Zexion wrote:

Tose two remarks aren't necesary at all, SNB. Are you trying to become some kind of victim? Like "why would I try speaking if everyone is going to scumread me". I see you posting now but what were you trying to do back then?

Yeah idk, it was just a combination of farto's jumps and the atmosphere of his post(s) that pissed me off.

Tess wrote:

Okay, question to everyone: What are you gonna do when I get lynched and turn out to be town?

Call you the worst townie I've yet seen.

Oh wait, you said "and". I thought you said "if I".

Now I'll call you a liar instead.

...
(Waking up is as hard as ever)
Everything is still as confusing as ever but I hope to get over it soon.

Why i voted for Frostings:
From the lack of post that Frostings have (and many from the beginning), make me think that he is only trying to protect himself from the amount of votes from him (and he is successful) but it is giving me some scumvibes on Frostings because (similar to my situation) of the lack of activity for the game. He may be trying to lose attention from the others.
I may be wrong on a side note. He might just be busy and unable to post here.

My thoughts on other players:
Static Nose Bird, Irreversible, -Magic Bomb-: Town
Why:
Their posts are not giving me any scumvibes and their behaviour seemed okay to be a town.
Others:
I need to think about them...

I agree, Magic Bomb. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm almost entirely certain SNB and farto are scum but I'd like to hear what the others think. Irre seems to be suspicious of them as well, I'm mainly curious about Drezi, rEdo, and Ami's opinions on everything that happened so far. I think Frostings would be too confused to make a proper read, but hey, his vote's on me, so this just looks like some kind of defense.

Time to wait on the others, I guess.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Oh wait, you said "and". I thought you said "if I".

Now I'll call you a liar instead.

Getting awfully aggressive, aren't we?~

It's almost like you really don't want to be considered scum.

Easy bait.

It's weak, but more than I expected from a new player (This sounds very hypocritical coming from someone else who's on their first game but yeah).

Unvote

Tess wrote:

Of course there's a specific reason that it shouldn't be stated. Why else wouldn't I?

Taking too much time doesn't count as a specific reason. Abridge it if you have to.

Frostings wrote:

Amianki wrote:

Substantiate this, please.

Ok, "No way" is kinda exaggerated because who knows what actually goes on in people's minds, but usually first time scum players in only their second ever mafia game don't go running around picking out a specific person to legitimately townread at the very beginning of the game after rvs (I say legitimate because I'm pretty sure he actually read me as town from my fluff posts and from your own "Ok Frostings is town" post)
Not sure why this is such a big deal (got fartow's jimmies rustled as well) when it's a small read after rvs that might not become of anything, and it's not an "obvtown" post that you always do

This tone change is disturbing, predominantly the bolded. I was initially suspicious that this was an attempt to cover for a scumbuddy and this response is doing nothing to change that.

Tess wrote:

I didn't want to mention said thing, was kind of pushed into it. Also, secretive does not mean scum.

no

Sniverre235 wrote:

Drezi wrote:

So yeah I'm looking at you Sniverre and Jess.

I want the Frostings townread explained, and any updates based on the past like 10 pages of posts lol. If you're town, don't fret just honestly tell us what made you think of him as town.

Sorry for the very late reply, but when I first saw the amount of vote for frostings..I figured that I should follow the crowd. Since I do not really want to change at all for who I vote, so I will just stick to Frostings. Since I am completely new in mafia, he may be equally good and equally bad in my senses.
P.S:
I am really sorry for the low amount of post counts but I come here frequently to read. I do not have much intention to post here unless it is important.

yeeeeeeeeah

If there's scum in the newer players, I'd place it here. The general attitude is null, but the amount of effort put into explaining it is off-putting.

Tess wrote:

Vote: SNB

fartownik wrote:

Vote: Tess

It stays.

Drezi wrote:

Vote: SNB

The fuck is this?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Done reading.

