Navizel wrote:

heh.

Hika wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I would prefer to have imput from all players before making serious voting, don't you think so?

Either earlier on in the game you were VI, you just didn't realize what you were doing, or you really are scummy.

sLaiNi wrote:

I'm here now. So as inexperienced as I am, I rather stay a little bit in the background and give my thoughts on your ideas rather than creating them myself.

Not answering despite having posted is barely a proof for anyone to be scum. IMO

Thanks Sakura for explaining some of the words people use in this game. Helped me out quiet a bit.

-[Jess]- wrote:

this is self-contradictory.

sLaiNi wrote:

I still think it's strange how Navizel stood in the background, despite others suspecting him, but as soon as I suspect him, he starts to accuse me of being scum.

Zexion wrote:

Also we're not on RVS anymore. Abstain from voting randomly.

Zexion wrote:

I suggest you read the first pages again because I already explained this and the Drezi/Sakura posts. Let's not bring that up again because we already reached a conclusion.

Besides this I don't see anything relevant or helpful on your post. Would you mind developing your ideas about the scumslip or are you just messing around?

Zexion wrote:

Also about the "scumslip"... that doesn't seem like definitve proof. As a non-native english speaker, that sentence would have made perfect sense in my language. I don't know anything about german but it may have had sense on that language too... I'll give it the benefit of doubt and just say it was bad-worded, but it still bothers me.

sLaiNi wrote:

In German, "If you are a scum" means "Wenn du ein Scum(Abschaum) bist". Translating "Wenn" to "When" is a common mistake (even though it's a bit embarrassing for me to make such a mistake). This might sound like a bad excusion therefor, but that's how it happened.

sLaiNi wrote:

Ahh, you posted while I was writing the post above @Zexion.


First, thanks for the nice welcoming. I already took a quick look at the wiki, but I am definitly reading a lot more there after you suggestion.

Yesterday, when I was browsing through the Osu-Forums, I found the Mafia section. After reading some in it, I noticed that it reminded me of a game my "religious education" - teacher used to play with us for one or two times, named "Die Werwölfe von Düsterwald" which is also about some people being werewolf and knowing each other and being able to kill the villagers in the night while these vote for a execution on days end.

That's what made me really interested in trying this out. And even though I seem to be terrible and I barely know how to contribute to the discussion, it's a lot of fun for me.

Hika wrote:

Zexion, this is going completely over your head.

Zexion wrote:

Also we're not on RVS anymore. Abstain from voting randomly.

What if some of us haven't picked up on anything. Not saying that I haven't, but as it is a "newbie game", I will abstain from pressuring as long as everyone can evaluate properly what they are saying. So let people vote as they would like. People are not scumslipping, people are just being very clueless when they post without sense. I still consider RVS but that Navizel post was a little odd and I am examining it as we speak.

Hika wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I suggest you read the first pages again because I already explained this and the Drezi/Sakura posts. Let's not bring that up again because we already reached a conclusion.

Besides this I don't see anything relevant or helpful on your post. Would you mind developing your ideas about the scumslip or are you just messing around?

Nice, I already got a reaction out of you. It's a reaction test, to see what you will say, and you reacted to it just as I thought.
I can read, I have two eyes, and what it seemed like, to me at least" was a bunch of pointless bickering. It's not like I can disregard it though. You guys ended it on your own terms. Me, however? I have just started to read the thread and will not take things like that lightly, especially if I see walls and walls of text in the beginning of D1.

It is helpful for me so I can keep note of what I am doing and so everyone will know my opinion. You mentioned this earlier on in the game, correct? You mentioned that it would be nice to get the opinion of everyone before being too hasty.

And specify scumslip. You scumslipping or sLaiNi?

Drezi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Also, you misread it, i didnt say you'd give me towncred, i said the entirely opposite, you saying i was town before i even posted, if you flipped scum would cause me to get mislynched, but as i said before, that'd be too risky of a move and it'd involve you sacrificing yourself.

Yeah but this is the part I don't get, I didn't misread it, I simply understand the hypothetical case you mention this way: "Oh look Drezi turned out to be scum, and he put Sakura as town, let's lynch Sakura" -> "Why? Because scum put her as town! Why does it mean she's scum then? Because scum wanted us to think she's town! Wait she isn't? No scum wanted us to think the other scum is town!"

