*on mah bullshit
Personally, I think that self-voting does not prove to be an appropriate strategy because I see it as diverting attention from yourself in the manner that if you do it, no one will be willing to vote for you in the 50/50 chance that you are either scum or town. So I prefer it if none of you guys self vote and use it as an explanation for "scum hunting" because there is more town than scum. At least I hope so. I need to reread the rules a few more times again.pieguy1372 wrote:
and self-voting is indicative of not scum hunting, how? I think it's fairly obvious I'm at least forming reads here.
Wagon was an accidental slip. 3 + 4 = 7, you can't split 7 in half and you most definitely split a person's vote in half, so 3 is getting a little closer to 4 which is a lot more than 3. My point is, wagon was a wrong choice of words, especially since I just glanced, saw names and started with RVS because no one is saying anything important, but so far, after reading ALL ISOs, GIF is very scummy and I don't like him right now. Why would you hold out information that could be useful to everyone on seeing how to end the day?rEdo wrote:
[*]Hika with the DD vote, either not paying attention to the game or trying to counterwagon
Choofers wrote:
okay let me be more explicit since holding out on supposed information is inherently scummy: why was your vote non-rvs? do you have a gut read on pieguy this early on in the game? are you fishing for reactions?GuyInFreezer wrote:
If I wanted to elaborate now I already would have done so.
Why do you ask me? I think it was because pieguy voted himself. Simple as that, no further explanation needed. I would vote for him too but can I have everyone's stance first?rEdo wrote:
Looks like a good start. Hika, why do you think GIF voted pieguy?
I agree, why ask me? But I as I stated after the above quote to rEdo, I think it's because he voted himself. I would do the same thing if I was here to SEE him do it in action because that is super duper scummy. I wouldn't do that at all.Frostings wrote:
Why is the question directed to Hika, of all people as well
Why not ask GIF directly if he has any reason to retain his vote on pieguy other than trolling in RVS which is ubiquitous in all mafia games
I don't want random hammer without my point and my questions being answered and said. That is all. I am afraid that someone may make a mistake if they're not paying attention. I am speaking of past games but I just want everyone to know that if someone is about to be HAMMERED, let them make a defense statement. That should be obvious, but just saying so far.pieguy1372 wrote:
my issue with rEdo is that, despite listing off all the stuff that happened, he didn't take any kind of stance on any of it.
the point about Hika trying to "counterwagon" me is meh. it feels like an odd thing to focus on in early game. I'd like to know what he thinks knowing this would tell him about Hika's alignment.
you're missing the pointHika wrote:
Personally, I think that self-voting does not prove to be an appropriate strategy because I see it as diverting attention from yourself in the manner that if you do it, no one will be willing to vote for you in the 50/50 chance that you are either scum or town. So I prefer it if none of you guys self vote and use it as an explanation for "scum hunting" because there is more town than scum. At least I hope so. I need to reread the rules a few more times again.
this was referring to what rEdo was saying, not anything you didHika wrote:
Sure, it's an odd thing to focus on in early game but I want to know everyone's stance on each other after my questions are answered.
why do you need everyone's stance before voting me?Hika wrote:
Why do you ask me? I think it was because pieguy voted himself. Simple as that, no further explanation needed. I would vote for him too but can I have everyone's stance first?
It's funny because Frostings wrote that in the first place, not Dakefartownik wrote:
Frostings gets + townpoints from me, the concern seemed genuine enough to convince me. On the other hand, Dake's super-new and innovative opinion that revealing our colors is not beneficial for town seems like a filler-post.
While the second and third questions are run-of-the-mill and could be asked by anyone, there's nothing substantial thereSakura wrote:
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Jinxy wrote:
And what "concern" are you even talking about? He asked the mod 3 questions: First was if multiple scum can be in a neighbourhood which is totally in the opening post if he had read harder
I agree on not revealing our neighborhood color, imo it's useless for town if any neighborhood can have more than one scum.Frostings wrote:
Having neighbor chat is more useful to town than scum, but knowing who's in which color team seems a bit useless as a townie, as far as I'm concerned
It was way too early to make a definite stance for me at that point, that's why I wanted to gather information first. I posted It would not help me yet, but that would be something good enough to base on, I believe.pieguy1372 wrote:
my issue with rEdo is that, despite listing off all the stuff that happened, he didn't take any kind of stance on any of it. the point about Hika trying to "counterwagon" me is meh. it feels like an odd thing to focus on in early game. I'd like to know what he thinks knowing this would tell him about Hika's alignment.
Take a closer look at his ISO, you'll find a clue in his exchange of words with Choofers. Also, I didn't ask why GIF's vote on pieguy was cast, but why it's currently active.Hika wrote:
Wagon was an accidental slip. 3 + 4 = 7, you can't split 7 in half and you most definitely split a person's vote in half, so 3 is getting a little closer to 4 which is a lot more than 3. My point is, wagon was a wrong choice of words, especially since I just glanced, saw names and started with RVS because no one is saying anything important, but so far, after reading ALL ISOs, GIF is very scummy and I don't like him right now. Why would you hold out information that could be useful to everyone on seeing how to end the day?
