Partydance252 wrote:
How many times do i have to tell you PRACTICE
Even though im not good at it, I practice
Am I doing it right?
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Am I doing it right?
Your plays per month tell me you don't do it enough.Partydance252 wrote:
How many times do i have to tell you PRACTICE
Even though im not good at it, I practice
I used to play harder beatmaps like... bottom insanes?(yeah hard for me)
What i mean by playing is staying alive,pass,not die,stop s@cking,(never happened)- yes, it was so much fun.Don't judge, wanna improve.
So that got me a whooping 80% accuary , wonderful isnt it?
That was around 380pp.
Then i started reading the forums, people told each other to play songs that you can FC to improve.
So then i started playing easier maps wich got me to ~600pp or something.
I was like : Wut? of course im doing better at them cuz they are easier, but im getting rewarded for that?
Then i realised i was bad at easy maps too.
k playing, practising, all cool man.
My accuary improved by like ~1.8%, and it felt like i was less horrible at them.
Went back to playing maps mentioned above... and i s@cked even more.
wtf m8
I know im being a BAKA!, but how can you tell whether or not you are improving?
What i mean by playing is staying alive,pass,not die,stop s@cking,(never happened)- yes, it was so much fun.Don't judge, wanna improve.
So that got me a whooping 80% accuary , wonderful isnt it?
That was around 380pp.
Then i started reading the forums, people told each other to play songs that you can FC to improve.
So then i started playing easier maps wich got me to ~600pp or something.
I was like : Wut? of course im doing better at them cuz they are easier, but im getting rewarded for that?
Then i realised i was bad at easy maps too.
k playing, practising, all cool man.
My accuary improved by like ~1.8%, and it felt like i was less horrible at them.
Went back to playing maps mentioned above... and i s@cked even more.
wtf m8
I know im being a BAKA!, but how can you tell whether or not you are improving?
Change your scoreboard to Local Scores and compare your new scores to your old ones.ShadyAngel wrote:
I know im being a BAKA!, but how can you tell whether or not you are improving?
ZenithPhantasm
You know you improved when you feel that you can do harder maps than you used to be able to. This is pretty obvious people.Barusamikosu wrote:
Change your scoreboard to Local Scores and compare your new scores to your old ones.ShadyAngel wrote:
I know im being a BAKA!, but how can you tell whether or not you are improving?
That too.ZenithPhantasm wrote:
You know you improved when you feel that you can do harder maps than you used to be able to. This is pretty obvious people.
I'll also add:
As your reading ability improves, harder maps should start to become easier. If you're failing maps that you used to (barely) pass, it's probably because you're mashing less and reading more, so your old techniques (aka bad habits) aren't being used. Give it time and enjoy game.ShadyAngel wrote:
I used to play harder beatmaps like... bottom insanes?(yeah hard for me)...
So then i started playing easier maps wich got me to ~600pp or something...
My accuary improved by like ~1.8%, and it felt like i was less horrible at them...
Went back to playing maps mentioned above... and i s@cked even more...
E m i
This is some great advice or inspiration or something 
Aim and Stream maps are perfect to get better. And in my experience trying to DT jump maps helps me aim and combo break less.
Play more.
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Actually play less, cuz i have played more and more and i became worse so obviously playing less will make me a god.
I just want to be #1 instantly to show off, with no effort. Is that too much to ask for!?
The break i took was longer than i thought.
What do i change where pls its embarassing
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Actually play less, cuz i have played more and more and i became worse so obviously playing less will make me a god.
I just want to be #1 instantly to show off, with no effort. Is that too much to ask for!?
Captain i failed.Barusamikosu wrote:
Change your scoreboard to Local Scores and compare your new scores to your old ones.
The break i took was longer than i thought.
What do i change where pls its embarassing
@ShadyAngel You're still getting PP, though. Keep playing maps that are fun for you and you will eventually build up some consistency.
Play for fun, not for the pp as I always say.ShadyAngel wrote:
Play more.
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Actually play less, cuz i have played more and more and i became worse so obviously playing less will make me a god.
I just want to be #1 instantly to show off, with no effort. Is that too much to ask for!?Captain i failed.Barusamikosu wrote:
Change your scoreboard to Local Scores and compare your new scores to your old ones.
The break i took was longer than i thought.
What do i change where pls its embarassing
Oh be careful, you might summon the wrath of the pp knights.[Yoshinon] wrote:
Play for fun, not for the pp as I always say.
I got my cross ready, where should I take refuge?Kaienyuu wrote:
Oh be careful, you might summon the wrath of the pp knights.[Yoshinon] wrote:
Play for fun, not for the pp as I always say.