And this just doesn't seem feasible as I said in my last post, or why else do you think town would decide to lynch you if I flipped scum after putting you as town?

Sakura wrote:

I guess it might be paranoia, but you're right that there's not much to go off and think something like that, it's related to stuff i can't talk about atm, so it'll have to wait.

Hika wrote:

Nice, I already got a reaction out of you. It's a reaction test, to see what you will say, and you reacted to it just as I thought.

Navizel wrote:

Where are the others

I feel like Drezi's reads are just for rvs therefore insignificant. If it's not, I would like to know the reasons as well. He ignored my vote too. (it's an rv but still)

and unicorns aren't real :< [spoiler]I wish they are[/color]

Navizel wrote:

@Sakura - I agree with your thoughts on Drezi. One for one in day one seems outright stupid. Though maybe you two are scum and then since you dissolved the idea, people won't think you're scum in case Drezi died and flipped scum. Idk, I'm being paranoid too

Drezi wrote:

This might be a personality/playstyle thing but I found this a bit excessive "look at me working my townie magic".

Zexion wrote:

There's already plenty of material to read and discuss. All our votes should be serious now, we have imput from about all the players. I don't really get the scumslipping part, when did I imply any of it?

Zexion wrote:

I can't read your mind. The way you worded it sounded like you didn't read any of my discussion with Sakura. If you're not going to take what me and Sakura posted lightly and don't agree with our conclussions, how about you post what you don't agree with instead of looking for an excuse to say something like "hey, I'm doing something to find scum, but I won't tell you!".

Zexion wrote:

Where am I being hasty? Hastly would be voting for any of the newcomers without talking properly with them. I merely stated that in your post you didn't come with new points to work with, just pointed the obvious and proved you didn't read properly the first pages.

Zexion wrote:

Obviously Slain's "scumslip"i. When did I ever scumslip? Care to elaborate?

Hika wrote:

It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.

I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.

Hika wrote:

HAHAHAAH, I'm sorry Drezi, I will answer that for you if you'd like.

Hika wrote:

Drezi wrote:

This might be a personality/playstyle thing but I found this a bit excessive "look at me working my townie magic".

Not exactly a personality/playstyle thing, just me letting him know that he fucked up by giving me the reaction I was looking for, however, it is invalid because he is right about me reading incorrectly in the dialog between him and Sakura. I know Sakura's playstyle and all I kept reading was "looking for scum" all over her face.

I think it's fair letting him know so that way he can put on his serious game face here since I'm not sure of HIS playstyle.

At the time being, she is confirmed town for me also. I can see what she did at the beginning and it looks good to me, but I am also analyzing things and also wondering why no one voted with their gut feeling on sLaiNi.

Zexion wrote:

There's already plenty of material to read and discuss. All our votes should be serious now, we have imput from about all the players. I don't really get the scumslipping part, when did I imply any of it?

You didn't imply it, I stated it myself. Also, sure there is plenty of material to read and discuss, but from more specifically, Navizel and SNB, not exactly anyone else atm. So it's not plenty in the sense that everyone is involved.

Zexion wrote:

I can't read your mind. The way you worded it sounded like you didn't read any of my discussion with Sakura. If you're not going to take what me and Sakura posted lightly and don't agree with our conclussions, how about you post what you don't agree with instead of looking for an excuse to say something like "hey, I'm doing something to find scum, but I won't tell you!".

It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.

I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.

Zexion wrote:

Where am I being hasty? Hastly would be voting for any of the newcomers without talking properly with them. I merely stated that in your post you didn't come with new points to work with, just pointed the obvious and proved you didn't read properly the first pages.

Read above, I meant generally being too hasty. You're not doing anything wrong. However, I don't have to share or to come in with new points if I feel that it is a wrong time. I want to see more people post here in a serious sense too. I am not voting based on RVS concluding this post, however.

Zexion wrote:

Obviously Slain's "scumslip"i. When did I ever scumslip? Care to elaborate?

You did not scumslip, that is why I was confused. I just meant sLaiNi's scumslip as in the way he/she worded in the quote about knowing someone was scum. There's not much to analyze that because he/she caught out their own mistake. It was also a mistake on my part for not realizing they are German and I could understand the language barrier. Need me to elaborate more here or what?

