In terms of mechanical complexity, how does DOTA2 compare with LoL? I know both are incredibly more complex than Smite (Plat 2 jungler there). Just wondering what everyone thinks.
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Also are there any VP fangays here? Go go Illidan (yeah that's the real one)!I have around 1k hours in LoL (peaked at plat 2 playing all roles) and around 4k hours in Dota, don't know if that makes me qualified enough to answer.
Anyway in my opinion LoL takes more raw mechanical skill in general, there is just way more focus on it. Since every champ has 4 active abilities (and some more) as oppsoed to Dota where you can have up to 3 passive skills instead and also the lower cooldowns and manacosts you can and have to use more stuff more often which I find really demanding at times, especially considering everything is a skillshot nowadays and you have to consistently dodge.
That said there are some heroes in Dota which go way beyond any LoL champ, for example Meepo, Chen, Lone Druid, Tinker etc. So if you want to have a REAL challenge try to get good at these.
Also there are way more game mechanics in Dota in general like pulling, stacking, creep aggroing (no you can't compare LoL's creepwave management to this xD) and so on, but tbh they are not really hard to pull off. Also even now I learn new tricks every other day whereas in LoL I've got the feeling I have already seen everything.
tl;dr if you care purely about mechanical complexity LoL > Dota
but in terms of overall complexity (because there is just way more stuff) Dota > LoL
Anyway in my opinion LoL takes more raw mechanical skill in general, there is just way more focus on it. Since every champ has 4 active abilities (and some more) as oppsoed to Dota where you can have up to 3 passive skills instead and also the lower cooldowns and manacosts you can and have to use more stuff more often which I find really demanding at times, especially considering everything is a skillshot nowadays and you have to consistently dodge.
That said there are some heroes in Dota which go way beyond any LoL champ, for example Meepo, Chen, Lone Druid, Tinker etc. So if you want to have a REAL challenge try to get good at these.
Also there are way more game mechanics in Dota in general like pulling, stacking, creep aggroing (no you can't compare LoL's creepwave management to this xD) and so on, but tbh they are not really hard to pull off. Also even now I learn new tricks every other day whereas in LoL I've got the feeling I have already seen everything.
tl;dr if you care purely about mechanical complexity LoL > Dota
but in terms of overall complexity (because there is just way more stuff) Dota > LoL
wanna watch illidan streaming osu! someday 
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why noone has posted that here, just realized it
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why noone has posted that here, just realized it
man being a support is fun wtf
Mercurial
ah yes the tie-breaker TI between europe and china. should be interesting. Actually it's guaranteed to be interesting from what we saw in groups, this comeback meta makes a great viewing experience overall.
I'm like 99% sure it's going to end with secret vs lgd, i dont see any other turn-out. from there it's a toss-up. Teams are a lot more even and it's due in part to the very comeback mechanics that define this patch. It's not like TI3 where all the money was on Alliance to win since groups because they were visibly better than everyone else, and it's not like TI4 where.. okay to be honest i missed TI4 completely and just watched the finals via VOD and had no regrets about missing it at all..
It's gonna be hard to top ti3 finals though, regardless of who is matched up.
I'm like 99% sure it's going to end with secret vs lgd, i dont see any other turn-out. from there it's a toss-up. Teams are a lot more even and it's due in part to the very comeback mechanics that define this patch. It's not like TI3 where all the money was on Alliance to win since groups because they were visibly better than everyone else, and it's not like TI4 where.. okay to be honest i missed TI4 completely and just watched the finals via VOD and had no regrets about missing it at all..
It's gonna be hard to top ti3 finals though, regardless of who is matched up.
Tbh you missed pretty much if you didn't watch TI4. Yeah, everyone ist circle jerking about how bad the finals were (and rightfully so), but apart from that other games were really good.xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
ah yes the tie-breaker TI between europe and china. should be interesting. Actually it's guaranteed to be interesting from what we saw in groups, this comeback meta makes a great viewing experience overall.