Vote: Sniverre235

um

Sniverre235 wrote:

Nahh...For a second thought I should stick to what I am thinking right now

This post and the last Sniverre post are probably town; I like this slot more now.

Frostings wrote:

m y g o d
this game is so bad
FoS: fartownik
Honestly, we're just trying to see where your thoughts lie, fartow, and you get extremely offended and hostile for no reason

FoS: Sniverre
sorry, but new player just isn't gonna cut it, bad play is just bad

Vote remains on Tess

I'll do better explanation of reads later, on my phone with 5% battery

This post really bugs me but I can't tell if it's scum making up fluff or just us being completely unsynced to each other.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

My vote on Sniverre is mainly because they're just following the crowd for the whole game, not really having their own thoughts (And if they are, they're not showing that they are). I know they're a new player, so I can't expect them to be fully independent, but at the same time, it feels like they're not even trying to read the game, and just voting whatever everyone else is, and I don't really like that kind of play.

However, I would still like to hear Jess's reasoning behind the vote on Sniverre. Whilst I assume it was the same as mine, I didn't really expect another vote, especially not so quickly.

This is dead null from newer players. General attitude is only alignment indicative if you can apply it to specific people, and even then it can easily fail if they know about it.

(bottom of 20)

It's us being massively unsynced to each other. It's getting on my nerves.

Tess wrote:

It's almost like you really don't want to be considered scum.

Do you?

Somehow the Snivierre vote from Jess didn't go through; the 'um' was directed to both that and Magic Bomb's vote.

Tess wrote:

It's us being massively unsynced to each other. It's getting on my nerves.

what

I don't care. The only thing I think fucked things up for me was saying I had suspects at all.

It's interesting, because I said I had my reasons to be suspicious, I warned the other towns to pay attention to the thread, and the moment I vote on SNB, farto immediately after votes on me, after retracting his vote on Zexion. Then, first post he makes after, SNB is like "I'm okay with wagons on me ", then does his amazing "2 kills at once" post (which is only a minor slip, which is why I explicitly stated that I didn't want to elaborate on my reads based on minor things, but still kept being egged on to do so) and votes on me as well. And guess who votes me after that... Zexion.

Yeah, I don't trust this.

I'm changing my reads. Frostings is null-town for me now, and Zexion up there with SNB and farto. Prove me wrong.

Amianki wrote:

Tess wrote:

It's us being massively unsynced to each other. It's getting on my nerves.

what

Everyone whom I think to be town (except Frostings maybe) doesn't seem to have a very clear idea on who to think scum. They keep changing their ideas. Is that not being massively unsynced?

I don't have willpower to read through 50 more walls tonight and I'm pushing it by being awake at all right now.

I'll see about spamming the thread with small posts during my lunchbreak tomorrow.

Tess wrote:

Amianki wrote:

what

Everyone whom I think to be town (except Frostings maybe) doesn't seem to have a very clear idea on who to think scum. They keep changing their ideas. Is that not being massively unsynced?

Yeah, but that came out of nowhere and I don't understand what you're responding to.

I mean I can "prove you wrong" right away with that you're instantly scumreading everyone scumreading you apparently. Best tactic 2k15.

And that was directed towards Tess to avoid any confusion, whoops.

Tess wrote:

slip

jesus

no

Also I don't understand what the problem is with someone getting an early read on me considering I'm probably one of the easiest people to read on the site.

@Amianki: it was directed at your post of town being unsynced to each other.

@SNB: I actually already suspected you before you scumread me, which is why I voted you in the first place. Are you gonna grasp at every straw to abstain yourself from being scumread? The only reason I would think you're town at this point would be because it's incredibly stupid to push so hard against someone, knowing they're town, without some kind of plan for after they get lynched. That's the only valid argument you have going for you right now, to me.

lol okay I'm done talking to you SNB

Tess wrote:

@SNB: I actually already suspected you before you scumread me, which is why I voted you in the first place. Are you gonna grasp at every straw to abstain yourself from being scumread? The only reason I would think you're town at this point would be because it's incredibly stupid to push so hard against someone, knowing they're town, without some kind of plan for after they get lynched. That's the only valid argument you have going for you right now, to me.

