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And with that you also seemed to suggest that Jess made the NK, still think that's the case? Also even if not about Ace, you're bound to have an opinion regarding something about Magic Bomb - me pushing him, him having been sure I'm scum, his BD claim and him causing/not causing the noise N1 etc.notscience wrote:
because she was pushing Jess.
Which I've said already.
MBomb
MBomb
MBomb
Honestly, although I can understand reading Setsuen's textwalls can be annoying, you should at least skim read them if anything to get the general message of them. Reading the posts of all players is important.notscience wrote:
I, in all honesty, did not read any of your posts of the parts of the game I have read.
I ultimately replaced in to play with pie (who died).
Which, also begs the question how drezi knows about the dynamic between me and pie.
MBomb
Idk why I I can't hear things- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Hmm also, Jess, could we please hear what you heard? According to a post earlier, you're a VT, so you couldn't have done any action, so you must've heard sounds, right?
In Hindsight, I do believe posting what we heard or not is a bad idea. Read that somewhere from CB. Although I sure don't like Slaini asking people what they heard or not. What did you get from that Slaini?
@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.
I don't think so, with pieguy reading me as town because of redo's post, he should have a read on Zexion by then.
I disagree. It would get really suspicious to keep people who town read you alive, because they would see it as you keeping them alive to vote for other person.
Slaini more than Jess, with me voting Jess as more of a PL vote really.
@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.
Haneii wrote:
In the case of zexion, it came down to activity. With notscience replacing in, pie would/should have be null reading the slot. I guess what I'm trying to say is if NS is scum, he'd shouldn't have felt threatened by Pie.
I don't think so, with pieguy reading me as town because of redo's post, he should have a read on Zexion by then.
Actually not true. Someone can claim to hear something when in fact the person was targeted instead. It only gives a general idea, but I still believe what you said is true with not claiming sounds.Amianki wrote:
People lying about hearing or not hearing anything is NULL because town have just as much reason to lie about it as scum. The difference is scum will immediately be able to tell if someone's a town PR or not.
Somehow this just doesn't sound right. I feel like there is sarcasm involved here.-[Jess]- wrote:
plz i just a VT
Setsuen wrote:
Except I wouldn't kill people who would townread me seeing that if I was indeed invader, there is a high chance that I owuld be the last one to be lynched therefore not killing whoever town read me would have been the way to go. You obv haven't played enough epicmafia sandbox lobby to know that mafia usually kill people who voted them.sLaiNi wrote:
Also, in case that Drezi is scum, she tried to scumpaint Zexion to give her Partner (Jess) free space after Zexion gets lycnhed, so they would have 2 scums without neighbours.
Then an assumption could be Setsuen being scum, the kill pieguy first (as he was rather townread and MB was close to getting lynched anyway) and then, next night they wanted to kill MB, so Setsuen would also be free. So basically after the next day they would be completely undetectable.
I disagree. It would get really suspicious to keep people who town read you alive, because they would see it as you keeping them alive to vote for other person.
The chance of her getting NK'd at this point I feel is like 0. All she's good for scum is keeping her alive in hopes town would lynch her due to playstyle. Why do you believe her VT claim?Drezi wrote:
This doesn't even make sense. What I said is I'd be happy if she were NK-d, because obviously I don't particularly enjoy having her in the game, and with people pushing for her lynch, if she's town, her getting NK-d due to a claim would be way better than getting mislynched or distracting town all the time.
Also notsci claimed hearing noises from her, and she claimed VT, so if notsci isn't lying it means someone must have targeted her last night if she's town, and there's a fair chance that we'll be able to verify that at some point.
Agreed!Setsuen wrote:
What Ace said. The chances of double voters who are ALL town are the same as there being another town miller in game other than me AFTER I claimed.sLaiNi wrote:
How do you come to such an assumption?
ew no. Personally so far I believe Jess+Slaini. I can't bring myself to believe Drezi is defending Jess still.Setsuen wrote:
I STILL SAY SLANI+ZEXION(NOTSCIENCE)+maybe more people scum team OR DREZI+RB+maybe more people scum team.
Pick your side now. Notscience OR Jess.
Slaini more than Jess, with me voting Jess as more of a PL vote really.
- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Hmm also, Jess, could we please hear what you heard? According to a post earlier, you're a VT, so you couldn't have done any action, so you must've heard sounds, right?
Actually, If she's VT, she should have heard nothing if NS was not targeted. I don't think VT/people with no action would hear anything on themselves.
I already stated that I was searching for counterclaims on sounds, after sounds were heard on Jess.Raging Bull wrote:
@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.
Bull.
Shit.
You don't need claims from everyone in order to get a counterclaim for a single action. You're pulling excuses out of your ass.
Shit.
You don't need claims from everyone in order to get a counterclaim for a single action. You're pulling excuses out of your ass.
Actually yes in order to confirm the assertion of the other people.Amianki wrote:
Bull.
Shit.
You don't need claims from everyone in order to get a counterclaim for a single action. You're pulling excuses out of your ass.
You know what makes no sense? Why Jess isn't posting stuff about what she knows from reading D1 and D2.
@slaini what was the purpose of the sound massclaim, did you achieve said purpose and what did you get out of it?
Topic Starter
Vote Count 3.06
-[Jess]- (4) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi [L-2]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki
Not Voting (5) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, Ace Timing, -[Jess]-
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
-[Jess]- (4) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi [L-2]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki
Not Voting (5) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, Ace Timing, -[Jess]-
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Pretty much. I don't think it's ridiculous, but okay.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
@everyone: what's with suddenly taking almost all pressure off Zexion/ns? Unless literally the only reason you were voting them was because they were getting a replacement and you didn't know if they'd find one, but that seems ridiculous.
Who would you like to vote for today?
I'm not reading his posts because I don't particularly care for the opinions of someone who thinks they're better than everyone else.
That being said, you saying "why are we all ignoring this person" without putting pressure on me yourself is scummy.
That being said, you saying "why are we all ignoring this person" without putting pressure on me yourself is scummy.
Post after school
Topic Starter
Vote Count 3.07
-[Jess]- (4) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi [L-2]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki
Not Voting (5) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, Ace Timing, -[Jess]-
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
-[Jess]- (4) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi [L-2]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki
Not Voting (5) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, Ace Timing, -[Jess]-
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
@NS do you think its more likely jess did an action vs someone targetted her? And why
Haneii wrote:
Pretty much. I don't think it's ridiculous, but okay.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
@everyone: what's with suddenly taking almost all pressure off Zexion/ns? Unless literally the only reason you were voting them was because they were getting a replacement and you didn't know if they'd find one, but that seems ridiculous.
Who would you like to vote for today?
It seems thats how the zexion wagon was. Only drezi provided a reason to vote.
Pretty sure the zex wagon was just an info lynch as opposed to the alternative policy lynch on Jess.
I doubt that any protective targetted her.
We know it wasnt a killing action or she'd be dead.
We already had an investigative flip, I highly doubt there are more than one.
So.
We know it wasnt a killing action or she'd be dead.
We already had an investigative flip, I highly doubt there are more than one.
So.
Based on the evidence given there are several possible scenarios.
1. Jess is scum that killed pieguy and that was the sound.
2. Jess is town and notty is lying about the sound.
3. Jess is town and was protected by a doctor or other similar role.
4. Jess is town doctor and fake claimed.
5. Jess is scum and notty is bussing.
Right now, 1, 3, and 5 are the most likely
I'll be sticking with 1 until there's anything that convinces me otherwise.
VOTE: Jess
1. Jess is scum that killed pieguy and that was the sound.
2. Jess is town and notty is lying about the sound.
3. Jess is town and was protected by a doctor or other similar role.
4. Jess is town doctor and fake claimed.
5. Jess is scum and notty is bussing.
Right now, 1, 3, and 5 are the most likely
I'll be sticking with 1 until there's anything that convinces me otherwise.
VOTE: Jess
L-1 than orz
Next-[Jess]- wrote:
Post after school
Not like it is not how Jess usually acts but ok.-[Jess]- wrote:
L-1 than orz
@Ace I got to the most obvious conclusion and that's exactly what you posted. Either way someone wouldve started the massclaim and tbh I didn't get as much as I hoped from it.
You couldn't have created your conclusion list above without the knowledge of all sounds that happened.
But I just did.