Hika wrote:

Zexion wrote:

There's already plenty of material to read and discuss. All our votes should be serious now, we have imput from about all the players. I don't really get the scumslipping part, when did I imply any of it?

You didn't imply it, I stated it myself. Also, sure there is plenty of material to read and discuss, but from more specifically, Navizel and SNB, not exactly anyone else atm. So it's not plenty in the sense that everyone is involved.

Hika wrote:

HAHAHAAH, I'm sorry Drezi, I will answer that for you if you'd like.

Hika wrote:

I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.

Hika wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Obviously Slain's "scumslip"i. When did I ever scumslip? Care to elaborate?

You did not scumslip, that is why I was confused. I just meant sLaiNi's scumslip as in the way he/she worded in the quote about knowing someone was scum. There's not much to analyze that because he/she caught out their own mistake. It was also a mistake on my part for not realizing they are German and I could understand the language barrier. Need me to elaborate more here or what?

Zexion wrote:

Good morning everyone. Before anything, please let's not turn this into a memegame. Kthxbai.

Also we're not on RVS anymore. Abstain from voting randomly.

Navizel wrote:

heh.

Best response 2015. You missed the "nothing personnel kid" anyways.

So, was the intention of this post just a test to get a reaction out of me and Sakura? I find it highly suspicious you would just post this and then dissapear.

What bothers me is your passive attitude towards things said to you. You just let Sakura defend you agaist what I said about you, not reacting at all. I feel like you're either ignoring me or using this play to go unnoticed then quickly change the subject.

I have the intent to vote you but I'll wait until the votecount. I woulld like to avoid L-1 at this point because lolhammers and newbies (Including myself).

Drezi wrote:

So Hika, you say Zexion reacted just as you thought. It means you must have had something in mind about him, which turned out to be true, since he did as you expected, verifying your assumptions, so what was it, what conclusions did you draw?

Sakura wrote:

What do you think of Navizel?

Sakura wrote:

If i thought Navi being at L-1 was an issue i'd have unvoted myself. As I haven't i still think he's scum and needs to die.
Why do you ask me this question? Do YOU want to unvote?

Navizel wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I still think it's strange how Navizel stood in the background, despite others suspecting him, but as soon as I suspect him, he starts to accuse me of being scum.

You mean how I was asleep and then as soon as I woke up, yours was the latest post?

Sakura wrote:

if you're scumhunting, why, aren't you using your vote which is our weapon, to actually scumhunt, put pressure onto someone, etc, and get reactions.

Sakura wrote:

What are your current top 3 scumreads?
Are you townreading anyone?

Sakura wrote:

Also i just realized that post i quoted from Navi's uncommital, yet he was accusing Zexion of the same thing...

Static Noise Bird wrote:

@Sakura, what do you think of the Zexion/Hika stuff? Didn't see much of an opinion from you yet.

Sakura wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

@Sakura, what do you think of the Zexion/Hika stuff? Didn't see much of an opinion from you yet.

I'm currently townreading Hika, hence why i'm working with her and asking her for opinions, etc. Zexion is still a null-scum read right now, and the only reason i moved my vote to Navi is due to how Navi was a stronger scumread.
The fact that he was very willing to unvote Navi just because Navi reached L-1 makes me think it may have been a bus vote, and when i questioned it, he had no choice but to leave it there. Although im not one to make associations without flips, but if Navi flips scum, is something to take a note of, if Navi flips town, then this point's most likely irrelevant.
As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.

Sakura wrote:

I'm surprised, i called that i may have been wrong about you 1 page ago, and now im saying you're scum and you don't even notice that? Are you even scumhunting?.

Sakura wrote:

Oh yeah, i was also wondering about SNB not voitng anyone but deciding to not vote Slaini.

Zexion wrote:

...what? Of course I noticed it, hence I replied to that just a post ago. I already knew (or atleast, I felt) you don't read me as town even after the initial talk. I am merely suprised you find Hika's points so valid. Your only reason right now for suspecting me *again* is because I feared I made a mistake by bringing someone to L-1, as I just explained. Why does that startle you all of a sudden?

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

-snipped quote-

The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.

Awaiting Navi's response to being at L-1 and stuff.

Sakura wrote:

I'm surprised, i called that i may have been wrong about you 1 page ago, and now im saying you're scum and you don't even notice that? Are you even scumhunting?.

