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Navizel
"You're being contradicting" sounds bad to me that's why I changed it to "You're being a hypocrite." I know they mean the same thing but I just wrote the latter because I didn't want to figure out the former to make it correct. That's actually my only reason. I'm sorry if that sounded more offending.
sLaiNi
I guess no problem there. ^^
Ace Timing
:x

sLaiNi wrote:

Navizel wrote:

I never asked you to vote someone else especially someone who hasn't posted here for 3 days.
Eitherway the point is, that I suspected her for a long time.

The point is not that I don't want people to vote for her, instead I don't want us to lynch her. That was bad wording on my side there (writing vote instead of lynch).
how can you have people vote for her and not lynch her. Voting and Lynching have a direct correlation. By voting for people, they get lynched. That whole post makes no sense.
Ace Timing
the fuck is that emoji at the top...
didn't even put it there...
Drezi

Ace Timing wrote:

how can you have people vote for her and not lynch her.
?? you can pressure someone and decide to lynch or not based on their defense and the way others join the wagon etcetc.
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

how can you have people vote for her and not lynch her.
?? you can pressure someone and decide to lynch or not based on their defense and the way others join the wagon etcetc.
Exactly how I meant it.
Hika
I'm back. I'll post something later, please wait.
Hika
Actually no, I want a replacement here. Sorry guys.
sLaiNi

Hika wrote:

Actually no, I want a replacement here. Sorry guys.
Oh, I hope everything is alright.

If not, I wish you all the best. Was a nice game with you and thanks for it.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.07


[3] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion, sLaiNi
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Ace Timing -- -[Jess]-
[1] Zexion -- Hika
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --



[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Static Noise Bird
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Hika and Sakura are being replaced.
Navizel
Sakura too? woah
Ace Timing
How would one interact with a replacement? They won't know anything about what their predecessor was think or their plans, so how would they be able to dispel any suspicions?
Zexion

Zexion wrote:

Did you read Hika's ISO? You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there.
I did. Am I supposed to take a hint from the "yeah I was just reaction testing" posts?[/quote]

No. Read it from the side of Hika's masterplan.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

So now you are actually claiming? Because some posts ago you told us to interpret as we wished. You can't expect me to townread you after your attitude and shady claim. I'm not gonna trust you after that, then again, I have no intention to lynch you, at least not today.
Also Zexion, it's meant to lure people. If people decided to lynch me even though I claimed I'm going to scumread whoever got lured.
For the Nth time, I'm not gonna vote you, but I can't trust you. I think I made this clear already, so why are you -still- worried about this?

Ace Timing wrote:

Navizel wrote:

You're being a hypocrite* seems like a better fit than contradicting there. whoops.
No need to switch from observational to derogatory here...
A little note, that's not derrogatory. Being hypocrital is a non-ofensive term. Calling it "a f**** liar* would be derogatory.

Ace Timing wrote:

How would one interact with a replacement? They won't know anything about what their predecessor was think or their plans, so how would they be able to dispel any suspicions?
I'd like to join at this question here for the more experienced players. If Hika's replacement starts making sense then it could change our reads, so far why are we voting Hika is her overall attitude, I didn't see something like a scumslip...

Also sorry for my low activity but I was pretty busy these days.

Also Sakura replacing out? :o Unexpected...
Navizel

Ace Timing wrote:

How would one interact with a replacement? They won't know anything about what their predecessor was think or their plans, so how would they be able to dispel any suspicions?
Don't trust the replacements. Kappa

but that's just me speaking from my experience lel
Topic Starter
Amianki
rEdo replaces Hika.
Nyquill replaces Sakura.

Both will be effective immediately (AKA the moment I send the PMs out).


EDIT: rEdo is V/LA until July 1.
Nyquill
Hi, I'll catch up soon.
Nyquill
Jess, Drezi, Ace Timing

What's your experience with mafia?

Drezi wrote:

Navi make sure you jail me at night :)
FoS: Drezi

There's nothing town you can possibly gain from this. Explain yourself.
Birdy
Wow. Shit. Didn't expect this.

