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sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

sLaiNi wrote:

So please tell me how a single other soundclaim could confirm the sounds being real, if the other person next to Jess is dead?

Ace Timing wrote:

In this scenario I only needed one sound. Presenting another scenario will prove nothing.
Presenting another scenario? Are you kidding me?

Sakura wrote:

~Night 2~
- The Register -
Current Housing
[Zexion]
[-[Jess]-]
[-VACANT-]


All Night actions are due within 24 hours of this post
So you basically accuse me of thing and negating my explanation for it, because you would only need one vote to counterclaim the soundclaim of NS and when I tell you it is not possible in case that the other person next to Jess is dead (which is actually the case now) and then you basically slip that you don't even know that.

You're close to getting the finger
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Raging Bull wrote:

@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.
slani defended Zexion who was replaced by NS. How come you're not that suspicious of NS as compared to slani?

Ace Timing wrote:

Pretty sure the zex wagon was just an info lynch as opposed to the alternative policy lynch on Jess.
I already stated that he was lurking hard. That is reason enough to policy him for both info and the fact that he has a high chance of flipping scum.


Also you're dreaming if you think any possible doc would be on Jess. They WOULD HAVE BEEN ON PIEGUY.
NS+Slani
or Jess+RB+Drezi
Right now I am leaning towards NS+Slani scumteam POSSIBLY with Amianki FOR VERY OBV REASON CALLED LURKING.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.
slani defended Zexion who was replaced by NS. How come you're not that suspicious of NS as compared to slani?

Ace Timing wrote:

Pretty sure the zex wagon was just an info lynch as opposed to the alternative policy lynch on Jess.
I already stated that he was lurking hard. That is reason enough to policy him for both info and the fact that he has a high chance of flipping scum.


Also you're dreaming if you think any possible doc would be on Jess. They WOULD HAVE BEEN ON PIEGUY.
NS+Slani
or Jess+RB+Drezi
Right now I am leaning towards NS+Slani scumteam POSSIBLY with Amianki FOR VERY OBV REASON CALLED LURKING.
Would you say there are abilities that change, where sounds are coming from`?
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
lol
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
Also Jess, could you please make any content on what you think, because RB literally said he is ready to hammer you. So do me a favor and

1. Try to defend yourself
2. Post what you think on anybody
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Topkek literally made that list with one sound I don't see why your massclaim plays a part in it at all.
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
And how does the slot below jess being dead relate in any way to your massclaim attempt? Your massclaim won't make up for the lack of sound info from that slot at all.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

And how does the slot below jess being dead relate in any way to your massclaim attempt? Your massclaim won't make up for the lack of sound info from that slot at all.
You literally just twist my words in my mouth. It was you who said, that you would only need two claims to have a proven sound (the one above and the one below the person who gets accused of making sounds). Then, afterwards, you make it sound like I said that lawl.

Ace Timing wrote:

In this scenario I only needed one sound [to have a proven soundclaim]. Presenting another scenario will prove nothing.
the [i] Text was added by me.

So if you think closely it is important that Jess' neighbour is dead, because you can't prove the soundclaim of NS with the two people around her, so the only way is to seek for other sounds, in which case the murdering might have happenend only through her.

It's so obvious that you are trying to scumpaint. Inb4 Amianki/Ace Timing scumteam (even though this would mess up my whole way of thoughts)
Sakura
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Vote Count 3.08

-[Jess]- (5) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing [L-1]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki

Not Voting (4) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, -[Jess]-

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
I still don't see your point. That scenario list is completely valid with just one sound, and massclaiming won't help because there's still only one slot that can hear jess.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
I already stated that it might not have been the best or most successful idea.

I just tried to not let you get away with turning around my words
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
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Raging Bull
Fuck i fell asleep. I dont see final thoughts helpful from jess. She will probably say post later or some shit.

vote jess
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
Actually RB is right about the post later stuff

It's 22:12 here, ill sleep now.