Sakura wrote:

Why is Hika null and why did you feel the need to put that "I'm about to fall to null", it feels like you're trying to scare me or smth.

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Sakura wrote:

Hika wrote:

It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.

I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.

One of my main pet peeves with Zexion early on was that he seemed like he wanted to test the waters before fully commiting somewhere, which is something scum like to do, although after discussing with him i found his explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.

What do you think of Navizel?

Sakura wrote:

Wait, where in that post did you mention what i said again...
Ugh i can't tell if it's just miscommunication on our part, or your scum trying to dodge the question.

Sakura wrote:

i found his [Zexion's] explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.

Sakura wrote:

As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.

Zexion wrote:

@Mod: Prod Ace-Timing

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@Mod: Prod Ace-Timing

He never even confirmed, i think he might end up getting replaced instead, but who knows.

Sakura wrote:

This is what im talking about:

Sakura wrote:

i found his [Zexion's] explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.

Sakura wrote:

As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

@Hika, what is your exact stance on Zexion

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Zexion wrote:

The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.

Sakura wrote:

Went through the ISO and found this:

Navizel wrote:

@Sakura - I agree with your thoughts on Drezi. One for one in day one seems outright stupid. Though maybe you two are scum and then since you dissolved the idea, people won't think you're scum in case Drezi died and flipped scum. Idk, I'm being paranoid too

Bold is mine.
Back then i was interaction with Zexion so i didn't pay it much mind, but now that you mention it, this post can clearly show what im talking about, specially in the bold.

Either way im a person that doesn't like leaving early posts without scrutinization, but i do agree with you, why the heck did Navi agree with my possibly moon logic as people seem to call it nowadays >.>

Sakura wrote:

Also i just realized that post i quoted from Navi's uncommital, yet he was accusing Zexion of the same thing...

sLaiNi wrote:

@Hika
Of course I care if someone votes for me (which is part of the game i guess), but as strange as it sounds, I feel kind of safe as I know for myself, that I am town (which you can't know and which could also be lied).
That I called my own excusion less convincingly might be, because I felt cornered and believed, that you would not believe me anyway.

Zexion wrote:

Vote: Navizel

I got tired of waiting.

P.S I won't be here during afternoon cause of my grad. I'll probably be back by night.

Sakura wrote:

Also i think Navi's at L-1 now, might be L-2, but i'll say L-1 just to be safe. Be careful with the next vote.

Zexion wrote:

Want me to unvote?

SNB wrote:

Cannot nullify a valid suspicion with a reason that can't be proven, and that's the funny part, you know.

Zexion wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Why is Hika null and why did you feel the need to put that "I'm about to fall to null", it feels like you're trying to scare me or smth.

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Because you accuse me of "not even scumhunting" and yet you're totally OK at Hika keeping ideas to themselves and Jess and Slaini not saying anything useful. That attitude sounds pretty inconsistent. You wanted my reads, if you feel "scared" by looking at them, its your fault , but yeah, I should not have put that "you're" there.

Hika wrote:

Yaaaaaaaaa, he is still null for me.
Sakura, how do you feel about him rn.

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

Hika wrote:

SNB, may I have your reads please? You are null to me.

Hika wrote:

At the time being, she [Sakura] is confirmed town for me also.

Hika wrote:

Until you [Zexion] post a little more, I will just label you as null-leaning scum. It's not bad, I won't put my vote on you because I don't think you're scummy..

Hika wrote:

ok, well let me do this.

Vote: Zexion

hahhahaah

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.

Zexion wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

this is self-contradictory.

SNB already said this but let me "contribute" a bit: why is this self-contradictory? Do you have any futher thoughts about Slaini being scum because of this contradiction?

-[Jess]- wrote:

and making some note to help me think

Hika wrote:

Hi guys! Finally back home from work o/
Also Zexion, any questions for me? Just wondering.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

@Hika, what is your exact stance on Zexion

My stance at the moment? Zexion is null-leaning scum, but as I've mentioned before, I am not familiar with his play style etcetcetc because he plays as if he doesn't know a lot. But that's okay. Him being novice is what's keeping him null.

*waits for OMGUS*

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Well do you have any specific questions? Be very specific so I can satisfy your curiosity.

Zexion wrote:

The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.