Wow. Teach me how to better myself at mafia.notscience wrote:
I doubt that any protective targetted her.
We know it wasnt a killing action or she'd be dead.
We already had an investigative flip, I highly doubt there are more than one.
So.
Im convinced. Will hammer before I sleep in like 6 hourish unless someone has anything else.
sLaiNi wrote:
I already stated that I was searching for counterclaims on sounds, after sounds were heard on Jess.Raging Bull wrote:
@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.
I didnt really care you were asking for sounds but CB did bring a good point. I honestly just dont believe your excuse. But then thats apparently not scummy for everyone else
sLaiNi wrote:
@Ace I got to the most obvious conclusion and that's exactly what you posted. Either way someone wouldve started the massclaim and tbh I didn't get as much as I hoped from it.
You got like more than half afaik. I dont understand why you dont think scum wont lie.
I only needed one. And one if the conclusions acknowledges the case of that sound being false.sLaiNi wrote:
You couldn't have created your conclusion list above without the knowledge of all sounds that happened.
So please tell me how a single other soundclaim could confirm the sounds being real, if the other person next to Jess is dead?Ace Timing wrote:
I only needed one. And one if the conclusions acknowledges the case of that sound being false.sLaiNi wrote:
You couldn't have created your conclusion list above without the knowledge of all sounds that happened.
In this scenario I only needed one sound. Presenting another scenario will prove nothing.
sLaiNi wrote:
So please tell me how a single other soundclaim could confirm the sounds being real, if the other person next to Jess is dead?
Presenting another scenario? Are you kidding me?Ace Timing wrote:
In this scenario I only needed one sound. Presenting another scenario will prove nothing.
So you basically accuse me of thing and negating my explanation for it, because you would only need one vote to counterclaim the soundclaim of NS and when I tell you it is not possible in case that the other person next to Jess is dead (which is actually the case now) and then you basically slip that you don't even know that.Sakura wrote:
~Night 2~
- The Register -
Current Housing
[Zexion]
[-[Jess]-]
[-VACANT-]
All Night actions are due within 24 hours of this post
You're close to getting the finger
slani defended Zexion who was replaced by NS. How come you're not that suspicious of NS as compared to slani?Raging Bull wrote:
@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.
I already stated that he was lurking hard. That is reason enough to policy him for both info and the fact that he has a high chance of flipping scum.Ace Timing wrote:
Pretty sure the zex wagon was just an info lynch as opposed to the alternative policy lynch on Jess.
Also you're dreaming if you think any possible doc would be on Jess. They WOULD HAVE BEEN ON PIEGUY.
NS+Slani
or Jess+RB+Drezi
Right now I am leaning towards NS+Slani scumteam POSSIBLY with Amianki FOR VERY OBV REASON CALLED LURKING.
Would you say there are abilities that change, where sounds are coming from`?Setsuen wrote:
slani defended Zexion who was replaced by NS. How come you're not that suspicious of NS as compared to slani?Raging Bull wrote:
@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.I already stated that he was lurking hard. That is reason enough to policy him for both info and the fact that he has a high chance of flipping scum.Ace Timing wrote:
Pretty sure the zex wagon was just an info lynch as opposed to the alternative policy lynch on Jess.
Also you're dreaming if you think any possible doc would be on Jess. They WOULD HAVE BEEN ON PIEGUY.
NS+Slani
or Jess+RB+Drezi
Right now I am leaning towards NS+Slani scumteam POSSIBLY with Amianki FOR VERY OBV REASON CALLED LURKING.
Also Jess, could you please make any content on what you think, because RB literally said he is ready to hammer you. So do me a favor and
1. Try to defend yourself
2. Post what you think on anybody
1. Try to defend yourself
2. Post what you think on anybody
Topkek literally made that list with one sound I don't see why your massclaim plays a part in it at all.
And how does the slot below jess being dead relate in any way to your massclaim attempt? Your massclaim won't make up for the lack of sound info from that slot at all.
You literally just twist my words in my mouth. It was you who said, that you would only need two claims to have a proven sound (the one above and the one below the person who gets accused of making sounds). Then, afterwards, you make it sound like I said that lawl.Ace Timing wrote:
And how does the slot below jess being dead relate in any way to your massclaim attempt? Your massclaim won't make up for the lack of sound info from that slot at all.
the [i] Text was added by me.Ace Timing wrote:
In this scenario I only needed one sound [to have a proven soundclaim]. Presenting another scenario will prove nothing.