Oh, i play osu everytime i can.
I'm going to die peacefully while tapping circles.
As a side note, I never thought gaining more pp means direct improvent in performance, and that it refers to something more complicated.But maybe I'm wrong who knows.
Whatever, downloading all those hardcore 3.0 * beatmaps.
I'm going to die peacefully while tapping circles.
As a side note, I never thought gaining more pp means direct improvent in performance, and that it refers to something more complicated.But maybe I'm wrong who knows.
Whatever, downloading all those hardcore 3.0 * beatmaps.
Getting PP can be a way of improving, or a result of improving, depending on how you play. Seeing new scores in your Top Ranks shows that you're at least playing the game, which is all that's needed really.ShadyAngel wrote:
As a side note, I never thought gaining more pp means direct improvent in performance, and that it refers to something more complicated.But maybe I'm wrong who knows.
Have funShadyAngel wrote:
Whatever, downloading all those hardcore 3.0 * beatmaps.
ZenithPhantasm wrote:
Holy Grail of how to improve:
PLAY
MORE
I get the "play more" thing, but on my side I'm playing the same time everyday, went from #100k to #30k in 50 days, and since then I'm stuck at #30k, not moving an inch, still playing as much.
I tried many things but I guess everyone have a limit at some point, it's a bit like starting violin too old.
I tried many things but I guess everyone have a limit at some point, it's a bit like starting violin too old.
30k will not be your limit.
Apparently it is, I didn't stop playing, trying everything but the best days are when I manage to barely get back the rank lost.Kheldragar wrote:
30k will not be your limit.
I dunno why, for some reason it was so easy to rank up until 30k an suddendly not moving an inch since one month.
Maybe it was an instance of your skill was much better than your PP so you ranked really fast, but now your skill matches your PP, so you have to really tryhard for some of the scores, and you're feeling deflated because you're not used to not gaining ranks, and don't feel confident enough to make much ground.
You need more 100pp scores.
See if you can play https://osu.ppy.sh/s/53519. That was one of my first triple-digit-pp scores.
You need more 100pp scores.
See if you can play https://osu.ppy.sh/s/53519. That was one of my first triple-digit-pp scores.
Well most of my top scores are only in 3/4 tries (and no FC) - after, the most I try a map the worst it goes (often loosing pp 'cause more combo but far worst accuracy). Thanks for the map that's indeed the kind I like, I tried it a month ago but got 1 miss in the middle so now I can't do it before long.
Honestly I find the biggest barrier to improving is to have enough maps you like. I could probably re-FC anything on my top plays within 5 attempts, but most maps I don't like :/
And yeah, trying the same map too much is usually bad, unless you really like the map (or are an acc-whore like I am, but go for the FC first)
We might have a similar taste in maps. PM me anytime you see me ingame and I'll /np you a bunch of stuff, hopefully it'll help.
And yeah, trying the same map too much is usually bad, unless you really like the map (or are an acc-whore like I am, but go for the FC first)
We might have a similar taste in maps. PM me anytime you see me ingame and I'll /np you a bunch of stuff, hopefully it'll help.
Sometimes I fc in one-two plays for a session; sometimes I play a map 60 minutes straight to fc.
I don't think any of my top ranks are fcs... Fcing is so hard.
You aren't even trying.
Trying didn't get me far.Kheldragar wrote:
You aren't even trying.
*sadface*
Still this magic 30k barrier since nearly 2 months, I don't get it. When I finally achieve a difficult score on a map after 2 days of tries it's only to see "-40" rank 'cause I lost like 70 and this score gave me 30 (maps given or not by Tillerino).
I don't play for the rank but it's not really encouraging hmm. At least that mean a lot of people play the game very actively.
I don't play for the rank but it's not really encouraging hmm. At least that mean a lot of people play the game very actively.
Ziassan wrote:
Still this magic 30k barrier since nearly 2 months, I don't get it. When I finally achieve a difficult score on a map after 2 days of tries it's only to see "-40" rank 'cause I lost like 70 and this score gave me 30 (maps given or not by Tillerino).
I don't play for the rank but it's not really encouraging hmm. At least that mean a lot of people play the game very actively.
What do you play? What is your goal for the map? How often do you retry? How many hours a day do you play?
Hmm I tried all kind of maps (4~5 stars) to break this 30k limit, I still prefer jumpy maps with tricky patterns over fast-streamy maps, I like insane with low ar/bpm but these are almost non existant. The thing is their is always that one random miss never at the same point, where even watching the replay I often don't see how it was a miss. I end up with 5 stars at 98% with one miss in the middle and never FC the map~Kheldragar wrote:
What do you play? What is your goal for the map? How often do you retry? How many hours a day do you play?
