Sakura wrote:

Yeah i was thinking about that earlier, but thing is the way he put me as town before I even posted felt like some sort of early buddying so when he would flip scum people would trace back their posts and look at that then try to tie me up with him. Although i dont remember much of Drezi scum, and even if he was scum, I highly doubt he would go through such a coordinate pre-game plan of suiciding to take me down with him.
So in other words, i hardly feel that scum would've come up with such a risky tactic, and it's more than likely just town trying to get reactions out of RVS. And even in the low chance that he was scum, i doubt he'd be scum together with Zexion, so there's another point in favor towards voting Zexion.

Sakura wrote:

Also, you misread it, i didnt say you'd give me towncred, i said the entirely opposite, you saying i was town before i even posted, if you flipped scum would cause me to get mislynched, but as i said before, that'd be too risky of a move and it'd involve you sacrificing yourself.

-[Jess]- wrote:

Welp

vote: sLaiNi

You are online

Drezi wrote:

You could still vote someone. Even though I'm trying to steer away from it we're still in Random Voting Stage, you can just vote someone because you don't like their name or something silly to get things going. You can just change your vote later anyway.

Drezi wrote:

And this just doesn't seem feasible as I said in my last post, or why else do you think town would decide to lynch you if I flipped scum after putting you as town?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm going to post more if there's anything new not related to the first pages tomorrow/tonight lolol. I can't be arsed to "analyze" anything based on RVS-related (non-)content.

Navizel wrote:

heh.

sLaiNi wrote:

Re-read everything and made some thoughts about everybodies posts.
The way Zexion tried to explain his actions didn't seem like he is a scum. What I am more curious about is, that Navizel only posted:

Navizel wrote:

heh.

when Sakura suspected him of being a scum and made her thoughts about him. Just posting "heh" there doesn't make much sense IMO.

UNVOTE: -[Jess]-

NEW VOTE: Navizel

Sakura wrote:

Maybe help me add pressure here so he'll be more motivated to reply!

sLaiNi wrote:

... now when you are town.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

... now when you are town.

Excuse me.

Either you're scum (you know for sure he's town), or you're both scum (desperate bussing).

And you're still keeping your vote?

sLaiNi wrote:

You are right, that I acted a bit fast there but it's more of a newbie action than a direct hop on the wagon. Still, I could understand that you might suspect me now when you are town.

sLaiNi wrote:

Re-read everything and made some thoughts about everybodies posts.
The way Zexion tried to explain his actions didn't seem like he is a scum. What I am more curious about is, that Navizel only posted:

Navizel wrote:

heh.

when Sakura suspected him of being a scum and made her thoughts about him. Just posting "heh" there doesn't make much sense IMO.

UNVOTE: -[Jess]-

NEW VOTE: Navizel

sLaiNi wrote:

...now when you are town.

sLaiNi wrote:

I can't see why you are so sure about me being scum. Just because I used subjunctive to express the possibility of him being town despite me suspecting him being a scum.

Navizel wrote:

It's very contradictory.

-[Jess]- wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

...now when you are town.

this is self-contradictory.

Sakura wrote:

My vote is now serious.

Zexion wrote:

I would prefer to have imput from all players before making serious voting, don't you think so?

sLaiNi wrote:

You are right, that I acted a bit fast there but it's more of a newbie action than a direct hop on the wagon. Still, I could understand that you might suspect me now when you are town.

Navizel wrote:

heh.

Hika wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I would prefer to have imput from all players before making serious voting, don't you think so?

Either earlier on in the game you were VI, you just didn't realize what you were doing, or you really are scummy.

sLaiNi wrote:

I'm here now. So as inexperienced as I am, I rather stay a little bit in the background and give my thoughts on your ideas rather than creating them myself.

Not answering despite having posted is barely a proof for anyone to be scum. IMO

Thanks Sakura for explaining some of the words people use in this game. Helped me out quiet a bit.

