At this time, any questions for me excluding any questions posted previously? I would just like to know so I don't have to post a thousand times.

Frostings wrote:

I find it very suspicious that you didn't know about neighbor chat
I also think you're busing GIF

and I find it weird to be in a game with ootc on
if you think I'm bussing someone, do me a really big favor and substantiate it because I don't think I've bussed at all; I have no scum reads at the moment
you'd probably be my biggest concern right now, tbh, you're nitpicking from a paranoid standpoint

I honestly don't really see the point of neighborhoods, if I'm reading the OP correctly they're not alignment indicative and they mostly just serve to let you know who carries the same color

@ Mod: I just noticed this, the first post doesn't say anything about 2 mafia in the same neighbor, is this possible?

Frostings wrote:

@ Mod: I just noticed this, the first post doesn't say anything about 2 mafia in the same neighbor, is this possible?

It's possible for 1, 2 or the whole scumteam to be on the same neighborhood. Scum randomizing is irrelevant of neighborhoods.

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feck. anyway, think choof's posting looks town even outside of the "townslip"

Sakura wrote:

Frostings wrote:

@ Mod: I just noticed this, the first post doesn't say anything about 2 mafia in the same neighbor, is this possible?

It's possible for 1, 2 or the whole scumteam to be on the same neighborhood. Scum randomizing is irrelevant of neighborhoods.

oh, well then

Time to take back everything I said and reevaluate this game

@ Mod: are there any cards that interact with neighbors only? i.e. do neighbors affect cards at all?

Frostings wrote:

@ Mod: are there any cards that interact with neighbors only? i.e. do neighbors affect cards at all?

I can't answer this question

@ Mod: are we able to directly quote anyone from the neighbor chat to here?

Frostings wrote:

@ Mod: are we able to directly quote anyone from the neighbor chat to here?

No

Alright guys, I think I got it

NoHitter is scum

Sakura wrote:

Frostings wrote:

@ Mod: are there any cards that interact with neighbors only? i.e. do neighbors affect cards at all?

I can't answer this question

It's strange that this question can't be answered.
If there are NO cards that affect neighbors, then neighbors seem almost pointless.

Either there are certain cards that can be drawn which affect neighbors (which would eventually be public knowledge), a Town hyper that does the same thing (which would also become public knowledge) or it's a scum-only hyper.

I'd like to suggest we hold off on any more neighbor reveal for the time being, as it seems nearly useless for town right now, and can be potentially beneficial for scum

Frostings wrote:

Alright guys, I think I got it

NoHitter is scum

I'm assuming this is based on something he did in the neighborhood?

What lead you to think NH is scum?

Neighbours are benefits more town than scum. Since they have more places to discuss their scumreads and create strategies about the use of cards and hypers. If done properly, they can force scum to act like they want to and not the opposite. Just saying my opinion and what would be an ideal situation.

pieguy, you say selfvoting is better than just summarizing and throwing random questions?

I like this Choofers guy.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I'm assuming this is based on something he did in the neighborhood?

DakeDekaane wrote:

What lead you to think NH is scum?

I'm joking of course

DakeDekaane wrote:

pieguy, you say selfvoting is better than just summarizing and throwing random questions?

and self-voting is indicative of not scum hunting, how? I think it's fairly obvious I'm at least forming reads here.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Neighbours are benefits more town than scum. Since they have more places to discuss their scumreads and create strategies about the use of cards and hypers. If done properly, they can force scum to act like they want to and not the opposite. Just saying my opinion and what would be an ideal situation.

Having neighbor chat is more useful to town than scum, but knowing who's in which color team seems a bit useless as a townie, as far as I'm concerned

Frostings wrote:

Alright guys, I think I got it

NoHitter is scum

"woah someone's callin me out on mah brb using ogi to save face"

*on mah bullshit

huge post incoming in roughly 5 minutes everyone be real

you know how i get in mafia

Frostings gets + townpoints from me, the concern seemed genuine enough to convince me. On the other hand, Dake's super-new and innovative opinion that revealing our colors is not beneficial for town seems like a filler-post.

I see potential scum in JInxy, Dake and Hika (depending on her hooge post that is written right now tho).