I FoS Drezi, Amianki and a bit of Ace.
MBomb
MBomb
oh i was gonna pdodge because college stuff but there was a hammer
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
How did I twist your words if I don't quote you or mention any specific point at all? .-.
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
How did I twist your words if I don't quote you or mention any specific points you make at all? .-.
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
Rip I thought that didn't send like half an hour ago
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
so RB hammered with like 2days before deadline. 10/10
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
and if there are abilities that changes where sound comes from, it will probably be a scum ability since any sane town other than me would have outed that ability just to decrease WIFOM.
Sakura
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Final Vote Count Day 3

-[Jess]- (6) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull [LYNCH!]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki

Not Voting (3) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, -[Jess]-

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
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Raging Bull
I stated i will hammer like yesterday. I also like what NS said and saw no reason why any other role would target jess. Our investigation role also flipped so let me know what role would like to target her with her playstyle.
Sakura
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Sakura
Jess: Hmm ask me in a few hours
notscience: I heard sounds coming from your house, it can't be anyone else.
Jess: Brb, Gotta eat.
Haneii: Yeah i don't believe her either.
sLaiNi: No other sounds contradict
Amianki: Why are you even asking about Sounds? FFS!
Jess: I sleep i just vt.
Ace Timing: It has to be you!
Raging Bull: Yeah everything makes sense, there's no one else.
Jess: orz

As Jess is lynched, you find she falsified some papers to be able to live in the treehouse... what a scum!

-[Jess]- Outsider in the Tree (Mafia Goon) was lynched Day 3
Jess

Sakura wrote:

Hi, you are an Outsider in the Tree (Mafia Goon)
You and your partners have invaded the treehouse to take it for your own and establish a new base of operations.
During the day you may vote and talk.
During the Night, you may do your mafia deeds.
-REDACTED-

You win when your faction controls half the votes or nothing can prevent this from happening
Sakura
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Sakura
~Night 3~
- The Caretaker -
Current Housing
[-VACANT-]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[Drezi]


Deadline for Night actions is 24 hours as of this post.
Sakura
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Sakura
No one died Night 3

~Day 4~
- The Landmaster -
Current Housing
[-VACANT-]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[Drezi]


Deadline for Hammer is 9/8 17:00 GMT-5
Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (9) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Amianki, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Hey drezi, whats your role.
MBomb
MBomb
@mod: is Haneii's name meant to be bolded, or is that just bolded for no reason?
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
Haneii: Do you have something to tell us?
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
hey RB, why exactly would I tell you that? why would you even ask me that?
notscience
0 posts
Joined October 2014
notscience
[vote]slaini[/vote]
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
> Mafia Goon

Glad to know I am not the only person with a lousy role.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
uh right, I forgot.

Vote: sLaiNi
MBomb
MBomb

Raging Bull wrote:

Hey drezi, whats your role.
Why Drezi?

Also Vote: slaini
MBomb
MBomb
Actually, in case one of the above is a D4 doublevoter

unvote

don;t want that l-1 just yet
Setsuen
106 posts
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Setsuen
I must have missed something. Why are we voting slani after Zexion's replacement NS becomes very town due to the Jess lynch?
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
are you all voting slani to find out if she's scum double voter? IS ANYONE THERE? ANSWER PLOX
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
You're clearly not paying attention if you don't understand why I'm voting for sLaiNi.

FTR I'm not a doublevoter.
Sakura
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- Magic Bomb - wrote:

@mod: is Haneii's name meant to be bolded, or is that just bolded for no reason?
I can't answer this question

Vote Count 4.01

sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Amianki

Not Voting (7) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
notscience
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notscience
Also, I heard slaini tonight.

So slaini, do you have something to share with the class?
notscience
0 posts
Joined October 2014
notscience

Setsuen wrote:

I must have missed something. Why are we voting slani after Zexion's replacement NS becomes very town due to the Jess lynch?
I do not understand the question.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

You're clearly not paying attention if you don't understand why I'm voting for sLaiNi.

FTR I'm not a doublevoter.
Clearly bc I was apparently focusing slani for another reason entirely.(Which was bc he defended Zexion which made me think it was Zexion+slani scum team)
Now enlighten me. It's 6:37am here and I am trying to eat my huge breakfast.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
really.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

really.

Did you even read my ISO on D1 and 2.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
Yeah, because comparing the posts between me, who has been posting small posts not very often, and you, who has posted more posts and in longer chunks, is totally comparible.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

Yeah, because comparing the posts between me, who has been posting small posts not very often, and you, who has posted more posts and in longer chunks, is totally comparible.
You're ignoring the fact that I asked whether you did read my ISO bc if you did, you would have known that I labelled Zexion and slani as a scum team.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
And how is that relevant to anything?
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

And how is that relevant to anything?
bc I still don't know how slani is suspicious other than the fact that she might be scum double voter.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
despite being active for the game
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
ok.

