Actually I consider both types of today's maps pretty much fucked up. Even any random Insane difficulty is mostly completely overrun with retarded patterns and stuff which didn't exist back then.Granger wrote:
I dont understand how ctb specific maps are always so fgfhfkfefdef compared to converts of exactly the same star diff. Played a bunch of 4* stuff today, doing reasonably well with like ~97.50%, came across a few ctb specifics and got roflstomped by these.
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If i had to guess, thats because converts are completly unpredictable - their spacing is all over the place because how the conversion works. No consistency whatsoever. Didnt expect that sudden 6x jump out of no where? Yeah, i didnt either.Zak wrote:
It should actually be the opposite, converted maps of the same difficulty as specifics are usually far harder, I can FC 4* ctb maps like they're nothing but converts actually take several tries if I even end up doing them at all.
Even so, i feel converts are overall more enjoyable than the specifics. Rain level maps are mostly "Yeah, not gonna be able to Fc that, probably not even pass" and platter is too easy almost all the time.
If so, why dont they have a higher star rating? Isnt the star rating supposed to tell you how hard a map is to fullcombo? I mean, i understand that the SR is by no means perfect, but the averange 4* ctb map feels like your averange 5* converted map and that consistently. (im starting to really struggle at 4.5* converts for reference.)zSkill wrote:
Because they are made for ctb? and they are SUPPOSED to be harder lol, converts is more of a complimentary thing, like a extra bonus, some converts can be hard but I think a 7 star ctb map vs a 7 star convert the 7 star ctb map will be always harder because it's designed to be like that way, extended spacing and hard stair jumps etc.
And frankly, there are way too little ctb specific maps ranked to see converts as just complimentary. I've downloaded EVERY SINGLE ranked ctb map and yet i find that i dont have enough maps in my range. Doesnt help that a lot of these are just guestdiffs of std sets and dont have easier difficulties.
I think most CTB 4 stars are far easier than STD converted 4 stars. Maybe it's because you're used to playing STD converted maps?Granger wrote:
If so, why dont they have a higher star rating? Isnt the star rating supposed to tell you how hard a map is to fullcombo? I mean, i understand that the SR is by no means perfect, but the averange 4* ctb map feels like your averange 5* converted map and that consistently. (im starting to really struggle at 4.5* converts for reference.)
And frankly, there are way too little ctb specific maps ranked to see converts as just complimentary. I've downloaded EVERY SINGLE ranked ctb map and yet i find that i dont have enough maps in my range. Doesnt help that a lot of these are just guestdiffs of std sets and dont have easier difficulties.
I do agree that we have too few CTB specific maps, would like to see some more maps around 5.5-6.5 stars (they must also be nice to play and fit the song). I mean right now we have a few Overdoses around 5-5.5 stars and then we have like 1 star empty space (except 2 Marathons) and then there's 6.5 stars with a few songs.
As you get better, you will notice you're going to do better and better on specifics while barely anything will change on converts. It's only natural, one mistake on a CTB specific map will disrupt your flow, maybe even make you a miss hyper which leads to more misses. CTB specifics are a lot more punishing but when you are able to FC them, 4 stars converts will seem like a nightmare compared to 4 stars specifics.Granger wrote:
If so, why dont they have a higher star rating? Isnt the star rating supposed to tell you how hard a map is to fullcombo? I mean, i understand that the SR is by no means perfect, but the averange 4* ctb map feels like your averange 5* converted map and that consistently. (im starting to really struggle at 4.5* converts for reference.)
You hit it right on the nail, good stuff o/PakaChan wrote:
As you get better, you will notice you're going to do better and better on specifics while barely anything will change on converts. It's only natural, one mistake on a CTB specific map will disrupt your flow, maybe even make you a miss hyper which leads to more misses. CTB specifics are a lot more punishing but when you are able to FC them, 4 stars converts will seem like a nightmare compared to 4 stars specifics.
Hmm, that makes sense. Thank you for explaining it to me!PakaChan wrote:
As you get better, you will notice you're going to do better and better on specifics while barely anything will change on converts. It's only natural, one mistake on a CTB specific map will disrupt your flow, maybe even make you a miss hyper which leads to more misses. CTB specifics are a lot more punishing but when you are able to FC them, 4 stars converts will seem like a nightmare compared to 4 stars specifics.Granger wrote:
If so, why dont they have a higher star rating? Isnt the star rating supposed to tell you how hard a map is to fullcombo? I mean, i understand that the SR is by no means perfect, but the averange 4* ctb map feels like your averange 5* converted map and that consistently. (im starting to really struggle at 4.5* converts for reference.)
