And the way Amianki resisted massclaim was so suspicious the first thing I thought was godfather when I saw the cop-inno, but I was like no way, I just gotta deal with it and accept I was wrong..
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Fuck off with the same info I'd do the same again.fartownik wrote:
DREZI TARGETING BOTH REMAINING SCUM WITH HIS MOTIVATOR ROLE XD
Did we play the same game?Drezi wrote:
And the way Amianki resisted massclaim was so suspicious the first thing I thought was godfather when I saw the cop-inno, but I was like no way, I just gotta deal with it and accept I was wrong..
I never mentioned massclaim at all until you asked me why I wasn't specifically suggesting we do so. Then when we actually did a mass claim, my first post of that day was my claim.
Oh yeah, i actually forgot about the fact that Navizel said that roles were made before alignments, that meant that godfather gave scum an auto win button.
Please dont ever do that, that'd be grounds for voiding wins on MS.
Please dont ever do that, that'd be grounds for voiding wins on MS.
I'm actually still confused as to why you thought I'd have suggested massclaim by that point anyway.
I meant the way you brushed me off, when I asked you about it.Amianki wrote:
Did we play the same game?Drezi wrote:
And the way Amianki resisted massclaim was so suspicious the first thing I thought was godfather when I saw the cop-inno, but I was like no way, I just gotta deal with it and accept I was wrong..
I never mentioned massclaim at all until you asked me why I wasn't specifically suggesting we do so. Then when we actually did a mass claim, my first post of that day was my claim.
That's weird; that conversation should've been the least scummy thing I did since I'm pretty sure I'd have said something at least very similar as town since those are my actual views on massclaiming.
Because I quoted you saying you need to balance around it happening D1, which suggests it's something town should do ideally.Amianki wrote:
I'm actually still confused as to why you thought I'd have suggested massclaim by that point anyway.
I have nearly no experience with massclaims myself, it looked like a good idea to me at that point, and I expected proper explanations as to why or why wouldn't it be a good idea.
You also kind of brought it up out of nowhere and I couldn't understand why, so >_>
Maybe it was a bad read on my part, but that's the impression the convo gave me.
Im not going to be harsh on navi tho, since it was his first time modding. I'm pretty sure he probably learned from all of this.
Also re: massclaim, if all scum can be caught with a massclaim on D1 then your setup's not good, that's why mods usually work around it, hence making a massclaim happening D1 pointless. Suggesting a massclaim D1 is assuming the mod fucked something up.
Yeah, even without having all the info I already did, I still would've came to the same conclusion just from the GIF stamp.
So basically amianki was caught for the wrong reasons 
No, I understand the D1 thing, but I'm asking about the massclaim at the time I suggested it, with already so many claimed roles and possibly confirmed towns, that would be the NK targets if true etc.
Completely null reasons, yes. Not like it went anywhere, but eh.
Actually, with how often I get scumread for reasons that make no sense to me, I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised.
Maybe it has to do with you not realizing you're looking scummy, otherwise you'd be avoiding said things, zzz
The only fatal mod error i saw here was the "roles before alignments" statement with a godfather that gave scum an auto win button should the godfather be scanned by a cop, which is what happened. Really be more careful next time.
As I said the way you refused to explain to me why my idea wouldn't be good and even used it as a reason to softpush me was what I had a problem with.
And I'm actually still waiting for that since I honestly was not sure about it, and haven't really recieved a proper explanation. Sakura you can answer that too now.
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And I'm actually still waiting for that since I honestly was not sure about it, and haven't really recieved a proper explanation. Sakura you can answer that too now.
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not even going to use my modding experience as an excuse but yes, I definitely learned from all of this.Sakura wrote:
Im not going to be harsh on navi tho, since it was his first time modding. I'm pretty sure he probably learned from all of this.
A massclaim should usually happen sometime along the line yes, usually by the time you'd be 1 day short of LyLo if all lynches land on town if not earlier, or when town assumes 1 scum remaining, since usually claiming roles and targets helps catch scum in a lie, as to why before LyLo? because that'll give town enough to make informed decissions on a single night based on the actual roles, or in case of CCs or whatever.
Of course a possibility of 6 deaths in a single night makes the setup way too swingy to be able to predict when will the best momment for a massclaim be.