So if you think closely it is important that Jess' neighbour is dead, because you can't prove the soundclaim of NS with the two people around her, so the only way is to seek for other sounds, in which case the murdering might have happenend only through her.
It's so obvious that you are trying to scumpaint. Inb4 Amianki/Ace Timing scumteam (even though this would mess up my whole way of thoughts)
Topic Starter
Vote Count 3.08
-[Jess]- (5) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing [L-1]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki
Not Voting (4) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, -[Jess]-
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
-[Jess]- (5) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing [L-1]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki
Not Voting (4) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, -[Jess]-
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
I still don't see your point. That scenario list is completely valid with just one sound, and massclaiming won't help because there's still only one slot that can hear jess.
I already stated that it might not have been the best or most successful idea.
I just tried to not let you get away with turning around my words
I just tried to not let you get away with turning around my words
Fuck i fell asleep. I dont see final thoughts helpful from jess. She will probably say post later or some shit.
vote jess
vote jess
Actually RB is right about the post later stuff
It's 22:12 here, ill sleep now.
I FoS Drezi, Amianki and a bit of Ace.
It's 22:12 here, ill sleep now.
I FoS Drezi, Amianki and a bit of Ace.
How did I twist your words if I don't quote you or mention any specific point at all? .-.
How did I twist your words if I don't quote you or mention any specific points you make at all? .-.
Rip I thought that didn't send like half an hour ago
and if there are abilities that changes where sound comes from, it will probably be a scum ability since any sane town other than me would have outed that ability just to decrease WIFOM.
Topic Starter
Final Vote Count Day 3
-[Jess]- (6) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull [LYNCH!]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki
Not Voting (3) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, -[Jess]-
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
-[Jess]- (6) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull [LYNCH!]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki
Not Voting (3) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, -[Jess]-
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
I stated i will hammer like yesterday. I also like what NS said and saw no reason why any other role would target jess. Our investigation role also flipped so let me know what role would like to target her with her playstyle.
Topic Starter
Jess: Hmm ask me in a few hours
notscience: I heard sounds coming from your house, it can't be anyone else.
Jess: Brb, Gotta eat.
Haneii: Yeah i don't believe her either.
sLaiNi: No other sounds contradict
Amianki: Why are you even asking about Sounds? FFS!
Jess: I sleep i just vt.
Ace Timing: It has to be you!
Raging Bull: Yeah everything makes sense, there's no one else.
Jess: orz
As Jess is lynched, you find she falsified some papers to be able to live in the treehouse... what a scum!
-[Jess]- Outsider in the Tree (Mafia Goon) was lynched Day 3
notscience: I heard sounds coming from your house, it can't be anyone else.
Jess: Brb, Gotta eat.
Haneii: Yeah i don't believe her either.
sLaiNi: No other sounds contradict
Amianki: Why are you even asking about Sounds? FFS!
Jess: I sleep i just vt.
Ace Timing: It has to be you!
Raging Bull: Yeah everything makes sense, there's no one else.
Jess: orz
As Jess is lynched, you find she falsified some papers to be able to live in the treehouse... what a scum!
-[Jess]- Outsider in the Tree (Mafia Goon) was lynched Day 3
Jess
Sakura wrote:
Hi, you are an Outsider in the Tree (Mafia Goon)
You and your partners have invaded the treehouse to take it for your own and establish a new base of operations.
During the day you may vote and talk.
During the Night, you may do your mafia deeds.
-REDACTED-
You win when your faction controls half the votes or nothing can prevent this from happening
Topic Starter
- The Caretaker -
Current Housing
[-VACANT-]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[Drezi]
Deadline for Night actions is 24 hours as of this post.
Topic Starter
No one died Night 3
~Day 4~
- The Landmaster -
Current Housing
[-VACANT-]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[Drezi]
Deadline for Hammer is 9/8 17:00 GMT-5
- The Landmaster -
Current Housing
[-VACANT-]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[Drezi]
Deadline for Hammer is 9/8 17:00 GMT-5
Vote Count 4.0
Not Voting (9) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Amianki, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Not Voting (9) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Amianki, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Hey drezi, whats your role.
hey RB, why exactly would I tell you that? why would you even ask me that?
