15:08 Shoegazer: 00:45:592 - avoid any pattern like this
15:08 Shoegazer: funnily enough staircases are like the worst pattern in both spread and index
15:09 Shoegazer: 00:43:314 - am fond of these types of patterns though, basically any pattern that turns relatively often or rather just more natural in movement would be fantastic
15:10 TheZiemniax: heyy I'm sorry but I got kicked, could you write improvements for SHD once again?
15:10 Shoegazer: i'll let you know later
15:10 Shoegazer: these are just my thoughts on 2D
15:10 TheZiemniax: kk
15:10 TheZiemniax: i got 900k while being quite not in my good sprindex state
15:11 Shoegazer: 00:53:203 - really unnatural movement
15:11 TheZiemniax: definitely fcable if I try hard enough
15:11 TheZiemniax: oh btw Harby told me some things about trills
15:12 TheZiemniax: 01:13:203 - here
15:12 Shoegazer: 00:59:703 - staircase pattern again, try to avoid this
15:12 TheZiemniax: that they're harder than strewms
15:12 Shoegazer: yeah that part is pretty annoying to hit through transitioning from streams
15:12 TheZiemniax: I always hit it :v
15:13 Shoegazer: 01:00:758 - 01:02:647 - very fond of these patterns, would like to see these more
15:13 TheZiemniax:
15:13 Shoegazer: 01:04:314 - very little turning, rather unnatural movement but it's not too significant of an issue
15:14 Shoegazer: basically 12321 43234 1234321 esque patterns feel unnatural for the most part, would prefer not to have them (it's like tachyon delta patterns)
15:14 Shoegazer: but your choice regardless
15:14 Shoegazer: yeah the trills.. i'm not overly fond of it but it's not super bad to hit for two fingers
15:15 TheZiemniax: in 00:53:203, the jumps are unnatural?
15:15 Shoegazer: and honestly there's not many other ways to actually change it
15:15 Shoegazer: the [12][34] pattern
15:15 TheZiemniax: ok
15:15 TheZiemniax: will change to [12][23][34]
15:16 Shoegazer: works
15:16 Shoegazer: 01:14:981 - lmao
15:16 Shoegazer: rude as fuc
15:16 TheZiemniax: 00:59:925 (59925|1,59981|2) - inverting those notes would work?
15:17 Shoegazer: yeah it'd work
15:17 Shoegazer: candles are more natural although harder
15:17 Shoegazer: but yeah 1:14 part I'd highly recommend changing those patterns
15:17 Shoegazer: those patterns are obnoxiously hard
15:18 TheZiemniax: oh
15:18 TheZiemniax: I always loved to hit those candles xD
15:18 TheZiemniax: but well I guess index has it much harder than sprindex, so I will change them
15:18 Shoegazer: 01:22:981 - probably vary this up?
15:18 Shoegazer: straight rolls are kinda boring to hit
15:18 Shoegazer: 01:29:203 - same with this
15:19 Shoegazer: 01:32:758 - this is more of a general thing more than anything else, but 131s and 242s are much easier to hit than 121s and 343s, so try to use those more often than 121/343
15:19 Shoegazer: there's a considerable amount of 121/343s
15:20 Shoegazer: 01:41:647 - missing note
15:20 TheZiemniax: omg i deleted it by accident lmao
15:20 TheZiemniax: wooo thanks
15:20 TheZiemniax: well if it comes to un-varied patterns I wanted to make them also for the spread players
15:20 TheZiemniax: sort of doublestyle mapping
15:20 Shoegazer: fair enough
15:21 TheZiemniax: but now I see they're boring xD
15:21 Shoegazer: 01:51:425 - should change this, it sucks for both spread and index
15:21 TheZiemniax: candles at the end hehe
15:21 Shoegazer: I don't mind the candles too much at the end
15:21 Shoegazer: rest are personal gripes, those are the main things
15:22 TheZiemniax: okay, will apply them asap
15:22 Shoegazer: as for jepetski's bit
15:22 Shoegazer: 00:13:647 - really really long up-arrow anchor here, should probably shorten the anchor for that section after the jumptrill
15:23 Shoegazer: if he wants to keep the anchor change 00:14:314 - to [12][34][12][34][12]
15:23 TheZiemniax: hmm well if for SHD, a question
15:23 TheZiemniax: is it possible to bump up the * rating
15:23 TheZiemniax: like in AiAe
15:24 Shoegazer: yes but I don't see much of a point
15:24 TheZiemniax: not that I'm a pp bitch but pretty much every diff except for SC is underrated as fuk
15:24 Shoegazer: I don't think that's an issue :p
15:25 TheZiemniax: well 4,2 for 2D, I wonder if QATs will notice that
15:25 TheZiemniax: xD
15:25 Shoegazer: yeah that's a significant misrating
15:25 Shoegazer: anyway just one other thing about jepetski's difficulty that I wanted to point out but forgot to
15:25 Shoegazer: when I talked to him about Empress anyway
15:26 Shoegazer: 01:16:758 - this entire section has a lot of one hand trills that are longer than 5 notes, making it noticeably harder than the first jumpstream
15:26 Shoegazer: if it's intentional, ignore this
15:26 TheZiemniax: he nerfed the handstreams but I think he forgot about nerfing trills
15:27 Shoegazer: i'm glad that he nerfed the handstreams because honestly i was getting so many mindblocks on it
15:27 Shoegazer: honestly I'd say that The Empress is actually SS'able now15:27 TheZiemniax: 2D 01:04:314 - , changed the first two to 13231 42324
15:27 Shoegazer: works
15:27 Shoegazer: not the best part, but it's good enough
15:27 TheZiemniax: kept the other 12321 43234
15:27 Shoegazer: pattern*
15:27 Shoegazer: sure
15:27 TheZiemniax: well I have no idea what to insert there. let it be.