Back to my earlier statement. If you paid any attention to my posts at all yesterday, you'd know why I'm voting him.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

ok.

Back to my earlier statement. If you paid any attention to my posts at all yesterday, you'd know why I'm voting him.
so we're lynching bc of rolefishing
Amianki
85 posts
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Amianki
That's the simplified version, yes.
MBomb
MBomb
Ace Timing: Did you hear a sound from below you last night? (Seeing as we already know your role, this is just to confirm NS's claim).
Setsuen
106 posts
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Setsuen
that moment when you realise you didn't get a result bc somebody prob visited you
Drezi
217 posts
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Drezi
you being visited has nothing to do with what YOU hear afaik.

Sakura wrote:

anyone taking no action will be able to know if a player above or below them was targeted or targeted someone described as "hearing sounds above/below".
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
>implying that I'm actually not a JOAT with one of the abilities being double vote for one day
Yeah I heard votes, but that doesn't immediately indicate he's scum, he could've been healed by doc or something like that.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
WELL

@Mod:I DIDN'T GET MY N3 RESULT WHY
Setsuen
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Setsuen
@Mod:I DIDN'T GET MY N3 RESULT WHY
Sakura
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Sakura

Setsuen wrote:

@Mod:I DIDN'T GET MY N3 RESULT WHY
If you didnt get a result, means you didnt hear any sound.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
I'm waiting for the next VC to reveal yet another double voter lol
MBomb
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

>implying that I'm actually not a JOAT with one of the abilities being double vote for one day
Yeah I heard votes, but that doesn't immediately indicate he's scum, he could've been healed by doc or something like that.
I know that, I was just checking because if you said no we'd have known one of you were lying unless scum had the ability to target someone and make them hear no sound, which I'd highly doubt but it's possible.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
I'm curious about haneii's bonded name jazz
Sakura
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Vote Count 4.02

sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Amianki

Not Voting (7) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
so MB literally did nothing then. 10/10 I wish I got a better house
Ace Timing
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Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
*bolded
MBomb
MBomb
if neither of those is a doublevoter then i guess

vote: slalni
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
@RB wanna elaborate on your little outburst?
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Actually the chance of doc being in this game actually doesn't seem too high as of the evidence available so
VOTE: Slaini
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
That's L-1 don't hammer 🔨 pls
Amianki
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Amianki
What makes you say that Ace? I've been thinking about the setup for a while now and I can't think of anything that would preclude a doctor being in the setup.
Drezi
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Drezi

Ace Timing wrote:

Actually the chance of doc being in this game actually doesn't seem too high as of the evidence available so
VOTE: Slaini
noise from slaini -> no kill tonight -> "we prob don't have a doc, so I vote him" ??

I don't have any particular problem with a slaini wagon happening, but what exactly are you suggesting happened this night then?
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Based on the known roles now, the only available options I see are notty you and drezi. Neither of you indicate any sings of being a doctor except for you and I haven't heard any sounds from you.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
^ aimed at amianki
Drezi
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Drezi
and you're speculating on who might be a town doc because..?
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

Drezi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Actually the chance of doc being in this game actually doesn't seem too high as of the evidence available so
VOTE: Slaini
noise from slaini -> no kill tonight -> "we prob don't have a doc, so I vote him" ??

I don't have any particular problem with a slaini wagon happening, but what exactly are you suggesting happened this night then?
He could've been roleblocked. Or, even if I don't necessarily fully agree with this despite its probable validity, he could've submitted the NK for haneii and doc protected him, which could explain his bolded name. That's one reason,however I believe there is no doc, but I can't ignore this scenario just because of a gut feeling with a tinge of logic. And therefore, I vote.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

Drezi wrote:

and you're speculating on who might be a town doc because..?
Because I mentioned it before.
Setsuen
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Setsuen
Haneii could be BP whose name gets bolded when her vest gets popped for all we know.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
That is also true.
MBomb
MBomb
Haneii was not targetted last night.
MBomb
MBomb
Nor did Haneii use any action.
Drezi
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Drezi

Ace Timing wrote:

Because I mentioned it before.
I don't care, you don't do it as town...
Amianki
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Amianki
hm
Haneii
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Haneii
I don't know why my name is in bold.


Setsuen: did you hear a noise night 3?
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

I don't know why my name is in bold.