Even my top rank score has a miss near the middle.
Also I avoid long maps since after 1min my hand get sweaty and the pencil end up in weird positions almost out of hand so I do mostly 1~2min maps or maps with a lot of breaks to pause.
The goal is often to FC (or almost) with 95%+
Usually retrying 2/3 times then moving to another map ('cause it get worst with more tries), but since I was never FCing any map worth PP like that I try to play the same map 40~ times in a row tho the result isn't really better. And 1h/day, more is not possible with full-time work and others stuffs.
I didn't loose all hopes but fast gain in rank followed by totally stuck state is hard for motivation ahah.
If you want slower, jumpy maps with patterns, that's basically my entire top plays list. Try some of the maps I have. (Some of them are rather long though)
False, I'm probably the slowest person on this board and probably the strongest tablet advocate only behind maybe Khel
Tablet stronk
....too stronk.
....too stronk.
That and the only 2 guys who went in the top 50 of Time Freez nomod (a map made for speed people, really) were mouse players (Angelsim & Doomsday).Mahoganytooth wrote:
False, I'm probably the slowest person on this board and probably the strongest tablet advocate only behind maybe Khel
E m i
what could they be, aim players? :^)Ziassan wrote:
That and the only 2 guys who went in the top 50 of Time Freez nomod (a map made for speed people, really) were mouse players (Angelsim & Doomsday).Mahoganytooth wrote:
False, I'm probably the slowest person on this board and probably the strongest tablet advocate only behind maybe Khel
Tablet might be strong for aim, but doesn't do shit for my acc and speed. If your strongest attribute was 100, I would be like this:Kheldragar wrote:
Tablet stronk
....too stronk.
Reading: 20
Speed: 10
Acc: 7
Aim 100
Because my other attributes are so shitty, I have an extremely hard time improving lol. Haven't gotten better in my last 3k plays =/
I'd say I'm really bad at aim/tapping synchronization. I tap early way too often, and as a consequence have a lot of random breaks when patterns get more complex.
So your aim is as good as mine? Give me some of that.
No, gimme.Kheldragar wrote:
So your aim is as good as mine? Give me some of that.
Oops that was a typo, I meant my.
I read the part about changing styles and I'm wondering if I should do something about my tablet area, cause when I'm using it my hand usually in positioned on the edge and reaching the far side (notes at the top of the screen) sometimes is hard without loosening my grip on the pen and then regaining the grip is impossible without screwing up the current game. problem is I don't know how to change the effective area cause I've got a Osu!Tablet and since it doesnt have any software or anything where I can edit stuff like that I don't know how.... 
Thanks to this thread I fought a bear... and won.
But seriously, thanks.
But seriously, thanks.
I'm at the point where I think FCing is just luck... but at the same time I realize it is a skill game and somehow people can FC songs consistently.
FCing takes skill. Getting SS is luck. Skill will get you to a 98% or 99% FC.Insyni wrote:
I'm at the point where I think FCing is just luck... but at the same time I realize it is a skill game and somehow people can FC songs consistently.
With that said, my aim sucks. I still manage to miss on 4.0 star maps. Kek
I mean the aim is luck it seems. Always seems there is one random miss or one random slider break that ruins the FC even though you've gotten 99% on the song 15 times already. Then after you finally FC it you can't FC it again.Repr1se wrote:
FCing takes skill. Getting SS is luck. Skill will get you to a 98% or 99% FC.Insyni wrote:
I'm at the point where I think FCing is just luck... but at the same time I realize it is a skill game and somehow people can FC songs consistently.
With that said, my aim sucks. I still manage to miss on 4.0 star maps. Kek
The infamous 1xmiss. The notorious sliderbreak. I can relate completely.Insyni wrote:
I mean the aim is luck it seems. Always seems there is one random miss or one random slider break that ruins the FC even though you've gotten 99% on the song 15 times already. Then after you finally FC it you can't FC it again.
Thelewa posted it somewhere, and I can't find the thread, but he wrote that the misses are because of a lack of focus. In hindsight, almost all of my 1xmiss/sliderbreaks were because I started spacing out, or thinking about something else.
That explains it... slower songs are so boring sometimes even if they are considered "at skill level".Repr1se wrote:
The infamous 1xmiss. The notorious sliderbreak. I can relate completely.
Thelewa posted it somewhere, and I can't find the thread, but he wrote that the misses are because of a lack of focus. In hindsight, almost all of my 1xmiss/sliderbreaks were because I started spacing out, or thinking about something else.