[vote]slaini[/vote]
> Mafia Goon
Glad to know I am not the only person with a lousy role.
Glad to know I am not the only person with a lousy role.
MBomb
I must have missed something. Why are we voting slani after Zexion's replacement NS becomes very town due to the Jess lynch?
are you all voting slani to find out if she's scum double voter? IS ANYONE THERE? ANSWER PLOX
You're clearly not paying attention if you don't understand why I'm voting for sLaiNi.
FTR I'm not a doublevoter.
FTR I'm not a doublevoter.
Topic Starter
I can't answer this question- Magic Bomb - wrote:
@mod: is Haneii's name meant to be bolded, or is that just bolded for no reason?
Vote Count 4.01
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Amianki
Not Voting (7) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Amianki
Not Voting (7) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Also, I heard slaini tonight.
So slaini, do you have something to share with the class?
So slaini, do you have something to share with the class?
I do not understand the question.Setsuen wrote:
I must have missed something. Why are we voting slani after Zexion's replacement NS becomes very town due to the Jess lynch?
Clearly bc I was apparently focusing slani for another reason entirely.(Which was bc he defended Zexion which made me think it was Zexion+slani scum team)Amianki wrote:
You're clearly not paying attention if you don't understand why I'm voting for sLaiNi.
FTR I'm not a doublevoter.
Now enlighten me. It's 6:37am here and I am trying to eat my huge breakfast.
Amianki wrote:
really.
Did you even read my ISO on D1 and 2.
Yeah, because comparing the posts between me, who has been posting small posts not very often, and you, who has posted more posts and in longer chunks, is totally comparible.
You're ignoring the fact that I asked whether you did read my ISO bc if you did, you would have known that I labelled Zexion and slani as a scum team.Amianki wrote:
Yeah, because comparing the posts between me, who has been posting small posts not very often, and you, who has posted more posts and in longer chunks, is totally comparible.
bc I still don't know how slani is suspicious other than the fact that she might be scum double voter.Amianki wrote:
And how is that relevant to anything?
ok.
Back to my earlier statement. If you paid any attention to my posts at all yesterday, you'd know why I'm voting him.
Back to my earlier statement. If you paid any attention to my posts at all yesterday, you'd know why I'm voting him.
so we're lynching bc of rolefishingAmianki wrote:
ok.
Back to my earlier statement. If you paid any attention to my posts at all yesterday, you'd know why I'm voting him.
MBomb
that moment when you realise you didn't get a result bc somebody prob visited you
you being visited has nothing to do with what YOU hear afaik.
Sakura wrote:
anyone taking no action will be able to know if a player above or below them was targeted or targeted someone described as "hearing sounds above/below".
>implying that I'm actually not a JOAT with one of the abilities being double vote for one day
Yeah I heard votes, but that doesn't immediately indicate he's scum, he could've been healed by doc or something like that.
Yeah I heard votes, but that doesn't immediately indicate he's scum, he could've been healed by doc or something like that.
Topic Starter
If you didnt get a result, means you didnt hear any sound.Setsuen wrote:
@Mod:I DIDN'T GET MY N3 RESULT WHY
I'm waiting for the next VC to reveal yet another double voter lol
MBomb
I know that, I was just checking because if you said no we'd have known one of you were lying unless scum had the ability to target someone and make them hear no sound, which I'd highly doubt but it's possible.Ace Timing wrote:
>implying that I'm actually not a JOAT with one of the abilities being double vote for one day
Yeah I heard votes, but that doesn't immediately indicate he's scum, he could've been healed by doc or something like that.
I'm curious about haneii's bonded name jazz
Topic Starter
Vote Count 4.02
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Amianki
Not Voting (7) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Amianki
Not Voting (7) - Haneii, sLaiNi, Ace Timing, Raging Bull, Drezi, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
so MB literally did nothing then. 10/10 I wish I got a better house
*bolded
@RB wanna elaborate on your little outburst?
Actually the chance of doc being in this game actually doesn't seem too high as of the evidence available so
VOTE: Slaini
VOTE: Slaini