Getting back to the setup, Sakura's answer on Frostings' question being neutral indicates that the cards do affect neighbors after all. Otherwise she'd just say 'no' and there would be no concern about the thing + the neigbor role itself makes more sense this way in this setup. Not like people were about to claim their colors right away, since that'd be kinda ridiculous and would cost them a scumread from me.

First of all, because this game is completely nonsense to me atm. I want to see everyone's stance after this post.
Unvote

pieguy1372 wrote:

and self-voting is indicative of not scum hunting, how? I think it's fairly obvious I'm at least forming reads here.

Personally, I think that self-voting does not prove to be an appropriate strategy because I see it as diverting attention from yourself in the manner that if you do it, no one will be willing to vote for you in the 50/50 chance that you are either scum or town. So I prefer it if none of you guys self vote and use it as an explanation for "scum hunting" because there is more town than scum. At least I hope so. I need to reread the rules a few more times again.

rEdo wrote:

[*]Hika with the DD vote, either not paying attention to the game or trying to counterwagon

Wagon was an accidental slip. 3 + 4 = 7, you can't split 7 in half and you most definitely split a person's vote in half, so 3 is getting a little closer to 4 which is a lot more than 3. My point is, wagon was a wrong choice of words, especially since I just glanced, saw names and started with RVS because no one is saying anything important, but so far, after reading ALL ISOs, GIF is very scummy and I don't like him right now. Why would you hold out information that could be useful to everyone on seeing how to end the day?

Choofers wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

If I wanted to elaborate now I already would have done so.

okay let me be more explicit since holding out on supposed information is inherently scummy: why was your vote non-rvs? do you have a gut read on pieguy this early on in the game? are you fishing for reactions?

GIF, elaborate or you have all of my suspicion.
WIFOM, WIFOM, WIFOM!

rEdo wrote:

Looks like a good start. Hika, why do you think GIF voted pieguy?

Why do you ask me? I think it was because pieguy voted himself. Simple as that, no further explanation needed. I would vote for him too but can I have everyone's stance first?

Frostings wrote:

Why is the question directed to Hika, of all people as well

Why not ask GIF directly if he has any reason to retain his vote on pieguy other than trolling in RVS which is ubiquitous in all mafia games

I agree, why ask me? But I as I stated after the above quote to rEdo, I think it's because he voted himself. I would do the same thing if I was here to SEE him do it in action because that is super duper scummy. I wouldn't do that at all.

pieguy1372 wrote:

my issue with rEdo is that, despite listing off all the stuff that happened, he didn't take any kind of stance on any of it.

the point about Hika trying to "counterwagon" me is meh. it feels like an odd thing to focus on in early game. I'd like to know what he thinks knowing this would tell him about Hika's alignment.

I don't want random hammer without my point and my questions being answered and said. That is all. I am afraid that someone may make a mistake if they're not paying attention. I am speaking of past games but I just want everyone to know that if someone is about to be HAMMERED, let them make a defense statement. That should be obvious, but just saying so far.

Sure, it's an odd thing to focus on in early game but I want to know everyone's stance on each other after my questions are answered.

@rEdo, Choofers, DD: Stance on everyone thus far? I know it may be RVS so far but please take into consideration ISOs.
@GIF: Read above, why did you vote pieguy and say it was non-RVS when his ONLY action was voting himself. Do you think this is scummy as well?

P.S - Also I want to hear from NH when he gets back. o/

I am here for another 30 minutes to an hour if anyone would like to ask me questions.

Nooo my perfect pagetop ;A;

I took it because I deserve it :u
I love you all the same <3

Hika wrote:

Personally, I think that self-voting does not prove to be an appropriate strategy because I see it as diverting attention from yourself in the manner that if you do it, no one will be willing to vote for you in the 50/50 chance that you are either scum or town. So I prefer it if none of you guys self vote and use it as an explanation for "scum hunting" because there is more town than scum. At least I hope so. I need to reread the rules a few more times again.

you're missing the point

DD was saying that me "self-voting" is no better than what rEdo did (not scum hunting). which is dumb because in no way does me self-voting stop me from scum hunting - it's pretty clear that I have reads and think at least one person (rEdo) is scum. rEdo, on the other hand, doesn't; the only thing he's done has been asking you about GIF's vote on me. yet he either missed or just ignored what my point here actually was.