I disagreeRepr1se wrote:
Getting SS is luck.Insyni wrote:
I'm at the point where I think FCing is just luck... but at the same time I realize it is a skill game and somehow people can FC songs consistently.
Right. Getting SS might feel like luck because of the extreme amount of focus it takes, especially on more difficult maps. The second you lose focus or space out and pray for Obama to finish the map for you is the second you start getting 100s or misses.Mahoganytooth wrote:
I disagreeRepr1se wrote:
Getting SS is luck.
Getting FC might also feel like luck for similar reasons. When you get a "shitmiss", watch your replay in slow-motion. You'll see what's making you miss (I find I usually reach the circle but don't click).
I think being able to get 1x100 or 2x100 on a hard map (Not those easies normals and hards like you play, Baru), is skill, but being able to go the entire map without a single 100 is luck.
Those aren't the only maps I go for/get SS on.Kheldragar wrote:
(Not those easies normals and hards like you play, Baru)
Yes.Kheldragar wrote:
I think being able to get 1x100 or 2x100 on a hard map is skill
It's still skill, but you happened to have a play where you maintained maximum focus the entire map. True luck would be something chance-based (such as your accuracy on a note being determined by RNG every time you hit one).Kheldragar wrote:
being able to go the entire map without a single 100 is luck.
And if you only get plays where you maintain maximum focus one out of every 50 tries, is that not chance?
Only if you consider FCing stuff to be based on chance too
SS-ing depends on the map greatly. Some I'd consider luck to SS, some are easily attainable by a skilled and dedicated player.
SS-ing depends on the map greatly. Some I'd consider luck to SS, some are easily attainable by a skilled and dedicated player.
thelewa wrote:
I just read all of this and surprisingly everything is true
About Snapping, could someone who knows the difference watch this replay or spectate me? I often get told my snapping is good, but when i read this i cant say certain if what im doing is half assed snapping or real snapping.
The hard part about all of this is realizing your bad. I've reached my rank and could probably reach 8k off of my aim alone, but i cant stream for jack and have awful accuracy most of the time.
This may sound stupid, but is it really that important to snap? If so, then is it possible to get used to snapping just by playing maps that I feel are hardly reachable for me? cuz I think when I'm playing a slow map, I won't snap at all where as playing a faster map I am forced to kinda snap.
Only if you think it's important. Do whatever you want.MISTER-G wrote:
This may sound stupid, but is it really that important to snap?
i would like to add that i belive if you practice correctly and efficiently snapping comes naturally at least it did for me
If you play 6-7* maps then its extremely important. Everything under that can be played by cursor dancing all the time.
And considering your rank i think that you should let it come to you naturally.
And considering your rank i think that you should let it come to you naturally.
I would say everything is true and it has a lot of good advice. One thing I would disagree with however from my experience is the part about tablets. Even though my first attempt at using tablet failed terribly, after 3-4 days I'm already playing at the same level as I did with a mouse, and in a week I can play maps I used to have much trouble with In 2 weeks I S ranked those maps that were impossible prior to getting a tablet. While tablet didn't make me instantly better, my improvement rate quadrupled after getting a tablet.
This is completely normal.icewolf159 wrote:
I'm already playing at the same level as I did with a mouse
The peripherals don't matter as much. Just think please.
A lot of your skill lies in your tapping hand and in your eyes and in your brain.
When playing on an easy level of gameplay(and you certainly do) there isn't real muscle memory you can build up in terms of aim cause every map is just distance-snapped 1/1, 1/2 slider-circle spam.
So effectively 95% of your ability transfers over.
Also aiming - which is a big hurdle for mouse-users at the beginning - is much easier with tablet but you will eventually run into trouble with your cursor-stability which is a problem mouseplayers simply dont get.
Personally I would suggest you to download some beatmap packs as you seem to play only very few maps again and again which generally hinders improvement as you start to memorize the maps unconsciously.
actually once I started up my tablet everything got so much easier, I'm still not an awesome player but the tablet was just so much for me
I took a break from osu! for a few months. I decide to come back, and surprisingly, I notice an improvement in my aim and stamina when I play offline.
Connecting to Bancho=instant skilldrop? xDF1r3tar wrote:
I took a break from osu! for a few months. I decide to come back, and surprisingly, I notice an improvement in my aim and stamina when I play offline.
It's actually in his head.
No, I just get nervous when I play online.Endaris wrote:
Connecting to Bancho=instant skilldrop? xD
Nah, I got an S on a map I wasn't able to before. I got some damn nice combos on maps that were too hard beforehand.Khelly wrote:
It's actually in his head.
Fuck me, I can't remember the beats of the song for some reason
That's why I only sightread maps with shitty 95% accuracy
That's why I only sightread maps with shitty 95% accuracy
Thank you for taking the time to help others and myself. I find you're absolutely right about these.