I'd hope its not that way qwq i find difficulty can be complemantary to make a map more enjoyable and fitting to its song...but saying it should ALWAYS be the case is kinda meeeh to me.zSkill wrote:
Because they are made for ctb? and they are SUPPOSED to be harder lol, converts is more of a complimentary thing, like a extra bonus, some converts can be hard but I think a 7 star ctb map vs a 7 star convert the 7 star ctb map will be always harder because it's designed to be like that way, extended spacing and hard stair jumps etc.Granger wrote:
I dont understand how ctb specific maps are always so fgfhfkfefdef compared to converts of exactly the same star diff. Played a bunch of 4* stuff today, doing reasonably well with like ~97.50%, came across a few ctb specifics and got roflstomped by these.
most specifics are designed to be supper snappy or have a flawless route of Hitcircles/Sliders in various kinds of patterns and sometimes i find that kinda boring,
having the feeling of a pattern/movement Route being unexspected is sometimes getting me out of the headspace of "Having to be accurate or else i'll miss"
If anything, that would make converts harder, which is the opposite of my problem.Seph wrote:
welp thats the answer you were looking for.Granger wrote:
unpredictable
Seph
Converts of the same star rating are (generally) a bit harder because of the way the star rating works, overrating hyperdashes. CTB specifics have (usually) consistent jumping, with patterns steadily increasing the star rating; converts (speaking mostly for insanes and below here) have sections that translate into really little spacing (so they increase star rating a tiny bit), and then a really hard pattern (1/4 spread sliders, timing jumps) comes and shoots the star rating, creating a sudden difficulty spike that makes them harder to FC, while both are the same star rating.
inb4 this is the worst explanation ever and noone understands.
inb4 this is the worst explanation ever and noone understands.
Seph
worst explanation ever and i dont understandZiRoX wrote:
Converts of the same star rating are (generally) a bit harder because of the way the star rating works, overrating hyperdashes. CTB specifics have (usually) consistent jumping, with patterns steadily increasing the star rating; converts (speaking mostly for insanes and below here) have sections that translate into really little spacing (so they increase star rating a tiny bit), and then a really hard pattern (1/4 spread sliders, timing jumps) comes and shoots the star rating, creating a sudden difficulty spike that makes them harder to FC, while both are the same star rating.
inb4 this is the worst explanation ever and noone understands.
/runs
Its simple
Convert map : not made for ctb so we have cancer patterns we have to retry 1 million times to pass them
CTB map : No cancer at all , can be fc easily , we miss only because of skill
Convert map : not made for ctb so we have cancer patterns we have to retry 1 million times to pass them
CTB map : No cancer at all , can be fc easily , we miss only because of skill
That's correct in theory
Problem is we have CtB mappers include cancer in their maps as well...
Problem is we have CtB mappers include cancer in their maps as well...
Please, this is really a rude conversation against the ctb mappers who are still keeping their progress for enjoyable maps.Seph wrote:
Well converts are imo more worth playing than CtB specifics since they are all getting repetitive as of now.
I didn't play much this year and my feeling is 80% of ranked ctd are about easy hdash that make the map 5-6 stars.
Actually if i like the song i'll probably replay the map. There is some 4stars rain that are more fun than last 6stars ranked.
Actually if i like the song i'll probably replay the map. There is some 4stars rain that are more fun than last 6stars ranked.
the sweet pp talk
It's been so long and people still can't play for simple enjoyment
What you talkin bout? While i unloaded my frustation related to the sr, i dont give a single crap about pp and just want to catch fruits.Zak wrote:
It's been so long and people still can't play for simple enjoyment
Hell, i often dont even go for fc because retrying a map with 1-3 misses untilll they all are gone is about the least fun thing to spend your time at i can imagine.