@mod: V/LA until July 4th~5th. In the middle of moving out (which will finally happen on July 4th). Should be able to check things daily, but nothing is sure, especially how well am I able to post.
Ace Timing

Nyquill wrote:

Jess, Drezi, Ace Timing

What's your experience with mafia?
I've never played this game before online, but I have played this game irl, but with a larger number of people (20-25).
Drezi

Nyquill wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Navi make sure you jail me at night :)
FoS: Drezi

There's nothing town you can possibly gain from this. Explain yourself.
Mainly a taunt/sarcasm because his prev post made me wonder about his claim, and if he happened to be scum he'd want to kill me, also wanted to get in some wifom protection at the same time.

You just replaced in, post your reads of Hika (and Hika only, without rEdo coming into the picture yet), Zexion, Slaini and Ace. More is welcome.
-[Jess]-

Nyquill wrote:

Jess, Drezi, Ace Timing

What's your experience with mafia?
Never played this game before in online,played a game that smiler of this in Real life.

The game call 'killer'

The killer game has lots of different Roles

And the night time was longer that day time
Nyquill
oh god that entire twist turn conversation was so confusing

Hika's the best lynch via PoE, but I'm not moving Sakura's vote because sLaini's move onto the Hika wagon felt paranoid.

Its great that we have long deadlines.
Nyquill
Hey Navizel, we don't care about you today. Try to be more aggressive. We are less likely to want to lynch you tommorow if you're still around. It helps us greatly. By aggressive I don't mean continually be paranoid about Zexion's read on you either.

Zexion, how do you feel about Slaini and Drezi?
Drezi
Why the two of us specifically?
Nyquill
I'll answer that after he answers me.
Ace Timing

Drezi wrote:

Why the two of us specifically?
If you read Nyquil's posts you probably wouldn't need to ask that.
Drezi
really
Drezi
the questions I ask, is not because I'm clueless in regards to the likely or possible answers, I want to see how THEY answer obviously...
Drezi
and the same answer (meaning wise) can be given in a plenty of different ways.
Ace Timing
I don't really see any kind of benefit town has from such a painfully obvious answer to your question. What extra depth could you possibly get from Nyquill's answer?
Drezi
Yes, shit you got me, I'm actually scum and I'm secretly trying to amass scum power by asking Nyquill questions with "painfully obvious answers".
Ace Timing
The first two people he suspected were you and Slaini. Of course he would ask a more active player their thoughts on said suspects. Maybe if you weren't consentrating of being sarcastic you would have noticed.
Drezi
.......
Nyquill
There's a more important reason than that.
Navizel

Ace Timing wrote:

The first two people he suspected were you and Slaini. Of course he would ask a more active player their thoughts on said suspects. Maybe if you weren't consentrating of being sarcastic you would have noticed.
I don't think Zexion is active though.
Ace Timing

Nyquill wrote:

There's a more important reason than that.
Then I rescind my earlier statement and apoligise to Drezi for being rude.
Zexion

Nyquill wrote:

Hey Navizel, we don't care about you today. Try to be more aggressive. We are less likely to want to lynch you tommorow if you're still around. It helps us greatly. By aggressive I don't mean continually be paranoid about Zexion's read on you either.

Zexion, how do you feel about Slaini and Drezi?
Drezi: so far I feel he's town. His initial list helped me (personaly) to get better into the game and he denotes a useful attitude for scumhunting, pointing flaws and contradictions and stuff. I'm also glad he doesn't share Sakura's paranoia for every little thing posted in the game, since I felt she was waaay to suspicious to some minor things.

Slaini: Ugh. This one is hard. Besides the total newbie attitude I don't really feel a constant attitude coming from him. If I had to take a guess, I would say he's scum for cutting up discussions and just jumping into wagons with not a lot of new ideas coming from himself (and a really passive playstyle, with many posts just saying "goodbye" and stuff like that), but then again I wouldn't be so sure to lynch him just because that. I would like to see how he plays on the following day or so to make a more strong read about him.

As long as rEdo doesn't talk, my vote stays on what was Hika.

Navizel wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

The first two people he suspected were you and Slaini. Of course he would ask a more active player their thoughts on said suspects. Maybe if you weren't consentrating of being sarcastic you would have noticed.
I don't think Zexion is active though.
Just because I haven't posted as much as I did earlier in the game doesn't mean I'm not active anymore >_<, I still read and post in the game constantly.
Navizel
Well.. by active, I mean someone who isn't lurking.

By the way to everyone, what would you do if your reads on the replacements are different from the previous players? Also, what are everyone's thoughts on Ace Timing and Slaini?
Ace Timing

Navizel wrote:

Well.. by active, I mean someone who isn't lurking.