the self-vote was done, btw, because I had no idea how to move the game forward and thought someone might do something interesting if I wagoned myself. there's no "diverting attention from myself" about it, and you have a very one-dimensional view of things if you think there is

Hika wrote:

Sure, it's an odd thing to focus on in early game but I want to know everyone's stance on each other after my questions are answered.

this was referring to what rEdo was saying, not anything you did

Hika wrote:

Why do you ask me? I think it was because pieguy voted himself. Simple as that, no further explanation needed. I would vote for him too but can I have everyone's stance first?

why do you need everyone's stance before voting me?

if it's "not wanting a hammer to happen", I think it's misguided at this point in the game since I only have I think 2 votes.

I reread again and I am just blind. After Sakura posted vote count on this page I actually LOOKED at the vote count.

Will post again after sleep, good night o/

self-voting is usually not too alignment indicative, as it's used by lackluster players to "generate discussion" regardless of alignment, and it's used by experienced players to perform gambits or to end a day early in order to keep the town from discussing things

I don't have super strong reads on anyone at the moment, although I will say that it looks like Hika's playing from a town mindset; I don't think scum generally wants to lead in a game like this

I'm working on homework and another game on a different site with shorter day phases, I'll put in some extreme work when we hit night phase over there

Trying to sift through ISOs with a barely working net is not a fun time I tell you what

fartownik wrote:

Frostings gets + townpoints from me, the concern seemed genuine enough to convince me. On the other hand, Dake's super-new and innovative opinion that revealing our colors is not beneficial for town seems like a filler-post.

It's funny because Frostings wrote that in the first place, not Dake

And what "concern" are you even talking about? He asked the mod 3 questions: First was if multiple scum can be in a neighbourhood which is totally in the opening post if he had read harder

Sakura wrote:

Differences:
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- It's possible that all the mafia team is in the same neighborhood, they'll be completely randomized.
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While the second and third questions are run-of-the-mill and could be asked by anyone, there's nothing substantial there

And the whole choof thing is pretty contradictory. His accusation of choof of bussing GIF implies he thinks GIF is scum yet doesn't question any further on GIF's vote after saying the last paragraph in this post, and instead turns around to attack choof for asking further. Completely drops the accusation when choof asks him for any read/evidence as to why he's accusing choof of bussing.

And then his closing statement after getting absolutely nowhere from the accusation is a fluff joke post about NH (if anyone is still wooshing, the joke is NH is V/LA and most likely hasn't said shit anywhere)

Jinxy wrote:

And what "concern" are you even talking about? He asked the mod 3 questions: First was if multiple scum can be in a neighbourhood which is totally in the opening post if he had read harder

Frostings wrote:

Having neighbor chat is more useful to town than scum, but knowing who's in which color team seems a bit useless as a townie, as far as I'm concerned

I agree on not revealing our neighborhood color, imo it's useless for town if any neighborhood can have more than one scum.

First, thanks Hika and JInxy for posting. Took my time to reread.

pieguy, Self-voting as a way to move people and generate discussion is valid, but does it help you to scumhunt? Did you get the expected reactions? Who is scum for you? Why? I'd like to read this from you. I think rEdo making a single question is more useful to catch other people and maybe pressuring him. That's why I said your selfvoting wasn't better.

And this same question goes for GIF, I think it's time for you to explain your vote on pieguy.

Choofers not knowing about the neighbourhoods couldn't be considered a "townslip", even scum would have missed it if they didn't have chance to talk during pregame. The ignorance about that seemed legit tho. Regardless of this, he's been pretty townie, though his lack of reads disturbs me a bit, but I can't blame him. I'd like to know his opinion about GIF and pieguy, at least.

lol Frostings saying Choofers is busing GIF XD

And as a final point, I'd not be surprised if Nyquill is scum at this point. Call it gut.

bla

These debates on who's strategy works or does not work NEVER gets us anywhere.

But pieguy is a strong townread for that same reason, he's done a significant amount of follow up without specifically bringing attention to shenanigans.

Choofers, can you answer your own RQ. I'm assuming you've played outside the board so I'm curious.