Just as a side note, I also love the way you type.
Just as a side note, I also love the way you type.
Sarthorious
This game is seriously not newbie friendly, since there isn't a correct difficulty scale (stars are broken) and the newbie doesn't know how to improve, so he try to play hard stuff after practicing around 5 days and then develop bad habits.
To solve this problem, a star rating of difficulty should be based in general opinion of the players of all levels, but this game is so poorly designed, that it forces you to learn what is needed to get PP and try to beat players who have been playing for a very long time osu!standar or other rhythm games. It doesn't reward competing against yourself with a quest system, level up system, "titles" determined by your skill. This game doesn't feel like a game, it feels more like an arena where players fight between them, without skill distinction, to obtain pp and be the best.
The concept behind osu is totally messed up and I have not doubt that the popularity of this game will decrease once there are few potentials players to join this.
To solve this problem, a star rating of difficulty should be based in general opinion of the players of all levels, but this game is so poorly designed, that it forces you to learn what is needed to get PP and try to beat players who have been playing for a very long time osu!standar or other rhythm games. It doesn't reward competing against yourself with a quest system, level up system, "titles" determined by your skill. This game doesn't feel like a game, it feels more like an arena where players fight between them, without skill distinction, to obtain pp and be the best.
The concept behind osu is totally messed up and I have not doubt that the popularity of this game will decrease once there are few potentials players to join this.
That's the newbie's fault, though, for ruining themselves. People are perfectly willing to give proper advice if they're willing to listen.
I've always found stars to be reasonably correct with few outstanding exceptions.
You're never forced to learn what's needed to gain PP. Only if you care about ranks. A quest system in a rhythm game? How would that work? There's already a levels system. I don't see the benefit of titles. In my opinion, the PP system is the perfect reward for competing. I think this game feels plenty like a game for me. In fact, it's the closest thing to a pure game I have found in a long time, with no story or anything to get in the way: Just pure gameplay.
I've always found stars to be reasonably correct with few outstanding exceptions.
You're never forced to learn what's needed to gain PP. Only if you care about ranks. A quest system in a rhythm game? How would that work? There's already a levels system. I don't see the benefit of titles. In my opinion, the PP system is the perfect reward for competing. I think this game feels plenty like a game for me. In fact, it's the closest thing to a pure game I have found in a long time, with no story or anything to get in the way: Just pure gameplay.
Sarthorious
I can see that you like the game; but your opinions are extremely biased, and you don't have enough knowledge about rhythms games.
"Quest system" -> check o2jam, DJMax Trilogy, Beatmania IIDX, etc... Could provide a lot of fun and motivation to compete against yourself and not again others (aka pp)
Titles -> check Lunatic Rave 2 internet rankings, http://www.dream-pro.info/~lavalse/LR2I ... =gradelist ... Very fun too, somewhat hardcore, feel proud about something "tangible" which have value and very motivating.
Once you are a bit more mature, I think we can continue this conversation, because I except you to not begin to defend something you like for the pure fact of defend it.
"Quest system" -> check o2jam, DJMax Trilogy, Beatmania IIDX, etc... Could provide a lot of fun and motivation to compete against yourself and not again others (aka pp)
Titles -> check Lunatic Rave 2 internet rankings, http://www.dream-pro.info/~lavalse/LR2I ... =gradelist ... Very fun too, somewhat hardcore, feel proud about something "tangible" which have value and very motivating.
Once you are a bit more mature, I think we can continue this conversation, because I except you to not begin to defend something you like for the pure fact of defend it.
idk, osu! wasn't that competitive before ppv2 I think.
There's no need to become really good at this game and people can just enjoy themselves playing, be it solo or in multi with friends.
You might think that osu! is really competitive but it isn't unless you want it to be. None forces you to compete with other players, you can play offline for your entire life.
Besides from that there are no newb-friendly rhythm-games therefore I don't see why osu! should try to become one. And I think star difficulty has a decent degree of accuracy for the lower star brackets(below 3/3.5)
There's no need to become really good at this game and people can just enjoy themselves playing, be it solo or in multi with friends.
You might think that osu! is really competitive but it isn't unless you want it to be. None forces you to compete with other players, you can play offline for your entire life.
Besides from that there are no newb-friendly rhythm-games therefore I don't see why osu! should try to become one. And I think star difficulty has a decent degree of accuracy for the lower star brackets(below 3/3.5)
I personally find PP as a perfectly acceptable way to provide fun and motivation, though, and don't quite see what's wrong with that.Fabi- wrote:
"Quest system" -> check o2jam, DJMax Trilogy, Beatmania IIDX, etc... Could provide a lot of fun and motivation to compete against yourself and not again others (aka pp)
I don't understand anything in that rankings list.