By the way to everyone, what would you do if your reads on the replacements are different from the previous players? Also, what are everyone's thoughts on Ace Timing and Slaini?
Well reading Slaini is really hard because his attitude isn't really constant. He flips between scummy and ignorant (newbish) townie very often and sporadically. I've honest;y never encountered this irl so I don't really know how to interact with nor respond to such a thing. I guess the best place to put him is null-scum (and yes I know this goes against my earlier read).
Navizel

Ace Timing wrote:

Well reading Slaini is really hard because his attitude isn't really constant. He flips between scummy and ignorant (newbish) townie very often and sporadically. I've honest;y never encountered this irl so I don't really know how to interact with nor respond to such a thing. I guess the best place to put him is null-scum (and yes I know this goes against my earlier read).
So you consider his newbish play as townie and not scummy or maybe null? I'm assuming the italicized sentences are answers for my first question. Who would you put as null-scum?
Ace Timing
I'm going to wait until after nighttime to read Slaini. It's hard and new things might arise in the new day so I'll see then.
Navizel
Even though there's information here in D1?
Nyquill
@ace and drezi: look at the hika wagon
Drezi
Yeah.

And I don't like the way you're going about it. You're able to shift the apparent intention of this post later based on how it's recieved.
Drezi
Make your reads clear now, if it's any different from what Sakura had established. You have no reason not to update us if there are any changes, unless you want to come out with them only if it's convenient.
Drezi
That means communicating "it's the same" too, otherwise those would still be left open.
Nyquill

Drezi wrote:

Yeah.

And I don't like the way you're going about it. You're able to shift the apparent intention of this post later based on how it's recieved.
...but I haven't said anything about the information I recieved?
Drezi
And you asked for our input first, yes.
Nyquill
There is no point to question that's meant to further your confidence on someone if you explain the reason why you're asking the question.

There is also no benefit of revealing my full set of reads. Scum is in Hika, Slaini, Jess and Navizel.
Nyquill

Zexion wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

Hey Navizel, we don't care about you today. Try to be more aggressive. We are less likely to want to lynch you tommorow if you're still around. It helps us greatly. By aggressive I don't mean continually be paranoid about Zexion's read on you either.

Zexion, how do you feel about Slaini and Drezi?
Drezi: so far I feel he's town. His initial list helped me (personaly) to get better into the game and he denotes a useful attitude for scumhunting, pointing flaws and contradictions and stuff. I'm also glad he doesn't share Sakura's paranoia for every little thing posted in the game, since I felt she was waaay to suspicious to some minor things.

Slaini: Ugh. This one is hard. Besides the total newbie attitude I don't really feel a constant attitude coming from him. If I had to take a guess, I would say he's scum for cutting up discussions and just jumping into wagons with not a lot of new ideas coming from himself (and a really passive playstyle, with many posts just saying "goodbye" and stuff like that), but then again I wouldn't be so sure to lynch him just because that. I would like to see how he plays on the following day or so to make a more strong read about him.

As long as rEdo doesn't talk, my vote stays on what was Hika.
I agree with basically everything here. Both Drezi and Slaini and you are on the Hika wagon at the moment. The only move on to the wagon that really felt wrong was Slaini's. Drezi's suggestion to move to Hika also shows he's trying to get townreads as well.
Nyquill
as it is, waiting for rEdo to show up.
sLaiNi
My move onto the wagon was indeed a bit forced, as my initial vote was Navi. I want to mention, though, that I scumread Hika together with Drezi before the wagon started. Just so you keep in mind that it wasn't parotting.
rEdo
Finally home. Except me to post in a few hours.
-[Jess]-

Navizel wrote:

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on Ace Timing and Slaini?
Here are my thought on Slaini and Ace

Slaini:
His mind was too hard to catch.his language error makes everyone thinks he is self-contradictory at first.
If I want to say,I think he is a person who want to helping, but his action make the thing get worse.

Ace:
His words are rude.he only just think about others look of him.