The funny thing is that there was literally zero "evidence" whatsoever of me being a scum before I got active several hours ago. I had just returned from the meatworld and I saw a random wagon on me, so how did anything in that particular wagon have anything to do with actually suspecting me of anything? All I had done earlier were quick posts to state my FoS on farto, if that's a good enough reason to get a wagon on me then I don't know what to tell you guys.

Tess, nothing about your response makes any sense to what I was saying.

I give up lol

hello yes I'm here and reading

Sniverre235 wrote:

Why i voted for Frostings:
From the lack of post that Frostings have

Sniverre235 wrote:

it is giving me some scumvibes on Frostings because of the lack of activity for the game. He may be trying to lose attention from the others.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT??????????????????????????????
ARE WE EVEN IN THE SAME GAME ???

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

It's weak, but more than I expected from a new player (This sounds very hypocritical coming from someone else who's on their first game but yeah).

Unvote

WTF????????????

Frostings wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

It's weak, but more than I expected from a new player (This sounds very hypocritical coming from someone else who's on their first game but yeah).

Unvote

WTF????????????

If you're asking WTF to my unvote, it's not because I think Sniverre is town, but more, I think there is a scum somewhere out of SNB, Tess, and Fartownik, and at this moment in time tracking down which one of those it is would make more sense, to make sure we make the right decision here, to avoid a mislynch.

HOW ON EARTH IS THAT POST EVEN REMOTELY OK????
1. Hypocrisy fucking EVERYWHERE
2. You voted for me JUST AFTER RVS, and your reason for it is because I WAS LACKING POSTS????
a) I was actually posting the most between the end of RVS and the beginning of the actual game to generate discussion and move away from RVS
b) even if I wasn't posting at all, how is that reason ok to have your vote remain on me until this stage of the game?

WHAT IS EVEN GOING ON ANYMORE

I'm gonna second Frostings' "WTF" on Magic Bomb's post, though I sort of understood. Sniverre isnt very high on my suspects list.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

more than I expected from a new player

this part is totally WTF

oh yeah, tess, big wall coming up for you

Frostings wrote:

oh yeah, tess, big wall coming up for you

tfw big wall is about to come up just as I'm about to sleep ;w;

Oh god...Frosting...
Gotta be more careful from this point onwards

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

tfw big wall is about to come up just as I'm about to sleep ;w;

Same.

I don't even know how to begin replying to your giant wall

The reason I didn't want to join in on the whole "let's make reads even though we ain't got nothin'"-train is because whoever is scum is doing a fucking good job here. I was waiting until either I had a slip I could work with from someone or until I got a proper votecount to support my arguments. I don't like thi game, not because it's "bad" but because whoever is scum is either being really retarded or really clever here. But the more impractical posts of the game seem to be just that - impractical.

Tess, you do realize that town benefits from information? Public knowledge is extremely good for town. You might think, "oh but scum has information as well" and that's not true. Scum already knows who town is. We towns have no idea. This is why we "make reads even though we ain't got nothin" because OF COURSE WE HAVE FUCKING NOTHING. we make reads, do analysis, and post everything publicly because of sheer numbers. There are 3 scum and 9 town right now. By posting what I'm thinking, sure I'm letting 3 scum know what my intentions are, but I'm also letting 8 town know as well.
8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 and strength in those numbers wins town games.