Setsuen: did you hear a noise night 3?
This was answered earlier on, but no he didn't.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

Drezi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Because I mentioned it before.
I don't care, you don't do it as town...
So lemme get this straight.

If person a says person s could be town because of the existence of a doctor
and person a later says the chances of that happening is low and retracts their earlier statement.
and person c asks for the reasoning behind this
person a shouldn't answer, because the reason involves trying to prove the unlikeliness of the current doctor candidates being doctor and is therefore anti-town.
person a should leave their reasoning ambiguous and up in the air.

This is basically what you're implying.
Haneii
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Haneii
Sorry, MB. I'm trying to find where he says that but I'm struggling to find anything using my phone.

if you don't mind, can you quote it?

Can someone also check if setsuwn has ever placed a vote after day 1.

@Mod: can important events be linked in the op (day start/end), please?
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Drezi wrote:

hey RB, why exactly would I tell you that? why would you even ask me that?
Has to be with the fact there was no kill last night.
Setsuen
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Setsuen
I stopped placing votes. Plz carry TY.
MBomb
MBomb

Setsuen wrote:

so MB literally did nothing then. 10/10 I wish I got a better house
Here Haneii.
Drezi
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Drezi

Ace Timing wrote:

person a should leave their reasoning ambiguous and up in the air.
you don't need to speculate who might be a doc to make your point.

an NK did not happen, so scum did not submit one or it had been blocked somehow (jail doc commute bp), so I don't think us having a protective is THAT unlikely. it doesn't make slaini town, he could have performed the NK with the target being protected, or him jailed etc.
MBomb
MBomb
Actually, Haneii, could I ask why you asked if Setsuen heard a sound? Surely, being below me, you should also know.
Setsuen
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Setsuen
so since Haneii doesn't know why she is bolded. I am guessing that it is a scum ability bc no one claimed to do it and I am also going to guess that it is a random ability that marks Haneii to be automatically killed by the end of D4.

If not I don't trust pie's Haneii is town statement anymore.
Setsuen
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Setsuen
my other guess would have been a scum motivator ability that allowed Haneii to double vote or something but then why would scum be dumb enough to motivate themselves for all to see amiright
MBomb
MBomb
My main concern is the fact that Haneii got bolded with:

1. Me hearing no sound.
2. Setsuen hearing no sound (In case I got targetted by some scum ability that made me unable to hear sounds).
3. Despite point 1, Haneii still asks if Setsuen heard a sound, despite the fact Haneii should know, considering I heard no sound from below me, meaning they used no action, and even if I heard sound below me, they're (As far as we know) a D3 doublevoter.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Actually yeah, i didnt hear a sound from haneii.

@haneii. Did you hear a sound?
MBomb
MBomb
My main thoughts on what could've happened are:

1. Haneii has some kind of ninja ability, where I hear no sounds at night, but instead they are bolded the following day. This would most likely lead to him being scum, as I don't see this benefitting town.

2. Haneii was targetted/used an ability, and someone used something on me that involves me being unable to hear sounds, whilst also being unheard by others (Idk kinda like a commuter that targets someone else? Idk if a role like this exists but it's possible). This would be null, it wouldn't matter what role Haneii has.

3. Haneii got targetted by some kind of ninja scum, and is a JOAT with D3 doublevote, where when a second ability is used, they are bolded. This would of course lead to Haneii being town, as scum would not target one of their own teammates.

I'm not sure which of these is most likely, but considering my townread on Haneii right now, I'd say 1 is least likely, to me, although all of these explanations seem quite unlikely to me, they're just my main thoughts.
MBomb
MBomb
Ok after RB's post, 2 is out of the question for sure.
Sakura
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Haneii wrote:

@Mod: can important events be linked in the op (day start/end), please?
I added them. Let's hope i don't forget to keep it updated this time.
MBomb
MBomb
I'm sleeping now, and then I have college tomorrow, may be on for like a few minutes before college but yeah not enough to post anything probably, so I'll post if I have any other theories before that (If nothing else gets posted about it), and of course read up, once i get back.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Ninja only modifies like tracker rigbt? As in tracker wont know who targetted someone.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
And i dont get 3. If there is joat for scum, wont tjey be more inclined to target their teammates? Like that madoka game with scum doc.

Depending on haneii answer, i think its something simple.
Haneii
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Haneii
Oh sorry, I meant N2, setsuen. Did you hear a sound the night before?
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