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well,i am too passive

I can't come up with lot of mind(even some of them are silly)

I am sorry for that.
sLaiNi

-[Jess]- wrote:

but his action make the thing get worse.
I hope that I don't ruin the game in anyway ._. If I do so, tell me, please.
Navizel

sLaiNi wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

but his action make the thing get worse.
I hope that I don't ruin the game in anyway ._. If I do so, tell me, please.
This is one of the reasons why I am scum reading you. It really feels like you want to please town so you won't be lynched or killed.
sLaiNi

Navizel wrote:

This is one of the reasons why I am scum reading you. It really feels like you want to please town so you won't be lynched or killed.
lol, guess what you want in terms of that ^^
Ace Timing

Navizel wrote:

This is one of the reasons why I am scum reading you. It really feels like you want to please town so you won't be lynched or killed.
I thought that was one of the points of this game...
Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

Ace:
His words are rude.
tfw one rude post
tfw I apologised
Navizel
Prove that you're town not please the town.
Birdy
We can't be sure whether Slaini's newbieness is sincere or just a scum cover-up before, uh, before we're sure about it.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.08


[3] rEdo -- Drezi, Zexion, sLaiNi
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Nyquill
[1] Ace Timing -- -[Jess]-
[1] Zexion -- rEdo
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --



[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Static Noise Bird
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). <-------- THIS IS 43 HOURS FROM NOW

Static Noise Bird is V/LA until after day ends (July 5).
Navizel
My vote will stay on Slaini.
sLaiNi
So we are close to the deadline. How do we get to a final conclusion?
Ace Timing
Well, unless rEdo says something, their the likely candidate for lynching, but quite frankly I don't think that there's anything they can say.
Navizel
Either we lynch the closest to scum person or we end up lynching no one though the latter doesn't really happen often in D1.
Ace Timing
I think that for this game to move forward it is imperative that someone be lynched (just my personal opinion). I personally want to wait for rEdo to say something, so until then I'll just withhold my vote until then.
-[Jess]-

sLaiNi wrote:

So we are close to the deadline. How do we get to a final conclusion?
Wait for rEdo to say something first.than we will have final conclusion.(with cookies and milk)

For now,my vote still stay on Ace.
Birdy
I'll (should be able to) get online tomorrow morning (22~24 hours from now in my timezone) to place my vote, most likely on to Slaini. I really want to see what rEdo has to say, though.
sLaiNi
What would happen in case of a draw?
rEdo
Yesterway was like Stuff > Mafia. Today I'm going to reverse that order. Reading up immediately.
Navizel

sLaiNi wrote:

What would happen in case of a draw?
See the rules.
Ace Timing

sLaiNi wrote:

What would happen in case of a draw?
Not going to happen, because tbh in that case I'll put in my vote on a whim just to get someone lynched, but in the case of that happening, I think no one would get lynched
sLaiNi
Okay, in our case no-one will be lynched
Ace Timing

sLaiNi wrote:

Okay, in our case no-one will be lynched
That's actually not very good. Its a lot easier to find scum the day after if someone is lynched.
rEdo
Oh god, this game is a mess. I want to beat the living shit out of Hika for being so idle in her almost every single game.


sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

It feels like you're more concerned with how people look at you than actually finding scum.
That's so right. That is something I should definitly change. But that has nothing to do with me being scum, [...]
Am I missing something or is this a fucking scumclaim?

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.
inb4 sLaiNi & Ace Timing scumteam, it would be topkek/10

Ace Timing wrote:

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
Oh hey this is what I have thought too. Am I scum to you?

sLaiNi wrote:

I have to say that Jess' didn't contribute a lot. Still, I don't think we should vote her just now.
So I will vote Hika for known reasons. But as we aren't in a hurry it might be a good idea to wait for her replacement, wouldn't it?
So you said it'd be better to wait for a replacement, yet you voted her, okay.

Like honestly, I don't really see a case against Hika except for being lurky as fuck and voting people for shiggles, but isn't that the same thing sLaiNi's been doing?

@everyone: Please tell me why a Hika/rEdo lynch is better than a sLaiNi lynch. Do you get any information from this except for actually checking Hika''s alignment? I don't think she talked with anyone, I believe there's just no links that you connect with her.