Of course you won't like anything I say, it is going against your knowledge about your role. Until you post a little more, I will just label you as null-leaning scum. It's not bad, I won't put my vote on you because I don't think you're scummy, but so far, Navi does not receive my vote just yet until I see more play from him. I say give it 24-48 hours.

ok, my opinion still stands.

SNB, may I have your reads please? You are null to me.

Hika wrote:

I'll be sure to hunt the scum off your wagon if that becomes the case here.

Hika wrote:

I don't care Drezi, that CANNOT be my concern, at least not now.

Hika wrote:

Don't assume without asking. Sakura doesn't have my town read because of the dialogue earlier on, but based off of the way she is picking up scum, I can completely agree with that. Confirmed doesn't apply for everyone, it only applies it onto my list. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being completely town, 5 being completely null and 10 being completely scummy, I'd put Sakura at about a 3. Drezi, based on your reaction to my vote, I can bump you up to a 2. That is what I wanted.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Vote: Navizel

I got tired of waiting.

this vote really sucks. You even mentioned that we should abstain from voting randomly. Your vote isn't random but it's being impatient and it's not townlike.

P.S I won't be here during afternoon cause of my grad. I'll probably be back by night.

Sakura wrote:

Also i think Navi's at L-1 now, might be L-2, but i'll say L-1 just to be safe. Be careful with the next vote.

Hmmm. I don't get the be careful part. You mentioned that I should be lynched with fire because I am scum right? If you're so sure that I am scum why would they be careful on voting a scum?

Zexion wrote:

Want me to unvote?

Why would you ask someone if you should unvote

Navizel wrote:

It feels like you want to shift the attention to others so the heat won't be on you.

Sakura wrote:

@Zexion: I don't understand why you unvoted me here: p/4279800 since you could've kept your vote for pressure, if you had a townread on me or smth, then why not move your vote to Navizel at that point considering you also had issues with what he was doing.

Sakura wrote:

On the subject of Zexion: p/4281118 This post is really odd Doesn't want to vote Navi because possible L-1, yet Navi wasn't in danger of L-1 Back then, then votes Navi later when Navi's at L-2. And the only thing he ever says to Slaini is "Hi welcome, go here to learn how to play" Looking at it from another angle this post only talks about Navi's response to suspicion, who he was already suspecting anyway. Hika's post about him. And Slaini's scumslip. I'm pretty sure there's more stuff to comment on so I don't get why this post didn't comment on anything els

Sakura wrote:

p/4280488 This post makes me uneasy, lurker warning, has Slaini done anything other than his supposed scumslip that was proved to be... not an actual scumslip but translation error afterwards?

Sakura wrote:

@Slaini: What the heck is with the choice of wording here: p/4280552 It's like "Oh hey im voting you, but you can just take it as a pat on the back!" also p/4280877 Jess never posted (or at least anything significant) between these 2 votes, so what was the point of your vote?, ALSO: You voted "Navi" for replying heh to my vote, what did that make you think of Jess replying ":^) "to your vote

Sakura wrote:

p/4281024 I have a thing with people justifying their actions with "I'm newbie" this is a newbie game, of course there's going to be newbies, you don't need to justify being a newbie, however i hate it when ppl use that fact to justify stuff they do, if you have questions about the game ask or look in the mafiascum wiki, but dont try to justify your actions because "Oh sorry im just newbie", I've already had scum do that to me twice in the past. (Also this is the famous scumslip post lol).

Sakura wrote:

p/4281227 <- Trying to call out Navizel of Beetlejuicing when he wasn't doing as such.

Sakura wrote:

p/4281253 <- Ignored Navizel's reply to his accusation completely.

Sakura wrote:

p/4281319 This (Slaini's, osu's being weird) and the next post are really awkward. And of course, Slaini completely ignoring Navi who he's scumreading... AGAIN.

Sakura wrote:

I'm just gonna explain beetlejuicing since im having lunch soon:

Beetlejuice tell, well if you ever watched Beetlejuice you'd get the picture, is basically when a player appears as soon as he's getting mentioned (call his name 3 times ) Either way, you're accusing Navizel of only appearing when you attacked him, which is similar to what i mentioned, but this would only be true if Navizel had been gone for a while, which wasn't true.