-[Jess]- wrote:

this is self-contradictory.

sLaiNi wrote:

I still think it's strange how Navizel stood in the background, despite others suspecting him, but as soon as I suspect him, he starts to accuse me of being scum.

Zexion wrote:

Also we're not on RVS anymore. Abstain from voting randomly.

Zexion wrote:

I suggest you read the first pages again because I already explained this and the Drezi/Sakura posts. Let's not bring that up again because we already reached a conclusion.

Besides this I don't see anything relevant or helpful on your post. Would you mind developing your ideas about the scumslip or are you just messing around?

Zexion wrote:

Also about the "scumslip"... that doesn't seem like definitve proof. As a non-native english speaker, that sentence would have made perfect sense in my language. I don't know anything about german but it may have had sense on that language too... I'll give it the benefit of doubt and just say it was bad-worded, but it still bothers me.

sLaiNi wrote:

In German, "If you are a scum" means "Wenn du ein Scum(Abschaum) bist". Translating "Wenn" to "When" is a common mistake (even though it's a bit embarrassing for me to make such a mistake). This might sound like a bad excusion therefor, but that's how it happened.

sLaiNi wrote:

Ahh, you posted while I was writing the post above @Zexion.


First, thanks for the nice welcoming. I already took a quick look at the wiki, but I am definitly reading a lot more there after you suggestion.

Yesterday, when I was browsing through the Osu-Forums, I found the Mafia section. After reading some in it, I noticed that it reminded me of a game my "religious education" - teacher used to play with us for one or two times, named "Die Werwölfe von Düsterwald" which is also about some people being werewolf and knowing each other and being able to kill the villagers in the night while these vote for a execution on days end.

That's what made me really interested in trying this out. And even though I seem to be terrible and I barely know how to contribute to the discussion, it's a lot of fun for me.

Hika wrote:

Zexion, this is going completely over your head.

Zexion wrote:

Also we're not on RVS anymore. Abstain from voting randomly.

What if some of us haven't picked up on anything. Not saying that I haven't, but as it is a "newbie game", I will abstain from pressuring as long as everyone can evaluate properly what they are saying. So let people vote as they would like. People are not scumslipping, people are just being very clueless when they post without sense. I still consider RVS but that Navizel post was a little odd and I am examining it as we speak.

Hika wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I suggest you read the first pages again because I already explained this and the Drezi/Sakura posts. Let's not bring that up again because we already reached a conclusion.

Besides this I don't see anything relevant or helpful on your post. Would you mind developing your ideas about the scumslip or are you just messing around?

Nice, I already got a reaction out of you. It's a reaction test, to see what you will say, and you reacted to it just as I thought.
I can read, I have two eyes, and what it seemed like, to me at least" was a bunch of pointless bickering. It's not like I can disregard it though. You guys ended it on your own terms. Me, however? I have just started to read the thread and will not take things like that lightly, especially if I see walls and walls of text in the beginning of D1.

It is helpful for me so I can keep note of what I am doing and so everyone will know my opinion. You mentioned this earlier on in the game, correct? You mentioned that it would be nice to get the opinion of everyone before being too hasty.

And specify scumslip. You scumslipping or sLaiNi?

Drezi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Also, you misread it, i didnt say you'd give me towncred, i said the entirely opposite, you saying i was town before i even posted, if you flipped scum would cause me to get mislynched, but as i said before, that'd be too risky of a move and it'd involve you sacrificing yourself.

Yeah but this is the part I don't get, I didn't misread it, I simply understand the hypothetical case you mention this way: "Oh look Drezi turned out to be scum, and he put Sakura as town, let's lynch Sakura" -> "Why? Because scum put her as town! Why does it mean she's scum then? Because scum wanted us to think she's town! Wait she isn't? No scum wanted us to think the other scum is town!"

And this just doesn't seem feasible as I said in my last post, or why else do you think town would decide to lynch you if I flipped scum after putting you as town?