_______________________________________________________


My thoughts so far:
  1. If sLaiNi would be today's lynch and he would flip scum, very most likely his scumpartner would be Zexion. I haven't seen any exchange of words at all until just recently, when the Hika wagon got more attention. That's weird. This is even weirder, I mean the way sLaiNi's trying to discredit someone for voting Zexion. I'm really close to thinking this is a sLaiNi & Zexion scumteam, but I really need information to work with. That information being sLaiNi's alignment.
  2. Ace Timing is a fucking pile of WIFOM all around.
  3. Sakura/Nyquill and Drezi seem the towniest.
  4. Jess is eating dinner whole game.
If there's anything you want to ask me, please go ahead immediately.
rEdo

rEdo wrote:

Like honestly, I don't really see a case against Hika except for being lurky as fuck and voting people for shiggles, but isn't that the same thing sLaiNi's been doing?
I obviously meant the way he's swinging votes, not the lurking part.
rEdo
Unvote
rEdo
Oh, an interesting observation:

p/4282338/
p/4300240/

Note how both sLaiNi and Zexion are on the same wagon when somebody's close to getting hammered.
Ace Timing

rEdo wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.
inb4 sLaiNi & Ace Timing scumteam, it would be topkek/10
People still think that was an actual read? That would actually be topkek now that I think about it.

rEdo wrote:

Ace Timing is a fucking pile of WIFOM all around.
I've heard this before, but what post did I make that could actually be dubbed WIFOM?
Ace Timing
And also, I can't really find anyone scummy today so before anyone asks I most likely will not vote today.
rEdo

Ace Timing wrote:

People still think that was an actual read? That would actually be topkek now that I think about it.
That was more of a joke. :P

Ace Timing wrote:

I've heard this before, but what post did I make that could actually be dubbed WIFOM?
p/4287543/
p/4287657/
p/4291365/
p/4296357/ (probably not, but it gave me that impression)
p/4300686/ (elaborate please? I think I'm misunderstanding)
rEdo
Fuck that was supposed to be two separate quotes
rEdo
@mod: You might want to change the letterbox with ISO-s. Exactly this:

2. Sakura
3. Hika
to this:

2. Nyquill Sakura
3. rEdo Hika
2. [url=http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=682935&t=340639]Nyquill[/url] [s][url=http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=289422&t=340639]Sakura[/url][/s]
3. [url=http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=49329&t=340639]rEdo[/url] [s][url=http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=277415&t=340639]Hika[/url][/s]
Drezi
Why aren't you voting rEdo?
rEdo

Drezi wrote:

Why aren't you voting rEdo?
Why are you voting me instead of sLaiNi?
Drezi
Don't dodge.
rEdo
Oh, I actually thought this question was to Ace Timing why he's not voting me.

I wanna see how sLaiNi/Zexion react first.
Ace Timing

rEdo wrote:

p/4300686/ (elaborate please? I think I'm misunderstanding)
Ok. This is why it is a lot easier to find scum after a lynch. When there is no lynch two people are dead. Now based on the posts of the desceased, the remaining players must find people who are likely to have wantwd them dead. On the other hand if you have lynched someone, you now have a smaller pool of people to choose from, as if you mislynched, there are now 6 players alive instead of 7. Another reason is, if you DO lynch a scum you don't have to figure out who wanted who dead with 2 possible suspects, now you only have to deal with one.
Ace Timing
Therefore, its easiest to move forward with the game after a lynching especially with inactive players like in this game.
-[Jess]-

rEdo wrote:

[*]Jess is eating dinner whole game.[/list]
LoLwut

Those days when I was here was 7:00 p.m.
rEdo

-[Jess]- wrote:

LoLwut

Those days when I was here was 7:00 p.m.
That was an another way of saying "you're not doing anything this game".
-[Jess]-

rEdo wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

LoLwut

Those days when I was here was 7:00 p.m.
That was an another way of saying "you're not doing anything this game".
I know >.<

I was stalking the thread and thinking on those days.
rEdo
If you haven't read that yet: t/189774. Playing as Town, point 2.

There's also a plenty of guides on mafiascum wiki that you might want to read. Some knowledge about mafia really helps in having a better understand of this game.
Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

rEdo wrote:

That was an another way of saying "you're not doing anything this game".
I know >.<

I was stalking the thread and thinking on those days.
Well since you're here, could you tell me why you are currently voting me? I forgot why and would like to hear your updated opinion on the matter.
-[Jess]-

Ace Timing wrote:

Well since you're here, could you tell me why you are currently voting me? I forgot why and would like to hear your updated opinion on the matter.
Then why your read was not include me?
Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Well since you're here, could you tell me why you are currently voting me? I forgot why and would like to hear your updated opinion on the matter.
Then why your read was not include me?
Which read? The bogus one I used in the beginning, or the later one. In the case of the second one it's because you don't really post a lot.
Ace Timing
Or I just plain forgot about you.
-[Jess]-
You just forgot me
Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

You just forgot me
If you want to interpret it that way then sure.
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