But in order to do that, we need to get the rest of town to cooperate. Think why you wouldn't cooperate with us when you get a huge advantage for town.
If you want to try to keep your reads a secret from us and find scum on your own, sure you can do that, but now you're technically playing 1 vs 11. You see where I'm going? I write this because you're "new", and IF you're town, you need to lose your attitude and start playing the game with us. (This goes for Sniverre and Jess as well)

Unfortunately for you, Tess, I don't think you're town :^)

Tess wrote:

I don't like thi game, not because it's "bad" but because whoever is scum is either being really retarded or really clever here. But the more impractical posts of the game seem to be just that - impractical.

Apparently you haven't played enough mafia games. Usually scum is not blatantly obvious, because then why would we play mafia at all? Not sure why you would assume scum is being stupid though.

Tess wrote:

So, since there weren't any scumslips that other townies would understand, I just wanted to point out to people that the votecount is ambiguous as fuck, and it basically goes to show that town is confused and has no idea where to even begin looking for scum.

You know that part of the "confusion" we're having is because of you?

Tess wrote:

This can only mean one of two things;

1. Scum is being confusing as shit on purpose
2. Scum is being confusing as shit out of inexperience/impracticality

Yep, you already mentioned that.

Tess wrote:

Now, I noticed this very early on, in particular when Frostings made that ridiculously stupid RVS post at the start, which caused fartownik to jump on him not long after, despite it being an obviously silly post. A post that wasn't well thought-out, and that didn't hold much actual meaning towards the game; something that made me think was a town move to pull, but I still wanted to see how he behaved under pressure, and it was as expected.

I'm not sure who you're talking about here, me or fartow

Tess wrote:

So, at that point, I was basically left with a game of idiots

You're complaining about town being "confused", but all you're doing is provoking it, especially by calling the entirety of town trash.

Tess wrote:

I'm not gonna be retarded and try to scumpaint people without having good reason to do so like everyone else has been doing.

1. AGAIN you call the ENTIRETY of town retarded, you're effectively dismissing EVERYONE'S posts up to this point
2. Do you not realize what we're doing? We're using our day effectively to try to generate discussion, because that's pretty much all that town get. And here you are keeping silent, refusing to cooperate and wasting our time. Maybe think for once.

Tess wrote:

This is why I told you guys to read carefully rather than firework your way through scumreads without actually knowing why.

Wrong.

Tess wrote:

I basically wanted the game to grow more before making anything out of them rather than do what the rest was doing

So basically you're stalling and preventing discussion.

Tess wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

so we can lynch two scum at once instead of just you?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

so we can lynch two scum at once

Static Noise Bird wrote:

two scum at once

Static Noise Bird wrote:

at once

What am I even reading, why is this significant?
Oh, reaction testing. uhhhhhhhhhhh

Tess wrote:

I null-read Amianki because he didn't do any things I've found suspicious, while not the same can be said of Sniverre, but I don't have enough on Sniverre for a full scum read on him like with you or farto

so what did he do that's suspicious?

Tess wrote:

Okay, question to everyone: What are you gonna do when I get lynched and turn out to be town?

Well, maybe shed a few tears about how we have no information from you to work with day 2 and forced to just use VCA instead, because you thought you were a top-tier player by being silent on your thoughts

Tess wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Oh wait, you said "and". I thought you said "if I".

Now I'll call you a liar instead.

Getting awfully aggressive, aren't we?~

It's almost like you really don't want to be considered scum.

Easy bait.

>_> Tess, you're just making things way worse for yourself

This is getting retarded.

Frostings wrote:

Tess wrote:

This is why I told you guys to read carefully rather than firework your way through scumreads without actually knowing why.

Wrong.

Sorry, I misread this sentence. Yes, we should be reading carefully. No we should not be fireworking our way through scumreads without knowing why, but who is doing that? Apparently YOU because you have three "scumreads" based off of "hunches" that even you can't explain

ok gotta recharge after that post holy

I'm fine with being lynched, this game is getting stupid. If it's not SNB and farto at the very least being scum then idk anymore. Out of curiosity though, Frostings, who else do you think is scum? Don't you have any other suspicions?