I'm defending it because I disagree with what you say completely. I do feel this game rewards competing against yourself with the PP system. I feel that the game is far more newbie friendly than any other rhythm game I've ever played, and I do feel it's perfectly possible to enjoy the game without caring for ranks, and I do not feel the concept behind osu is totally messed up, because I don't even know what you're calling messed up.Fabi- wrote:
Once you are a bit more mature, I think we can continue this conversation, because I except you to not begin to defend something you like for the pure fact of defend it.
So I guess my point is that I don't see what your point is. Yes, there's the possibility that those things would improve the game, but the game is already a very solid game as it is, and already rewards progression, and I feel it's a bit of a far cry to call the game "Totally messed up" or "doesn't feel like a game"
Sarthorious
Mahonagy, if you re read my post you will notice that I never said that pp doesn't encourages competing against yourself, but my critique is against the lack of resources to compete against yourself. You can play this game offline, enjoy it as much as you can in multiplayer with friends, enjoy the songs, but this game promotes too much competing against others in an atmosphere where a newbie would find really skilled players who maybe didn't play osu too much, but at least played other rhythm games. And to add more salt to the problematic, and to understand what I meant with "The rank system is broken", you just need to put some very high rank players to play some old maps with low AR, or let some of them play slow BPM streams, or weird patterns, then ask yourself "what's hard?". Maybe you won't understand this right now.
So if this game is focused on competing against others, how are the newbies going to actually be able to compete against others? How do you except a 2015 player, that will play non-stop till 2018 to beat an old player who has experience in many kind of aspects including low AR, weird or disliked patterns among the players, slow BPM streams , etc... if the progression in this game is viewed mainly from a PP perspective?
Probably only experienced players in musical instruments or other rhythm games like the beatmania series, will be able to successful improve correctly and then they will have a chance to compete against the others.
At least this guide is a very good resource to obtain knowledge and maybe a good preparation for what this game is making you want, talking in broad terms.
Don't bother answering this reply, since I don't have time to read this again and I left standar a long time ago, but came back a bit for o!m, but I will be totally AFK from now.
So if this game is focused on competing against others, how are the newbies going to actually be able to compete against others? How do you except a 2015 player, that will play non-stop till 2018 to beat an old player who has experience in many kind of aspects including low AR, weird or disliked patterns among the players, slow BPM streams , etc... if the progression in this game is viewed mainly from a PP perspective?
Probably only experienced players in musical instruments or other rhythm games like the beatmania series, will be able to successful improve correctly and then they will have a chance to compete against the others.
At least this guide is a very good resource to obtain knowledge and maybe a good preparation for what this game is making you want, talking in broad terms.
Don't bother answering this reply, since I don't have time to read this again and I left standar a long time ago, but came back a bit for o!m, but I will be totally AFK from now.
Oh, well in that case I'll have to agree to disagree. Chasing FCs and PP is plenty rewarding for me. I agree there could be more but I don't personally see a need for anything else, as I personally feel PP and the feeling of my own progression is satisfying enough by itself.Fabi- wrote:
lack of resources to compete against yourself.
Well that depends on whether the high rank players bother to know low AR/BPM or weird patterns. It's not practical knowledge for ranking, so a good few won't, because the community at large doesn't seem to like those values.Fabi- wrote:
"The rank system is broken", you just need to put some very high rank players to play some old maps with low AR, or let some of them play slow BPM streams, or weird patterns, then ask yourself "what's hard?". Maybe you won't understand this right now.
The same way everyone else competes? By playing the game of course, and improving yourself. I've gotten to 5k in a year, so it's definitely not difficult to compete as a new player.Fabi- wrote:
So if this game is focused on competing against others, how are the newbies going to actually be able to compete against others?
Rafis signed up only 2 years ago and is currently rank 2 globally. It's very much possible.Fabi- wrote:
How do you except a 2015 player, that will play non-stop till 2018 to beat an old player
Those values aren't favored among the community and you're unlikely to find any of those values in a newer ranked map, so they're not relevant to PP, honestly. A majority seem to dislike them, or at least not enjoy them, so they don't get made.Fabi- wrote:
low AR, weird or disliked patterns among the players, slow BPM streams , etc... if the progression in this game is viewed mainly from a PP perspective?