I'll be back after lunch.

sLaiNi wrote:

Just wanted to make clear, that I want to take a look at how the game rolls before making unuseful contributes. Still, I have to admit, that this might be an excusing for lurking, too.

sLaiNi wrote:

I just got told (p/4280507) that it is totally okay to vote people randomly in the beginning. That's why I decided to vote someone and I just stated, that I'm not mad, due to her voting me. So it was merely a random vote, which I didn't want to have any special background.
That ":^)" was just like an "Yes, I know, it's okay" for me. At that point I read through all posts and decided, that I think Navi is more suspicious, so that I'd rather vote him instead, which I did afterwards. So my unvote had nothing to do with Jess doing something, but instead with Navi doing something, in this case avoiding conversation.

sLaiNi wrote:

I'm sorry if I upset you in any way. I did not mean to. I won't use this in any way anymore o.O

sLaiNi wrote:

Indeed, I did ignore it, rather because I knew, at this point, that he is right with what he said. When you posted that his answer to that is no excusion, I felt confirmed in my accusation. So I just let you answer to that, instead of me.

sLaiNi wrote:

Don't know what's awkward about it. Also I don't know which second post you are talking about? You mean the one where he explained that werewolf is the same? I just thought that this is offtopic and not allowed to win the overhand here.

sLaiNi wrote:

Town:
Sakura (The way she is ready to analyze everyone and being ready to shift her vote makes me pretty comfortable about her)

sLaiNi wrote:

Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)

sLaiNi wrote:

SNB (Can't explain it that much, it's just a feel there )

sLaiNi wrote:

Null-scummish:
Hika (The way you just voted Zexion for scum, while he didn't give any reasoning for it makes me doubt )

sLaiNi wrote:

Pretty Scummish:
Navizel ( Though you might've been right about yourself not having time to post (Congratz for Exams ) it still bothers me )

sLaiNi wrote:

@Sakura, I keep your "don't vote Navizel" in mind, but I'll let my vote stay like this, until I find someone who seems to be even scummier

sLaiNi wrote:

Ah thanks for explaining, now I understand it.


It's more that I felt like he wasn't replying to your accusions on him (except that "heh"), but as soon as I voted for him, he started accusing me, despite you and Drezi have voted for him. The whole time he didn't give any statement on you two's accusations (I don't think he did until now[?]).

Or did you mean something different?

Hika wrote:

That is what I wanted.

Sakura wrote:

If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?

Sakura wrote:

Wait what?

Sakura wrote:

It feels like you're more concerned with how people look at you than actually finding scum.

Sakura wrote:

I can agree with the former being town, but how did you get that feeling from my posts? as for the 2nd, how is that a reason to townread me? Even disregarding the meta that i shift votes a lot (which you wouldn't have any way of knowing), people normally tend to see vote hopping as scummy.

Sakura wrote:

What do you mean by "just accepted".

Sakura wrote:

Any post in particular that gave you such a feel?

Sakura wrote:

Are you just sheeping Drezi's reasoning who seems to be absent from your reads list for some reason.

Sakura wrote:

Did you read my post about Navizel's claim

Sakura wrote:

I can accept this explanation, however i still don't see you actually scumhunting outside of your debate with Navi, and your reasoning for suspecting Hika's similar to what Drezi brought up, so it feels like you could be scum just trying to follow the town.

Drezi wrote:

Hika wrote:

That is what I wanted.

No.

I'm glad you're happy with my reaction but I can't say the same, I think Hika could use some more votes :^)

@Sakura My townread is because I liked what you were doing (like @Zexion, Unvote on Navi), and of course you could do that as scum aswell, but objectively everything one does could be done by scum aswell, so in the end I just have to draw the line somewhere and make up my mind.

@slaini you did not include me on your reads list, any particular reason?

I'm not so sure about Zexion now, what he's saying makes sense but I'd really like him to come forward with stuff himself, he's mainly just replying to stuff directed at him..?

Hika wrote:

Did you know I voted for you or did you purposely not want to say anything of it?

Hika wrote:

place holder for now, don't feel like mafia today.

Drezi wrote:

I'm not so sure about Zexion now, what he's saying makes sense but I'd really like him to come forward with stuff himself, he's mainly just replying to stuff directed at him..?

Navizel wrote:

You mean ISOs? CB has them on the first page.

Ace Timing wrote:

late but
/confirm

Vote Static Nosie Bird
reason: stole #8 spot. I wanted that...