Sakura wrote:

I guess it might be paranoia, but you're right that there's not much to go off and think something like that, it's related to stuff i can't talk about atm, so it'll have to wait.

Hika wrote:

Nice, I already got a reaction out of you. It's a reaction test, to see what you will say, and you reacted to it just as I thought.

Navizel wrote:

Where are the others

I feel like Drezi's reads are just for rvs therefore insignificant. If it's not, I would like to know the reasons as well. He ignored my vote too. (it's an rv but still)

and unicorns aren't real :< [spoiler]I wish they are[/color]

Navizel wrote:

@Sakura - I agree with your thoughts on Drezi. One for one in day one seems outright stupid. Though maybe you two are scum and then since you dissolved the idea, people won't think you're scum in case Drezi died and flipped scum. Idk, I'm being paranoid too

Drezi wrote:

This might be a personality/playstyle thing but I found this a bit excessive "look at me working my townie magic".

Zexion wrote:

There's already plenty of material to read and discuss. All our votes should be serious now, we have imput from about all the players. I don't really get the scumslipping part, when did I imply any of it?

Zexion wrote:

I can't read your mind. The way you worded it sounded like you didn't read any of my discussion with Sakura. If you're not going to take what me and Sakura posted lightly and don't agree with our conclussions, how about you post what you don't agree with instead of looking for an excuse to say something like "hey, I'm doing something to find scum, but I won't tell you!".

Zexion wrote:

Where am I being hasty? Hastly would be voting for any of the newcomers without talking properly with them. I merely stated that in your post you didn't come with new points to work with, just pointed the obvious and proved you didn't read properly the first pages.

Zexion wrote:

Obviously Slain's "scumslip"i. When did I ever scumslip? Care to elaborate?

Hika wrote:

It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.

I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.

Hika wrote:

HAHAHAAH, I'm sorry Drezi, I will answer that for you if you'd like.

Hika wrote:

Drezi wrote:

This might be a personality/playstyle thing but I found this a bit excessive "look at me working my townie magic".

Not exactly a personality/playstyle thing, just me letting him know that he fucked up by giving me the reaction I was looking for, however, it is invalid because he is right about me reading incorrectly in the dialog between him and Sakura. I know Sakura's playstyle and all I kept reading was "looking for scum" all over her face.

I think it's fair letting him know so that way he can put on his serious game face here since I'm not sure of HIS playstyle.

At the time being, she is confirmed town for me also. I can see what she did at the beginning and it looks good to me, but I am also analyzing things and also wondering why no one voted with their gut feeling on sLaiNi.

Zexion wrote:

There's already plenty of material to read and discuss. All our votes should be serious now, we have imput from about all the players. I don't really get the scumslipping part, when did I imply any of it?

You didn't imply it, I stated it myself. Also, sure there is plenty of material to read and discuss, but from more specifically, Navizel and SNB, not exactly anyone else atm. So it's not plenty in the sense that everyone is involved.

Zexion wrote:

I can't read your mind. The way you worded it sounded like you didn't read any of my discussion with Sakura. If you're not going to take what me and Sakura posted lightly and don't agree with our conclussions, how about you post what you don't agree with instead of looking for an excuse to say something like "hey, I'm doing something to find scum, but I won't tell you!".

It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.

I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.

Zexion wrote:

Where am I being hasty? Hastly would be voting for any of the newcomers without talking properly with them. I merely stated that in your post you didn't come with new points to work with, just pointed the obvious and proved you didn't read properly the first pages.

Read above, I meant generally being too hasty. You're not doing anything wrong. However, I don't have to share or to come in with new points if I feel that it is a wrong time. I want to see more people post here in a serious sense too. I am not voting based on RVS concluding this post, however.

Zexion wrote:

Obviously Slain's "scumslip"i. When did I ever scumslip? Care to elaborate?