15:28 Shoegazer: yeah it's fine honestly
15:28 Shoegazer: i don't have an idea of what to put either
15:28 TheZiemniax: my biggest concern are now the trill-to-candle because I wonder how to make them natural actually
15:28 Shoegazer: can you copy paste the timestamp?
15:29 TheZiemniax: 01:13:203 - to 01:16:314 -
15:29 TheZiemniax: I thought about making trills 1/2 shorter but uh I like long ones, so I will keep them
15:29 Shoegazer: there's nothing "unnatural" about that section
15:29 Shoegazer: it's just that the candles are really really hard to hit
15:29 Shoegazer: considering that you got so much tension from the trills before it
15:29 TheZiemniax: as for candles, I want an repetitive pattern that's quite fun to play too
15:30 TheZiemniax: 1324231 maybe
15:30 Shoegazer: honestly there's nothing wrong with the candles themselves
15:30 Shoegazer: it's 01:15:869 -
15:30 TheZiemniax: yeah I know, they just bump the difficulty
15:30 Shoegazer: well it's that one transition
15:31 Shoegazer: just change it to something like... idk. 3-note minitrills or so?
15:31 TheZiemniax: ohh
15:31 TheZiemniax: it fits here!
15:31 Shoegazer: same can be applied for the ending btw
15:32 TheZiemniax: 01:15:647 - pattern here changes to 131 424 131 424
15:32 TheZiemniax: I think the candle to 3trill are fair enough
15:32 Shoegazer: that works
15:32 Shoegazer: I think it is as well
15:34 Shoegazer: and honestly candles are nice spread patterns
15:34 TheZiemniax:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3406301 does that work for wariation
15:35 Shoegazer: yeah that works
15:35 Shoegazer: honestly you don't need much "variation", it's just that straight rolls are just annoying to hit on index and boring to hit on spread
15:35 Shoegazer: you lose either way
15:39 TheZiemniax: I changed 01:30:981 - so now there are two onehanded trills and two twohanded trills
15:39 TheZiemniax: instead of four onehanded
15:40 Shoegazer: might've highlighted the wrong timestamp
15:40 TheZiemniax: 01:51:425 - there I will propably go with 1313 2424 1313 2424
15:41 Shoegazer: sure
15:41 TheZiemniax: I meant this 01:32:758 - to this 01:33:425 - , now its 121 434 131 424
15:42 Shoegazer: yeah that's fine
15:42 TheZiemniax: k now lets test all of that
15:44 TheZiemniax: should be okay.
15:45 Shoegazer: i'll look at it again once you update
15:45 TheZiemniax: omg fck u Eze
15:45 TheZiemniax: now it's 4,23
15:45 TheZiemniax: bye bye MLG
15:45 Shoegazer: noooooooooo
15:45 TheZiemniax: but seriously how has the * rating changed
15:45 Shoegazer: patterns somehow
15:45 TheZiemniax: dont tell me * rating looks at patterning xD
15:46 Shoegazer: it actually does
15:46 Shoegazer: albeit so insignificant that it almost doesn't matter
15:47 TheZiemniax: okay I updated 2d
15:50 Shoegazer: auto broke in the trills
15:50 Shoegazer: i think there might be something there
15:50 TheZiemniax: oooh
15:50 TheZiemniax: I will have to test all diffs for things like that
15:50 TheZiemniax: uh