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This game is seriously not newbie friendly, since there isn't a correct difficulty scale (stars are broken) and the newbie doesn't know how to improve, so he try to play hard stuff after practicing around 5 days and then develop bad habits.Yes and in same time No - actual gaming community or other way, youth is not used to read usefull informations in forums. Sticky topics explain a lot of stuff and time spent to read it, think about it and understand pays off with way better progression curve. Star system is in above 90% cases good and properly set up way of progressing.
Additionaly high level skilled players do not help others simply becouse of feeling "pride" of being skilled (i don't take this from them). In years of live streaming, newbs go to"C" or others stream, see shiny crazy maps and they want to play them instantly - wrong. Noone is even telling them about journey what every skilled player made to gain ability of properly playing this game, they are not aware of bad habits etc. We find here skilled players who actualy help A LOT (even from top ranks), example of Azer when he got asked how he trained to be good, he explained path of progressing and for my personal surprise, denied newbie from playing any mods till he can utilize last pp from nomod. I can find a lot examples of both, here in forum and on twitch - pride useless players who will tell you in eyes "shut up noob, go fuck yourself scrub" or ignore you becouse you are noob and usefull "god bless you guys" top rank players who wish to help, wish to explain things, wish to talk with you (personaly i didn't talk to any of them, i have my own mentor who keep track on my progress and so far, i end up good, happy and with lots of fun). But whatever, end of taking each point of newb playing too hard maps problem.
Here we come back to sticky topics which should have some parts bolded with text for full screen and additional monit each time newb run too hard for him map without AP - "Your action will destroy your ability to play this game correctly".
But hey, producer cannot deny them from trying to play this maps, it's not mean to be "nazi mode" game with restrictions.
Basicaly if you start playing a game, it's on your side to make research how to progress, how to avoid mistakes and how to colloquially - not be a shit garbage.
Forum topics + GnR provides this informations.
Not our fault, nor peppy or Osu Staff that youth / newbs prefer to yel at us becouse we convince them to stop playing too hard stuff and progress properly.
"Quest system" -> check o2jam, DJMax Trilogy, Beatmania IIDX, etc... Could provide a lot of fun and motivation to compete against yourself and not again others (aka pp)Osu doesn't need this, it's useless addon. I find fixing scores a good way of checking improvment in way where you challenge YOURSELF and YOUR skillset on harder map, gain score, go back and progress properly to later on play this map one more time and be proud of way better score and more fun from playing it.
Achievement system is also good, actualy making some more rare right now achievement like "Don't let the bunny distract you!" is a challenge, sadly cannot explain why without placing spoilers which will made me banned. Make some research about this by yourself if you want.
It could be way more of them but actualy, i prefer that Staff focus on making client more stable, more customizable and at same time, helping people with their problems than spending time on creating useless achievements which honestly, doesn't prove much.
Account level based on your play time is fine for me, it also doesn't show your skill level, not abilities, useless add-on but why not, i like to "play more" to get this 104/105 level (maybe someday). As everyone know, playing more in way of progressing makes you a better player. Enough motivation to choice proper progression way.
Titles -> check Lunatic Rave 2 internet rankings, http://www.dream-pro.info/~lavalse/LR2I ... =gradelist ... Very fun too, somewhat hardcore, feel proud about something "tangible" which have value and very motivating.Ranking is not enough? You realy want some "titles"?
I don't see point in this.
Both of ideas above reminds me of "grind" / "boring questing" from MMO.
It doesn't make sense here, at all.
Once you are a bit more mature, I think we can continue this conversation, because I except you to not begin to defend something you like for the pure fact of defend it.By saing this you just proved that you are not mature.
Being adult doesn't make you mature and other way.
Mature person don't go agressive and offend speaker in way like you done it here. I recommend you to rethink your way of speaking unless you want someone to make disquisition about interpersonal communication and way of proper discussion and argumentation.
but my critique is against the lack of resources to compete against yourselfI think we have here lack of imaginary. Example how i compete with myself (i will repeat it anyway):
As player who is on ~4.5* 180 bpm max ar9 od8 skill level, i like to go into 5* and challenge myself, make complete focus on what i am doing, how i am doing, place everything what i learned till now into max efficiency on challenging map, make best possible score and leave it. It's how i was doing while i was playing 3* -> go into 4*, challenge yourself, skill up, play it again. I was proud (and i think i am still proud) of some high acc fc what i made now, but i wasn't able to make while being lower skilled player. So now, when i have ~92/94% low miss amount scores on few 5/5.3* maps, when i rise my skill level, and fc them with acc above 98% or even 99% close to 100 i will feel same - yes, i am competing with myself to "beat" this score and i need to play more, progress to do this properly.