I'd say there are so many ways to move the game forward without misleading the game like GIF ending RVS unless you're scum trying to get some towncred by self-voting.pieguy1372 wrote:
the self-vote was done, btw, because I had no idea how to move the game forward and thought someone might do something interesting if I wagoned myself
Hello scumpoints. What Hika did was nowhere close to leading anything so I have no idea what you're talking about. Seems like you're trying to share some of your own towncred with her. Bad idea my friend.Choofers wrote:
I don't have super strong reads on anyone at the moment, although I will say that it looks like Hika's playing from a town mindset; I don't think scum generally wants to lead in a game like this
Prods happen when a player hasn't posted for 24 hours.rEdo wrote:
@mod: If in range, prod Chamelo please.
Jinxy wrote:
And what "concern" are you even talking about?
The setup concern? The one about cards affecting neighbors? The one she/he was talking about? Hello?Jinxy wrote:
Ok well I certainly appreciate you making jabs instead of answering the question in my postJinxy wrote:
And what "concern" are you even talking about?
I will admit something here. I am coming with irrelevant answers to everyone saying "I don't get what Hika is doing, she isn't paying attention" etcetcetc. I didn't want to reveal my intentions until someone thought the same way I thought.Chamelo_Th wrote:
I still don't get Hika's counterwagon on Dake because c'mon, you don't want anyone to accidentally hammer pieguy but instead building up another chance for Dake to be hammered, though it's less likely happen but still, you can just not vote and FoS him.
And didn't add very much to it in that post to begin with. But when asked by Frostings what he meant by it, he didn't add much to it and called pieguy and I scummy. It is a little scummy that he wouldn't elaborate on it a little more.DakeDekaane wrote:
So many people I'd want to vote and only one vote
DD is a null-scum read atm. He is not contributing very much as his posts are filler but I will give him one more chance to stop what he's doing. His actions are strange to me and I can't classify them as town mindset AT ALL.rEdo wrote:
@Hika: Thoughts on pieguy and DD so far?
@farto - You want to explain this for me? I want to know your opinion on this post specifically.fartownik wrote:
What Hika did was nowhere close to leading anything so I have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't think I quite get this. Maybe it's just the context of this, so can you explain this a little more too? Also, I just realize that he did not address you either.fartownik wrote:
I have a question for everyone: did any more of you not fully understand this post of mine? Part about Dake
Frostings wrote:
also this is scummyDakeDekaane wrote:
So many people I'd want to vote and only one vote
want to elaborate or no?
Because I can just say "I';m looking 4 the scumteam gaiz" to fake town activity as well
I have to! They are long an unnecessary to some and I don't want people to think I'm scummy for inactivity if I decide to write a holy post.fartownik wrote:
Also Hika, you don't need to announce your holy posts every time you prepare to do them. Unless, you actually do.
Ok.fartownik wrote:
The setup concern? The one about cards affecting neighbors? The one she/he was talking about? Hello?
They ask each other shallow questions and respond with empty answers:Choofers wrote:
care to elaborate on this one, buckoGuyInFreezer wrote:
Vote is now serious.
RVS over.
GuyInFreezer wrote:
If I wanted to elaborate now I already would have done so.Choofers wrote:
care to elaborate on this one, bucko
Choofers wrote:
yes thank you we know thatGuyInFreezer wrote:
When I first voted him my cote wasn't serious.
it became serious after I announced it.
but why
They're arguing against each other without elaboration or creating additional discussionGuyInFreezer wrote:
I'll just ask you this.Choofers wrote:
okay let me be more explicit since holding out on supposed information is inherently scummy: why was your vote non-rvs? do you have a gut read on pieguy this early on in the game? are you fishing for reactions?
If you're trying to fish reaction, do you explain what your reaction test is? Y/N
you are, again, missing or deliberately misrepresenting the pointDakeDekaane wrote:
pieguy, Self-voting as a way to move people and generate discussion is valid, but does it help you to scumhunt? Did you get the expected reactions? Who is scum for you? Why? I'd like to read this from you. I think rEdo making a single question is more useful to catch other people and maybe pressuring him. That's why I said your selfvoting wasn't better.
Are you talking about Dake? I'm not sure what reply you're talking aboutHika wrote:
@Frostings - He did reply after you and Choofers had your little talk about scum chat and neighbor chat. Why did you not fish him more for not explaining this?
I'm still suspicious of Dake, there's a reason I still have my vote on himHika wrote:
It makes you look like you and DD are scumteam because the suspicion suddenly disappeared in thin air.
He's being a bag of nonsense atm and looking everywhere to have someone to suspect.Nyquill wrote:
Dake, how do you feel about frostings specifically?
what kind of question is this?Frostings wrote:
but you knew about the scum chat?
How does speculation helps town?rEdo wrote:
Frostings - as above, plus a bunch of his last posts were just speculation about the neighbourhood system in this game.
How is it a pointless discussion? Neigbourhoods must not be considered pointless, there's a reason they're there, not just for chitchat. Only scum would let town think neigbourhoods are pointless.fanderwik wrote:
Dake's post was a filler-post, trying to easily catch up to a seemingly pointless discussion.
At first I thought you were deviating the attention from pieguy's wagon, that's why I called you scummy first. Then you came with these pretty elaborated explanations to your actions and been looking here and there to actively scumhunt, which changed my view from you. Not scummy anymore, for the moment.Hika wrote:
@DD - What do you think about me?
But now that I read, he's more on the nonsensical side, lollooks like you're trying to get town cred on your side
Either a paranoid townie, or a scumhunting wannabe scum.or maybe a scumhunting town, which is ubiquitous in all mafia games ever?
How does speculation helps town?I'm speculating that it might be advantageous for scum to know everyone's neighbors, so we should be wary of claiming any of our colors. How does this not help town?