In the mean time, since I seem to be at odd hours with literally everyone else, I'm going to leave some stuff for when people log on later:
Dake, how do you feel about frostings specifically?
Farto: I'm assuming that you dismissing the idea that Dake's idea that revealing neighborhoods as a filler post means that you disagree with it. How will it benefit us?

pieguy1372 wrote:

my issue with rEdo is that, despite listing off all the stuff that happened, he didn't take any kind of stance on any of it. the point about Hika trying to "counterwagon" me is meh. it feels like an odd thing to focus on in early game. I'd like to know what he thinks knowing this would tell him about Hika's alignment.

It was way too early to make a definite stance for me at that point, that's why I wanted to gather information first. I posted It would not help me yet, but that would be something good enough to base on, I believe.

Hika wrote:

Wagon was an accidental slip. 3 + 4 = 7, you can't split 7 in half and you most definitely split a person's vote in half, so 3 is getting a little closer to 4 which is a lot more than 3. My point is, wagon was a wrong choice of words, especially since I just glanced, saw names and started with RVS because no one is saying anything important, but so far, after reading ALL ISOs, GIF is very scummy and I don't like him right now. Why would you hold out information that could be useful to everyone on seeing how to end the day?

Take a closer look at his ISO, you'll find a clue in his exchange of words with Choofers. Also, I didn't ask why GIF's vote on pieguy was cast, but why it's currently active.

lol @ pieguy saying I have no stance about everything so far

To those who are concerned, I asked Hika because it seemed like she tried to CW pie, but apparently (?) she just wasn't paying attention to the topic when it just got real while posting. Either way, it was good to check how everybody reacts to that.

Reads so far:

Town-null:

1. GIF - I like the way he generated discussion, at this point I think he's lurking to fish information.
2. Choofers - seems pretty genuine in his last posts, however the hard townread people are giving him seems farfetched.
3. Frostings - as above, plus a bunch of his last posts were just speculation about the neighbourhood system in this game.

Null:

1. farto - hasn't really brought anything to the discussion except for posting his yet unjustified scumreads and a little bit of the setup speculation.
2. pieguy - not sure if I'm just paranoid but pieguy gives me really weird vibes, even though my gut tells me he's town.
3. Nyquill, Jinxy - gotta read a little more from these two before making a stance. All Jinxy did so far was reminding everyone the rules of the game from OP, while Nyquill just said pieguy is town.
4. Chamelo - is he even in this game
5. NH - he even isn't in this game

Scum-null:

1. Hika - leaning towards scum, hasn't really done anything but answered questions. Saying pieguy's self-voting is scummy seems bleh.
2. DD - some of his posts don't really add anything to the discussion, townreading Choofers as an easy way to fake reads (this is at least what I deduced so far).

@fartownik: Please explain your scumreads, on DD especially.
@Hika: Thoughts on pieguy and DD so far?
@mod: If in range, prod Chamelo please.

pieguy1372 wrote:

the self-vote was done, btw, because I had no idea how to move the game forward and thought someone might do something interesting if I wagoned myself

I'd say there are so many ways to move the game forward without misleading the game like GIF ending RVS unless you're scum trying to get some towncred by self-voting.

I still don't get Hika's counterwagon on Dake because c'mon, you don't want anyone to accidentally hammer pieguy but instead building up another chance for Dake to be hammered, though it's less likely happen but still, you can just not vote and FoS him.

Call me a slowpoke because I really need to get my brain filled with more analysis and English skill. .-.

@JInxy: was my sarcasm really not obvious enough? Dake's post was a filler-post, trying to easily catch up to a seemingly pointless discussion.

Chamelo just did the same thing btw, a few posts above. Not sure if it's him playing a really bad game again or just scum.

Dake didn't address me at all in his post. Weird.

@Nyquill: damn that sentence is so oddly formulated. But again, I don't disagree with it. I was just sarcastic, isn't that frickin obvious enough? D:

Choofers wrote:

I don't have super strong reads on anyone at the moment, although I will say that it looks like Hika's playing from a town mindset; I don't think scum generally wants to lead in a game like this

Hello scumpoints. What Hika did was nowhere close to leading anything so I have no idea what you're talking about. Seems like you're trying to share some of your own towncred with her. Bad idea my friend.

I have a question for everyone: did any more of you not fully understand this post of mine? Part about Dake