I'm like 99% sure it's going to end with secret vs lgd, i dont see any other turn-out. from there it's a toss-up. Teams are a lot more even and it's due in part to the very comeback mechanics that define this patch. It's not like TI3 where all the money was on Alliance to win since groups because they were visibly better than everyone else, and it's not like TI4 where.. okay to be honest i missed TI4 completely and just watched the finals via VOD and had no regrets about missing it at all..
It's gonna be hard to top ti3 finals though, regardless of who is matched up.
Also I am still betting on Secret vs EG finals, I don't trust LGD to keep performing at this high level considering TI2.
secret vs eg would be great, no matter who wins, 1488 prevails. but i think it's highly unlikely to have a no-asians final.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1685977625
worst game of dota 2 ive ever played in my life despite winning. nonstop hyper aggression and offensive wards and smokes and zoning and augh, noone could farm safely the whole game.
oh well, at least TI starts soonish.
worst game of dota 2 ive ever played in my life despite winning. nonstop hyper aggression and offensive wards and smokes and zoning and augh, noone could farm safely the whole game.
oh well, at least TI starts soonish.
Man, I was always a Cty fan but I did not expect him to deliver in such a way this match.
Anyone has the TI5 schredule? I mean, I don't know when does it start
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@PatZar: You have a salad of items
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My bets were all in Secret
brb crying
brb crying
Allstar match is taking a long time to start man.
10 v 10 hype
10 v 10 hype
Gaah, i didn't have enough of quota for that.
Will DL the replay later.
Will DL the replay later.
i'm random player, and my team was support me to avoid a shit feeder tag lolMercurial wrote:
The thing about support Tiny is that needs a shitton of mana or mana regen to work out.
NA'VI FIRST TI5 TEAM ELIMINATED HYPE
ALSO, RIP NAVIFAG LOL
LUCA MASTERRACE metafalica <3Shurelia wrote:
This year's TI5 All Stars match is probably the best match i've ever seen.
That comeback is asdf.
That comeback is asdf.
best comeback ever
LB Finals and Grand Finals LETS GO
Hope EG beats LGD to face CDEC again, and then we get a 5-game grand finals. Nothing but some good ol' china vs NA dota, but if it happens this time it's a fucking wildcard team vs the only western hope! Benefits the viewership too, they'd lose much western fans hype in general if it's gonna be an all-chinese finals. Ppd pls deliver an actual draft this time. Although ultimately I'm leaning towards CDEC because such a beautiful story if they win it all.
JIA YOU
Hope EG beats LGD to face CDEC again, and then we get a 5-game grand finals. Nothing but some good ol' china vs NA dota, but if it happens this time it's a fucking wildcard team vs the only western hope! Benefits the viewership too, they'd lose much western fans hype in general if it's gonna be an all-chinese finals. Ppd pls deliver an actual draft this time. Although ultimately I'm leaning towards CDEC because such a beautiful story if they win it all.
JIA YOU
dat 10 v 10 prehorn clash tho
Mercurial
SumaiL too strong
VP too strong
I can finally start having a normal sleep schedule again.
EG MASTER RACE
If Fear keeps playing, the next TI will be with his grandchildren. lol'd
Old man fear finally takes the championship.
Edit: Also syndereN made Tobiwan look so really small man.
Edit: Also syndereN made Tobiwan look so really small man.
lets not forget the best moment of TI5, i fell out of my chair from shock
any good hero to counter QOP on mid ?
I tried DP but i won't be able to play on Late game.
Tried clockwerk and it's no no.
I tried DP but i won't be able to play on Late game.
Tried clockwerk and it's no no.
You won't have a chance with melee heroes.Shurelia wrote:
any good hero to counter QOP on mid ?
I tried DP but i won't be able to play on Late game.
Tried clockwerk and it's no no.
Try Lina, Skywrath, TA, Puck, Pugna, Leshrac.
Maybe i should sharpen my Lina's skills then.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Thanks for the suggestions.
you dont need to beat qop in lane to win game, just don't lose it terribly and don't not punish her roam.
qop is win lane lose game: the hero
just pick something that's better out of lane
qop is win lane lose game: the hero
just pick something that's better out of lane
Just pick Lesh.Shurelia wrote:
any good hero to counter QOP on mid ?