You did not scumslip, that is why I was confused. I just meant sLaiNi's scumslip as in the way he/she worded in the quote about knowing someone was scum. There's not much to analyze that because he/she caught out their own mistake. It was also a mistake on my part for not realizing they are German and I could understand the language barrier. Need me to elaborate more here or what?

Hika wrote:

Zexion wrote:

There's already plenty of material to read and discuss. All our votes should be serious now, we have imput from about all the players. I don't really get the scumslipping part, when did I imply any of it?

You didn't imply it, I stated it myself. Also, sure there is plenty of material to read and discuss, but from more specifically, Navizel and SNB, not exactly anyone else atm. So it's not plenty in the sense that everyone is involved.

Hika wrote:

HAHAHAAH, I'm sorry Drezi, I will answer that for you if you'd like.

Hika wrote:

I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.

Hika wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Obviously Slain's "scumslip"i. When did I ever scumslip? Care to elaborate?

You did not scumslip, that is why I was confused. I just meant sLaiNi's scumslip as in the way he/she worded in the quote about knowing someone was scum. There's not much to analyze that because he/she caught out their own mistake. It was also a mistake on my part for not realizing they are German and I could understand the language barrier. Need me to elaborate more here or what?

Zexion wrote:

Good morning everyone. Before anything, please let's not turn this into a memegame. Kthxbai.

Also we're not on RVS anymore. Abstain from voting randomly.

Navizel wrote:

heh.

Best response 2015. You missed the "nothing personnel kid" anyways.

So, was the intention of this post just a test to get a reaction out of me and Sakura? I find it highly suspicious you would just post this and then dissapear.

What bothers me is your passive attitude towards things said to you. You just let Sakura defend you agaist what I said about you, not reacting at all. I feel like you're either ignoring me or using this play to go unnoticed then quickly change the subject.

I have the intent to vote you but I'll wait until the votecount. I woulld like to avoid L-1 at this point because lolhammers and newbies (Including myself).

Drezi wrote:

So Hika, you say Zexion reacted just as you thought. It means you must have had something in mind about him, which turned out to be true, since he did as you expected, verifying your assumptions, so what was it, what conclusions did you draw?

Sakura wrote:

What do you think of Navizel?

Sakura wrote:

If i thought Navi being at L-1 was an issue i'd have unvoted myself. As I haven't i still think he's scum and needs to die.
Why do you ask me this question? Do YOU want to unvote?

Navizel wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I still think it's strange how Navizel stood in the background, despite others suspecting him, but as soon as I suspect him, he starts to accuse me of being scum.

You mean how I was asleep and then as soon as I woke up, yours was the latest post?

Sakura wrote:

if you're scumhunting, why, aren't you using your vote which is our weapon, to actually scumhunt, put pressure onto someone, etc, and get reactions.

Sakura wrote:

What are your current top 3 scumreads?
Are you townreading anyone?

Sakura wrote:

Also i just realized that post i quoted from Navi's uncommital, yet he was accusing Zexion of the same thing...

Static Noise Bird wrote:

@Sakura, what do you think of the Zexion/Hika stuff? Didn't see much of an opinion from you yet.

Sakura wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

@Sakura, what do you think of the Zexion/Hika stuff? Didn't see much of an opinion from you yet.

I'm currently townreading Hika, hence why i'm working with her and asking her for opinions, etc. Zexion is still a null-scum read right now, and the only reason i moved my vote to Navi is due to how Navi was a stronger scumread.
The fact that he was very willing to unvote Navi just because Navi reached L-1 makes me think it may have been a bus vote, and when i questioned it, he had no choice but to leave it there. Although im not one to make associations without flips, but if Navi flips scum, is something to take a note of, if Navi flips town, then this point's most likely irrelevant.
As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.

Sakura wrote:

I'm surprised, i called that i may have been wrong about you 1 page ago, and now im saying you're scum and you don't even notice that? Are you even scumhunting?.