So what was wrong with me suspecting Amiaki over half assedly brushing off my idea without explaining why he thinks it's shit and he'd rather not, and going on to push me for trying to ask him all this?
Unless you're asking me for my reasons for scumreading amianki which was entirely meta related, and not related to your mass claim suggestion nor his reactions to it.
That specific comment was regarding my town game, actually.Drezi wrote:
Maybe it has to do with you not realizing you're looking scummy, otherwise you'd be avoiding said things, zzz
He did explain why from what i remember, but your reasons for suspecting it was because of out of game related reasons of his statement about mods working around massclaims happening D1, from what i remember anyway.
I just explained it for the third time, I think that it was not. That was only the reason I brought up the topic, and asked him about massclaim, and thought it might not be a bad idea at that time for us.
huh, wasn't massclaim happening D3 anyway? D2 is usually not a good idea for a massclaim.
Oh btw Navi, if you need any help with your upick let me know.
Amianki: Design around massclaims D1.
Drezi: Whynot here D1?
Amianki: GIF setup cannot be broken.
Drezi: Oh ok.
Drezi: Whynot now, though considering we have farto eating NK prolly anyway, and a fair share of claims/softs having been outed already? Please explain if I'm wrong.
Amianki: I don't feel comfortable, don't ask me, you're scum.
Drezi: I think you are...
Drezi: Whynot here D1?
Amianki: GIF setup cannot be broken.
Drezi: Oh ok.
Drezi: Whynot now, though considering we have farto eating NK prolly anyway, and a fair share of claims/softs having been outed already? Please explain if I'm wrong.
Amianki: I don't feel comfortable, don't ask me, you're scum.
Drezi: I think you are...
Did the bolded really happen i don't remember it.Drezi wrote:
Amianki: Design around massclaims D1.
Drezi: Whynot here D1?
Amianki: GIF setup cannot be broken.
Drezi: Oh ok.
Drezi: Whynot now, though considering we have farto eating NK prolly anyway, and a fair share of claims/softs having been outed already? Please explain if I'm wrong.
Amianki: I don't feel comfortable, don't ask me, you're scum.
Drezi: I think you are...
Along the course of several posts.
I condensed it in an exaggerated way to get my point and thought process across.
I condensed it in an exaggerated way to get my point and thought process across.
could you link me to the post where it happened? I think you might be misinterpreting something but i could be wrong.
Yeah i read up until the vote.
re: fartownik shouldn't claim - fartownik as confirmed town should be the only person that shouldn't claim at all unless he has info on scum, if he doesn't then there's no need to claim, for all scum knows he could've been a VT and wasted a kill on him because he was town, or have a powerful role and scum let him live because conf town with wrong reads, conf town doesnt always mean they'll die next night, but usually at some point along the line, in this case fartownik being 1-shot BP AND having wrong reads would ensured him living for a while if he had claimed unless scum wasted their strongman on him which i doubt they'd resort to if he had wrong reads.
There's never any real interest for town to know what roles the town has unless it can catch scum, the info at hand wasn't enough to require a massclaim at that point in time because all 3 scum were still living, and there was potential deadly roles for scum like Frostings.
Speaking of... Frostings, never claim being roleblocked if you're town unless your role is already outed, it doesnt help town catch scum because you have no info and you get a big Target mark on your back.
re: fartownik shouldn't claim - fartownik as confirmed town should be the only person that shouldn't claim at all unless he has info on scum, if he doesn't then there's no need to claim, for all scum knows he could've been a VT and wasted a kill on him because he was town, or have a powerful role and scum let him live because conf town with wrong reads, conf town doesnt always mean they'll die next night, but usually at some point along the line, in this case fartownik being 1-shot BP AND having wrong reads would ensured him living for a while if he had claimed unless scum wasted their strongman on him which i doubt they'd resort to if he had wrong reads.
There's never any real interest for town to know what roles the town has unless it can catch scum, the info at hand wasn't enough to require a massclaim at that point in time because all 3 scum were still living, and there was potential deadly roles for scum like Frostings.
Speaking of... Frostings, never claim being roleblocked if you're town unless your role is already outed, it doesnt help town catch scum because you have no info and you get a big Target mark on your back.