I tried DP but i won't be able to play on Late game.
Tried clockwerk and it's no no.
Dunno if i should use Lesh or not. orz
why not?Shurelia wrote:
Dunno if i should use Lesh or not. orz
It's a great hero, gives the team a little bit of everything.
Also lightning storm now makes landing that stun way easier.
Don't turn him into a dirty Leshrac picker. :^)
Well, will try to use him after i finished learning to use Storm properly. :^)
Also tried to use morph but meh.. 0<--<
Also tried to use morph but meh.. 0<--<
Who cares if you're a dirty Lesh picker, you gotta do what you gotta do to win.
Morph has fallen quite far every patch.Shurelia wrote:
Also tried to use morph but meh.. 0<--<
remember Ti2 morphling? yeah those were the days.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1711062998
i have no idea what this tiny was trying to do with that build, but he sure did make it easy to win [im the disgusting slark picker]
i have no idea what this tiny was trying to do with that build, but he sure did make it easy to win [im the disgusting slark picker]
Seph
It's because they aren't kicking Fear, who is the face of EG. He wanted to play support because of his hand injury, which leaves Aui the odd one out.
hahaha the time after TI is my second most favourite time of the year, just because of stuff like this *grabs popcorn*
R.I.P. Team Secret
Not sure which is worse, the dota community or the osu community B
dota by far rofl[ HotSalza ] wrote:
Not sure which is worse, the dota community or the osu community B
tetris community is the worst
In Dota 2, you won't get silenced without a warning
MikuMikuRin wrote:
In Dota 2, you won't get silenced without a warning
Mercurial wrote:
That video is priceless.
Bug overloade /o/
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
damn the reborn.
The bugs keep appearing while i'm playing.
give us back old dota pls.
The bugs keep appearing while i'm playing.
give us back old dota pls.
Dunno man. My PC seems to run source 2 smoother than source 1.
The only issue I have with source 2 is having to restart the game when I need to actually play DOTA just to avoid the heroes' names changing because of custom game modes.
The only issue I have with source 2 is having to restart the game when I need to actually play DOTA just to avoid the heroes' names changing because of custom game modes.
Pudge (IMBA) lmao
LMAOOOOO
That veng buff
techies got nrefed yay!
40 spells/items have reduced cooldowns, 1 spell has increased cooldown :v
dude , he's also able to bloodlust the Tower.Mercurial wrote:
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Shurelia wrote:
techies got nrefed yay!
Time to uninstall the game
Also, the game automatically joined my city's chat channel, i didn't knew there were so many Dota players in my city. That's scary
Mercurial
This thing just highlighted the fact that there are literally thousands of idiots playing this game at the same time around the area and that they apparently like spamming their mmr in chat in an attempt to establish dominance.FuZ wrote:
Shurelia wrote:
Also, the game automatically joined my city's chat channel, i didn't knew there were so many Dota players in my city. That's scary
Good thing I just found the option to stop joining those channels automatically. I don't really want to see people bragging and trash talking as I open the game.Ceph23 wrote:
This thing just highlighted the fact that there are literally thousands of idiots playing this game at the same time around the area and that they apparently like spamming their mmr in chat in an attempt to establish dominance.
Who here plays some gemtd/wraith night? Custom games hell yeah.
TECHIES HAS BEEN BUFFED
OooOoooOOooOOOSeph wrote:
from jeepney to bugatti
Congratz!!
Good lord. That's massiveShurelia wrote:
http://www.dota2.com/balanceofpower
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SF and Drow would conquer the pick rate.
I'm skeptical about the new hero, too, ever since Phoenix I haven't had fun playing any of them (except for Terrorblade).Shurelia wrote:
SF and Drow would conquer the pick rate.
The new Zeus helm looks badass though, I gotta admit. That cloud is awesome too
You mean Faceless Void.Shurelia wrote:
SF and Drow would conquer the pick rate.
Bristleback be jizzin everywhere
gdi dragon lance and aether lens build on every single damn (ranged) heroes.
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