Sakura wrote:

Oh yeah, i was also wondering about SNB not voitng anyone but deciding to not vote Slaini.

Zexion wrote:

...what? Of course I noticed it, hence I replied to that just a post ago. I already knew (or atleast, I felt) you don't read me as town even after the initial talk. I am merely suprised you find Hika's points so valid. Your only reason right now for suspecting me *again* is because I feared I made a mistake by bringing someone to L-1, as I just explained. Why does that startle you all of a sudden?

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

-snipped quote-

The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.

Awaiting Navi's response to being at L-1 and stuff.

Sakura wrote:

I'm surprised, i called that i may have been wrong about you 1 page ago, and now im saying you're scum and you don't even notice that? Are you even scumhunting?.

Sakura wrote:

Why is Hika null and why did you feel the need to put that "I'm about to fall to null", it feels like you're trying to scare me or smth.

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Sakura wrote:

Hika wrote:

It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.

I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.

One of my main pet peeves with Zexion early on was that he seemed like he wanted to test the waters before fully commiting somewhere, which is something scum like to do, although after discussing with him i found his explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.

What do you think of Navizel?

Sakura wrote:

Wait, where in that post did you mention what i said again...
Ugh i can't tell if it's just miscommunication on our part, or your scum trying to dodge the question.

Sakura wrote:

i found his [Zexion's] explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.

Sakura wrote:

As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.

Zexion wrote:

@Mod: Prod Ace-Timing

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@Mod: Prod Ace-Timing

He never even confirmed, i think he might end up getting replaced instead, but who knows.

Sakura wrote:

This is what im talking about:

Sakura wrote:

i found his [Zexion's] explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.

Sakura wrote:

As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

@Hika, what is your exact stance on Zexion

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Zexion wrote:

The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.

Sakura wrote:

Went through the ISO and found this:

Navizel wrote:

@Sakura - I agree with your thoughts on Drezi. One for one in day one seems outright stupid. Though maybe you two are scum and then since you dissolved the idea, people won't think you're scum in case Drezi died and flipped scum. Idk, I'm being paranoid too

Bold is mine.
Back then i was interaction with Zexion so i didn't pay it much mind, but now that you mention it, this post can clearly show what im talking about, specially in the bold.

Either way im a person that doesn't like leaving early posts without scrutinization, but i do agree with you, why the heck did Navi agree with my possibly moon logic as people seem to call it nowadays >.>

Sakura wrote:

Also i just realized that post i quoted from Navi's uncommital, yet he was accusing Zexion of the same thing...

sLaiNi wrote:

@Hika
Of course I care if someone votes for me (which is part of the game i guess), but as strange as it sounds, I feel kind of safe as I know for myself, that I am town (which you can't know and which could also be lied).
That I called my own excusion less convincingly might be, because I felt cornered and believed, that you would not believe me anyway.

Zexion wrote:

Vote: Navizel

I got tired of waiting.

P.S I won't be here during afternoon cause of my grad. I'll probably be back by night.

Sakura wrote:

Also i think Navi's at L-1 now, might be L-2, but i'll say L-1 just to be safe. Be careful with the next vote.

Zexion wrote:

Want me to unvote?

SNB wrote:

Cannot nullify a valid suspicion with a reason that can't be proven, and that's the funny part, you know.

Zexion wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Why is Hika null and why did you feel the need to put that "I'm about to fall to null", it feels like you're trying to scare me or smth.

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Because you accuse me of "not even scumhunting" and yet you're totally OK at Hika keeping ideas to themselves and Jess and Slaini not saying anything useful. That attitude sounds pretty inconsistent. You wanted my reads, if you feel "scared" by looking at them, its your fault , but yeah, I should not have put that "you're" there.

Hika wrote:

Yaaaaaaaaa, he is still null for me.
Sakura, how do you feel about him rn.