But i guess thats just me then... *shrugs*
Seph
i highly think not
i would have to disagree on something here, some CTB maps actually are "cancer" or the sweet pp talkBadis wrote:
Its simple
Convert map : not made for ctb so we have cancer patterns we have to retry 1 million times to pass them
CTB map : No cancer at all , can be fc easily , we miss only because of skill
I don't think there are many cancer CTB maps, at least the newer ones aren't cancer.-Ryuujii- wrote:
i would have to disagree on something here, some CTB maps actually are "cancer" or the sweet pp talkBadis wrote:
Its simple
Convert map : not made for ctb so we have cancer patterns we have to retry 1 million times to pass them
CTB map : No cancer at all , can be fc easily , we miss only because of skill
I feel like some shouldn't exactly be looked at as cancer, but I feel like a few maps are pushing how high the difficulty should be for said map, this by no means applies to any and all hard maps, just some specific ones.
What's up, guys? 
OMG
hey wbGiorgos wrote:
What's up, guys?
Heeey, nice to see some other dinosaurs of CTB, my friend!alienflybot wrote:
hey wbGiorgos wrote:
What's up, guys?
Thank you!I'm also here :3 Nice to see you back buddyGiorgos wrote:
Heeey, nice to see some other dinosaurs of CTB, my friend!
Greetings, my another ctb dinosaur friend, nice to see you too!Kingkevin30 wrote:
I'm also here :3 Nice to see you back buddyGiorgos wrote:
Heeey, nice to see some other dinosaurs of CTB, my friend!
I wish I was around long enough to be considered one of the super old players
Well, in my opinion, it was fun to play in 2009-2011, because everyone had an equal chance to get #1 on maps, top players were tough at that time,but with some practice everything was possibleZak wrote:
I wish I was around long enough to be considered one of the super old players
Here is an example : https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=47686&m=2I was the second man who made FC with no mods here, the first one was kenji, and we all would NEVER ever think, at that time, that someone will make not just Hidden, but Hidden+HR !!!
Now it's very hard to take #1's, because players became too strong, and ExGon has some kind of monopoly here, in my opinion, which I salute, I'd do the same if I could, and actually, for example, because of me and Louis long time ago many beginners quit this game, because we were taking all their places
It was fun, it was exciting, and it became a motivation for many players to increase their in-game abilities and improve their skills 
Now I feel myself just like these guys, who gave up, because nothing is eternal and it's a normal thing, cause each era has it's own heroes - There was a talented HD+DT player mikhe (who spoiled himself and became a FL cheater, screw him), there was kenji, there was Darksoul, misa, LirsRosso (another cheater) and many many other players..then came joynama, then Shana, then Velperk - each of these guys had his own time but most of them quit now..I am proud to call myself a good old player and I hope that this monopoly will fall one day, and I hope, that there won't be any cheaters anymore Yep, it is relatively easy to get #1s in the old days.Giorgos wrote:
Well, in my opinion, it was fun to play in 2009-2011, because everyone had an equal chance to get #1 on maps, top players were tough at that time,but with some practice everything was possible
I was the second man who made FC with no mods here, the first one was kenji, and we all would NEVER ever think, at that time, that someone will make not just Hidden, but Hidden+HR !!!
Now it's very hard to take #1's, because players became too strong, and ExGon has some kind of monopoly here, in my opinion, which I salute, I'd do the same if I could, and actually, for example, because of me and Louis long time ago many beginners quit this game, because we were taking all their places
I remember I got like ~400 #1s back in 2010 and 2011, then I went afk for 8 months around 2013, and boom I lost like 300 #1s.
However it is not really important to play for #1s or pp but for fun.
Giorgos wrote:
Well, in my opinion, it was fun to play in 2009-2011, because everyone had an equal chance to get #1 on maps, top players were tough at that time,but with some practice everything was possibleZak wrote:
I wish I was around long enough to be considered one of the super old players
I was the second man who made FC with no mods here, the first one was kenji, and we all would NEVER ever think, at that time, that someone will make not just Hidden, but Hidden+HR !!!
Now it's very hard to take #1's, because players became too strong, and ExGon has some kind of monopoly here, in my opinion, which I salute, I'd do the same if I could, and actually, for example, because of me and Louis long time ago many beginners quit this game, because we were taking all their places
yes, that`s true fact. so, i just play to enjoy in this game. when i like song is ranked only , then go to #1 in that map. (i saw one of the Legends ctb player ! )