And to add more salt to the problematic, and to understand what I meant with "The rank system is broken", you just need to put some very high rank players to play some old maps with low AR, or let some of them play slow BPM streams, or weird patterns, then ask yourself "what's hard?". Maybe you won't understand this right now.Old maps are great and honestly, if newbs could play them way more insteed of hearing "overall hate against old maps from bullshit community", acc problem would disappear, same as reading ceratin patterns, especialy stacked notes. Guess how Azer was training to improve his acc on HDHR: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/31819 +HDHR, repeat, repeat, don't give up. Just an example. I am sad that so many people actualy hate old maps becouse to be fair - more than half of haters are completly unable to play them due rising hype of high ar and sanic speed bpm, other half are mindless sheeps following them. There are exeptions who can actualy make some arguments and speak their minds with understanding problem of some old maps where great majority of this haters cannot even make single proper argument to justify this hate.
No, you don't need high skilled player to play old maps, they are in same way - from 0.5* into 6*, major diffrence is that old mapping favorize circle clicking and acc insteed of mindless 80% sliders, 10% break time, 10% circles like it is now becouse "it's easy to check, easy to mod, easy to map............ overall easier in everything". Old maps force you to learn how to acc, how to read maps and this two abilities if properly polished while progressing, makes your gameplay later on way easier.
But we need to go with time and make game and maps more friendly to newcommers so actualy creating way easier maps than it was before is fine.
So if this game is focused on competing against others, how are the newbies going to actually be able to compete against others? How do you except a 2015 player, that will play non-stop till 2018 to beat an old player who has experience in many kind of aspects including low AR, weird or disliked patterns among the players, slow BPM streams , etc... if the progression in this game is viewed mainly from a PP perspective?How you see progression is your way of thinking. Game doesn't tell you that "progression" = more pp. 2 players with same amount of pp at moment of being able to properly play actualy challenging maps above 4* AR9 are diffrent. Here actualy start specializing into aim/speed (later on DT players), aim/acc (later on HR players) or mix of both (takes longer to asimilate nesesery amount of "skill"), at the end in top rank, you should be able to play everything. On your rank you should actualy know this.
Let's take Rafis as example, took him 2 years to reach #2 and being fairly competetive to top tier players, in my personal opinion even to "everyone-know-who-naming-is-bannable-peppy-hate-him", WWW, rrtyui or hvick.
Everything is matter how you come into this game, you forgot that competetive player who is serious about competition will train skillset insteed of watching useless numbers which will incerase anyway while you make progress.
That's all from me. Feel free to throw words but i expect arguments, examples and TRULY mature speaker, else i will just ignore your wall-of-tears.
i read this twice and still crying :'(
I've been playing 2 months now and I have no idea what snapping is! Shoot, I just found out that using the keyboard to hit notes while letting my tablet to guide was much easier (after playing osu! at my bf's house with a mouse) for me. I also didn't notice the hit sound thing. Overall, I thought this was a great thread!
Snapping is a method of aiming where you try to make a very sharp and fast movement to reach the next circle as soon as possible. I personally don't feel it's necessary but it's a useful skill to have.
I died laughing while reading this XD but this really helped with a few things i wasn't sure about. Thanks!
much true, really
Truly, I play osu not just improving on it :l to be honest, i don't panic when I don't have the streaming skills that can compete with Wub :l
Truly, I play osu not just improving on it :l to be honest, i don't panic when I don't have the streaming skills that can compete with Wub :l
I just like to enjoy the music :3 ~~~~~~~lmao x3 - Cool
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Stopped playing osu! game mode since i realised it wasn't really my cup of tea now going to play CTB
2 questions:
Does constantly singletapping (and sometimes alternating) by gradually playing higher BPM maps make my hand stream faster within time?
And, how do I keep the pen (I'm a tablet player) close to the active surface without tensing up my hand and getting a bit of pain afterwards?
Does constantly singletapping (and sometimes alternating) by gradually playing higher BPM maps make my hand stream faster within time?
(I'm patient for that lol, not saying I want to deathstream with all 300s only after 1 day of training)
And, how do I keep the pen (I'm a tablet player) close to the active surface without tensing up my hand and getting a bit of pain afterwards?
Yes, but it only boosts your theoretical streaming speed. You still have to acquire the technique itself which is a big challenge on its own. This still does not mean that you will be able to stream really fast but faster than someone who plays fullalternate and didn't do any further streamtraining.Vayttoh wrote:
2 questions:
Does constantly singletapping (and sometimes alternating) by gradually playing higher BPM maps make my hand stream faster within time?
Idk about your other question cause hail mouse.-
Anybody got some excercises to share about getting your hand muscles ready and strong to play in the most effective way? i've been struggling to keep my stamina lately and i don't want to put too much stress into my hand muscles as i already hurt them before