're done with this.
It's not really a problem: I'm able to check even longer mods if that was the concern.
Ofc feel free to poke me in chat if anything is unclear

Endaris wrote:

Followup on my previous mod with more pictures for explanations.
If I kept some text I'll have the additional text added fat or in the additional spoilerbox. I wrote a new comment to most stuff so just read everything.

Hitsounds
My problem is that the hitsound has a completely different characteristic than the other hitsounds used. You only use it punctually and don't follow up on it which unevitably makes me think "now there was this completely different hitsound but why is nothing happening?!" It should either match the rest of your hitsound set or have some follow up(for example in the slow part where the drum is weaker). I'm not against you highlighting the notes you used it on.
And WHAT should happen exactly? xD Whistles and Finishes were meant to create a separation before and after their usage: like the finish is used to separate the intro from the rest, as well as the custom whistles are used to separate the outro and so on

AsaNe's Easy

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I was going to write for each suggestion but then I noticed I should write the same things over and over, so here's a sum up of it.
I clearly understand all the stuff about decorations and what not you mentioned earlier. The problem is that there is no way to express what you're saying on an Easy: most of the suggestions were about "adding a circle" which means that the star rating will go up af in no time. And the spacing isn't a problem in this case anyway, since what matters is the number of clicks in certain interval. Take an interval of 5 seconds for example, if you add more notes it will obviously raise the SR, even if you use the same DS.
Last thing (which I already told you): this isn't my map, therefore I don't know exactly what the owner thought while mapping it. In this situation I'd rather keep what's done than changing things on my own accord and ruin part of it.
Also, do not do such finicky things while modding: while they are a great teaching for music theory, they are also really sluggish for the modding process. If the modding process is longer than 1 hour or so it means that someone is at fault here: either the map is hell or either the modder didn't grasp the mapper's style/intentions

Normal

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As for the hitsounds, nothing changed, it's a matter of feeling for me and I already said that.
As for the other suggestions... I can't agree totally on what Jenny's guide says because we are on easy difficulties and I can't use that theory of hers to map a Normal "the right way".
Following the music or its decorations or its downward/upward movements isn't always possible too, since I have to take care of the playability while making good looking and solid patterns. It's a mess :/
Also, if I have to reconsider so many patterns it means that either I should remap totally or not touching a thing. Everything else would turn out to be silly and less solid

Hard


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Your explanation on repeatsliders didn't quite get to me maybe :/


My bad about that, I explained badly the matter: what I meant with even/odd number of repeats was referred to sliders which total length isn't more than 1/1. When a slider like 03:05:807 (4) - or 02:22:170 (1) - occurs it's not like 02:21:391 (2,3) - because firstly, there is more time to read that change, and secondly , it's a total different feeling because of the different speed of the pattern itself.
Probably this explanation isn't satisfying at all for you, but I can't explain it any better... probably you'll notice once you map more too. Really, the difference is really subtle but it's there.
Regarding the other suggestions I see you keep thinking about the map as a one instrument at a time or something like that, while I was trying to put together as many instruments I could